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12:44 AM
@Dharman Mistake
 
 
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9:19 AM
...and 3 upvotes? uhm
 
9:30 AM
@Steve yeah, TreeView gets mistaken for Three View, hence it attracts Three votes. it is logical.
 
Ohhh, never thought about that... I will start to post questions about treeview then.
 
@Steve ThreeView is the RegEx of C# ...
 
 
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12:03 PM
Is this misuse of duplicate accounts? (Using them to bypass a question limit.)
… Sorry, I linked the dupe! Here's the second Q: stackoverflow.com/q/59809116/10871073
 
 
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5:24 PM
I have mod flags that are 4 days old; is this the aftermath of recent events?
 
@Dharman Shouldn't that answer just be down-voted rather than summarily deleted?
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels The question doesn't ask for PHP solution. I think that if you asked a question in Java and someone gave you a PHP solution you would want to delete it too, right?
 
@Dharman Nope, I'd down-vote it
 
@M-- Maybe - I guess it depends on the nature of the flags. I've had 'low-priority' flags (like NLN requests on comments) wait for a week, sometimes, and a request to investigate possible voting irregularities took several weeks to get 'approved'.
 
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@AdrianMole these are requests for historical lock and also malicious behavior; I thought these are high priority; interestingly, NLN flags were handled already.
 
5:30 PM
I can't ask the room for down votes. :) I see no value in keeping this answer. Can anyone else share an opinion? Should we keep the answer or delete it?
 
IME, NLN flags for comments on very old posts get handled quickly; those on more recent posts can take longer.
@M-- But 4 days for a malicious behaviour flag does seem considerably longer than one would expect.
 
My flags get ~declined~ handled very quickly.
 
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@AdrianMole EXACTLY. That's my question!
 
@Dharman Maybe they have you flagged as a "Mod-Botherer?" 😉
 
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@Dharman report the mods to SE, so they can "hold up that as evidence of toxicity"
 
5:36 PM
@Dharman Nor should you request that the room down-vote -- you personally do it if you feel that the answer is wrong. Per this meta Q/A, Should a really bad answer be deleted?, don't delete unless the answer doesn't attempt to answer the question (this one does) or is of egregiously bad quality -- a judgement call for this point, but i don't think that this answer qualifies
 
I'd argue that a PHP answer to a Java question is of egregiously bad quality...
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@AdrianMole I have not experienced that.
 
@M-- mods have limited options to filter flags.
 
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@rene I was not aware of that; but I said that in response to @AdrianMole saying that some flags like No Longer Needed for comments would take more time to handle.
 
However, this answer says that answers can be deleted when they are irrelevant or bad quality. After all this is why there is 20k privilege. It might seem like an attempt at answering, but it is an orange for an apple question.
 
5:45 PM
@M-- IIRC comment flags and post flags are separated
 
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@rene OK, but let's go back to my first question. Talking about comment flags and post flags is not that related. It was just a side convo btw Adrian and me. I asked: "I have mod flags that are 4 days old; is this the aftermath of recent events?"
 
Just to clarify: A few weeks ago, I decided to run a self 'audit' on some of my older answers (as a sort of New Year clean-up). In that process, I raise a lot of NLN flags on comments that were resolved discussions in my answers (I already deleted my comments therein). Essentially all of these were approved in minutes, and the old NLN comments went away. I raised a NLN on a more recent discussion, and that took a few days to take effect.
Maybe if 'n' number of folks raise the NLN on the same comment, it goes automagically?
 
@M-- the mod team is under powered.
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@AdrianMole You can delete some comments just by yourself. Others can only be handled by mods
 
@rene So they're not just 'slackers', then? 😉
@Dharman - Sure, I can delete my own comments.
 
5:52 PM
@AdrianMole No. :D I meant there are secret rules. e.g. Contains "thanks"|"thank you" and is less than 50? chars. Or contains +1 or "accept"
 
OK - I didn't know that - but some of those rules are no longer "secret," huh?
@M-- I know Bhargav took a 'day off from the queues' recently: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/392922/10871073 maybe others are doing the same, from time to time.
 
These are common examples. There are obviously other secret words. Thanks is the most obvious one
Swear words are another example I think
 
@AdrianMole In my experience those take longer time, days or weeks
 
@Dharman Maybe deleting others' comments (within the secret rules) is a privilege I haven't (yet) earned? 10K+ possibly?
 
@AdrianMole No, but some comments will auto-delete based on an algorithm (e.g. reported as abusive and they contain English swear words)
 
5:56 PM
@AdrianMole I've never heard that it was tied to reputation.
 
@AdrianMole No, I think everyone has the same rules. If you can flag a comment it will apply. Here try it: stackoverflow.com/questions/25732203/…
 
Probably, I'm getting confused about what @Dharman is saying! I thought he was implying an active delete button on other folks comments, which I've never seen. I can understand that 3 (say) R/A flags will auto-delete.
 
@AdrianMole I was talking about NLN flags on comments.
 
@Dharman Wow! It just … went away! 😊😊 (Every day's a school-day!)
 
@AdrianMole I would expect that NLN flags are usually easy to handle, even the ones which aren't handled automatically. Custom flags are often a lot more work. Given that the moderators are human :-), they will often choose to blow through the easy flags, saving the harder ones for times when they feel they have the time/motivation.
@TinyGiant It's good to see you back. How are things going? I hope everything's going well for you.
 
6:12 PM
@AdrianMole Are you sure this is NAA? stackoverflow.com/a/59812598/1839439
I think it should just be edited.
 
@Dharman You've convinced me! I'll retract the flag and edit.
@Dharman Think I made a good job? stackoverflow.com/a/59812598/10871073
 
@AdrianMole No. :D I think that the acknoledgement is redundant and just noise. OP didn't copy the comment, they provided their own answer.
Once the answer is posted the comment should be flagged as NLN
Then your link point to nothing
 
Then please feel free to edit again. Another user, for whom I have great respect, gave me the idea of adding the "from a comment" credit, in small italic text.(But in a slightly different context, I have to admit.)
 
@Dharman The original version of the answer indicates the user did copy the comment. As such, the attribution is required by the CC BY-SA license.
 
@Makyen The comment says "Try to make XHR with .setRequestHeader "Accept-Encoding", "identity" to force the webserver to send uncompressed response."
The answer doesn't contain these words. They might have gotten the idea for the answer from the comment, but the answer is theirs.
If the person who commented didn't want to put it as an answer, it's their loss. You can post it as a comment as long as you do not copy it word for word. That is my opinion.
 
6:32 PM
@Dharman It's true that the original version of the answer doesn't contain the code in the comment. If the answer is left as the original, low quality, version, then explicit attribution is not required. Once the exact code is copied from the comment into the answer, then attribution is required.
 
@Dharman @Makyen The point is that the original answer did acknowledge the comment writer (though less formally). I felt I should maintain that credit while, at the same time, attempting to improve the overall quality/format of the post.
 
@Dharman I agree. If the code wasn't copied word for word, then actual attribution wouldn't be required. The hat-tip to the person who commented would be nice/sufficient. But, the current version of the answer does copy the exact code from the comment, so attribution is required. IMO, the answer is better for having copied from the comment.
 
6:50 PM
@Dharman I don't think any of us are saying the answer OP posting their answer is inappropriate, or even that the first version of the answer needed attribution (i.e. we're all in agreement with that Meta post). OTOH, IMO, it was a poor quality answer, which it was reasonable to improve by editing. The addition of the code copied from the comment was an improvement. But, once the code was copied, then attribution is necessary.
If the answer OP had independently written the same code (it's short, so that would have certainly been possible), then they would not have had to add attribution. But, the wording of the original makes it clear that they did use something based on that comment. Without the exact code which the answer OP used, it's reasonable to assume they used that exact code in the comment and copy the code from the comment into the answer, thus necessitating attribution.
 
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7:29 PM
I just encountered a user that posted a copy/pasted (with absolutely no change) solution from another similar (not the same) question. I confronted and said this is plagiarism. Here's their answer (deleted, +10k users): "@M-- isn't most of this website plagiarism?... I'll delete" stackoverflow.com/questions/59813300/…
It is deeply concerning behavior and belief. Should I mod-flag the answer to keep an eye on this user? stackoverflow.com/a/59813555/6461462
 
@M-- I think you should (but that's just my humble opinion). Doesn't seem to be any ♦ Geezers in the room tonight (more's the pity).
 
 
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8:38 PM
@M-- The prior statement from moderators is that they want at least one custom mod-flag when there's plagiarism, even if the are other possible flags which you can raise (e.g. NAA/spam), or if it's otherwise deleted. It's been stated as acceptable for the custom flag to be raised on content after the post is deleted (e.g. spam/NAA/delete-vote until deletion and then raise a custom mod-flag; obviously, that only works when done by a user with >10k rep).
 
@M-- It looks like the copying there was not byte-identical. If you don't mind expanding your explanation to a potential plagiarist, you can say to them that copying work is OK as long as the authorship is noted in copies. That will allow folks the freedom to take+improve.
 
@M-- I was previously responding to the general case. Having now looked at both answers, I would say that it's not plagiarism. The answers are different. One might have been inspired by the other, but it's not a direct copy, or even a copy where they just removed some lines, or just changed variable names.
 
9:04 PM
@Makyen Things have been good. Just recently came back to ask a question, then ended up answering it myself. How've things been with you?
 
@TinyGiant Other than the ... stuff ... that's been going on with Stack Overflow, it's been fairly normal. Things on SO/SE have been ... strained ..., which has really been way more emotional involvement than is reasonable.
 
Yeah, I was reading up on the... stuff... yesterday. Quite the... stuff...
 
Unfortunately, there's a lot to read about.
 
all the stuffs
 
Yeah, I was having trouble finding everything.
Everything is so different than when I left.
 
9:31 PM
@TinyGiant Yeah, a considerable portion has been deleted, which makes it significantly more difficult to find. Even just finding much of what's left isn't that easy, as it's sprawled all over the sites, but most of it's on MSE, or at least linked from there or summarized there.
If you want to talk more about it, we should take the conversation elsewhere, given that we're trying to avoid having discussions about the situations here in SOCVR.
 
@Makyen I have a feeling that everything worth saying has already been said. Nothing I can say or do will have much effect. I gave up my right to say anything when I had my account deleted.
 
@TinyGiant I can understand that point of view, but I'd disagree that you've given up the right to speak, unless you choose to have given it up. OTOH, I agree that there's been a lot said, and that much of what could be said has been.
 
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@Makyen I am not sure how much you are familiar with r but the differences you noticed are not relevant at all. They remind me of my students homework when they were using a synonym or were rounding numbers or even different font to say they didn't copy from each other.
 
10:12 PM
@M-- I have little or no knowledge of r. It's quite possible the user got the basic information from the other answer. The user's comment and deletion of their answer argues strongly that they felt it might be plagiarism. However, it is not a direct copy, or even trivially edited. It's sufficiently different such that I don't think a flag asserting plagiarism would be sustained. Keep in mind that such would be evaluated by a mod unlikely to be familiar with any particular technology.
 
10:31 PM
User has posted the exact same link to three questions in very quick succession
See Natty for more!
 
@AdrianMole seems unaffiliated with that project
so well-meaning mistake is much more likely than spam (just a multiple-post post that happens to be link-only)
 
I agree, which is why I gave the "??" - but three identical "not an answer" links smells a wee bit like spamming, to me.
 
@AdrianMole I wouldn't call them spam. They all are pointing to official documentation for the package which is being asked about in the question. Thus, the link shouldn't be considered spam. However, they are all link-only NAA, as all they do is say "go look at the docs [link]". Given that they are exact duplicates, an auto-flag should have been raised.
 
@AdrianMole as I said, you often see proper answer answers being copied to 2-3 dupes. No ill intent.
 
@Makyen @AndrasDeak Which is why I just gave them all the NAA flag.
 
10:43 PM
That works. A custom mod flag might also work. And check if the questions are dupes.
the only problem with NAA is that if review deletes them the user will never learn not to double-post
 
100% on the "no ill intent" - but we don't want such "noise!"
 
Yes, but spam and rude/abusive are red flags. Using them to delete content has some severe repercussions against the user. So if there's no ill intent: don't flag with them.
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there are plenty of softer ways for the community to delete noise, even without mods
 
@Makyen - Nice comment you added - I'm just too tired to have written one, so I used one from the box.
 
@AdrianMole Thanks. I have a bunch of comments in my auto-comments, which have been written by myself, gathered from other people's comments, from the stock comments, from comment repositories, and/or modified to suit what I want to say. Most of them have gone through multiple iterations, as they've been used and modified multiple times.
@AdrianMole Feel free to copy or modify, without attribution, comments I leave about post status/moderation for use as comments on other posts in similar circumstances.
 
11:01 PM
I've done that a bit already, in a clumsy (pasted into a word doc) way, but I'm working on using the user script that adds 'auto' comments to do it more efficiently.
Anyway, time for me to hit the sack, and go dream about Spam Fritters! Yummy.
 
That sounds very similar to how I progressed through developing comments, although I used a different program to store the text, as Word isn't my go-to program for text notes. :-)
 

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