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12:00 AM
@CodyGray I'm happy to take responsibility, but I think this one is more likely to be for @RandomNetworkingProblem.
 
@Makyen What a coincidence, that's the source of all bugs in my code, too! Including the code that runs on air-gapped machines.
(Uh, just realized that sounded kinda hostile. Didn't mean it that way. Insert a joking emoji on the end there...)
 
@CodyGray I took the whole thing as humorous. Admittedly, I did have to read back and see what was being talked about, as I was on a different tab at the time. :-)
@AdrianMole You can use The Stack Overflow Unofficial Patch (SOUP), which enables the close dialog in H&I. cc @Dharman
 
@Makyen Sounds good! I've not yet started with SO user-scripts and the like. I'm still exploring and discovering all sorts of wonderous zones and things. But I'll probably get one of the XXXMonkeys installed and get into scripts over the Xmas/NY break.
 
M--
1:07 AM
@CodyGray well, because otherwise we need to create our own dataset. But here the reason fir CV is not MRE, OP is asking for an external library to do this (not possible in base r). I stand by my vote there. On my phone and traveling, if you really think I made the decision lightly, we can discuss further later. Just wanted to point out that I am not the first CV on that thread. Another trusted r tag user voted first.
 
1:33 AM
@M-- Saying that another user has also voted to close it doesn't have much relevance. I'm harping on this because it's a common misunderstanding. The fact that the answers would have to recommend a library/tool in order to solve the problem does not mean that the question is soliciting a recommendation. Questions like this one can be trivally rephrased into "How can I do X?", thus making them on-topic.
It is not a problem that an answer might recommend a library in the course of solving the problem.
Thus, such questions should not be closed. Rather, they should be edited to ensure that the verbiage is correct.
In other words: prefer to rescue apparent resource requests, turning them into "How can I do X?" questions, rather than "Is there a library for X?" questions. This creates value for everyone.
If we went around closing all questions for which the answer was to use a library, we wouldn't have any questions on this site anymore. Except for possibly "debug my code" questions, which are the least interesting and least useful types of questions that we could possibly have here. SO isn't a help desk; we don't want to make it harder for people to ask interesting, useful questions.
 
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9:04 AM
@Georgy I don't see any recent activity on those Recommendation ?
1st one is active on 10 years, 5 months ago.
 
9:24 AM
@Shree Ah, right... My apologies. I forgot about this rule. I wonder what were the reasons for it, though.
 
9:53 AM
@Kyll / @Makyen please bin this request. OP edit .
 
@Kyll bolb!
 
Thanks.
 
10:27 AM
Anyone knows where Closey's source code is?
 
@Kyll Sam's basement?
 
@tripleee Hah, is it?
Oh it is apparently, thanks
I was sure the repo name was Closey
> Back when I (gunr2171) joined SOCVR...
Okay this is going to be a melancholic trip now.
 
10:45 AM
@Kyll you still speak to the fish?
 
11:14 AM
@Adriaan Not these days no
 
12:09 PM
 
12:33 PM
Lol. username similar to website
 
This is amazing
 
12:59 PM
Oh the username was StackOverFlow :D
 
o/
 
1:50 PM
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o/
 
@rene Yes, thanks. That was exactly what I was referring to.
o/
 
2:07 PM
@Machavity More like the debugging help reason to me
 
@Kyll Still rather broad tho
 
Kinda unclear wrt the version also
 
2:22 PM
o/ Happy serial downvote Wednesday all
 
\o
 
@TylerH It's Stack Overflow's Christmas gift to you
 
@TylerH Oh it's Wednesday every day, then?
 
@Das_Geek Maybe someone was just taking @CodyGrays advice to heart :-D
 
2:30 PM
lol
 
@TylerH What kind of Mickey Mouse question is that?
 
2:53 PM
btw @SecretAgentMan the term is self-deprecating, not self-depreciating
 
@TylerH Indeed. sigh Back to the Triage or H&I queue to do penance.
 
Refer to this question. It is correctly closed as resource request. IMO, all answers except the accepted one are Not An Answer due to Link Only contents. What is the right course of action here? Should individual answer be flagged or a question flagged to Mod saying something "all answers except accepted one are NAA.... etc."? Or anything else? Or simply, leave it as is because "all answers are answers because they are correctly answering question"?
^^Above is very old question without any new activity.
 
@AmitJoshi If the OP asked for links, and that is what they got, then those are answers. We don't need to do anything about them. What we can do is delete the Q which takes care of the whole problem.
 
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica That exactly was my thought. Answers are answers because question is asking for links. Was not sure though.
 
This is why we close these types of questions as they are a magnet for link only answers.
 
3:08 PM
@AmitJoshi Personally I consider activity only 1 month ago to be new activity when the question is nearly eleven years old
 
@TylerH Yes; I know and agree. I also mentioned in earlier message that this is very old question without new activity. I am not asking to take any action. Just want to know the possible right action/option if any. Anyway, As NathanOliver said above, that is possibly a way to go.
 
@AmitJoshi I understand; I am simply commenting on that very thing you said
 
3:52 PM
Pretty sure several system flags were raised as well
 
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@CodyGray I understand your argument, but for this specific question I don't think it's relevant. Question has lots of problems. I agree with the cause but not the example/incident.
As a side note. --- Question needs an MRE here. You think it does not need one, but I disagree. Even if the OP had a library/tool that would do this, and would've showed us some effort on utilizing it, then they needed the MCVE to let us help them.
There is not only one problem with that question.
I also want to mention that I didn't mention another user voting to justify my vote. Just wanted to say my cv-pls wasn't the reason for that question be closed.
It was on the course of closure, because two r-users already thought it should be.
I am not part of a cabal, trying to close every question.
 
@M-- Close! them! all! ... Close! them! all! ... Close! them! all! ... :-)
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M--
If you desire, take a look at my answers. I am willing to help, when it's possible. Even when questions are sort of broad, their example are not reproducible,etc. I try! but couldn't do the same for this one.
Just repeating what I said first: I agree with the cause (rescuing questions) but not the example/incident you are referring to here.
@Makyen Let's go! lol
 
@Makyen You sounds like Elan the Bard
 
@Machavity :-)
 
6:37 PM
Mods are afraid they create more work for me. Well, don't get me flagging ...
 
@AmitJoshi Individually flagging those answers to be deleted would not benefit anyone. It would just waste moderators' time, and it's very likely that the flags would get declined. If you're bothered by it, then the solution would be to delete the whole question. If you see any value in the question whatsoever that keeps you from wanting to delete it, then the answers it has accumulated should be left alone.
@AmitJoshi By the way... if you have some free time, you might edit the useful links from those answers into the tag wiki. Then, we could consider deleting the whole question.
@rene Afraid? I never said I was afraid. I said I loved doing it.
 
:D
 
What I especially like is the blurry flower obsessed about questions concerning blurry images.
I guess we all have pet causes.
 
lol
 
@CodyGray With >150k views and the number of upvotes the question has, it looks like it's been helpful to a significant number of people. I'm not sure it's a good idea to be deleting the question. The timeline indicates it's getting a number of upvotes and favorites within the last year, so at least some people feel the information is currently useful. While it's certainly off-topic, deleting it looks like it would be removing value.
I'm not sure how discoverable tag wikis are. Do search engines give them a reasonable amount of weight?
 
6:51 PM
Yeah, I have the same concerns.
No, tag wikis aren't discoverable at all... :-(
@M-- I...think we've gotten off track a bit, with you trying to defend yourself on this basis. I certainly made no such accusation. Having closed some 400 questions in the past month, if I were making that accusation, it would be the pot calling the kettle black. I already explained why I was harping on this. I think it's important, and a common misconception. I'm not trying to draw any broader conclusions about your close-voting habits or anything else.
 
He is trying to draw a comparison between your hats, however
 
I think my current hat suits me quite well.
 
It is a good hat
 
7:07 PM
I know. My activity has been low recently. Crazy busy at work. I'm now running...everything.
 
@CodyGray Well there's your problem right there. Don't run, bike. It's much faster
 
@CodyGray probably with no increase in pay, if it's the typical permutation of that scenario
 
Yup.
Lots of problems beyond that. Need a new job...
Will code for food.
(But not web stuff. Would rather starve.)
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7:22 PM
@CodyGray Was just about to ask if this was you, but I guess not
 
M--
@CodyGray Don't get me wrong, am not offended, nor became defensive. Before all that, not trying to insult you or anything. More or less, we are on the same page, big picture-wise. About the details, I am willing to let go, if you tell me where did you get your hat, I want one too!!! :)
 
@Machavity Nah, that's my cousin. There is, apparently, a shirt for me, but it's ugly.
 
Oof, VBA
 
@M-- No worries. It's very hard to insult me; you didn't even come close. I got the hat by posting a bunch of noisy comments that other people accidentally upvoted. The complete hat list is here on MSE.
@Das_Geek I would rather do VBA than HTML.
 
I'm convinced that VBA exists solely to allow PHP developers to say "We don't have it so bad" to themselves
 
7:31 PM
And I would rather do VBA than PHP, but that's really only since I already know VBA and don't know PHP.
 
I don't know, any day I can avoid working with Microsoft application object models is a good day in my book
 
PHP is like C, though. Similar syntax and all. Just don't use it for desktop development
 
Huh. I generally like Microsoft application object models. And I quite like Microsoft APIs.
@Machavity So...I just tried to Google for some examples of PHP syntax to see if it looked familiar enough to C, and yet all I could find was HTML.
 
@CodyGray Maybe I just had a bad experience, then. On a project I worked on, 90% of the effort was just finding which object or method to use. The other 10% was writing the two lines of code that used them
 
@Das_Geek What product/technology? I suspect some of it may just be learning to think like the MS devs. The first language I learned was VB, and then after that, I learned Win32 inside and out, backwards and forwards, so I've already drunk the Kool-aid.
 
7:39 PM
@CodyGray Specifically for the Office programs
I guess that made finding documentation harder. As i understand it, Office interfaces are more convoluted than other MS products
 
Oh...yeah, Office object model is a bit worse, because it was hacked into and on top of the programs over time.
 
Started that with VBA, then quickly noped out and went to C#
 
I was the primary developer and maintainer of a couple of heavily-used Word and Excel macro documents some years back. The only way I figured out how to build those was to use the recorder, and then go back and clean up the code.
VBA seems like the more elegant way of doing it to me.
 
Perhaps. There was some non-Office functionality we wanted our product to have, so I think C# was actually the right choice in this case. Kinda like writing bash scripts for things other than executing Unix tools....you can, but you're probably better off with something else
 
Ah, yeah. Perhaps so in that case. Although the VBA tools are actually remarkably good, once you learn their quirks.
 
7:45 PM
Not saying I don't have my share of hundreds-line-long bash monstrosities out there, but yeah
 
And you don't have to deal with the incredibly bloated, inefficient world of .NET.
Which is better than Java, but...that's not saying much.
 
Fair enough
 
"Please wait while we JIT your entire application, in order to build a binary that is still slower than anything a contemporary C++ compiler could have generated in advance."
 
Having no experience in Java whatsoever, I can only nod my head in mock understanding
 
I'm not a big fan of managed languages with bloated runtime environments.
Once I discovered C++, I really cannot imagine ever going back.
 
7:55 PM
I started with C++, then was restricted to C and x86 ASM. I kinda went backwards lol
I don't know about never going back. There are times when Python is very nice, and Haskell has done very well for me a couple times
Though I did have to use emacs for Haskell. Would rather forget about that :P
 
Yeah, my trajectory has been rather opposite of everyone else, it seems. Instead of moving up the layers of abstraction, I have been moving steadily downwards.
I love x86 assembly. I mean, not for practical use, but it's incredibly fun to code in.
It might take me hours, but being able to beat the compiler's optimizer is a very nice feeling.
 
Then you'd love this game and similar by this developer. He's a programming-puzzle-making wizard
You have a goal, a PDF manual, and the errors you get when you run your code
 
> It’s the assembly language programming game you never asked for!
Huh, yeah. I imagine that's not a category in very many trade journals.
It is actually x86 syntax? And...what's that? An interactive debugger? Nah, can't be. That's cheating!
Looking at the pictures, I am hella confused by all those boxes on the screen.
 
I do believe they represent individual processors
Most of his games end up challenging you to do things concurrently and optimally, not just correctly
 
He also has a molecule synthesis game, and while that appeals to me as someone with a bunch of otherwise-useless chemistry knowledge, it looks really quite boring. I can draw molecules in ChemDraw if I want. The UX is far better. All it lacks is solitaire...
 
8:04 PM
Oh that must be a new one. I haven't seen it before. He does have a solitaire game
If you take a look at anything, these two are the best imo
 
@CodyGray PHP was designed to be HTML but for servers so that makes sense
 
@CodyGray Yikes! Don't google for that. It is NSFW. Ask experts instead.
 
@Das_Geek I don’t have a Steam account or anything else. Never been much of a gamer. Only ever played 2 games: Tetris and Windows Solitaire.
@Dharman Do you know anywhere I can go to find experts? If only there was a site where experts hang out, and get sex changes.
 
8:21 PM
Do you mean Twitter?
 
lol @ expertsexchange
reminds me of powergenitalia and molestationnurseries
when missing punctuation and whitespace don't translate well into domain names
 
When you realize focus groups actually have a purpose after all.
@Dharman Ugh, I never mean Twitter.
 
indeed @CodyGray
 
Twitter is 100% what you make of it
You can easily fill your timeline with only thoughtful commentary from devs if you only follow devs. But you can also easily fill your timeline with junk if you follow random people or listen to what Twitter suggests on "who to follow"
 
I want to make it a platform to get meaningful, relevant information. Instead, I can only get bite-sized garbage in 240 character chunks.
 
8:30 PM
@CodyGray I don't think they get them, I think they are the ones performing them. You know, as opposed to amateursexchange
 
I can't get any more hats. Not that I need them, but it feels strange not getting them. I thought that at least the Warm Welcome would be easy, but new users never ask good questions.
 
s/do/don't
 
@LynnCrumbling Oh, that makes sense. That’s why I have to pay, right?
 
exactly.
 
@CodyGray Anyone here can probably surmise 'meaningful', but what is categorized as 'relevant' here? You want developer thoughts? Lawyers? Scientists? Mathematicians? Etc.
 
8:32 PM
the other site is totally free, but work quality may vary.
 
Or I can get one free if Google referred me
 
One of my go-to recommendations is SwiftonSecurity but then you also have to prepare for a lot of Cortana fanfic and corn facts
 
@TylerH Any and all. I am a man of many interests. Not picky about the nature of the content. Just don’t like the content itself. The only effective use of Twitter I’ve ever seen was academics who tweeted links to interesting papers. That actually fit in the character limit, and curated lists of papers from experts in the field was quite useful. But…I want more analysis.
 
Typically when I see such things, it's a tweet thread; you click the first tweet (which is typically a link to somewhere else in almost all [good] cases) and then there is a pre-written 'thread' of follow-up tweets analyzing the content
 
Yeah, I killed 15-20 minutes a while back reading SwiftOnSecurity. A handful made me chuckle. Most were really stupid. Not sure it was worth the time. Definitely wouldn’t want to get that nonsense in my inbox on a daily basis.
 
8:35 PM
I personally like the tweet-by-tweet reply system as it allows people to like, retweet, and/or reply to individual pieces of commentary
 
Ugh. Yeah, I hate that “read my thoughts in this series of 500 mini-tweets” nonsense.
 
but if it's not something that suites you, you can reply to the last tweet (or any? I dunno how it works) of a thread with @threadreaderapp or whatever it is (some service run for free) and "unroll" and the bot will create a single page of all the content and link it to you for more 'traditional' reading: twitter.com/threadreaderapp?lang=en
 
It doesn’t help that I still cannot figure out Twitter’s threading model. Maybe you have to have an account for it to work effectively?
 
@CodyGray Quite probably. I have seen some big differences between guests and logged-in users before
It may be easier to just go to threadreaderapp.com and type in keywords you're interested. Then you can find relevant threads others have already requested to "unroll" into a traditional format
that way you can skip twitter altogether
 
Why not just read people’s blogs?
 
8:39 PM
well if everyone is on the same blog platform and it has a discoverability platform, you could do that
that's kind of Twitter's sell, though
Unless you want to chance it with... erm... Medium... there's no other alternative that combines those two with the third key metric: "popularity"
but I avoid Medium like the plague
 
Most of what I’ve seen on medium is garbage
 
yep
 
There’s no quality filter
 
The term "pseudo-profound bs" really is an apt description of it
that's a good read, IMO ^
 
I fail to understand how Twitter is not that same exact thing, on a micro scale with a 10x more confusing interface
 
8:41 PM
Well, I have not ever found a good medium post before
I have found lots of good Twitter posts
so the difference is Medium's format is better, but Twitter's content is better
and the available user pool is much bigger & better than the pool of users who write medium posts
you could also just follow certain hashtags
 
@TylerH Started skimming, noticed it classifies Deepak Chopra’s work as bullshit => confirmed
The real problem is that too many people are idiots. It’s not a failure to detect bullshit. In far too many cases, you can point it out and label it, but that won’t stop people from thinking it is meaningful.
 
@CodyGray Not even Spider Solitaire? Wow
@CodyGray I can't tell you how many "Quantum Force/Realm/Energy" books my parents have bought. Total crap
Quantum physics is hard math, confusing diagrams, and tears
 
@Das_Geek Have played that, actually. Was about the only thing Windows Me was good for. Had a crappy laptop back in the day with Me on it, and used to kill time playing Spider. When I wanted to actually do work, I switched to my main driver, which was a PowerBook. Why did I carry two laptops? I forgot. I’m sure there were reasons.
@Das_Geek Buy ‘em one of Brian Greene’s books this year for Christmas. Good intros to quantum energy and physics. Not bullshit.
@Das_Geek Indeed, tearing is a potentially big problem :-)
 
8:57 PM
@CodyGray Perhaps, though I have my doubts. I'm skeptical of anything that sensationalizes the subject. Imo, too much effort is made into forcing some sort philosophy onto the notion of uncertainty. Like, it's a collection of statistical likelihoods, and has no profound implications for anything mystical
It has some profound implications for secure communications and potentially computation, but I don't have enough knowledge of the field to say. I only had the time to take the basic 500-level courses for it
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@CodyGray I think that's one of my favorite theories. No idea how likely, but it sounds better than a collapse.
Plus then I get to say "Fate of the universe? Big Rip!"
 
@Das_Geek It doesn’t sensationalize. It was an entirely serious recommendation, meant to contrast with the sensationalist bullshit they’ve gotten over the years. Greene is a serious scientist who treats the physics in a very clear, understandable way.
 
@CodyGray Good to know. I didn't actually look at the books, just the covers. I guess I shouldn't have judged the books by...ah you know
 
Sure, I know: the Amazon star rating :-)
 
Exactly
 
Why judge a book by its cover when you can let someone else do it for you?
 
9:08 PM
 
@Dharman Yes. Not necessarily a bad question, even for an SE site, but out of scope for SO these days. It’s more of an architecture or high-level question. Might fit on SE.SE.
Too old to migrate, of course. I just closed it.
 
@CodyGray StackExchange.StackExchange?
oh wait
software engineering, right
 
Software Engineering nee Programmers nee Not Programming Related
aka Stack Overflow’s Toilet Bowl
Restrictions: I need a web app or a desktop app. Umm. At least we aren’t excessively limiting ourselves. What else is there?
 
@CodyGray quantum app?
 
Oh, yeah, I guess that means it cannot be both web and desktop at once.
Which is not a thing, of course.
 
9:16 PM
Technically a quantum app would be a desktop and web app at once, at least until you loaded it up
superposition is a glorious thing
 
Don’t think that one is high enough quality to consider migrating
 
9:57 PM
I think they also changed the pop up message when you are out of votes. It is pink now. I can't remember what it was before, but it looks different.
 

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