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1:50 AM
Maybe I lost faith in the community: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/24822313
 
2:19 AM
@Cœur Another time, if you feel it can wait to be rolled back, flag for a moderator instead of rolling back. Moderators can override the approval of the suggested edit and reject it. This results in the user not getting the +2 rep for the edit, and brings the inappropriate approvals to their attention too. Unfortunately, once there's an edit after the applied suggested edit, including a rollback, moderators can no longer reject the edit.
 
2:29 AM
@Makyen True. I saw the vote count (3656) and I wasn't sure if I should wait or act as soon as possible.
 
2:56 AM
stackoverflow.com/a/59336524 Anyone know C#? I'm doubtful the code in the answer has anything to do with the question. If not, it's spam
 
3:37 AM
@MikeM. I'm curious how you found this candidate for deletion; I casted a delete vote yesterday but I didn't advertise about it; Yet today I'm finding two more delete votes by you and Hovercraft.
 
@Cœur I probably came across it in the recent delete votes. I usually have a look through that if I still have a majority of my delete votes toward the end of the day.
 
 
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6:28 AM
 
6:56 AM
@CertainPerformance Why link to answer ?
VLQ , dv and move on :). No, I don't think spam. Link with some context is valid answer .
 
7:31 AM
@CertainPerformance Technically, yes, that is spam, due to not disclosing they are linking to their own YouTube channel. However, my opinion is that if the answer is an actual answer to the question, then the OP should be given the opportunity to edit in disclosure of their affiliation with the linked site. In such instances, I normally leave a comment for the user linking to various Metas about the requirement for disclosure and self-promotion.
I also link to the help center's promotion page. After leaving the comment, I then schedule a revisit for a day or two in the future. When later revisiting, I check to see if the user has visited the site since I left the comment. If not, I'll wait a bit longer.
If the user has visited SO, or too much time has passed (variable, but usually at least days), and the disclosure has not been edited into the post, then I usually make a choice based on if I feel the post has more than minimal value. If it has value, then I may just edit in disclosure. If I don't feel it has value, then I'll vote to delete and/or treat it like spam.
If when I first visit the post I feel it has no value (e.g. it's NAA), then I'll treat it as having no value (e.g. downvote/vote to delete/flag as VLQ/NAA), but still leave a comment regarding the requirement for disclosure.
 
 
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12:19 PM
Plop folks
 
1:10 PM
Wat. I was just declined a flag to remove this comment
(as no longer needed)
 
Mh, I think there's a Meta on that
Looking for it
@E_net4isunsafe So, the idea is that since such comments directly aim at improving the answer (or descend into a pointless argument, but it's hard to tell from a single comment), then such comments are constructive
 
1:26 PM
@Kyll That position isn't consensual, though.
 
What do you call the consensus?
I mean to discuss it, but we should set the terms first ^-^
 
@Kyll More often than not, many will just tell you to flag such comments as noise. Only today has a flag under this rule of thumb been declined.
 
I think it may change with time: Such a comment posted a few years ago is, indeed, unlikely to be useful anymore
For more recent posts, it seems relevant
If you hear advice that this kind of comment should be deleted, then the Meta above could be a good resource for discussion. The two top answers seems to agree and accrue 400 upvotes, 300 on the most upvoted. It's an order of magnitude more than the third, which calls out these comments as noise.
Ah wait, the third answer is from a diamond.
 
It sure makes me wish this could be properly rehashed. That Meta question is aged, opinions and voting culture are known to change over time.
 
I agree with you. Do you feel like doing this Meta? You could provide context (your declined flag) and existing discussions (the Meta), then directly ask diamonds what should be the policy today
How can I have a "-2 User was removed" line on a reputation, for a site I never posted anything in? Aren't these messages only for upvotes or downvotes on posts?
 
1:40 PM
I kind of think there'd be a value in letting people address a comment to downvoters, including sending them a notification for example to ask why, or to say "edited, please check". I'd be inclined to limit it to once per post. I'd also think that it'd rarely be a good idea to respond. But I sort of think the option should be there.
@Kyll Have you edited a post that's been deleted?
 
@DavidW Aaah possibly yes
Thanks for the insight
 
It's barely an insight, more a wild guess
 
Good enough for 2 rep
@DavidW There's been quite a large number of Meta requests to be able to address downvotes, or request/require comments with downvotes, etc... Most of them never went through, IIRC because it's hard to make a system that will please everyone
 
@Kyll I know and that's why it's a comment here rather than a post on meta. I certainly wouldn't require comments with downvotes. My view is that if you could anonymously address downvoters just once it wouldn't be too intrusive. But there's probably little value in making the change even if people agreed with me (which they don't)
 
@DavidW I think that's a fine way for the downvoters to receive firsthand any offensive comment which may come around as a consequence of the downvote. And yes, these are not uncommon.
 
1:51 PM
There's a very good bot to detect those...
 
@Kyll If you mean the heat detector, that one really doesn't catch everything.
Just today I found a pretty offensive one which did not get caught by the current detection algorithms.
 
Really? I wasn't so active in the past couple years on SOBotics, not sure where it's at now
 
Sometimes it also stops working in some way. It might go down, or the Queen might fail to send the report to Hydrant, or something else. I am not sure if it is even running properly right now (checking...)
 
It's always possible to find new and creative offensive things to say
 
1:56 PM
Which is why we should set the right expectations for what downvotes are. If people stop treating them like a slap in the face, they won't try to slap faces back in other creative ways.
Anyways, maybe I should poke SOBotics now.
 
How about that Meta?
 
 
1 hour later…
3:14 PM
@Kyll or other room owners, please delete my close-vote request here. Thanks
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Done
 
 
1 hour later…
4:17 PM
This is a slightly odd one. User answered an old question, then posted a new self-answered question with an identical answer
 
5:11 PM
@DavidW I think you should mod-flag it. They posted 2 new questions from what I can see. This room cannot deal with stuff related to users, so we better not discuss it here. Get mod involved if you can't handle the situation and you think they are breaking the rules in any way.
 
5:43 PM
@Dharman You should only use fpu instead of fp if the problem is that the user's username is being inaccurately detected. Adding the u to fp puts the user on the username whitelist, which prevents reporting posts by the user, if and only if all reasons for detecting the post are reasons which are looking at the username. It does not prevent reporting the user's posts for any other reasons (i.e. for reasons which are detected in the title or post body).
Overall, the use of fpu is quite rare, but is sometimes necessary. We try fairly hard not to have detections which inaccurately target users just because of their username.
 
@Makyen This is why I don't have the smokey privileges. I though I was white listing the post.
 
@Dharman There's a significant amount to learn, but it's not too bad. :-; Basically, if the post isn't spam or rude/abusive, then the normal response is just fp (or fp-), or naa (or naa-). There are some special cases. You can read more about those in the Feedback Guidance.
 
@Dharman That comment was linked to a cv-pls which is now been moved. I think the situation was resolved by close voting the new question so I don't think it requires mod intervention. Although I take the point that this was possibly skirting a bit close to the line on being about a user more than a post
(So just to clarify the action was only on the new question, not on the answer to the old question. I honestly thought it looked like a decent answer)
 
 
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9:19 PM
Dumb question - What is "Luncheon Meat?" (I know what it is in real life, what does mean in context, here!)
 
9:46 PM
@AdrianMole It's not dumb, it's a good question. I even pondered on this myself. I always thought it just meant garbage string detected. As in some gibberish text. Usually people use it as filler text from what I have seen.
Don't ask questions, just keep on flagging. :D
 
… but I don't have any "Luncheon Meat" flags left!
 
Did you eat all of them already?
 
... excellent timing from Ole Smokey!
 
Don't get that one... They could just delete...
 
@BaummitAugen Unless they don't have the button.
... or simply don't see it
 
9:50 PM
@Dharman Why wouldn't they?
 
@BaummitAugen I think the button is not there for unregistered users and on mobile app
 
... yeah, I've seen such "self-vandalism" a few times, but still don't get why.
 
@Dharman I suppose the mobile app might explain it.
There we go.
 
@AdrianMole There's some information here.
 
@Makyen OK, so as Dharman suggested, it's gobbledegook. (Presumably, real spam has a link to some dodgy or self-serving site.)
 
11:14 PM
@Machavity tp
 
I suppose not every MS report comes into this room, right?
 
@Dharman Correct. If you want to catch see 'em all, you need to be in Charcoal. That's where the less certain ones are. Only the ones we are reasonably certain are spam come here
 

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