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12:53 AM
@rene It is possible to retract your custom mod-flag and re-submit with different text. In cases where I've made errors similar to what you describe, or where additional information comes to light, I've retracted the first custom mod-flag I've made and raised a new one on the same post.
 
1:38 AM
@BaummitAugen Speak for yourself. rene has 59000 points
 
 
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6:48 AM
@Makyen yeah, I think in this case the mod will understand. If not, expect a Meta rant.
 
 
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8:22 AM
@jps do replay me ...
 
8:43 AM
While meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/265675/… says that it's okay to copy and expand a comment in an answer, and there's an answer that copies verbatim a comment, and there's a comment below that answer saying that it's not okay to copy comments, what should be done? (stackoverflow.com/questions/38188015/…)
 
@user202729 if you promote a comment to an answer, you still need to attribute the content.
 
@rene which was done in this case. I'd say it's polite (but not necessarily required) to make the answer community wiki
 
that answer is fine except that I normally make such answers community wiki
The comment can be flagged as no longer needed.
@Adriaan yeah, I couldn't resist to type in the box here before even looking at that answer ...
I need more text so I can beat @Makyen for his awesome guidance monologues
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No pins on the starboard?!? That's a first since a long time
 
Yeah, we have nothing worth pinning and we lack enough glasses to make witty remarks all the time.
 
9:04 AM
@rene what?? Well I can put glasses if that will help.
putting @Bart
 
9:32 AM
@ShadowThePrincessWizard :D
 
 
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11:01 AM
Hello,

Is there a way to know if a question is in queue or something when it was flagged as duplicate ? I edited my post multiple times, I'm pretty sure it's not a duplicate, I added more description, clearer title, code example. Do I have to re-ask the same, feeling really stuck
 
@AllanRaquin there is a reopen queue indeed :) it can take time but resist posting another question, that'll just get downvotes and more closing
 
@treyBake but if the question is still open, just with pending flags/close votes, it's not relevant. Edits won't cancel those flags/votes and won't remove the question from the Close review queue.
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard ah my bad, took flagged as dupe to mean it's been closed
In which case, just leave your edits live, if people still think it's a dupe, it'll be closed. Otherwise the votes will either be retracted or remain and it'll stay open (I think - not sure if close votes after X days with no closing gets auto-retracted?)
 
@treyBake nah, just checked, my bad - question is closed as duplicate already. :/
@Allan sorry, but looks like you're out of luck, review is already done: stackoverflow.com/review/reopen/24746197
 
np :)
 
11:06 AM
3 out of 5 decided to leave it closed.
So it's now out of the reopen queue.
 
oh no
 
@AllanRaquin check now
I usually stay neutral, but looks like it's not a sure dupe so reopened.
 
Plop folks
 
o/
 
\o
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard Thank you,:)
 
@AllanRaquin no problem. Good luck with the question! :)
 
ohh @ShadowThePrincessWizard is back and active on SOCVR. Welcome back :D
 
 
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Morning
 
Morning
 
user10957435
1:59 PM
Morning
 
after-the-noon :)
 
user10957435
@treyBake :D
 
 
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3:34 PM
If we think that the OP’s edits to a question aren’t helping, is that a legitimate reason to post a del-pls request here? Or is that considered irrelevant to the request?
 
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica red flag
 
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica tough call. I went with a dv and a cv, but I think a flag would be fine too
 
@rene They just edited, does that change your mind at all?
 
nope
 
4:03 PM
I never change my mind as I don't owe one
 
IMHO it looks like someone who has a very short question who didn't put in the effort to meet the length requirements (among a more general lack of effort...)
 
hence why I CV'd and DV'd rather than red flagging
 
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica The tags were like that Sesame Street bit. "One of these tags is not related to the others..."
 
@Machavity Was it the PHP tag? ;)
 
4:08 PM
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica Actually it was C++. PHP can work with JS and it written in C. So :P HP
 
@Machavity Speaking of, look what I just came across
@treyBake that pending edit could use a review as well
 
@TylerH truee, not sure how I feel about it, not really amending the q too much, just a rep-edit me reckons .. I guess is technically better than original content haha
oh nvm..
 
@TylerH Heh. What a mess. Sadly, the simple answer is "Because it's a web programming language", so most of that is TL;DR. When we needed a local desktop program to talk to our DB, we used Python
 
@Machavity Python... your father's programming language.
That's going to be my ad for the superbowl this year
 
4:16 PM
Also runs natively on a Raspberry Pi in the corner
Just FYI, PHP doesn't do USB support natively. And it probably shouldn't, either
 
error: too many acronyms
 
It's all about those infinite-loop acronyms (e.g. PHP, pretty sure there's a word for these types of acronyms..)
 
@treyBake It is a recursive initialism
Though it was retconned into one
 
@TylerH ah nice
I just find it coincidentally funny that PHP is an infinite loop, which devs hate, and devs also hate PHP xD
 
4:31 PM
Originally was Personal Home Page. Then changed to PHP Hypertext Preprocessor. Now it's just Parents Helping Parents
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I really miss 3 CVs to close
 
I'm hoping that consensus speed-close comes soon
 
yeah, at least something
 
4:59 PM
The 3 vote closing is back!
 
whoa
 
@TylerH Ok, fess up, you're Shog9's brother, aren't you?
 
" Because we feel the new post notices provide better feedback"
 
3 votes?! Woot! Let's party hard!
 
5:04 PM
@rene waiting for the other shoe to drop. "there is always a catch"
 
@Nkosi yes, SE bought Yahoo! Answers
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5:25 PM
I was wondering why they didn't try a period with 4 votes, just to break folks in gently.
 
That's a very 4-ist remark!
 
what can I say? I'm an odd type
 
@Adrian-ReinstateMonica Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three.
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5:31 PM
Yeah, but God said unto Moses: "Come fo(u)rth!"
 
@Adrian-ReinstateMonica wasn't it "Come ALGOL!"?
 
@rene - You remember the Forth language?
 
I remember lots of things
 
I think I had to use Forth once in a proofs-based class. Can't remember for what.
 
I think it was low-level stuff for running machines. I never used it but a pal of mine did - writing controller programs for big telescopes (astronomical ones).
 
5:46 PM
@RMPR that's probably meant to be on meta.
 
^
 
(i.e. migrate it to there, rather than use a custom close reason)
 
Okay
 
Hey - I just got my first "3rd vote" in! :)
 
@DavidW Just FYI: "blatantly off-topic" is a standard close-flag reason. For close-votes, that reason is replaced by the custom reason textarea.
 
5:51 PM
@Makyen Ah fair enough. It's been a while since I close-flagged anything
 
@RMPR When request close votes, please use the form [tag:cv-pls] <reason> <link>
 
:48008497 Nope, it needs the [tag: portion. In addition, Markdown formatting is disabled in multi-line messages, so your two lines would need to be two separate messages.
 
I understand
 
6:08 PM
:48008519 BTW: You can edit your chat messages for 2 minutes. When you hover the mouse over a chat message, there's a down arrow that appears on the left. If you click on that, the popup that's opened has an "edit" button.
Although, you probably already know that, given that you're deleting your messages, which is also in that popup. :-)
 
Would that actually be a "external resource" close reason? I would have though just "too broad". Though I am far from experienced with this
 
Now it's good
@Das_Geek Idk, I've already flagged
 
@RMPR It's definitely better. However, it's still desirable to have the [tag:cv-pls], which indicates what you're asking of people. Our userscripts also look for that tag in order to show the request for review and/or archive the request when it's complete. Please see our FAQ. Formatting of requests is covered in How and why do I need to format my cv-pls (and other requests)?
 
@RMPR Well it is possible to retract flags, though an "off-topic" flag should be as useful as another "off-topic" flag (I think)
 
Yes, retracting the flag is not appropriate in this case. In almost all cases, retracting a close-flag should only be done if you no longer think the question should be closed.
 
6:18 PM
Now I understand what you meant by [tag:cv-pls], I will format my interventions better now, thanks :)
 
@RMPR np. Thank you. :-)
 
6:55 PM
@Machavity I plead the 9th...
also, damn, I should've saved my CVs for the afternoon instead of using them in the morning T_T
In honor of 3 CVs, everyone should hop on over to the CV Queue and help burn it down :-)
 
Burn the place down! Wait, that was meta.
 
user10957435
@TylerH so it's permanent now? I must have missed that announcement.
 
ooh, did we get 3cv after all? Nice!
 
@Chipster Yes. It is permanent. At least temporarily permanent.
 
Nothing ever is permanently permanent.
 
7:06 PM
It took 6 to 8 weeks to make it permanent, it will take another 6 to 8 weeks to undo it. Unless Twitter ...
 
user10957435
@rene complaint + Twitter = <=1 day
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user10957435
@TylerH sweet! That will be nice.
 
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@rene maybe it's been already addressed here, but what exactly "for good ... for now" means? they have different meanings. books.google.com/…
@M-- read Shog9's comment. Sort of makes sense now.
 
@M-- nothing is permanent is meant here
 
7:40 PM
 
 
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8:41 PM
\o/ Three CVs FTW
 
9:09 PM
@Dharman I guess 3 preexisting votes didn't auto-close
 
user10957435
So does the new threshold mean we can post 1.6 times as many cv-pls requests, or does that mean questions need to be 1.6 times as awful to be allowed a cv-pls request, since closing for bad questions is easier now?
 
@robsiemb If it is like the experiment, it'll wait for the 4th vote.
@Chipster Hopefully it means we need to request less since the people in the tag will have a better chance at getting things closed. I'd stick the the normal volume for now, and we can always reevaluate later.
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user10957435
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica makes sense. I know the most popular tags should almost certainly have enough people in them that this will be the case.
 
user10957435
Even at off times of the day, I mean.
 
9:25 PM
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica @Chipster Yeah; no change should be necessary for the room at least for a week or so. The queue should start to drop a bit, though, and eventually the room will thin out too re: outstanding requests. But we'll still probably run out of CVs as frequently. Currently we tend to have more requests than can be fulfilled in a given day.
So with 3CVs again we should see it slowly balance out to see a more completion. Eventually that could also mean a loosening of restrictions on what can be cv-pls'd, as well (since the restrictions are in place partially due to the volume of questions needing CVs).
 
user10957435
So I was kind of joking with the whole 1.6 thing, but actually now I think this might truly be worth talking about in a room meeting at some point when it comes time to have one. By that time, we'll have had time to see the state of things and where everything is balanced. I might open an actual issue when I get a chance if there are no objections to it.
 
9:54 PM
@Chipster You're always free to open issues on the GH repo as you think appropriate. Members are free to respond there with more information and then once we have enough issues to call a meeting for, we typically call one (usually 5 or 6 pressing matters)
No guarantee that a room meeting will happen within any specific time frame of posting a given issue, though.
Also I'm not sure if it will be enough of a change to warrant such a formal process... I suspect the room will just organically become 'more efficient'.
 
user10957435
@TylerH yeah. But this certainly isn't a pressing issue. In fact, it's probably better for this issue if it waits so we can make a better informed decision.
 
(unaffiliated) I believe the above is a specific, common question and should be unduped. The still-open question is specific question about decrement. Room on SO for both questions.
 
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10:41 PM
@pkamb Please do not post as only-link
 
10:59 PM
@M-- sorry, what do you mean? I posted the link, then a description/discussion below.
 
wim
already on 4 votes, close please: stackoverflow.com/q/59062291/674039
 
11:11 PM
@wim In general, for requests that people look at a question with respect to closing it, please include [tag:cv-pls] in the request. Doing so significantly helps us to track and handle requests. Formatting of requests is covered in our FAQ in the section How and why do I need to format my cv-pls (and other requests)?
 
wim
ok
 
Thanks.
 
M--
 
@pkamb In SOCVR, we try to avoid messages which result in onebox formatting, where the contents of the post are partially copied into chat. To prevent the post from being oneboxed, you can include any additional text along with the link to the post.
@pkamb If you feel a question should be reopened, then feel free to post a [tag:reopen-pls] request.
Waffles™
Thanks
 
11:27 PM
(P.S. - is there a term for "the still-open 'parent' question of the dupe"?)
 
@pkamb I think you're referring to what I'd call the "dup-target".
@Chipster The information we have from the 3 CV experiment indicates SOCVR will be able to handle more requests. There was definitely a difference in the volume the room could deal with during the experiment. Once we get a better idea of where things will end up as a steady state wrt. closing questions, we can, and should, look at what's appropriate wrt. adjusting the requirements for cv-pls requests.
I'm not sure we need to go through the formal process of a room meeting to take a stab or two at adjustments, but if it's still an issue by the time we have a room meeting, then it should be one of the topics. What volume the room can handle is certainly something several people are paying attention to.
 
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Why a deleted answer would be locked? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7376966/heroku-problem-the-page-you-were-looking-for-doesnt-exist/59143828#59143828
Is it for audits?
 
@M-- It was deleted as spam or rude/abusive. When that happens, it's deleted by Community♦ and locked by Community♦ , with the contents hidden, but the content is visible on the revisions page.
 
user10957435
11:43 PM
@Makyen well for sure the wording on the FAQ will need to be updated to reflect the correct numbers (like every time we say 5 votes should change to 3, for instance), but time will tell whether this will actually affect room operations in a way that needs to be addressed in the FAQ.
 
user10957435
Honestly, I think we may just need to wait and see what happens. But we probably should still address it eventually--especially if it does affect room operations.
 
@Chipster I'd be surprised if we didn't address it, but I agree that it's not something we should do anything about immediately. I'd expect it to be a couple/few weeks prior to anything happening. With the 3 CV experiment, it took most of the time of the experiment for things to appear to get reasonably close to a steady state.
 

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