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12:00 AM
I suspect the docs mention is a red herring in this case.
 
Yeah… “please help me locate an off-site resource” is different from “how do I do this?”
Naturally, the correct way to do something is probably going to be in the docs, but that doesn’t make it a resource request. It’s been discussed before, but please be cautious when applying that close reason.
 
user10957435
12:13 AM
The thing is, I think the question lacks a clear problem statement (unless my lack of domain knowledge is prohibiting me from seeing the question here). As such, it should probably be closed.
 
@Chipster That is fine, since it is a different close reason :-)
I don't think anyone is saying it is not off-topic, just that the mention of the docs is not enough to make it a resource request.
 
user10957435
I got you, now.
 
(FWIW I won't request a close myself, but if you would like to, go ahead. I did ponder editing it, but I was not sure how to do it without making it less clear).
 
user10957435
12:44 AM
@halfer I think I'll forgo an official request this time, partially because it is linked in the transcript already. If I think it's worth an official request, I'll add it. Right now I'm willing to wait and see what happens.
 
 
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7:09 AM
 
7:53 AM
@tripleee Once more there is a suggested edit. I reviewed, you might want to review, too?
 
@Vega thanks, done
now that was a supremely useless edit suggestion
 
Quick question: the tag has been added to a question by a high-rep user (as thing that's one line of code). Meta tag and warrants burnination, or fair tag to indicate a requirement?
 
8:23 AM
@ErikA How do you define a oneliner? In PHP I can put all the code in one line,I think the same in C
 
Well, that's sort-of the point, I'm not a fan of the tag
 
8:44 AM
@Dharman it was particular popular for BASIC as it needed a linenumber and each line could have at most 256 bytes. It is more a code-golf challenge then anything else.
@ErikA goes in the same category as code-golf
 
@ErikA I would approach this user and ask them why they created it. If they don't want to discuss or disagree with you, then raise it on meta.
 
I've just removed it and left a comment indicating we discussed it here and he can contact me. It's only a single question with the tag, let's not bring meta into that
 
Are we being reasonable?
 
 
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10:32 AM
@Lankymart OP replied to your comment (but did not ping)
 
10:59 AM
@Kyll honestly was pretty concise about the overhead of using outlook when it's not necessary but as usual, they seem to either ignore that or completely miss the point.
 
 
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1:45 PM
How do I flag a question that's not really a question it's just someone trying to document their code online?
 
@WhatsThePoint flag as unclear, we'll get to it in the cvq ...
 
@WhatsThePoint Unclear or custom but I'd just go with unclear so it doesn't leave a comment
 
ah well in this instance I went with no repro
 
user10957435
3:04 PM
The queue is now 4.7k! Getting closer, guys!
 
With the new threshold, should we bring back review events? @rene
 
I'm in favor
do we bring back closey as well?
 
The queue usually gets smaller in the wintertime, right? How much of it is actually attributed to the 3-CV?
 
@Kyll I have reviewed Stack Overflow and found it lacking
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@rene In favor as well
 
user10957435
3:15 PM
@Dharman It did the same thing during the test, then went back up to like 8k. So I think might just not have enough data to tell, but early signs point to the 3-CV threshold.
 
3:30 PM
@Chipster Do note that there is no recent activity there and we require that for old questions.
 
user10957435
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica Ah. Sorry. It came up in a search for possible duplicates of this question, so I thought it was worth closing since it might be a dupe target soon. I will keep that in mind in the future.
 
user10957435
Can I not only reject an edit, but also flag it as spam, or is there no easy way to do that? (For reference, my last cv-pls request has a spam edit pending on it)
 
user10957435
Oh, wait. Nvm. That's one of the reject reasons. Silly me...
 
user10957435
I guess in that case I have a different question: Does rejecting as spam auto flag it as such, or will it just get rejected?
 
@Chipster All I know is the edit gets rejected as long as that is how the review is completed. I'm not sure if anything else in the back end happens like an auto flag
 
@Chipster I don't think spam edit rejections are flagged automatically
 
4:14 PM
@Kyll then I hope your C is as sharp as mine ...
 
I could have sworn we had an what flags are raised automatically post on meta but I can find it now.
 
user10957435
That's a shame if it doesn't. I think that user also posted a spam answer on the same question. Anyway, thanks for your help. I might ask @CodyGray when he comes around, as he might know for sure what happens.
 
user10957435
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica are you talking about this guy?
 
Yep. SO search has failed me once again
 
user10957435
It's taken a while, but I've gotten better at finding these things. At least better than I was.
 
user10957435
4:19 PM
Side note: 2 rollbacks by the same user seems to be enough to get an auto flag for a mod to get involved.
 
@Chipster My down fall was I searched for auto flag, but the question uses automatically flag, so it doesn't find it. Not sure why SO can't add a little bit of fuzziness to their search.
 
user10957435
Yeah, I like Google for searching SO a lot better than SO's actual search.
 
user10957435
Anyway, I don't see anything about spam flags raised by the system. Might have to dig deeper.
 
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica Does Elastic comes with a Fuzzy=on setting?
 
@Chipster It says if the user has too many in a short time an auto flag will be raised so that is probably the most of it. Users also get rate limited on edits if they get rejected so that also helps to combat the problem.
@rene Per google it looks like it can be configured.
 
4:24 PM
meh
no cv's in queue
;(
\o/
 
@kayess Success \o/
 
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica \o
 
user10957435
That's true. So spam editing should get caught if done often enough. Still, It'd be nice if a spam reject was treated as spam somehow.
 
choo choo
 
user10957435
@kayess what tag?
 
4:25 PM
@Chipster i mean in the cv-pls requests search page
where you can filter, etc.
included in the US bundle
:>
 
user10957435
Oh. I thought you were in the queue and had no more questions come up.
 
nah that's endless
more likely as a black hole
 
user10957435
Certain subsets aren't endless. The smaller tags can get cleared once in a while, especially with the new threshold.
 
4:33 PM
@kayess oooh I can see my post...
 
user10957435
If anyone's curious, it seems like there is a vandalism edit auto flag, but it's unclear if it is referring to spam as well, and if there are any penalties applied to it.
 
 
 
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6:35 PM
I looked at the review actions and I'm not seeing anything really egregious. Don't think it is worth a mod flag.
 
6:53 PM
I love that review summary... "Item reviewed 15 hours ago: <user> reviewed item 15 hours ago: Reviewed"
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@TylerH I wonder what they did Edit: /s
 
@Machavity would you mind sweeping my "^ somehow..." comment as well? Now it is pointing to a different post and seems confusing.
Please and thank you.
 
@SecretAgentMan Done and you're welcome
 
I didn't know one user review is enough in the "First Posts" queue
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7:21 PM
@Vega Same for Late Answers
 
If the question is non-english, but the answers are english and upvoted is it still ok to delete?
 
@Dharman It's OK to close, but maybe not delete
depends on the score and the views (and the understandability of the question otherwise)
 
@TylerH Take this question for example. It has 2k views and the answers are upvoted. stackoverflow.com/questions/53241368/…
 
@Dharman Looks like a lot of people would be able to translate that and make it keepable (which I've now done)
 
I don't know. I have seen a meta sometime ago, which said we should not translate.
 
7:29 PM
Well, if the question is open/new, I agree it should be OP's prerogative to translate
 
user10957435
Yes, there is a meta that says something to that effect.
 
However for an old one that is already closed that has multiple upvoted and accepted answers, it's a different situation IMO
 
Site guidlines are do not machine translate. Vote to close as unclear. If you know the language, then you can translate yourself.
 
@Dharman Like this? or this?
 
and translating such a question doesn't necessarily mean it's worth reopening. or not still worth deleting.
 
7:44 PM
@Machavity Is the SEO flag the same as the MCVE one? I just read this (your comment) and was still unsure.
 
@SecretAgentMan SEO is a custom reason. MCVE is a stock one
 
@Machavity I see. Thanks for clarifying.
 
Hurroh everyone ... /o
 
@tink That reminds me of kim jong il from team america.
 
@Machavity :o
 
user10957435
8:16 PM
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica Um, aren't the kim jongs from Korea?
 
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica =D
 
@Chipster Yes, but there is a movie called team america and they parody kim jong il in it.
 
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica it's very cringey and non-PC but soooo funny ;D
 
He was pretty ronery, iirc
 
user10957435
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica Oh. I was going to say, don't make america accept the blame for the kim jongs!
 
8:19 PM
@tink Very non-PC but yeah, funny as heck. I heard it took them 4 times of submitting the movie to go from NC-17 to an R rating.
 
I believe another trivia point is that they were so fed up with the rating struggles, that they put in "that puppet scene" so the reviewers would have to watch it.....and it passed
 
heh
 
8:41 PM
 
8:55 PM
@Machavity I wouldn’t call that “giant”...it fits on my phone screen without scrolling. I don’t really have the expertise to evaluate its relevance, but it seems superficially related.
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica site guidelines for questions are do not translate, whether machine assisted or because you speak the language. For answers, go ahead and translate however you see fit, as long as you salvage the answer.
@Chipster Unrelated to spam/abusive flags, and no associated penalties. Must be manually reviewed by mods.
@Chipster Spam rejection reason on edits does nothing special. It just rejects the edit. Mods won’t ever see it. If it’s truly spam, see if the user has posted and has anything else you should be flagging as spam.
@ErikA meta tag; not appropriate. Tags describe the content of the question, not guidelines/requirements for answers.
Seems it didn’t get recreated, though, so probably don’t need any support there.
Hopefully now everyone is well and confused by my backwards perusal of the transcript.
 
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9:14 PM
Not even one question, worthy of answering... they are about to extinct I guess
 
If an OP is being argumentative instead of editing their question, what’s the proper action to take?
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica DV and walk away
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Serially downvote all their answers. Then mod flag. Why leave us with only one problem to address?
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@CodyGray Then get suspended for voting irregularities? ;)
 
9:19 PM
If it’s a question, and they won’t take your advice, vote to close. Unless the edits are actively harmful, then do flag for mod attention.
 
@CodyGray Only if there is a reason to close. Don't CV out of spite.
 
@CodyGray Normallly, when playing the "Good Mod :: Bad Mod" game, you'd need a "Good Mod" around` 😉
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@Dharman Sure. I’m assuming the dispute is over adding additional clarifying info to the question.
@AdrianMole Can I not be both?
 
Yeah, they had a negative edit complaining about downvotes, I reverted it. If they keep doing it I’ll mod-flag it.
 
@CodyGray More to the point, the other answers explain what to do. That one is just a long "Here's how I do it" answer. It contains the actual answer, but it's so buried (and not explained) there's no way to find it useful
 
9:22 PM
Aaah - I didn't understand! Still, you're never really alone with schizophrenia.
 
@AdrianMole I appreciated the humor
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Ugh. Thanks.
Halfer is a great example of how to deal with these situations, btw. He’ll edit to remove the noise. If the OP rolls it back, and ignores his advice, he’ll raise a custom mod flag and ask us to review. He’s always very respectful in how he raises the flag, not assuming he is right, but asking a mod to evaluate and step in if warranted.
@M-- Do you not think that question can be rephrased to ask for a solution, as opposed to a recommendation?
“I want to generate this using x. I have tried y.”
It is not a problem that the answer ends up being a tool. (Or that the answerer is a tool.)
 
9:40 PM
@AdrianMole That excerpt does not appear to be very useful to me. What tag(s) am I supposed to use instead?
Also...there are no questions having that tag. So...what are you asking us to review this for?
 
was this tag just created?
 
Just thought it looked a bit odd - or is that how to go about having a tag deleted?
 
Tags delete themselves when they have no questions to their name.
Happens automatically. There’s a script that runs at 3 AM or some such time.
A tag can’t be created without applying it to a question, so it would have shown as being attached to at least one question. Most likely explanation is tag was created, excerpt was suggested, then tag was removed (because it’s useless, if the suggested except is to be believed). But if that’s the case, there’s no point in creating an excerpt or wiki. Just don’t create a useless tag.
@tink How in the world is that a request for an off-site resource? Did you post the wrong link?
 
I didn't create it. In fact, I've yet to achieve that particular task - will I get a badge for it? :)
 
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@CodyGray IMHO, no. It lacks a reproducible example as explained there for
 
9:47 PM
@M-- Not all questions require a reproducible example. That’s only for “debug my code” questions. This isn’t a debugging question. It’s a “How do I…?” question. Sometimes those need context (which you might be confusing with needing a reproducible example), but I don’t see what additional context that needs.
@AdrianMole Yes. Tag creation is a privilege requiring 1.5k rep. Tags are created by editing a question and adding a tag to it that did not previously exist. Tag creation does have badges associated with it.
 
Talking of reviews, I just rejected this one being absolutely convinced it was an audit, but just got the "Thank-you for reviewing 20 edits" message. Is somebody trying to emulate the Edit Audit?
 
user10957435
@CodyGray How exactly do I flag an edit as spam? If it's a question or an answer, of course I just hit "flag," but if the reject reason doesn't add a spam flag, how should I properly alert a mod of a spam edit? Perhaps a custom on the question/answer where the edit was attempted?
 
@AdrianMole it’s an audit. You were just out of reviews.
 
@AdrianMole This is an audit...
 
user10957435
@AdrianMole To add to what Cody Gray is saying, if there are questions in that tag, and you feel it should be deleted, you can have a tag burinated.
 
9:52 PM
So, no "Congratulations..." because I hit the limit (already in the 'second 20' batch, by then).
 
@Chipster Yes, flag the associated post if necessary. Suggested edits cannot be flagged. It isn’t necessary to flag all edits, of course. Only if it’s well and truly spam, and you actually think we need to blacklist something.
 
M--
@CodyGray I might be very well wrong. But to answer this question, I need more than what has been provided. There are more experienced users in r who might be able to address this with what's there, but the existing answer is not the one I'd upvote as helpful (nor I'd downvote). All in all, I still doesn't consider that question to be a "good question" which should be left open.
 
@Chipster That isn’t what I’m saying. Let’s leave “burninations” out of this.
 
user10957435
@CodyGray Sorry.
 
As it happens, I've not yet felt the need to create a tag. There are already so many.
... I even found a the other day -wow! (Talk about time-travel.)
 
user10957435
9:55 PM
@CodyGray Got you. Noted. This instance, I believe the same user had already added a spam answer on the same question and was attempting to ruin the question too with spam. I just was hoping they would get penalized twice for it.
 
I created PHP-8 and that is not even developed yet.
 
@M-- What more information would you need? The quality of the answer is not a reason to close a question. If you need more information, ask for that. But asking for an MRE is confusing, since a “How do I do…?” question doesn’t need an MRE. Consider “Hiw do I force a window to be always on top?” That’s a valid question and doesn’t need an MRE. It does need elaboration about which programming language, which environment, which platform, what type of window, etc. But it doesn’t need any code.
@AdrianMole That’s normal. Tag creation is quite rare today, unless it’s for a newly released tool/technology. It does happen. :-)
 
@CodyGray as far as I'm concerned he's expecting us to reproduce the fairly exhaustive rationale behind spell-checks suggestion
 
As it happens, my first real programming was on a PDP-11 (not counting playing around in Basic with my mates' ZX-81 and BBC-Micro). Fortran-IV - wonderful!
 
@CodyGray You would need a roof window. Normal windows can only be mounted in a wall
 
9:58 PM
@Chipster No real advantage in a double penalty, unless it’s an established account that has more than 100 rep to lose, and then it’s probably not actually spam that merits the rep penalty. This is a good example, though. If they’ve submitted a spam post, you don’t need to find a way to flag the spam suggested edit. The account has already been dealt with by flagging the spam post.
 
user10957435
@CodyGray Good to know. More information I will store for later. As always, thanks for taking time to explain.
 
@Dharman And the lab I worked in also had a PDP-8 - I just loved the way the register lights flashed and clicked just before it was going to print out an answer. :)
 
@tink So? If I ask a question about a compiler error, you’d need to reproduce the rationale for the parser in the answer, too. That doesn’t make the question off-topic, and it certainly doesn’t make it a resource request. It’s possible the question might need to be closed, I’m not sure (but it doesn’t look like it to me), but it defintely isn’t a resource request, and closing it as that would be extremely confusing.
@Dharman A skylight! A window that is always on top of other windows. Next question: how do I make my window always on top of everybody else’s “always on top” windows?
 
@CodyGray fair enough. But the info is all there ... i don't think I can change the reason, though?
 
@tink When I saw it I even wanted to answer, but then I realized that it is a little unclear.
 
10:04 PM
@tink You can’t change the reason for your vote. But you could change the reason for your request in here.
 
Who can remove my old request from here? Happy to post a different one ...
 
user10957435
Next question: How can I make a window manager from scratch that has a hole in it that allows my window to be on top of everybody else's regardless of what they do (unless they use the same hole, of course!)?
 
@tink You’d need a room owner. I don’t know how to move messages on mobile, if it’s even possible.
 
@Chipster You could promote a window cleaner to be a manager.
The last slanted one was TylerH
 
@Chipster Write your window manager in PHP using an old version of MySQL. Big holes in that, I hear. Plenty of room for windows.
 
10:07 PM
Let's hope one comes along then (or notices this if they're already here)
 
user10957435
@Dharman lol.
 
user10957435
@CodyGray Better yet, make your window manager from regex.
 
You should ping one of them (the one active most recently is generally a good bet), with a link to the request you want binned.
 
@tink link me to the one you need binned.
 
user10957435
Nathan Oliver - reinstate Monica, and TylerH look like they're still around. Makyen is almost always around. Rene is here too.
 
user10957435
10:10 PM
Or Rene will just show up before I can hit send...
 
yw
 
user10957435
:D
 
Just mentioning lawnmowers or herbicides typically works for me
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@CodyGray What about being positive? Try mentioning Miracle-Gro next time (fertilizer for flowers) :)
something something more flies with honey
 
@tink is it this one?
 
10:15 PM
@rene , @TylerH - yes
 
@TylerH @tink @rene moved to /dev/null per OP request
 
@Das_Geek Being positive? Doesn’t sound like me.
 
Churr ... and with all the comments the guy edited the original so heavily that there's no more need for my flag ;)
 
@CodyGray And here I thought your glasses' prescription was positive
 
@tink Success!
 
10:19 PM
Heh. Nice when things work out like that @CodyGray ;)
Way too rare
 
@Das_Geek Nope. Prescription is for myopia.
 
@CodyGray I wanted to make a nearsighted joke, but I'm not seeing one
 
heh
 
Must be too close
 
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10:23 PM
@CodyGray in that link, it is said to provide a small portion of your dataset which represents your expected/observed results using a specific function called dput. I just talked about the answer to say that in my eyes it failed to address the problem because the question doesn't provide necessary info.; Not to use that as a reason for closing.
 
user10957435
When you admire their spirit, but the question would be better answered by a whole library of books...
 
M--
What I am asking for is a standard practice in the even reflected in the tag-wiki if I recall correctly.
 
Yes, because most R questions are "debug my code" questions. Just like most questions on this site. But not all.
 
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@CodyGray I am trying to approach this with an open mind. I am sure that I can help OP if they've provided output of dput(head(data)). They didn't do that. I can post something hoping that'd work for OP if their data is in the conventional format that I have in my mind. But that's not answering, that's guessing. That chain of thoughts lead me to CV. I don't have much more to explain. But I'd be happy to hear your inputs further.
 
I should preface this by saying that I don't know R, so it's entirely possible that I'm missing something obvious here. But, as I read the question, the user is asking how to create a plot that looks like <image>. Why, exactly, do you need to have a complete dump of their data in order to answer a question about how to create a certain type of plot?
 
user10957435
10:40 PM
If I run into a question that belongs on code review, should I close it? If I should, what reason should I give?
 
@Chipster Why do you think it needs to be closed? Does it fall under any of the standard reasons?
 
@Chipster Normally they are too broad for SO. If they are not TB then there really isn't a reason.
 
user10957435
@Dharman Because it is purely asking for feedback on a working program. Too Broad comes to mind as a possibility, but I wasn't sure.
 
@Chipster (et al.) There's a "Belongs on another SE site" close reason; presumably, if a Q is closed for that, it will be migrated? (Don't know how migration works, though.)
 
user10957435
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica That makes sense. What would not be considered too broad for this type of question?
 
user10957435
10:44 PM
@AdrianMole Yes, but Code Review isn't an option for that part of the dialog.
 
Depends on what they want. If they want a full code review, that's too broad. If they want help improving performance of a specific part, that's on topic.
 
@Chipster If the question goes along these lines: "My code works, but could I make it better" then you can close it, even using a custom close reason. If the question is more like "I used this workaround, but I am not sure if this should be done like this" then if not too broad can still potentially be answered here.
 
@Chipster That you think a question would be a better fit on another site is not a reason to vote to close. Questions should only be closed if they are off-topic for the site on which they are asked. There is a lot of overlap between SO's scope and Code Review's.
 
user10957435
Ah okay. Thanks everyone.
 
Actually solicing a code review is off-topic for SO, and that should be closed as "too broad".
 
user10957435
10:46 PM
@CodyGray Right. That makes sense.
 
If it's a good question, you can raise a flag to ask a moderator to migrate it. Or, just suggest that the asker delete and repost it themselves.
 
I have an autocomment in the form of: If you want help improving working code you should post this on [CodeReview.SE](https://codereview.stackexchange.com/help/how-to-ask). If you do decide to do so please delete the question here. that I use on posts that I vote to close for code review requests.
 
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica Please add a comma before "please".
You should also add one after "code".
 
Ta
 
user10957435
Hmm, this question is asking for "general feedback," so after this conversation I'm tempted to close as too broad. But I will keep the whole site overlap thing in mind for the future.
 
This completes your daily grammar lesson.
(Just kidding. It's never complete.)
 
No, it never is.
 
Yeah, "general feedback" is definitely too broad. Where I see people go wrong is someone asking for specific suggestions on how to improve a block of code, and reviewers saying, "oh, that would [possibly] be on-topic for Code Review, so I'mma vote-to-close it". That's wrong. Be a bit jealous of your site – don’t blithely turn askers away simply because their question could be asked somewhere else.
 
user10957435
Now if I could only stop spelling "grammar" as "grammer," I'd be set!
 
10:51 PM
@Chipster That's a trigger for me. Please address. Thank you kindly.
 
@Chipster It's because we are programmers ;)
 
user10957435
What's a trigger? My inability to spell?
 
Seeing "grammar" misspelled as "grammer"
 
user10957435
Ah. If you want, I can have an RO bin it :D
 
What about "kernal"?
 
10:55 PM
Just fix yourself so you don't make any more mistakes, then we'll all be good.
Ugh, Commodore.
 
I r being english general in kollage
 
Robert Russell ruined the entire platform for me. :-)
 
lol
 
user10957435
I've actually tried to crack down on that one already, because that one also really bothers me too, actually.
 
user10957435
10:58 PM
Text speech is something I've actually never understood. But then again, I didn't text a lot on the old 1-9 phones. I actually still don't text a lot unless I have to, actually, but that's beside the point...
 
user10957435
Lol, "Scope Gerrymandering." Somehow, I know exactly what that means, yet I've never heard of that before.
 
Anyone interested in reviewing my duplicate closure decision?
 
Gerrymandering is a fun word ... and an interesting way to bend democratic decision making by reshaping electorates ... :D
Highly immoral, in my not so humble opinion.
 
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@CodyGray First, maybe we are talking about different questions, but the CV/question you replied to originally wasn't asking for a plot. Beside that, I don't need the complete dump of data. function head gives only 5 rows (explained under the link I shared with OP). The reason I need that: Syntax would differ for different datasets/classes. P.S. OP provided an example dataset for the question I asked for CV and you replied to originally, so I'll retract and ask for nullifying req. Cheers.
 
Would you use Unclear or TB for this question from today? Or am I off-base and it's worthy of keeping open?
 
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11:11 PM
@SecretAgentMan TB, I'd say
 
@M-- tm
 
M--
Would you nullify this: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/41570?m=48139466#48139466 @Machavity @Makyen @ROs
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
11:28 PM
When should I mod flag a question for a review? I really don't understand this review; how can I fix this in the H&I queue? Seems like something for the OP, not the H&I reviewers. I remember a stray comment from @rene related to this recently. Is there a meta canonical I'm missing? (my search)
I ask because I'm wary to bothering the mods but then I stumble across this.
 
@SecretAgentMan How could this question be edited by us into a proper question?
 
@Dharman It can't, and the reviewers did it wrong. But how to make it less likely that the reviewers won't make the mistake again?
 
@CertainPerformance Hide the button "requires Editing"
 
^
 
@Dharman That's exactly that I'm saying.
 
11:37 PM
@M-- Maybe? It's possible I replied to the wrong one, since I was on mobile at the time. This is the question to which I was referring. It appears to be asking how to create the type of plot shown in the image in the question from R. I don't see why any sample data is necessary for that.
 
I'm fine with the old "DV and move on..." kinda of thing. But I recall @rene once mentioning to flag something like this for a mod. Was curious what that threshold is.
 
@SecretAgentMan I don't know what your question was about this review. The correct choices when reviewing that would have been downvoting, flagging, and/or voting to close. Mike, the reviewer, flagged it.
The reviewers in triage were, of course, wrong.
"Requires editing" is a recurring source of confusion.
 
@CodyGray You are right. Copy-paste error. I'm referring to this one. Thanks for correcting me. I'll do my penance in the Triage queue.
@CodyGray Would that triage one be flag worthy?
 
We have a boilerplate review ban message that attempts to educate reviewers about this problem.
> Your review on ... wasn't helpful. "Requires Editing" should only be used when other community users (like you) are able to edit/format the question into a better shape. If a question is unsalvagable and/or can only be improved by the author, please flag/vote to close or delete instead. For more information, see meta.stackoverflow.com/q/389148.
Yes, it probably would be. Everyone there made the wrong choice...
It isn't anymore, BTW. Being handled at the moment.
 
Should such clearly incorrect reviews be mod-flagged? On one hand, it'd (hopefully) help those people review better, but on the other, the sheer number of incorrect Requires Editing actions is pretty overwhelming
 
11:45 PM
across the two reviews that would be 7 reviewers who made wrong choices in my opinion. For 1 who made the correct decision.
 
@CertainPerformance Yeah.... Couldn't say it any better myself.
I'm happy to hand out review bans for incorrect decisions in review, but even aside from the sheer volume, the lack of visibility of review bans means they're actually a rather poor teaching tool.
 
I think most of the issues could probably be solved just by changing the button text, but they seem to have other priorities
 
On the H&I queue - this problem comes up all over the place on Meta (and elsewhere). As well as better use/education of/about "Requires Editing" in Triage, maybe there should be another option in H&I itself - "Doesn't belong here" sort of thing. Currently, we can Edit, Skip (leaves it in the queue for others) of VLQ flag (seldom correct) ...
 
I think requiring feedback after clicking "Requires Editing", similar to how you're forced to select a reason if you choose "Unsalvageable", would help deter a fair number of those bad reviews. I would imagine "Requires Editing" is an easy way to be non-committal while still upping your number of completed review tasks
 
@KenWhite Once is probably enough.
@AdrianMole Like the "question is very low quality" in the right sidebar?
 
11:53 PM
I went through a phase of using that - raises a VLQ flag, of which I had a lot declined by your colleagues. Explanation was the VLQ is a "Nuclear Option" and not for common use.
 
Yeah...
I will validate VLQ flags on questions if I think the question needs to be closed, but you are correct that several of my colleagues will not, and I understand why they won't: "Moderators aren't really supposed to be your personal question-closing valets..." (and the rest of paragraph 3).
 
Sometimes, just a simple "Should be closed instead" button may be nice. (What happens if one goes to the link, put in a close vote, then skip the post in H&I? Does the post still stay there?
 
Yes, that's what the "flag" button would do. It would pop up a menu of choices for flagging, including "should be closed".
I don't know. I'm not the right person to ask about the ins and outs of review.
 
@AdrianMole I had to do that yesterday. This is so baffling, why wouldn't I be able to close right away in the review
 
@Dharman I agree! That's sort of what a review queue should be, huh? (But is a Close Vote "Help" or "Improvement?")
 
11:58 PM
@CodyGray I got an error when I submitted (using the Chrome SOCVR userscript from Makyen). I closed the error dialog and hit submit again. Internet hiccups happen. :-) Didn't post twice intentionally.
 
The fact that every review queue doesn't have a "This is garbage and needs to be deleted" button is...a massive oversight in my opinion. But I don't have a Meta post to link to on that.
@KenWhite Ah, blame @Makyen. Say no more.
 
@CodyGray Never. It's gotta be Chrome. Or Verizon. Or my wifi card. Or Windows 10. Never Makyen!
 

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