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2:37 AM
Feature change: "deleted recent questions" now shows posts deleted in the last 60 days, and is no longer limited to questions asked in the last 60 days.
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@dbc Those questions are actually "Needs detail or clarity". See meta.stackexchange.com/a/13684/377214
 
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@gparyani Not necessarily, see the linked meta discussion How do I deal with non-English content?: Questions written in non-English should be closed/flagged as "Needs more details or clarity," or close voters can use the following custom close reason: "I'm voting to close this question because it is not English."
 
@gparyani No, "off topic" is a valid close reason for questions not written in English. Stack Overflow requires posts to be written in English.
I personally prefer this close reason because it is more descriptive.
 
dbc
We've had this discussion here before; some of us prefer the more explicit close reason while some prefer the more generic "Needs detail or clarity". I fall into the "more explicit" camp, as does Cody Gray apparently.
 
2:58 AM
Is it okay to "morph" a question without answer? The edit changes the question not just completes or clarifies
 
@Vega If you're salvaging a question that would otherwise need to be closed, and it hasn't been answered, I'd say yes.
 
3:18 AM
Thank you, @CodyGray. The OP is the editor. One of the questions is closed as off-topic, and the edit could make it a duplicate. The second question was off-topic, but not closed. In both cases the subjects are totally changed.
 
@Vega In general, the guidance has been that the OP can change the question completely, if the question is not answered. If it is answered, they are not permitted to invalidate answers (with some minor exceptions where the answerer completely misunderstood the question, or with mutual agreement with all answerers). However, I don't have a Meta post at the tip of my fingers. :-)
 
I also endorse the exception that I cited: when you otherwise would have no choice but to close the question. If your edit can salvage and otherwise-hopeless question, then I think you are doing the asker (and, indeed, the whole site) a favor and that is in keeping with their intent.
But yes, aside from that, I completely agree with what Makyen cited. No Meta post needed.
@Vega I don't see the point in editing an off-topic question to turn it into a duplicate. That seems like a waste of your time.
 
3:33 AM
:48498235, @CodyGray Thank you very much
 
I also wouldn't totally change the subjects. It might be me reading too much into word choice (I tend to do that), but you do want to stick to the same tags and the same general subject matter.
Like, don't turn a Python question into a Ruby question. That's a bridge too far.
 
@CodyGray I guess, because, they didn't know that it would be a duplicate
 
You can still link the other question in the comments, if you think it would be helpful.
"Recommending a library to foo bars is off-topic for Stack Overflow, but see <here> for a better way that avoids the need to ever foo your bars."
 
3:59 AM
@CodyGray Yeah, the MSE post was written back when the close reason was "unclear what you're asking", and was simply updated to the new close reason name.
 
I've been using "off topic" for questions not written in English since time immemorial, so definitely when the reason was "unclear what you're asking".
I cannot make an assessment of whether or not what is being asked is clear, since I don't speak the language in which it is asked.
 
4:48 AM
Thank you @Makyen :)
 
np. :-)
 
5:08 AM
I also agree with the additional exception which Cody Gray mentioned. If you can salvage an on-topic question, without invalidating answers, then please edit. It's much better to have an on-topic question which people get benefit from than to have an off-topic question which ends up closed and, eventually, deleted.
In some very rare situations, with the participation of a moderator, there have been some old questions with one or two exceptional answers, and several/many poor quality answers, which have had the question edited to to make it on-topic and keep the good quality/exceptional answers while the low quality answers were invalidated by the edit and deleted. Such should only be done with the participation of a moderator, who can adjudicate and immediately delete the low quality answers.
The ones of those which I have seen have typically been "how to do X or where do I find a resource that can do X" questions where one or two people answered the "how to do X" portion, and answered it well, while there are other answers which are, at best, borderline NAA similar to "you could foo the bar, but look over [here] for a solution/library".
Obviously, if it's a new questions with no answers, then it's normal to just edit out the "where do I find a resource that can do X" portion prior to someone placing an answer just addressing that portion of the question.
 
Now, if only someone knew where to find a good moderator.
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:-)
 
5:30 AM
Fire Alarm enabled. Spam deletion started.
 
5:43 AM
@Makyen Thank you again for the clarifications :) All in all, the both questions are more on-topic (one is already closed and has a casted delete vote). At second thought, the OP is possibly question banned and tries to post new questions by morphing the old ones
Both questions need to be improved. I will leave comments on them
 
@Vega np. :) What you're doing sounds like the way to go. It's not that unusual for users to try to completely change old questions into new ones when they get a question ban. It's unfortunate that so many people choose to not learn what's necessary for asking a question. Admittedly, asking a good question isn't easy, but asking a not-bad question isn't all that difficult.
 
If you're seeing people who are radically changing their questions in an apparent attempt to evade a question ban, that might be worth a moderator flag (in addition to the rollback).
 
6:00 AM
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere It's unclear what you're saying. There's a bot called FireAlarm, which doesn't appear has been active in quite some time. Is this statement in reference to that bot? I'm going to assume that it's not and that it's just a humorous statement in reference to the SmokeDetector report which was posted just prior to your message.
 
 
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8:04 AM
@Makyen carefully trying not to offend anyone?
 
@rene A bit. I initially thought that it was someone who was going to run FireAlarm. It looked like I might need to mention that running a bot in the room needs to be approved by the ROs (we've had a prior problem with someone doing that with FireAlarm). But, after some investigation, I realized that it was more likely it was just an attempt a humor based on SmokeDetector.
 
For lame humor contact me, I'm an expert on it.
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:-)
I'm sure we all have times when what we say/type sounds much funnier to ourself than to others, or when it sounded much funnier when we were thinking about it than when we said it, or typed it.
 
8:26 AM
What's RO?
 
Rob
Room owner
 
@Rob Thank you
 
@Makyen oh, sure. You don't know how much fun I have about all the jokes I didn't post ... I was about to make one to a mod, but I prefer my non-suspended state.
 
@rene :-)
 
9:11 AM
Am I right to assume that the "Very Low Quality" goes away when a Question has an UpVote?
 
sounds reasonable
 
Positive score* IIRC, not upvote
 
@NickA Can a question have a positive score without anyone upvoting it?
 
@Scratte no, but it can have a negative score if it also has downvotes
 
@Scratte No, but it can have a non-positive score with people upvoting it
 
9:22 AM
@NickA Thanks. I hadn't thought of that. Silly, since I'm pretty sure some of my zero score posts are just -1+1.
 
 
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12:51 PM
How can a user with 1 reputation that's "Member since today" have a Custodian badge?
 
@Scratte that's a single review, right? Approving an edit on one's own post gives you that.
 
What the pink elephant says
 
@rene Haroomphs loudly
 
Ohh.. ok. I thought they needed to do a review on one of the queues. Like the Triage
 
@Scratte you need to do any "review" and approving an edit (anywhere) is a review. You might be able to get it as well by approving the duplicate suggestion on your own post, which might count as a close review
 
12:57 PM
@Adriaan Maybe I need to post a question to understand the workings of approving an edit to ones own post :) I guess no one edited any of my answers that I needed to approve.
 
1:15 PM
Is a "How do create a hello world program in C?" Question a "Needs details or clarity" or "Needs more focus"?
 
Morning
@Scratte Depends. Is the question literally, "How do I write a hello world program?"
 
@NathanOliver It's hypothetical, so yes. Any variant of complete lack of research.
 
I'd go with "Needs details or clarity" as it's unclear why a google search didn't give them a billion results.
 
@NathanOliver Nice one :) But then I guess either is acceptable flags.
 
Yeah
 
1:27 PM
Is there an example of a non-answerable question? I'm not very inventive with those kind of things
 
@Scratte Anything that lacks a MRE is non-answerable
 
@NathanOliver No, I meant the question in a Question that's otherwise ok.
 
I've seen a few times in language-lawyer questions where the answer is that the behavior is ambiguous due to a defect in the language and the only way to really know is to file a defect report and get the language fixed. Would that count?
 
Only if it's a question :)
Maybe: How can I do this in a if-statement, without using conditional statement?
 
1:46 PM
@Scratte That has an answer: You can't.
 
@NathanOliver: I'm still searching.. The thing is that most of those types of questions are yes or no questions, where neither applies (sort of what I understood your language-lawyer question was going)
 
@Scratte many of the close reasons exist precisely because they shield us from questions which lack a well-defined, objectively correct answer -- opinion-based (obviously you can't say what's correct without knowing the asker's opinion), too broad or unclear (answers have to speculate on too many points to be both succinct and correct)
 
@Scratte In my tag there's plenty of unanswered questions. I often browse through them and down vote or VTC some, but a lot of them seem to be good on-topic questions, but no one has been able to provide an answer so far.
Sometimes, just nobody, even experts, know the answer.
 
@tripleee That makes sense. I might be trying too hard to fill in all the blanks of possible Question types.
@Dharman I think that might be different kinds of unanswerable. I'm thinking of strangely phrased questions where there just is noway to provide an answer.
 
@Scratte Yes, I have seen many of such questions too, but if you can't understand the question then it means you can close as unclear/needs more clarity.
 
1:59 PM
@tripleee But as I'm nearly done with it, I can't seem to let the missing pieces go.
 
@Scratte Generally when closing many reasons apply, so it is up to you to chose the one, which would explain to the OP the best why the question was closed. If the reasons can't explain why you are closing the question, then you also have an option of posting a comment.
The only difference for the curators in the reasons is that when you select "duplicate" the system is less likely to delete it on its own.
 
@Dharman That makes sense. I've seen better answers in duplicates than in the linked Question.
 
@Scratte If you see this and the question is an exact duplicate, you can try asking mods for merger.
 
@Dharman won't that be a hazzle for them? What if it's just a variation of the same Question?
 
@Scratte You have to weigh the benefits. If you think that the duplicate question is better as its own question and only linked to the other posts, then there's no reason to merge, but if that question receives little veiws or if the question is poor quality, but answers are good then it might be worthwhile to merge. Merging is rare, so it only happens when there are good reasons to save the content and merge posts.
 
2:19 PM
@Dharman As an example: If I know nothing about a new subject or sub-subject of something, then I comprise a list of posts to read. Often, I find the low quality answers most useful in the beginning and very often the variations of the different questions give an edge so I can better sort it out in my head. The more knowledge I gain, the more able I am to understand the good answers.
So for me personally, I'd prefer to keep the duplicates and also the low scoring answers (negative answers: Not so much. They just confuse me)
 
2:46 PM
@klutt Please use the offical reasons. "It does not work" is not an official reason.
 
@NathanOliver Ok, sorry. Thought it was obvious that I meant "Needs detail" since " 'it does not work' is not a problem desciption" is such a well known phrase. And its to late for to edit. Should I repost?
 
@klutt That would be great if you could. I'll bin the old one for you once you do
 
@NathanOliver Oh, it got closed. Nvm
 
@zero298 Another time, particularly for duplicate closure, it's helpful if you edit in the primary language tag. That way, the question can be closed as a duplicate by anyone with a gold badge in the language. The primary language tag is the tag which it's most likely someone has a gold badge in (i.e. it's more likely someone has a gold badge in JavaScript than that they have a gold badge in node.js or jQuery). It's not as important as is was when closure required 5 votes, but it still helps. :)
 
@Makyen I was unaware of a "primary language tag". Is that the "first" tag? If a question was tagged ["html", "js", "css"] would only a gold badge holder of "html" be able to close it? Or am I misunderstanding your comment?
Oh, I see, the question wasn't tagged JS and it should have been. I understand, otherwise we would need a gold badge holder of node.js. Got it.
 
@zero298 Yep; that; thanks. A gold badge holder in any of the question's tags can close.
 
Does anyone know if this question may be a roomba trigger victim? I got a downvote on my answer yesterday which triggered roomba today. But it's not impossible that it was a revenge downvote on a lucky post.
 
@AndrasDeak q deleted^ :)
 
3:59 PM
Yes, 10k only, sorry.
Both my answer and another one went from +1 to 0 15 hours ago, enabling roomba
 
@AndrasDeak what do you mean by roomba trigger victim?
 
@AndrasDeak ah the ol' 10k elitism eh? :p no worries :)
 
ah
 
I know that since ^ that ominous incident this is not really in practice, but still
 
4:01 PM
well I think it seems clear that the downvote is what triggered deletion
 
Yeah, originally I didn't think to check the other answer. Now that I noticed the downvote it's pretty clear
I stepped on a few toes the previous day so it could've also been a late revenge downvote :) But probably not.
 
the timeline shows the last downvotes were on Dec 2nd though
 
Hmm? On the question, you mean, right?
roomba was hindered by the two +1 answers
 
Yes but I assumed the question timeline page would show downvotes on answers as well since it shows other information (including score) about the answers
 
nope
 
4:04 PM
I see now that it does not, which is rather annoying
 
yup :) Also that the default is "hide vote summaries" :/
 
Yeah, that's annoying too
so both answers were simultaneously downvoted 16 hrs ago
triggering deletion 3 hours later by Roomba
 
yep
So that worked nicely
 
hard to say if it was intended to get it deleted, though.
it would take a mod or CM to know more I think
 
@TylerH I bet. Both the other answerer and I have newer answers for revenge.
Anyway I see that the question ID isn't anywhere on chat.SO, which answers my question that nobody can know anything about it. Thanks :)
 
4:12 PM
@AndrasDeak It wasn't me. I had to check, because I do down vote often and the result is that roomba is following me everywhere I go.
If you think that value was lost by getting rid of this question, you can raise it on Meta or via mod-flag.
 
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@AndrasDeak Recently I had this discussion with Cody. There I argued that an answer which was addressing the problem and was in good shape and quality has gotten downvotes; the counter-argument was that users can downvote if they feel you are answering to low-quality posts (just a gist of it, Cody tends to write these awesome explanations). It's not the same here though. It's obvious, to me, that they wanted to trigger roomba. But one can bring up the reason I just mentioned and try to get away.
Saying that it didn't show up anywhere in the chat, doesn't tell me much. One can stumble upon a question, see that it's off-topic, etc. Downvote answers as they believe answering low-quality questions adversely affects quality of the site. Again, I don't believe it's the case here; but unlike @Dharman I don't think flagging would do much.
 
To me it doesn't look like the Q/A was very useful. Someone might have voted based on that fact alone.
 
@Dharman Nah, it's not a huge loss. But the downvotes on the answers were not merited, strictly speaking.
@M-- a key component is that most people are oblivious to the existence, and especially exact behaviour of roomba
 
@AndrasDeak Some folks downvote answers punitively; e.g. if the question is off-topic or shouldn't have been answered (e.g. a close-worthy Q in this case), they will downvote the answers to signal to the answerer "you shouldn't have answered this"
it's much less common though because answer downvotes cost reputation
 
I know, I do that too in egregious cases (i.e quite often). But the question had been dormant for two months.
 
4:17 PM
@TylerH Not if it gets deleted by roomba
@AndrasDeak The age doesn't matter. I go through decade old questions every day. I seek gems and downvote pyrite.
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weird hobby
Does that also include decade old closed posts?
 
@Dharman Yes but how roomba works is not exactly a well-known thing
There are a lot more people who downvote answers than who understand how roomba works, or even who know it's a thing
and of those who know how it works, I'm sure only a vanishingly small number of people would downvote to delete especially after Shog's response a couple years ago.
of course, that percentage will likely rise as time goes on and more people get the ability/become active who haven't seen the thread
 
I doubt that we're on an upward trend of people moderating main
 
I don't tend to down vote answers just to let roomba delete question, unless the answers are not useful themselves, In which case I am really happy to vote and let roomba eat.
 
@Dharman hey now, pyrite is a worthwhile mineral in its own right
 
4:25 PM
@Dharman Wouldn't you be looking for gold and downvoting pyrite then?
 
@Das_Geek yeah makes sense, but keep in mind English is not my native language. I barely know any English.
 
Ah, your first language was PHP. Sorry, I should have accounted for that
 
You could in fact have gemstone-quality pyrite but it's not common
 
@Dharman You could have fooled me for not having English as your native language, and I could rival Cody with how persnickety I can get with wording.
@TylerH Cool, TIL
 
I sometimes downvote punitively, especially whenever the question being answered has been asked a dozen or so times and likely has a whole other duplicate on the front-page at any given time. I get even more frustrated when the canonical for the same question shows up in the related section. I wish that there were incentives to close as duplicates, but there aren't. It's actually much better for you to answer a question, no matter how duplicated it is, even if it just adds more sand.
 
4:33 PM
@TylerH I didn't know you could call metals gemstones. Or is it just concerning the quality?
 
@Das_Geek For real, I only started learning English at the age of 13.
 
@AndrasDeak a gemstone is just (typically) a cut and polished mineral
some gemstones are not minerals, though
sometimes rocks are gemstones (opal is the most interesting I think), and some organic stuff like pearls are classified as gemstones as well
A ruby for example, is just gemstone-quality corundum (a mineral) that is red/pink. Other colors of corundum that are gemstone-quality are called sapphires
 
@zero298 It's not very effective. If I answer and one person down votes me I would edit the answer to make it better. Unless you convince me that I have done wrong by answering then one downvote is not going to teach me a lesson.
A different thing is when someone answers off-topic questions.
 
@zero298 The difficulty is in finding a way to incentivize duplicate closure that wouldn't be abused. There's already a well-known issue with programmers getting frustrated by their Qs getting closed as duplicates where they don't agree or don't understand how it is a duplicate
If you incentivize closing Qs as duplicates, the risk of a lot more questions getting closed as duplicates when they probably ought'n't be is very real
 
4:48 PM
@TylerH I'm aware of that. But all the typical ones I know are insulators
 
@AndrasDeak thermal conductivity is not relevant in determining whether something is considered a gemstone, though it is often used in quantifying the quality and other properties of something that is already considered a gemstone
the entire concept of classifying something as a gemstone, gemology, is kind of an... ephemeral "science". That step is based on market forces rather than actual hard science
 
@TylerH I think they meant electrical insulators
As opposed to something like iron pyrite, which would be a conductive material (probably)
Oh wow, the conductivity of pyrite is actually an interesting subject
 
@TylerH what Das_Geek said
@Das_Geek I sort of just assumed it's metallic thanks to its lustre. Might also be something weird, like a semi-metal or maybe even semi-conductor.
 
@Dharman Yes, it isn't very effective and since downvoting more often just seems to illicit sympathy upvotes it almost feels counter productive. However, I have no other mechanism to try and counter bad behavior.
@TylerH Yes, it's abusable, but so are most other mechanisms on this site. Would you rather trend towards sand or pearls? Could you have duplicate audits?
We only have sporks to fend off steam shovels with respect to sand. I don't know what else to do until I finally give up and leave.
 
I want to say that it's mostly that "gemstone -> transparent -> insulator", but there are things like opal that aren't transparent
 
4:59 PM
@AndrasDeak Yeah, fools gold is comprised of iron and sulfur. The iron definitely makes it metallic :)
 
I feel like my general IQ might be too low for this room xD If I'm not googling words that are in my native language, it's googling science-y jazz :)
 
@Das_Geek uh, no :P
 
at least I'm learning :)
 
corundum is Al2O3 and is very much an insulator
 
@AndrasDeak Ah, I was talking about fools gold
 
5:00 PM
and rock salt is NaCl, half of which is Na which is an excellent metal (when pure)
 
fools cold is so much better
 
Thanks Dharman :)
 
@Das_Geek me too. My point is that bulk behaviour of elements doesn't say anything about their physical behaviour in compounds.
but yet again I digress in this room
perhaps we can get back to programming with Ruby...
 
@AndrasDeak Oh yeah for sure. I took a few semiconductor classes in my day haha
 
I see my comment completely sidetracked the conversation in this room
 
5:02 PM
yeah, it's your fault
 
!!/blame
 
@Dharman It's John Dvorak's fault.
 
Nope!
 
Well to be fair, I could have just left things alone and not said anything about it :P
 
5:31 PM
@Das_Geek ah
well, in that case, the answer is still the same: it's not relevant for the classification
most are good electrical insulators but some very popular ones are not, like quartz and tourmaline
@AndrasDeak opal in general is very weird/interesting :-)
 
@TylerH I bet @Adriaan knows plenty of stuff in this subject :P
 
he digs it ...
 
hammertime
 
heh
morning all
 
6:08 PM
 
6:27 PM
@RiggsFolly A question you hammered is being discussed on meta
 
6:41 PM
@rene zing
@AndrasDeak most of what I know comes from dating a mineralogist
 
Did you often make "want some mineral water?" jokes?
 
oh much worse than that
 
Good :D
 
everyone dreads my puns
 
takes a long while to reach rock bottom with this subject
 
6:43 PM
hehe
 
Your SO must be stone cold to not laugh at your jokes
I'll, uh, see myself out
 
Why? Could be a gold mine of puns here.
 
Fair enough; I guess I'm taking all this for granite
 
 
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@Das_Geek oh, she does laugh, even if they're horrible. She is too gneiss to do anything else
 
8:03 PM
@TylerH best one so far lol
 
9:01 PM
Is "What should I name a file" opinion-based?
 
Maybe. Unless there is a common practice in the context that question is asked.
 
I don't do java. In general they have strong opinions and established practices they stick to.
 
True. It is. Coffee-breaks are needed to come up with names. I wouldn't ask it in a Question though.
If I was completely lost and wanted to know about common practice, I'd probably ask a search engine.
What about? "When will C# 7.3 come out and what do I need to change to use it?"
 
needs focus
 
9:16 PM
Oh. I thought that was a perfect candidate for opinion-based.
 
well, you can't answer "when will X come out". We are a programming Q/A site, not a fortune teller gimmick
 
@rene heh, although release dates are often announce publicly and are know in advance. It can be easily googled.
 
@rene I know I can't ask that. I just don't know what close reason to use :)
 
@Scratte Needs focus is ok to use, but if you were to use opinion based then it would be fine too. There can be many reasons to close a question.
 
There are even more reasons to not close a question.
 
9:25 PM
@Dharman Yes. That's the reason for my confusion :)
So are "Why doesn't Java support operator overloading?" and "What is the best design for my MySQL database?" opinion-based?
 
@Scratte Not really. The question is not usually comprised of a single sentence. There is much more to be taken into account. Close the question if you think it can't or should not be answered. Don't try to force fit a close reason to the content.
 
@gparyani that doesn't seem related to the topic of this room at all.
 
@Dharman I've seen some of the later of my examples with some text about what the database is supposed to do. I thought of them as strange questions, as I imagined everyone would have a different opinion on it.
 
@rene We just had a whole conversation about rocks today...
 
@Scratte Yes
 
9:34 PM
@Scratte Then cast your vote/flag. Remember other people need to agree too for it to be closed.
 
@Dharman sure. doesn't mean I prefer feeding random changes from MSE in this room. I prefer the rocks in that case
 
@Dharman It just adds to the confusion that the examples given on close choice on meta are all one-liners.
 
@Dharman I might support an upcoming agenda item on the next roommeeting: github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/room-meeting-topics/issues/… ;)
 
@TylerH Ok. Thanks :)
 
Heh, appears I made some petty person angry again...
 
9:39 PM
@TylerH Hey, it's not Wednesday yet!
They're about 2 hours too early
 
February has fewer days in it so sometimes revenge downvote day happens a bit early
it's always a right mess when people plan to have on the 29th of a non-leap year...
 
@TylerH I am still waiting for mine from yesterday to be reversed.
 
I've had one answer moved to a comment. I've also seen it recommended to do it to an answer for users that lacks rep to comment. Who can do that? I can't seem to be able to
 
@Scratte Only moderators.
 
@Dharman Thanks. I struggled with that for a while.
So what should I do if I see it?
 
9:49 PM
@Scratte If you see an answer of yours converted to a comment, take as a signal that whatever content you put in the answer isn't enough to make up a proper answer.
If you disagree strongly enough, you can ask about it on Meta
 
@TylerH I didn't disagree. I was at 20 reps at that point :) I'm just not sure that if I see that on someone elses answer that I should Flag for moderator attention. Maybe just not an answer is enough?
 
@Scratte yes
 
@Scratte Yes, flag as NAA if you think it doesn't qualify as an attempt at answering, though keep in mind that you shouldn't flag answers that are wrong, that are low quality, or that answer a completely different question as NAA, those will be declined.
NAA is for answers that consist of:
- nonsense/garbled content
- questions for the OP
- failed attempts by the OP to add info to their question
- answers that consist of nothing more than a link to some website, some other answer, etc.
You can flag such a post using the "needs moderator attention" reason, of course, but that's a bit like a nuke; it's only necessary if there's some very important information that moderators need to be aware of that wouldn't be conveyed by a simple NAA flag
 
@Das_Geek How is that new? We've always had those.
 
10:00 PM
Also:
- Thanks; I had the same problem.. That answer worked for me
- Non-English answers
- Answers to other NAAs
- Off-topic comments
 
Worth noting that some answers are automatically converted to comments by the system. That happens immediately after posting the answer. If it's done later, then it must be by a diamond moderator.
If we think there's something of value in an answer flagged as "NAA", we will convert it to a comment instead of outright deleting it. If you really want something to be converted to a comment and you're worried we might miss the value and delete it outright, then a custom flag is fine.
 
Thank you for those fine answers :)
 
Just to head off any potential confusion about a commonly-misunderstood topic... This is the official guidance on when to raise "not an answer" (NAA) flags.
 
@CodyGray They have different wording and a different appearance. They used to look like the old close notices
 
@Das_Geek Oh. But they're not blue!
 
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10:16 PM
@eyllanesc I just noticed that you asked for MRE on two separate questions (stackoverflow.com/questions/60064230/… and stackoverflow.com/questions/60040620/…) I'd rather suggest that you avoid posting "AGAIN, provide an MRE". I cannot say it's not nice, but one can't say it's nice either. Telling OP once and then (or after a while) casting a CV should be enough. Cheers.
 
10:28 PM
 
@M-- mmm, I think you have taken my comments out of context, obviously I have deleted some comments so as not to distract. My comments that you indicate have the objective of signaling to the OP that its edition is not an MRE, for example in one of the cases the OP having an initial code and when I requested the MRE the OP deleted code confusing that the MRE implies deleting code and clearly it is not, and in the other case the OP added unnecessary information.
 
@CodyGray I know. Terrible :P
 
odd SO UI bug: the question at stackoverflow.com/questions/60059429/… has a “show 1 more comment” hyperlink but when you click the link no comment is shown
 
@sideshowbarker That happens sometimes. It's a race condition. Reported multiple times on Meta; see e.g., here.
 
10:42 PM
I...don't know why that autogenerated "possible duplicate" comment from Quentin there was automatically deleted by Community. The question was never closed. I've undeleted it now.
 
multi hard-threading is
 
M--
10:55 PM
@eyllanesc right, I may have read them out of context. I would have said something along these lines (instead of again, provide an MRE): "You need to read the link I provided more carefully. Edits that you have made does not provide an MRE. We cannot provide guidance/solution without a minimal, complete, and verifiable example."
 
@CodyGray Thanks
 
@M-- I'd hazard a "yes": a broken build seems like a developer problem.
 
11:16 PM
@CodyGray You said this the other day "Can someone recommend a web framework for my next project?" Can I use it without citing you directly?
 
@Scratte You want to use that as an example of a question that is not suitable for Stack Overflow? Sure. You can use that with no credit needed.
 
@CodyGray It's such a great example :)
 
There are tons of great examples if you just park on the "new questions" page and refresh your browser....
 
I do that a lot. But then I find a Question and I go into answering it.. not very useful for my current project.
 
M--
11:39 PM
@ROs I just requested access to SOCVR Request Graveyard by mistake. Please disregard. cc: @TylerH
 
11:53 PM
@M-- np. We typically ignore such requests, which happen every once in a while. Although, without a note from you we'd normally wonder why it happened and mention that access isn't needed/normal. :-)
 

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