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12:06 AM
@Das_Geek Exactly. We’re in Silicon Valley, and the company doesn’t have much of a remote culture, unfortunately.
Really don’t need specialized knowledge of ultrasonics to write embedded software.
 
@CodyGray Yeah, I prefer it where it's cold haha. That and I'm still waiting on my security clearance, which will be super important for me later down the line.
I've had some fun with embedded stuff. Solar cars and satellites
 
@CodyGray Decisions can be part of a state machine. Depending on what you're doing, it can be completely hardware. There are significant trade-offs as to what to put in hardware and what to have in software, with the hardware to run the software.
 
@ArvindKumarAvinash While the duplicate being appropriate is debatable, the question is unclear as to exactly what the OP wants. They need to edit the question to clarify it.
 
12:23 AM
@Makyen - I do not see any issue with the question. However, I leave it up to you experts. I am new to SO and therefore my evaluation may be wrong.
 
@Das_Geek Never lived where it gets cold, so the jury is still out on that. I’m open to trying, but haven’t had a job opportunity present itself yet. My company doesn’t require security clearance. From what I’ve heard, getting that is a long, difficult process.
 
v with a rude edit
 
@Makyen Yeah, what I’m saying is in my experience, the trade off has always been solved in favor of pushing the complexity into software. Handling it in hardware is entirely uncharted territory to me. In particular, it shocked me when I heard you could have Wi-Fi or cellular connectivity support in an FPGA, without needing an MCU.
 
12:50 AM
@CodyGray There are significant advantages to pushing complexity into software. Software has much faster turn-around times, with vastly lower costs to make changes. Using an FPGA helps hardware come closer to the iteration times which are available to software, but at a cost, potentially a significant cost, to the base price of the product. That's a cost that often isn't needed, if there's going to be a CPU of some type in there anyway.
Without using an FPGA, or other field programmable hardware, the turn-around times for iterations can be weeks, or months, with costs ranging up to 6+ figures.
 
@CodyGray Yeah, the back log puts average wait time at 2 years
 
 
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4:59 AM
@CodyGray That's always been a weird concept to me as an Okie raised in Missouri. But then I moved to Florida where I meet people who have never seen snow. That just feels wrong.
 
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One time some friends an I took one of my Florida raised friends to see snow. It was kinda fun.
 
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@KenWhite Was this closed and reopened? I don't see any votes on it.
 
@Chipster Strange. I don't either, although I cast one. When I try to do so now, it tells me I've already voted to close it. I don't see anything in the hitstory that says closed/reopened either. ???
 
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@KenWhite Bizarre. I don't see that it was closed at all. Yet the only way I could think of that happening is it closing and reopening. That or a weird bug.
 
@Chipster: My fault. I retracted the close vote, and should have asked to have the cv-pls removed.
 
5:12 AM
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
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@KenWhite Ah. That makes more sense. I was going to say the OP seems to have added some code since then. That's also partly why I thought it could have closed and been reopened.
 
Revisions and/or timeline will show when a post has been closed and re-opened. My timeline view will also show who voted, and whether or not their vote was retracted. :-)
 
ninja'd :-)
 
@Chipster Yeah, that's my excuse and I'm sticking with it. :-)
@Makyen Always ahead of things. Got my request before I could post it. :-) Thanks.
 
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Yeah, I actually was looking at the timeline and didn't see it. It confused me even more. I'm still a tad new at this...
 
5:15 AM
It's very hard to find what you're looking for when it isn't there.
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@Makyen Lol. I appreciate your willingness to help, even if others are occasionally quicker than you :D
 
@CodyGray You had to point that out, didn't you? :-)
 
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@CodyGray Quote of the day.
 
@KenWhite np. :-) I was going to say "by implied request"...
 
@Makyen If I do it again, do I get another T-shirt?
 
5:17 AM
@KenWhite Sure... :-)
 
@Makyen Cool. I've just about worn out the last I made so many mistakes Makyen make me this shirt. Can I get it in light blue this time? The gray is sort of bleak this time of year... :-)
 
Soon, @KenWhite, you can get that on a hat.
 
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@KenWhite Is there a line of "I made so many mistakes Mayken made me this shirt" shirts? Can I have one? The Lord knows I've made a lot of mistakes.
 
@CodyGray Really? I didn't know that! Is it a winter hat, with ear flaps? I don't live in Silcon Valley - I'm in the Northeast, so it would come in handy. I guess you'd have to have the flaps to fit all that text. :-)
 
@KenWhite We're still selecting colors. We have to account for people in the southern hemisphere too. :-)
 
5:33 AM
@Makyen I thought I'd have some sort of pull here, because my collection is so large already. The Southern hemisphere has winter too, you know - they just don't get the same amount of snow.
 
@KenWhite I admit, I do like a good light blue. :-)
I think we can work something out. :-)
 
@Chipster Do you have the special @Makyen trophy for most extra help needed? You need that first before you can get in on the clothing line.
@Makyen Awesome! Headed out to my mailbox now to waiit... Brrrr! Nope. Waiting inside instead. Can you send tracking info?
 
@KenWhite Sure. It won't be picked up for a while, but I'll forward tracking info as soon as I have it.
 
@Makyen Excellent! You might consider throwing a couple of extras in, to save on future shipping costs. A darker blue and a deep red like burgandy would be nice.
@Chipster: See? Having several of those trophies pays off. :-)
 
@KenWhite Those both sound like the colors would work. I'll see what I can get.
 
5:42 AM
@Makyen Merry Christmas to me! Merry Christmas to me! There IS a Santa Claus!
 
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@KenWhite Lol. Not yet. Do you think I deserve a trophy, @Makyen?
 
@Chipster Well, that's a double-edge question. I wasn't really thinking that you'd gotten to the point of the most extra help needed trophy...yet. :-) But, if you want one, I'm not going to force you to just create situations where extra help is needed. :-)
 
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@Makyen Lol. I can create some situations like that if you like ;). Anyway, I suppose it's good to know I'm not that much of a problem that I need a trophy yet :D
 
@Makyen: Extra Christmas cheer! I feel so special that I have the trophies now! It justifies the expense of the shelving unit I bought to hold them. (Do you know offhand if I can deduct that on my taxes?)
@Chipster Not fair if you do it intentionally. I earned all of my trophies honestly by really being helpless. Don't be cheating - I' worked for my accomplishments. :-)
 
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5:58 AM
@KenWhite lol :D
 
@KenWhite It depends. If you're an independent contractor/run your own business, then it could qualify as a business expense. Unfortunately, if you're an employee, unreimbursed employee expenses really aren't deductible anymore. :-(
 
@Makyen Darn. Oh,well... The shelves with all those trophies is a wonderful conversation piece, at least. As always, thanks for the help. :-) I'll add tax advice to the list of things you can help with - that list is getting pretty long. I may need an app....
 
:-) I'm happy to help where I can. :-)
 
 
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9:47 AM
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10:00 AM
Can anyone give me a second opinion on the comment thread here? I tried to tell the answerer to edit their post with an explanation, but it seems I am being completely misunderstood
 
@Adriaan I'd say you were being clear
 
Do we want to delete this closed, 10YO resource requestio in ? stackoverflow.com/q/2461852/5211833
 
Yes, we do
There is another one
 
@DalijaPrasnikar ouch, one of the linked dupes is a rabbit hole of dupes :s
Out of delv-votes for the day, That doesn't happen often
 
10:17 AM
I still have some... if you have anything else...
 
Finished my list, including the Java PDF library chain, so I'm set for the time being. Thanks anyway!
 
 
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12:26 PM
Sorry for the dump, just had 5 minutes to go through and clean-up.
 
Which flag do you use best to reflect "lack of attempt" (Eg. here)?
 
@kvantour Downvotes, usually.
"This question does not show any research effort [...]"
I guess you could use "Needs details or clarity", but I'm a little unsure since these choices are fairly new to me, having just returned to SO after a hiatus.
 
@J.Steen Thanks.
 
Pardon the hammer here, the shell tag should not have been applied here. Anyway, if you don't think the duplicate applies, please edit your question to clarify how exactly this is different. — tripleee 9 secs ago
 
I am trying to decide what the best close reason is for this: stackoverflow.com/q/59118196/8239061. Is this considered "General Computing"?
 
@SecretAgentMan We have a set of canned custom closure reasons, one of which is for Customer Support questions like that
 
@Machavity I was looking for something like that but the closest I see is "Blatantly Off Topic", I just re-looked at all closure menu options. I'm not seeing it but this isn't the first time I've ridden the SO struggle bus. Thanks for confirming.
 
3:01 PM
@Adriaan It'll probably show up on Shog's list of 'top questions the community deleted this year' for review by Meta
 
@TylerH I'm ready to defend it; two answers made last month were already deleted through review, and the other answers haven't been updated since 2010, which I consider quite old for a tool-rec
 
sure; the post is usually just a 'let's double check' thing
@Machavity missed an opportunity to call the Canned Custom Closure Comments there
 
@TylerH Is there already such list?
 
@TylerH I prefer Canned Custom Closure Posts.
 
@Dharman yes at least one that I know of: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/378437/…
 
3:34 PM
Hi, I just saw a post [Closed] 19 hours ago: Stack Overflow doesn't display [On hold] anymore?
 
@Cœur I think that's correct. I recall reading something about it being done away with
but I can't remember where
cc @Makyen or @rene do you recall by any chance where that was mentioned?
 
In the new close reasons post?
 
possibly...
 
Oh, on the blog I guess, so that it's hard to comment on it: stackoverflow.blog/2019/12/05/…
 
It's shown here but they don't detail the change as far as I can see.
 
@Machavity You must've had quite the large manual list
 
@TylerH Archiver got 9. Manually added the Spam report
 
interesting
I ran it a moment prior and only got 2
 
@DalijaPrasnikar We do have [tag:spam] for that (helps identify it as a request)
 
3:58 PM
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica Found it; it was explained today in this question: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/339700/…
 
Which means I'll now have to manually check if closure dates are at least 5 days old before doing edits, to prevent the undesired reopen-queue effect. :/
 
4:16 PM
@TylerH I've never seen it mentioned as a deliberate choice, nor the reasoning behind doing it. Personally, I feel "closed" is distinctly less welcoming than a period of being "on-hold". Having the question being "on-hold" gives a much stronger impression that there's the possibility of improving the question to have it taken off of "hold" and back to being a normal question. Going directly to "closed" has more finality. It is, IMO, likely to be significantly more discouraging to OPs.
 
@Cœur I'm sure there's a user script that already highlights that
 
What I really don't understand is that this entire change to the new post notices was intended to be more "welcoming" (i.e. basically to make people feel better about questions not being appropriate for the site), but eliminating the "on-hold" period is directly contrary to that goal.
 
@Makyen well according to the post Coeur linked above, Yaakov mentions it was just confusing to new users
I would posit that 'new users' could be replaced with 'less discerning individuals'
 
From the MSE post:
>However, user research showed that this distinction was generally found to be confusing to users at all levels, and did not seem to have an effect on reopen rates.
 
@TylerH Other than people who are not that familiar with English, which, admittedly, is a lot of people, I don't see where there is any confusion as to the difference between "on-hold" and "closed". If there is confusion, then that's the job for a link or tooltip to explain it.
 
4:21 PM
Supposedly the distinction didn't make a difference for people trying (and succeeding) to reopen
Though I do not know what "user research" means/entails
 
@SecretAgentMan The close-flag dialog has "blatantly off-topic". The close-vote dialog doesn't have that option, but does have a textarea in which you can enter a custom reason. For flags, you have to stick with one of the provided options. However, which one you use, other than "duplicate", doesn't really matter all that much. Which you choose is used when close-voters are filtering the close-vote queue, but the exact close-flag is generally unused, other than for CV-queue filtering.
 
4:46 PM
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica Ummm... Is the dup-target just not the right one/a good one on this? This question was the only dup of the question to which it was closed as a duplicate. I don't see how it can be that we should delete the only duplicate because it's the a nth dup.
 
@Makyen There are many questions asking the same thing. Not all of them are closed to the same thing. Point is we don't need more of the same thing. Had the OP googled they would have found an answer in the first or second link in google.
 
@Das_Geek It means "no a/b testing, no data-analysis, but a few individual paid interviews with people using Stack Overflow for their first time"
 
@Cœur Is it limited to first-time users? From the quote I put up, the terminology was purportedly confusing "at all levels". I would think that in order to make that statement one would need to actually have data from all levels of user.
 
@Das_Geek There was a bit of exaggeration in my previous message.
 
5:02 PM
@Cœur Ah, gotcha. I do appreciate the explanation
 
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica OK. Here's the thing from my POV: When I see a delete request reason like "unneeded duplicate" or "nth duplicate" I think "oh good, a del-pls I can probably help with, because it doesn't require as much SME, due to being an obvious dup. So, I go to the question, expecting to find that the dup-target has a large number of duplicates linked to it. When the dup-target does have a lot of duplicates pointing to it, then it's a lot easier to evaluate if the original question has value
 
If it was a byte of an exaggeration it would have been 8 times more exaggerated.
 
as a signpost. If there are already lots of signposts, then for something to be adding significant value, it needs to be a really good additional signpost. Evaluating that often, but not always, doesn't require much in the way of SME.
So, when a del-pls is posted with a request reason like "unneeded duplicate" or "nth duplicate", I'm quite disappointed and a bit confused when the dup-target doesn't have lots of duplicates pointing to it. At a minimum, I've wasted my time trying to evaluate it. Potentially more important is that the request may be in error. Thus, I feel I need to ask the person who posted the request what's going on.
I'm not trying to single you out in this. It's actually something I see happening quite a bit in here on del-pls requests from multiple people. It's also come up a couple of times in the last couple days, so I'm a bit more sensitive to it, at the moment.
Overall, it also concerns me that other people are just quickly voting to delete on such requests, particularly where they don't appear to have SME.
 
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica Subject Matter Expert
 
Subject matter Expert, or Subject Matter Expertise. My use above was as "Subject Matter Expertise".
 
@Makyen Thanks for saying this, even though I don't have delete privliges, I'd been wondering just what makes a dupe "unneeded" given the strong preferences for signposts
 
@gunr2171 And if you multiply it again by eight, you'd have doubled it
 
@Makyen You're always free to not handle the request. Any C++ person would know this has been asked answered for years.
 
ah man, you schooled me. You going to take me to class?
 
5:07 PM
@gunr2171 Only if it's in a public school
 
will you be my friend (VB.Net keyword, similar to protected i think)
afk for lunch
nope, it's the same as internal
 
@gunr2171 It's in C++, as well. I'm sure I can extends my friendship to you
 
@gunr2171 In c++ only your friends can touch your private parts...
 
D:
 
oh boy.....
 
5:09 PM
As long as the child can't access them
 
@robsiemb That's friends with benefits
 
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica That's my expectation. I just normally expect that to be demonstrated by the dup-target having lots of other duplicates pointing to it. When it's not demonstrated by that, it makes it such that the del-pls really can't be evaluated by someone who isn't already involved in the C++ tag. It also raises the question as to if the del-pls is linked to the intended question.
 
@TylerH yeah, please be welcome to the new Post Notices that are no longer [On Hold]
 
5:53 PM
Does anyone know how to link their account with the blog page? I keep typing in my email and name every time.
And I see other people with links to their Stack Overflow pages and their icons on the comments.
 
6:22 PM
@JL2210 huh? I always thought there was no such link at all.
 
@Machavity Thanks! I was in a hurry so I didn't have time to check (literally shutting down, and that thing was up for way too long)
 
7:17 PM
 
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica I am not C++ SME and even I knew that this question should not be asked again. Googling it comes up with many existing questions suggesting a use of Vectors. If the question nor the answer doesn't add any useful information and googling the exact problem already produces the expected results I have no objections to delete.
 
7:37 PM
morning all /o
 
afternoon o/
 
Evening (0
 
@ekad MORE UNDERSCORES (person who close voted)
 
8:32 PM
Does a flagged answer remain in the review queue if it gets edited?
 
@SardarUsama LQP, no. NAA, yes.
All other flags are not affected by edits
 
ok thanks
@Machavity My NAA flag is marked helpful but the answer is still there and it is clearly not an answer
 
@SardarUsama That depends on the flag that was used and if it's edited as the review task (i.e. using the blue "Edit" button on the review page). If the blue "Edit" button on the review page is used, then that ends the review. In all such cases, the review is complete (i.e. the post is removed from the review queue). If the "edit" button is used from the post's question page, then what @Machavity said is how it works.
 
@SardarUsama The answer was deleted by the OP. That automatically marks your flag helpful. The OP later undeleted it
 
^ that
 
8:37 PM
oh I see. Thanks for the clarification
 
 
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9:55 PM
My custom close reason comment on ^that one^ was apparently flag-deleted. That doesn't seem right. Why would a mod remove that?
 
Do you know what it said?
 
My standard: I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it concerns Google Play Store policies and procedures, rather than programming. Please refer to: Are developer-centric questions about application stores on topic?‍, Why can't I ask customer service-related questions?
 
Not sure why that would be deleted. You'd have to ask on meta.
 
Yeah, that's more effort than I'm willing to put forth. I'll just whine about it, instead.
 
"Standard" is right: almost 300 comments saying exactly that. (Playing with a new per-user comment view they just rolled out.) Anyway...that one was deleted by a moderator in response to an "unfriendly" flag. As for why? Sigh...I don't know. Some moderators will just delete any comment that is flagged...
Folks think I'm crazy for actually reading each comment that is flagged.
 
10:02 PM
I'm not surprised at that number at all. I think I had five just yesterday.
 
Also, thanks, because looking at that just uncovered a bug in the new per-user comment view thingadongdong, which I just reported. :-)
 
@CodyGray Thank you, though, for the info. And for actually reading the flagged comments. :-)
 

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