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12:11 AM
@Das_Geek Yes. CS theory questions are OK if they are contextualized in terms of practical programming problems. That one isn't.
 
12:41 AM
@CodyGray Thanks. That question seemed a bit iffy
 
1:09 AM
 
1:44 AM
@KenWhite That question is of far too low a quality to ever consider migrating elsewhere. Please consider the quality of a question when deciding whether to migrate or simply to close.
 
@CodyGray That's why I suggested that the poster check the other site's guidelines before posting there. You'd prefer I not do that?
 
@KenWhite Uh, no, that part is fine, but in here you seemed to be requesting votes to migrate to Cross Validated.
I undeleted your comment. I read it too quickly, biased too much by how I read your request here.
 
@CodyGray Ah, got it. The objection was to the phrasing on SOCVR, not the one on SO? I wasn't suggesting that anyone here migrate it; I was explaining the reason I thought it should be closed.
 
Yes, objection was the phrasing on SOCVR. Sorry I didn't make that clear. It looked like you were requesting migrating to CV, since that's one of the "unlocked" migration destinations that normal users can vote to migrate to.
 
@CodyGray Never noticed that Stats was one of the available migration sites. Sorry - my mistake. (I usually run across DBA, SF or SU posts for migration - never looked closely enough, I guess.) Thanks for the heads up.
 
1:56 AM
@KenWhite Sure, no worries.
 
2:53 AM
Should this question be closed? I think that the OP could've found the answer on their own with more research, but I'm not sure if it's close-worthy.
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica That question is POB
 
 
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4:12 AM
@Machavity This is sign that SO/SE is dying from within. Quite frankly, I'm not sure how much longer this can go on.
 
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Quite frankly, this makes the place sound quite toxic (not the community, but the company) at this point.
 
 
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6:44 AM
This question was blindly closed as a duplicate: stackoverflow.com/questions/59763933/…
 
@sshashank124 I'm going to agree with you that that one isn't a duplicate of the question chosen. However, I would also ask that you not make accusations like the one you did, that the question was closed "blindly". I'm sure the close voters had good intentions, and maybe even a good reason.
If you want the original voters, this room, or anyone else to re-evaluate a question closed as a duplicate, there's a better way to ask. Like: "I feel that this question is not a duplicate because x".
 
@CodyGray I understand. I tried to be professional in the question comments itself. I left that comment after the first 1 or 2 duplicate close requests and then it still got voted to be closed many minutes later without any discussion so it just felt a little frustrating ... sorry
 
You usually don't want to have discussion about that sort of thing in the comments. It gets noisy. Comments aren't an effective medium for discussion. Presumably, the people who cast the second and third close votes just disagreed with you. I understand that can be frustrating, of course. :-)
 
@CodyGray yes I understand. thank you for the help and advice
 
8:05 AM
Is a 22 days old self-duplicate question too old for a cv-pls? They both (the question and the self-dup target) are duplicates of an older question for which I just posted an answer (saying just in case of a rule violation)
 
8:36 AM
@Lankymart just don't
 
@rene I know...
 
awesome, thanks
 
 
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11:28 AM
@RiggsFolly don't be fooled by the example code; the title question is still perfectly answerable and googleable.
 
11:51 AM
@RiggsFolly we were quick to delete it. Why was it deleted so quickly?
@JohnDvorak I would agree. The question was not particularly bad and I don't quite agree with closing it as typo. The OP is confused by the format. Their comments are not important, because that is the sign they are confused.
 
12:12 PM
@JohnDvorak Hi, but the answer is quite simple to find in the manual. SO is not a replacement for a quick squint at the manual. We dont want to go the way of www.fools and just reproduce bits of the manual.
 
"answered by official documentation" isn't currently a valid close reason that I know of
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Just uninstall 'Show Timeline' :)
 
@Shree was just about to say the same ting
 
:D
 
@rene I was already wondering which of @Makyen's scripts had put extra buttons on my screen
 
@rene I thought that one of my mods started working
 
1:04 PM
@Dharman I checked if I got a diamond by accident ...
 
Now for dark mode in 6 - 8 more years
Till then, the user script serves its purpose
 
Morning
 
'fternoon
 
'ternoon
 
'ernoon
 
1:20 PM
Wow, they actually implemented a quality feature \o/
 
'rnoon
 
@NathanOliver Well, they kinda owe us one there...
 
one? ;)
 
I'm not sure I'd be satisfied if they cleaned the entire backlog at this point. But it's a start
 
1:54 PM
NO! Don't generate the unittest in THAT project ... :/ ... I need a break.
 
Huh, just got an answer accepted, I answered the question 6 years ago nearly.. WOW. Is there some sort of process going on to get people to accept answers?
 
@RiggsFolly There was a new answer to the question which probably got OPs attention, and they now know how better to use the site
No disclosure to their own article
 
Maybe its just their favorite site, linked here as well stackoverflow.com/a/40627932/2310830
 
@RiggsFolly site is their "url" on the profile page
 
SO it is
 
2:10 PM
@NathanOliver Not very often we have our coding circles cross like that. Terrible for both tags
 
2:27 PM
 
3:13 PM
I was just complaining to myself yesterday about how annoying it was to not have any way to go to a post's timeline page
the gods in my head have answered my prayers it seems
 
@TylerH yes, you're welcome.
 
3:38 PM
@NickA For those posts that failed to disclose their affiliation, what was the right way to handle those?
 
@SecretAgentMan If they're of value (I think one of them was), maybe just a comment with a friendly reminder, for the link only ones, you could flag as NAA or spam
 
3:51 PM
Should I add what I rolled back as a community wiki post? stackoverflow.com/posts/24333301/revisions I feel this would be helpful, because accepted answer contains mistakes.
 
4:06 PM
@adiga where is the typographical error here?
 
@Dharman Yes, that's the normal way to handle it, unless you think the OP is very likely to respond to a comment asking them to post the content as an answer. In this case, that's unlikely given the age of the edit which added the answer in the question and the "last seen" date for the OP. When adding the CW answer, you can/should leave a comment for the question OP offering to delete the CW answer if/when they post an answer, but that they should ping you when they do post it.
 
@Makyen Thanks. That is a good advice, but I am going to write my own answer instead. I think this will have more value in the long run.
 
@Dharman OK. If that's best for future visitors, go for it. I'd suggest leaving a comment on the question explaining the reason for your rollback of the question, particularly given that you are also going to add an answer. I usually leave something like:
I've rolled-back your edit adding an answer in your question. I'm glad you found a solution to your problem. However, an actual answer/solution should **not** be edited into your Question. In general, you should [edit] the Question to *clarify the Question*, but not to include an Answer within the Question. You should create your own Answer with the code you used to solve your problem, then accept it (the system may require a 48 hour delay prior to accepting your own answer).
When you've solved the problem yourself, [answering your own question is encouraged](/help/self-answer).
 
Can I use this comment or is it copyrighted?
 
4:21 PM
@Dharman All content is CC-BY-SA 3.0 or 4.0 ;)
 
@NathanOliver Unless it's MIT kthxbye
 
@Machavity IIRC that never actually got pushed to the TOS. Did it?
 
Ah, it didn't get pushed. They only said it would get pushed
 
@Dharman There is a commonly used DUP for that error here stackoverflow.com/questions/11321491/…
 
@M-- why general computing? Has there been a change in the way we handle Excel questions?
@RiggsFolly not everything must be closed as a duplicate.
 
4:32 PM
@Dharman General Formula questions are off topic on SO. Only VBA and complex formulas are on topic on SO.
 
M--
@Dharman I didn't get the memo about excel questions (not sarcastic). It's not about programming, that's my logic.
 
@Dharman It is copyrighted, as is almost everything written. I release it to be used anywhere on Stack Exchange as a comment, without the need for attribution.
 
@TylerH NVM - I see OP's comments further down under one of the answers now
 
1 message moved from SOCVR /dev/null
 
4:43 PM
@Dharman No of course not, only the duplicates
 
@TylerH That could reasonably be considered a typo. The OP's code doesn't work because they used single quotes instead of back-ticks. The second highest scored answer shows the difference. Using a template literal is an unusual way to do it. It's also almost certainly a duplicate of something, depending on how you read the question (i.e. how-to or debugging).
 
The question as phrased was not a typo, just a "can I do this" to which the answer would be "yes, if you do it correctly"
 
@RiggsFolly I don't want to argue, but in this case closing it would not be very helpful. We could close it as a duplicate of a few posts, but the reason why I found this one in Google search is because it was useful as is. I decided to beautify it even more to be helpful for others, but by closing it I would be pointing people away from a thread I found useful.
 
@TylerH OK, so maybe I should read everything prior to replying. :-)
 
so I voted to close as a typo after adding in that clarification to the question (e.g. "this isn't working for some reason"
to which now the appropriate answer could be "the reason is you have used apostrophes instead of carets" e.g. the typo reason (more specifically the "not likely to be useful to others" sub-justification) would apply IMHO
 
4:51 PM
@TylerH I'd argue that the question, as phrased, was unclear. :-) Given the combination of the code in the question with the title and text, it was unclear if the question was debugging or "how-to". Both are almost certainly duplicates, but which duplicate to use depends on what was really being asked.
 
@Makyen I'll schedule us for a 5 minute argument later :-)
 
:-)
 
5:45 PM
@Dharman Argue.. me neither. But you found that question "useful as is"? One answer with 3 well deserved downvotes and an Accepted Answer that is by your own admission complete nonsense? In what way is that in any way useful :)
 
5:56 PM
@Makyen English isn't like German: we don't capitalize regular nouns. So "Question" and "Answer" should be lowercase throughout.
 
Do you think this question is plagiarized from this (albeit, they changed the OS version). If yes, I am wondering why would they do that?
 
@Vega Looks like it. They want an updated answer? They want some repz?
@Vega Is that the only instance of plagiarism you spotted for that user?
 
Thank you! I didn't "spy" on them (yet) :)
 
@RiggsFolly Is that based on Taplar's comment? Funk Forty Niner just left another comment suggesting a typo. It appears perhaps that the code has multiple problems?
 
@CodyGray I guess so
@CodyGray Turns out its a bit of a cluster typo
 
6:08 PM
@CodyGray I agree, it would be correct to do so. In a few comments, I've chosen to capitalize "question" or "answer" to emphasize the difference between referring to a question post or answer post and just having a question or answer. However, I note that my subsequent edits to that comment have, unfortunately, not kept that usage consistent. I had hoped it would be a reasonable, fewer character, substitute for not using "your answer post", "your question post" to differentiate.
 
@Makyen Hmm. I wouldn't rely on that distinction being obvious due to a quirk of capitalization. I think it would be better to spell it out. There are a couple of redundant uses of "question" in there, too, which makes for some awkward constructions.
 
@CodyGray I didn't find anything suspicious (maybe a NAA). I noted, however, that they are comfortable in English, so that should not be the raison to copy-paste an already written question
@CodyGray And thank you for the comment on the question
 
@CodyGray I'll look at rewording it. The repetition of the words "question" and "answer" was an effort to more thoroughly emphasize the separation between questions and answers to users that were definitely not understanding that the Stack Exchange format has a strict separation of the two types of posts. It's quite possible that my effort to do so falls flat. It might be better to just explicitly state it. [I have other comments which do explicitly state it.]
 
6:26 PM
Explicitly stating it probably makes sense. You might also consider linking to the [tour].
 
6:43 PM
I've rolled back your last edit. Please note that [Stack Overflow is different from traditional forums](https://stackoverflow.com/tour) in that it maintains a strict separation between questions and answers.
etc.
 
7:28 PM
@Machavity Where did you see the resource request there?
 
@CodyGray He lists all the tools he's tried and not found an answer
I also get the impression he's trying to do this on another website, not his own
 
Doesn't look to me like those are tools he tried. Just approaches. Maybe the very last one (#5) is a tool.
It's definitely too broad, and possibly even not-programming-related, but I just don't see where it asks for a resource. So I'm wondering if I'm missing something.
 
I recognized Ahrefs as a SEO tool. It's possible I misread the others
 
7:56 PM
 
@RiggsFolly TBH I didn't look at the answers in detail. What I meant that the question was useful with its answer edited in. Which is why I rolled it back and added a proper answer of my own. Both answers are garbage in opinion. I got about 6 or 7 results when I googled. Only one was using MySQLi instead of mysql_* and prepared statements.
 
@AdrianMole I just ran into this C++ issue today. Was trying to install a software client on a machine at work and it failed at the "install the 2015 package" step because that version of W10 had just had 2017 pushed to it a day or two ago.
(apropos of nothing)
 
Wow! So I posted something that actually helped somebody?
 
Thanks, @TylerH. That link showed me a tag that needed to be merged and synonymized with .
 
@CodyGray any time
 
8:06 PM
Look at all these people being helped! It's not like we're not evil and toxic after all?
 
@AdrianMole as it happens, yes :-)
 
In other words I wouldn't cry if the Question with its answers was closed and deleted, but that would only mean that the other worse results would prevail.
 
Law of Averages, I guess.
 
I also filed a report with the vendor of the software letting them know their software installer needs to be updated to either include the newer version of the distributable or to skip trying to install 2015 if it detects 2017 is already installed rather than failing
 
I posted code (C++) for an installer 'plug-in' that does actually check the currently installed redistributable for later/earlier than the one packaged up with the software. I can dig it out, if you like.
 
8:09 PM
MSDN documentation even states this clearly.
This is a huge improvement over the older system of MSVCRT libraries, and there was much rejoicing when it happened. I think I still hear the ringing echoes of the chorus.
This is, by the way, called the Universal CRT.
 
@TylerH Maybe point the software vendor to this answer (mine).
 
(Yes, I realize it would have been easier if I'd just edited Adrian's answer. But what fun would that be?)
 
@CodyGray Not sure that the VC++ redistributable is entirely synonymous with the Universal CRT, as it also includes support DLLs for MFC and other such stuffs.
 
All part of the same changeset and deployment system.
It's not synonymous, but reading about the UCRT gives the necessary background.
The VC runtime is just a frontend around the UCRT.
 
Venture capitals have runtimes now?
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8:19 PM
There is, of course, the disadvantage that when a bug is identified in a runtime library component, the user is going to have to wait for a Windows patch, rather than such a patch being provided by the ISV. But it's probably more likely that Microsoft will patch Windows before you patch your own software.
 
Windows patches are so 2019, though. :)
 
Uhh...?
No, Windows patches are so Every Freakin' Tuesday, sometimes more often.
 
hehe
 
This week especially has been a big week for patches
or at least announcements that will result in additional patches
@CodyGray Yep, I mentioned that to them in the bug report
 
Oh, and if you have Windows machines you should probably patch them. Like now
 
user10957435
8:32 PM
Only servers, or desktops too?
 
Both
 
user10957435
Well, I just updated the machines today, coincidentally, so I'm glad I did. I'll keep note of that, though.
 
In other news, today's patches should install the new Chromium Edge
 
user10957435
Um, so I now see a "timeline" clock on questions and answers. Is that new?
 
user10957435
Or should I say, did I miss an announcement for it?
 
8:46 PM
Sort of 'soft announced' in this Meta answer
 
user10957435
Nvm. It's new. It just got status-completed finally after these years...
 
… curious timing, though - it's one of Shog's babies, I believe.
 
It is
 
 
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11:15 PM
Do you consider this to be too broad stackoverflow.com/questions/59778827/…?
 
11:32 PM
 
11:44 PM
How to deal with troll user? I flagged their posts as R/A is this good or will it be declined by mod?
 
@Dharman That's going to depend on if the fact that the user is trolling can be determined by looking at a single post in isolation. If not, then a custom mod-flag is better.
 
Rob
@Dharman One of the flags probably would be nuked on its own. The flag on the question would probably get declined
 
@Rob I assume you handled it just now. So mod flag would be a better option in future, correct?
 
How did this post survive the Triage queue? The comment?
 
@SecretAgentMan It requires editing... by OP
 
11:51 PM
@SecretAgentMan how was that still not closed?
hope is now...
 
Rob
@Dharman Yep... didn't want the other flags to possibly be declined. And yeah, unless the content exactly matches the flag text, I'd recommend custom flagging with an explanation
 
@Dharman I see. So it sits like that until SOCVR warriors catch it or OP edits.
@Vickel It is now. Thanks.
 
@SecretAgentMan It had an "Unsalvageable" result from Triage, and was placed in the CV queue, which is the normal result when at least one of the three reviewers who selected "Unsalvageable" don't have >=3k rep. In this case, all three have < 3k rep.
 
looks like triage failed completelty, and I can understand why:

yesterday completed Unsalvageable × 3, Requires Editing × 2, Looks OK × 1

for who speaks Spanish fluently/natively: edit is ok or looks ok, they might don't even think its not English
 
Rob
'Looks OK'. Huh.
 
11:57 PM
@Rob yeah, in Spanish maybe, didn't check so...
 

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