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2:28 AM
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Seems "off-site resource request", at least
 
 
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10:53 AM
Is there somewhere a meta question explaining an XY problem?
I can't find it
 
@kvantour this one
 
@shree, thanks
 
11:31 AM
I don't know why a flag that was approved can be changed to disputed later, but a wrongly declined flag cannot be changed :(
 
12:30 PM
@Vega that's not true (at least for red-flags) - see i.stack.imgur.com/9xDJO.png, the flag was originally declined
 
@double-beep thank you. I flagged a post as spam, it was helpful. Then it was changed to declined. The post is still marked as spam. I mod flagged to ask to correct, and that flag was declined too, but with apologies of the mod that I did the right thing. And I have two declined flags that I qualify wrongly :(
 
have you posted on meta?
@Vega did you flag this Smokey report?
 
@double-beep yes
Is there something special with that post?
@double-beep No, I am not very verbal for meta and that kind of stuff
 
1:17 PM
Morning
 
@Vega Any flag can be changed to disputed after the fact. You cannot change them to any other state, however
 
That is a good thing to know, thank you. But then I don't know why it could have not be changed to disputed or at least my mod flag on the that declined flag marked as helpful. This is not the first time :(
 
Does it really bother you so much? I get flags declined wrongly from time to time too, but it happens rarely and does not bother me.
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@Dharman you shouldn't ignore it either ...
 
People make mistakes. Mods are people too. If I flag as NAA and my flag gets declined but the post gets removed anyway, then the goal is achieved.
 
1:31 PM
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Q: Is anyone [tracking] how many tags have "DO NOT USE" in their usage guidance?

EJoshuaS - Reinstate MonicaThe tracking tag has the following description: DO NOT USE, since is considered too generic. Consider using a more specific tag such as [video-tracking] or [bug-tracking] instead. In addition to the two topics mentioned in the tag description, here are some examples of topics of questions t...

 
I can talk cats and kittens if it's better ;)
 
@Dharman Mods are people too. [citation-needed] ;)
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"on the internet nobody knows you're a dog"
 
Except Jon and Undo
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@Machavity VideoGameDunkey has somewhat tainted any connotation to Mario xD
 
2:26 PM
 
@Dharman If it's not then neither is the accepted answer, they say the same thing
If you meant the question instead of the answer, I'd say no, it's not programming related
 
I meant the question, sorry
 
thanks for the tag excerpt @Machavity
 
@SamuelLiew np
I like having the tag as well. Helps us find them later
 
3:20 PM
o/ happy revenge downvote wednesday all
 
3:45 PM
@TylerH I thought it was Serial Downvote Wednesday?
 
I thought it was Exploit Wednesday?
 
4:11 PM
@Vega I've also flagged the same post as spam and the flag got declined
 
@Das_Geek look, I can't be expected to remember things I said in the past, that's just ridiculous
 
@double-beep Then I can say you vicariously that "Apologies, that was human error. You did right flagging this as spam." :)
@tripleee Needs a small edit
 
4:31 PM
ugh
I closed Outlook in order to install Visio. I reopen Outlook and it has been updated to some worse version
I hate SaaS
 
@TylerH Pro tip: If you have a focused in box, you can go to view and click the show focused inbox button to get the old school inbox back
 
@NathanOliver Yeah, one of my coworkers had its monitoring alerts sent to the "Other" mailbox lol
 
lol
these are not the alerts you are looking for
 
@NathanOliver Luckily I have not used focused inbox ever
 
I used it for about 5 minutes before I realized what was going on and figured out how to turn it off. That was a bleak time in history
 
4:45 PM
@Machavity despite the confusing nature of the title, this question does indeed appear to be a burninate request for
 
4:57 PM
I need some help finding resources about programming while being tetraplegic
The person in question can only move two fingers and is in an electric wheelchair
I'm fairly certain some resources exist and I'm looking for some right now
Do any of you folks have any sort of experience or feedback or knowledge about such?
 
@Kyll They open sourced the tech that Hawkings used: wired.co.uk/article/stephen-hawking-intel-communication-system Might be able to help you out
 
@Kyll I'm assuming you've already covered stuff like stackoverflow.com/questions/2710537/…
 
5:13 PM
@TylerH Yep, but they're not a programmer, more of a student
I'm not sure if these tools are adapted
 
5:35 PM
@TylerH Ah, I missed that. Thanks
 
A less confusing title has been requested in the comments there as well
 
6:59 PM
Are we still allowed to use phrases like “nth duplicate,@ or is that considered commentary now?
 
For del-pls? It's what I do.
 
We're more permissive on delete requests. There's no actual delete reasons there so you really do have to supply your own
 
7:12 PM
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica One issue we've had is that people have included derogatory comments about the post or the user in their requests. Most of these are opinion and/or interpretation. Thus, we've asked that people stick to verifiable facts about the content of the post when going beyond the minimal reason info needed for a request. While some amount of opinion is inherent in making requests, we don't want readers of the request to feel that we're deriding the post or user.
 
7:58 PM
Ah, darn. Can a mod bin this request?
 
@TylerH @S.S.Anne binned per your request
 
@TylerH Thanks.
 
8:34 PM
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Please don’t. Instead, back up your claim by actually including links to those duplicates in the comments. That not only supports your claim, but provides value to others.
If you want to do it with delete requests, that’s OK with me, but there had better be n > 3 duplicates when I go look at the question, either linked in comments and/or added to the official dupe roster by a gold badge holder.
@Vega Two different mods, unfortunately. One declined your spam flag because they didn’t think it was spam. Then another mod spam-deleted it. That doesn’t change the state of a previously declined flag.
 
@CodyGray FWIW, nth dupe means this is the nth time this same question has been asked, not that there are n dupe targets
 
Where you went wrong was flagging again asking for an explanation. Mod flags aren’t suitable to discussions; we can’t really explain anything that way. That’s why your custom flag was declined. I recommend using Meta, or maybe chat (if I’m around here, I’m happy to discuss it with you)
@NathanOliver That’s the same thing, unless all the intermediate dudes have been already deleted.
 
@CodyGray But you still want those linked?
 
@CodyGray Other than mod flags, is the identity of the flagger visible to the reviewer? I would assume so, at least for mods, so flag trolling can be more easily seen
 
@Machavity Just to clarify, that only applies to “red” flags (spam and abusive). These can be retroactively changed to “disputed”. Mods can’t change the state of other types of flags, though.
@NathanOliver I’d say yes, otherwise why should I believe your assertion? Sometimes, “nth duplicate” gets abused to mean “dumb question”. Having an objective metric helps stave off that instinct. If it’s realy been asked that many times, it shouldn’t be difficult to find evidence of it.
@Das_Geek Not entirely sure what you’re asking there, considering the terminology. Moderators can always see the identity of the flagger. Reviewers don’t necessarily. But mods can look it up. I can see all flags raised by any user (same as you can see your own flag history, with pending and everything else).
Would be easier to answer if you asked about a specific type of flag or a specific view/queue.
 
8:47 PM
@CodyGray Why not believe? What have I done to make myself untrustworthy? As a SME I would expect I should have a higher degree of trust.
 
Flag “trolling” isn’t a big problem. If it really did happen, it would be quickly caught by having a gazillion declined flags with none accepted. The system would catch it without any mod needing to do anything. Honestly, we don’t pay much attention to the name of the flagger. It isn’t relevant.
 
@CodyGray I personally don't require this. In some cases, unfortunately, having multiple linked questions is inefficient because I prefer as much as possible to have all questions marked as duplicates of one (there's nothing I hate more than seeing a dupe target in the top banner whose title ends with [duplicate] itself). I like to use multiple dupe targets for cases when a question is partially duplicated by multiple different questions, where possible
 
@CodyGray Sorry, I just meant flags in general, not tied to any queue. I don't have access yet to any queue populated from flagged posts, so I don't know the interface at all
But what you wrote answered my question
 
A more common issue is someone using “spam” flags on very low quality questions. If we notice that pattern, we’ll try to reach out to the user to explain what spam flags are meant for here, and prevent any further misunderstandings and/or wastes of time.
 
Personally, if there's a case where I see a del-pls request with "nth duplicate" as the reason, and I can't tell for myself immediately, I simply refrain from voting to delete the post. We have that luxury much more than with close votes because delete votes don't expire.
Which reminds me, I need to go through my bookmark list of Qs to delete-vote for the day...
 
8:49 PM
@NathanOliver Hm, okay. For me, I don’t pay attention to the user name on...pretty much anything. So, I tend not to evaluate your subject matter expertise. Sorry :-)
I vastly prefer to be lazy and let the proposer do the legwork. The less thought I have to put in when handling flags, requests in here, or anything else, the better.
 
Well, we strive to obey the rules in here
 
@Machavity Hmm?
 
@CodyGray I guess that was too tangential to you and Nathan
 
I do love quirky humor, but that one went over my head
 
Same
 
8:58 PM
@Ruzihm There is some code there, so it’s not entirely clear what is lacking. In cases like this, could you please leave a comment clarifying exactly what the problem is with the MRE? This will make it more clear to the asker what exactly they should add/ change.
 
@CodyGray I have edited my comment to be more specific
 
@Ruzihm Thank you. It’s worth noting that you don’t need to include all that standard boilerplate in your comment, since it’ll appear as part of the close reason. The comment should focus on pointing out specifics, as applied to that particular question.
And when there’s no code at all, the problem becomes rather obvious, and a comment is altogether unnecessary.
 
@CodyGray I prefer to include that information because the close justification I choose is not always the same as what appears as the close reason.
 
@CodyGray We might agree if we had to handle 1000 flags a day from the community :-P
 
@TylerH Good news, soon you may be able to sign up for that, too
@Ruzihm Hmm… yeah, that’s unfortunate, but I suppose I understand. I just really prefer to avoid noisy comments that repeat what is already shown in close reasons. Not only are they redundant and need to be manually removed if/when the question gets edited, but also, if comments are too long and/or repetitive, it decreases the odds they’ll be read and understood.
 
9:05 PM
What is the flag-handling quota for mods? Is there a hard minimum or just general guidelines?
I know there's a "30 minutes a day" guideline, read somewhere I can't remember...
 
@Das_Geek No quota. We don’t really have a standard of duty, per se. The request is that you spend a half-hour per day. But some people’s schedules and efficiency considerations better accommodate bursts, where you clear nearly all flags of a particular type
Some mods handle zillions of flags per day, others don’t.
But then, there are other things mods do, other than handling flags. Like moderating chat, or moderating Meta.
 
@CodyGray No thanks, at this juncture anyway
 
@CodyGray Fair enough. I enjoy the flagging process, so I guess that's all I thought of for duties. That's all I'd want to do: chip away at the garbage pile
 
Talking about spam flags - I've noticed that I've been raising far fewer of these in recent days, and generally coming across far less spam. Has a new weapon been added to SO's awesome arsenal? (But probably can't talk about it, even if it is?)
 
@Das_Geek Everyone pretty much starts out that way, with the same motivation. Kind of an education by fire hose. But then folks tend to specialize and/or get a bit burnt out. It’s hard to imagine unless you’ve done it. “Normal” users are limited by the system for how much they can really do per day. Mods aren’t, and it can be pretty exhausting.
@AdrianMole No, nothing new. Charcoal is still doing awesome work, but that’s not new.
 
9:14 PM
Maybe just the January doldrums, then?
 
@CodyGray Yeah, that's fair. Like when I was maxing out all my review queues. Don't think I could do that every day for years, especially for some queues
 
Could be. Also, spammers have figured out how to spam CVs on Jobs, so maybe there’s been more attention there? Just speculating. Don’t have any numbers on any of this.
 
Yeah, I saw a spammer's CV earlier today with almost-unreadable text it was just copy-paste, but i wasn't sure how to report it
 
@Das_Geek Yeah, some flags are especially difficult and time-consuming to handle, like plagiarism. The NAA flags are relatively easy, although I make them take longer by checking up on more different things for each one.
 
Hmm. I've seen a couple of meta posts on this "New" CV (and developer story) spam. Tricky to handle, I guess, other than by folks manually reporting via Meta or custom-flagging the user.
 
9:17 PM
@Das_Geek No obvious way to report, especially since they almost certainly don’t have any SO posts. Just flag one of your own posts.
 
@CodyGray More things? Like what? I'd be interested, since I'm a heavy user of Natty over in SOBotics
 
@AdrianMole Right. Worse, there are some “issues” that allow the spam CVs to keep coming back, even after we nuke them. Definitely some abuse vectors there. Not much else that mods can do, except play whack-a-mole.
@Das_Geek I quickly check all the other posts by the flagged user. I also check the review history for the flagged post, and make sure everyone who saw it handled it appropriately. If not, I give out review bans. Not really things non-mods can do. Or should do.
 
@CodyGray Ah, I see. I thought you meant more things to check to validate a NAA
 
@Das_Geek No, that much is obvious. I prefer to go deeper.
Sam and I give out a lot of review bans. If you’re banned for something other than failing an audit, you probably have one of us to thank. In lieu of flowers, gifts can be sent here.
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I rather liked Aaron Hall all but demanding the CEO rehire Shog9
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9:26 PM
@Machavity Indeed, I found that quite inspiring, too!
 
@CodyGray rene was being welcoming. I guess I was too blurry there
 
I haven’t had a chance to read any of those responses yet. But that strikes me as a bit silly. If I were Shog, I don’t think I could come back now.
 
Ooh, that GFM has got to 10K USD already. Impressive
 
@halfer Time to update the script? I think the new close reasons are here to stay, unfortunately.
 
@CodyGray I'd be happy to - is that general room policy now?
 
9:34 PM
If I were him, I'd publicly throw my support behind Codeiact and drop the mic
 
@halfer Did you also notice his MSE answer is the all-time top-scoring post? The community has spoken.
@halfer I believe so, yes. I’ll let a RO give an official verdict.
@Machavity If only… it was something. Right now it’s just an idea, as far as I can tell
 
@CodyGray I did not, but fair enough - he certainly put the work in. I confess he was rather spiky with me many years ago, and I have held a poor view of him ever since. Time to put him in my Review Queue, perhaps!
 
@CodyGray Well, one does not merely write another Stack Overflow
 
I think I maybe need to detune my Grudge Module :=)
 
@halfer Hmm. Spikier than me? Hard to believe.
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9:37 PM
hehe
 
@halfer we prefer you to use the new ones if you remember (and if you're using a custom script, it should be an easy one-time change), though we won't bin your requests for using old reasons.
Though I'm guessing you're probably using a script written by someone else
 
With glasses come sharp edges
 
With great glasses, comes great responsibility to pay for them
 
@TylerH I guess I could just look myself, but do you have a link to a script that does the formatting for cv-pls requests?
 
@TylerH No worries, I will use the new reasons - I am still typing them manually, and I have to squint at the new ones and translate them using my tired old brain :=)
 
9:41 PM
@AdrianMole Off the top of my head, no. One sec
 
@halfer Sounds like me. Manual for the win. Good news is, they’re still in the same order.
 
@CodyGray I only have room for five ongoing grudges, and four of them are taken up with troublemakers on the main site ;-)
 
@AdrianMole See this page on our website for tools (including Userscripts) socvr.org/tools/userscripts
 
@halfer So the new reasons are all Unclear? :P
 
@halfer Heh, a cv-pls generator is one userscript I don't use either, actually
 
9:42 PM
Makyen has a script. Not sure if that’s the same as the “official” one or not.
 
@Machavity Not only are the reasons all Unclear, but when I am tired, they're pretty blurry too.
 
@halfer I’ve never been one to hold grudges. It’s not productive, really, and my memory is too bad anyway.
 
@CodyGray It's a good policy to have, though I suspect - like anger or jealousy - we don't have as much free will as we think we do. Emotions happen to us, and it takes some practice to master them.
 
I take people to task when I disagree with them. I appreciate people doing the same with me. Honesty and frankness are key. Holding grudges is incompatible with that.
Remembering that we’re all here for the same reasons makes it easy.
 
@TylerH Thanks - the *-pls script now seems to running on my PC. I'll go look for something to test it with...
Ha! It works.
 
9:50 PM
hahahahahahahaha zdnet.com/article/…
As if MSFT didn't learn their antitrust lesson enough with IE and XP/7
 
While we’re on the topic of the script, I’d like to suggest that the user’s name be delinked, or perhaps even removed altogether. We don’t want to encourage people reviewing requests to go focusing on the user, so linking the user account is counter-productive. It also makes it harder to click the post link on mobile, at least for people like me. (cc @Makyen)
 
@CodyGray If possible you should make a request on GitHub for a change to a userscript, so it won't get lost in the mires of chat
 
@TylerH Wow
@TylerH OK, didn’t have a link handy to the script itself. Will try to do...at some point.
 
"The only situation where the extension won't be installed is if Bing is already the default search engine in Chrome." Or if organizations have a whitelist enforced for Chrome deployed via GPOs.
 
It’s interesting that they’re targeting Chrome specifically. What about everyone who uses Firefox because Chrome is user-hostile? Or the people who use Edge (which is now Chrome)—hah.
 
10:03 PM
I'm in a sweet spot that I know will probably get sucked up eventually; we used to only support IE in the environment, then we moved to Windows 10 and so we sorta support Edge because we can't easily get rid of it and we shouldn't be using IE anyway.
Then we moved our timekeeping/HRIS solution to ADP and apparently that "requires" Chrome (bs) so now we have to have Chrome on everyone's computers.
OK, I had it already, but whatever. I use Firefox exclusively, and there are no restrictions on that yet, but some folks I've talked to in our IT infrastructure teams are like "yeahhh that's going away" eventually
so when it does, I'm going away, too, or I'm modifying my local group policy to allow it (however they try to restrict it)
 
Why would any IT organization want to prevent use of Firefox?
 
because it's an additional unnecessary browser to manage in an environment
 
If you can’t develop sites that render properly on both Mozilla and Blink simultaneously, then you need to hand in your web developer badge.
 
if our security team had their way everything would just run off of whitelists
 
It doesn’t need to be “managed”.
 
10:07 PM
sure it does; you need to be able to control what extensions people are allowed to install, what browser is set for things to open up in when there are hyperlinks within desktop applications, etc.
you need to support helpdesk calls for people who get confused because they can't access their "favorites" in Firefox (because they're called bookmarks there)
note I'm using the term "need" here sarcastically. If it were my choice I would have Firefox and Chrome installed on every machine and just let people choose
Hell I might even install Brave as well
(it makes a bit of a difference but I work for a hospital system, where there actually are some fairly stringent concerns regarding data governance and access to things)
And I know I should be thankful because we are blisteringly modern as far as hospital systems go. Our ecosystem is running Windows 10, not Windows XP or even 7, Office 365, not Office 2003, etc.
 
Wow, yeah, that is surprisingly modern. Almost sounds suspicious.
 
Were in the process of updating our last windows 7 machines. I think we have like 10 left. We still have a vista machine, and a NT4.0 machine, but those don't have network access.
(not a hospital though, but manufacturing plant)
 
10:22 PM
Great, I found yet another tag to watch
 
I have at least two government/military contracts that require computers to use Windows 7. It’s become a pain, since Windows 7 is no longer available for sale or downgrade.
Not to mention new machines don’t come with drivers for Windows 7
 
@CodyGray I can sell you some Win7 DVDs ;)
I'm surprised Win7 is a requirement; as far as I know, all our computers are Win10, even the ones "inside"
And the real computers have Linux
 
You laugh, but… we recently bought one off eBay
 
@NathanOliver our desktop team was pretty proactive luckily. They have made rounds each week for the past five weeks just to make sure there aren't any lingering W7 machines that have been sitting/hiding powered off or where our lansweeper service account doesn't have scanning permissions to detect it
 
The “real” computers. Heh. Yeah, as long as it’s not something you call a computer, the “requirements” don’t apply. All our embedded systems run Linux.
 
10:27 PM
I'm really surprised at that. There are strict regulations for how things have to be sourced. Making sure you're getting things from proper distributors is one of them. Can't see how requiring Win7 and buying things off eBay are at all compatible
 
@TylerH Must be nice to have an actual IT department who can do these sorts of things.
 
they made their last sweep of all locations today. I was down there this morning and I think they found like 3 machines total (inspecting all ~3500 workstation locations)
 
@Das_Geek I don't know if there are sourcing requirements, but apparently they do not flow down to us. I insisted that the client needed to provide us with the Win 7 license, since obviously they must be paying for an extended support contract. But they refused/plead ignorance.
 
@TylerH That's cool. We actually have a list, it's just finding the time when we can upgrade the machine that's the pain.
 
@CodyGray yeah we are pretty blessed. We have like 65 or 70 people in our IT department, not including the EHR team (we use Epic) which is another 40-50 people (though that's a relatively recent change as of ~2019 when we migrated from Meditech)
 
10:28 PM
@CodyGray Well by real computers I mean the development computers. HR and light desktop-type computers are usually just Win10
 
We have a desktop team, a server team, a telecom team, a datacom/networking team, a security team, etc. each with 3-6 people in them. I'm in an engineering/development team
which of course is the best team to be on
 
How big is the organization, @TylerH?
 
~3500 employees I think
we have 5 or 6 hospitals, including a mental/behavioral health facility
 
And I though when I started my new job and there was already one IT person in the company that that was a big improvement ;)
 
@CodyGray Hm, well if there are no rules for how things must be sourced...maybe I do have some Win7 stuff for you :P
 
10:30 PM
our desktop team works heavily with our security team (which is itself kind of unicorn-ish) to deploy updates via SCCM to a test/staging environment for at least 7 days before pushing out in waves to each different hospital
I've been here 6 years and I'm still surprised on occasion how rigorous and enterprise-level some given process is in our organization
 
I would imagine that hospitals are held to some pretty strict requirements, though. Especially for data security
 
though if you want to know the truth it's all just a sham because my team is a bunch of cowboys.... sometimes we even make changes directly to production 8-)
@Das_Geek Yes it all goes out the window though when some dude pulls out his cell phone and snaps a phone screenshot of some computer screen with patient info
(not that that's happened here, but we have a lot of grief during discussions w/ security and privacy folks about risk management)
 
@TylerH Do any of your IT coworkers have to be RN's as well? A friend of mine worked IT in a hospital and it was actually a requirement that they be an RN for their department.
 
"you can't do that, it's not secure" "did you know I just put a number at the end of my password and increment it every time I have to change it?" "WHAT DONT TELL ME THAT OHMIGOD AKLJSDFSJ"
@NathanOliver on our applications side, yes. We have folks who are RNs, BSNs, and PharmDs, etc. working with that. Mostly they work in the Epic EHR team, though. They are in a separate building these days rather than the normal IT building
 
@TylerH ooh that reminds me I need to increment my password
 
10:35 PM
Cool. I wonder if that's a government rec, or they just want people "in the know" doing IT.
 
@NathanOliver Epic requires it I think for working in some of their modules
 
@TylerH Yeah, we get annual training for stuff like that. Shoulder surfing is a thing
 
I'm just jealous of all you folks who actually have an "IT" department. Everywhere I've ever worked, whoever knows a thing or two just gets saddled with handling it all. For example, me.
 
Epic also requires people supporting their modules to take a friggin test to get access to it
 
@CodyGray So you know two things? Or just one?
 
10:36 PM
@CodyGray Well, lesson #1, don't cop to knowing it all :-P
 
^
@TylerH This is why 2FA
 
I've never admitted to knowing anything about IT. I regularly proclaim ignorance. Doesn't work.
 
Something you know, and something you have
 
@CodyGray That's actually how the IT deparment at my first Job started. Oh, you like ah know computers? Yes. Let me show you to a cubicle.
 
If only 2FA wasn't such a pain in the butt..
@NathanOliver Exactly, except: "Oh, you still have to keep doing your other job, too."
 
10:38 PM
@CodyGray Some are, yeah. Sometimes it's just looking at the six numbers on a device attached to your security badge, and sometimes it's automatic, like a yubikey
 
Funny how that works, isn't it
 
@Das_Geek Folks can barely remember their keys. How do you propose that they remember some special device?
 
@CodyGray That's why they need to make it a cell phone app. No one forgets their cell phone
 
@CodyGray And I suppose remembering a properly complex password is any easier?
@NathanOliver Google Authenticator is a good solution. I use it a lot; it's at least better than SMS 2FA
 
@Das_Geek we only require 2FA for a few things: connecting to the network via Citrix at home or accessing work email on a personal device (the device also has to be 'managed' which allows our IT dept to remotely brick the device if it's reported as lost or stolen)
 
10:41 PM
Yeah, I like Google Authenticator
 
@CodyGray The script automatically pulls in the SE defined close reason based on the reason actually sent to the internal endpoint (i.e. it uses the new reasons except for some shortcut text, if the user types it). As was later mentioned, the request you commented about was manually generated.
The version of the Request Generator I use is very close to the alpha version which is linked from the userscripts page on socvr.org. My version does have a few differences, but that's mostly development/testing.
 
@TylerH Yeah, company-deployed devices don't require the 2FA key when on the company net
 
@CodyGray We've considered doing that from time to time (May 2017 Room Meeting Topic #4). One of the reasons for having the username and link, from my point of view, is that having the link makes it easier to check for people targeting users with requests. Without the username, it would be much harder to manually check that someone is submitting requests about multiple posts by the same user. In real-world instances, it has helped.
 
and then it's SMS-based. Unfortunately the Outlook MFA doesn't support Google Authenticator (which is what I typically prefer) or even the MSFT Authenticator; it requires manual setup
anyway, I gotta run. End of day and all that
 
o/
 
10:42 PM
\o
 
@NathanOliver That reminds me of this scene
 
@NathanOliver Maybe millennials? Or maybe I just work with some "special" people. Personally, I find 2FA to be extremely cumbersome, which is why I don't use it on any services that give me a choice. Then again, I have no trouble remembering complex passwords.
 
@Das_Geek Woot, IT Crowd
 
@Makyen Because you can use a script that pattern-matches based on the user ID, rather than the non-unique user name?
 
@NathanOliver Unfortunately, we have to use "hard" tokens, since cellular devices aren't allowed in our work areas
 
10:46 PM
@CodyGray Unfortunately, the bot that performed automatic checking for that type of targeting is not currently operational.
 
@Makyen Is it just not hosted? Or is it borked?
 
@Das_Geek That's a pain, but understandable
 
@Makyen Sure. I'm just trying to understand whether that is the idea. I'm a lot less concerned about the type of "targeting" you describe than perhaps I should be. I'm very much about just focusing on each request alone, based on its own merits. But I can understand how having the ability to audit this if necessary would be useful.
 
@Das_Geek At the moment, it's borked.
 
@Makyen And if I'm correct in speculating how this was supposed to work, I'm not even sure the feature is all that useful, since so many users post requests here without using the script. We wouldn't really be catching the instances of "targeting".
 
11:01 PM
@NathanOliver I don't mind it too much; it's at least faster than pulling up my phone, unlocking it, opening the app, and scrolling to the right set of numbers
 
11:36 PM
@halfer Not sure, but it's possible they don,t know the command to launch a docker build while specifying a custom dockerfile
 
Maybe rename that to “Needs Opinions”? The consistency would make me happy.
 
@CodyGray They'll get that just by posting here
 
@CodyGray lol, totally
 
Also, I just realized we lost the "primarily" part of "opinion-based". That's too bad. That was a very important part.
I'd even go so far as to say the primary part.
 
11:42 PM
Now that's a prime example of a good pun
 
It seemed primed for success
 
Puns are my prime purpose.
But I'm also 100% serious, which makes it even better.
 
Trying to think of something to do with pry me a river
 
Or, this isn't even the primary concern with the new close notices?
 
M--
11:51 PM
@AdrianMole Shouldn't the question itself stackoverflow.com/questions/21455831/… get closed?
 
So, the primary problems with these primers for proper posting is primarily about primarily perspectived posts?
 
@Das_Geek Primarily.
 
@CodyGray Perfect
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Yeah, maybe. Since they mentioned DC and DinD, it sounded like they were asking about running the containers, but the title indicates they are talking about building the images. I think we should hope that the OP offers clarifications, at least in the comments - we can reopen if they do.
 
@M-- Considered, then reverted. I think it's specific enough.
Open to arguments otherwise, though
 
M--
11:56 PM
@CodyGray didn't check the timeline. Nah, I wasn't sure either. It's fine as is. No arguments ^__^
But while we have you here, I had a question
I raised a flag asking for a historical lock on this question: stackoverflow.com/questions/22033401/…
It got declined under: "declined - We historically lock only those posts that were once on-topic, have received a lot of views and are no longer on-topic. "
I do not fully understand the reason for rejecting the flag.
 
Hmm. I'm not sure what the rationale there was. I agree with you that the question is off-topic, and indeed it was closed as such when you raised your flag. It seems to me that 18k views is "a lot", but I'm not quite sure what threshold that moderator might have been using.
On the other hand, I'm not sure the question needs a historical lock. We use those primarily to protect questions from deletion. I don't see any evidence that one is in danger of deletion.
 

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