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12:03 AM
@Makyen Message for you on the back channel
@tink "I don't know what I'm doing, write it for me" == "Give me the code". Please refer to the above exchange. I'll be binning this request; feel free to repost with the reason "Too Broad".
 
okie dokie @StephenKennedy
 
@StephenKennedy welcome. Which "close reason" would one choose for "give me the code"? Or did I misinterpret your statement above - discrepancy between my vote and the text I entered?
 
@tink Just "Too Broad"
 
@Makyen sigh I must admit that there are times when I'd really like the edit window on chat messages to be the same length as it is for comments on posts. There are times when composing/rereading what I write that my eyes just gloss over obvious errors (e.g. like "my several" instead of "by several"). Sometimes it takes not looking at it for a minute or two in order to read it fresh to see such things. Unfortunately, by the time that happens, the edit window on chat messages has expired.
 
12:19 AM
heh
Sad panda @Makyen
 
:-(
 
12:38 AM
@tink In general, most GMTC questions are "too broad", as @StephenKennedy mentioned. For that specific question, it's unclear to me what they are really asking, based on the contents of the question. I could read that question as "unclear", "too broad", or "no MCVE", depending on what they are really wanting.
I would note, however, that some of the things people feel are GMTC really aren't "too broad". Asking how to do some narrowly defined task is on-topic, even if the user hasn't made any attempt and shows no code. In fact, some of the most useful questions on SO are "how do I do X", when X is some very narrowly defined task that's reusable across a variety of circumstances.
Technically, "too broad" is supposed to be that a comprehensive answer would require more than what can be put in a SO answer. It can also be that the asker has left out enough detail to constrain the problem to something manageable, even if they didn't know they needed to state assumptions and conditions.
Personally, I'll often consider things too broad when they're asking for a combination of multiple things (e.g. "I want to do foo, then bar and baz"), unless those are very narrow and closely coupled. To a large extent, I look at this from the point of view of what will be useful to others in the future. Individual questions of "how do I do foo", "how do I do bar", and "how do I do baz" are usually/often helpful to future visitors.
Even a question that is "I know how to do foo, bar, and baz. How do I combine them" is potentially useful, because people could learn from just the process of combining other things. [Breaking down problems into smaller solvable parts and how to combine solutions to those parts is a very important, even critical, skill.]
But, a question that just directly asks "I want to do foo, then bar and baz" really isn't helpful to other people, because it's unlikely that other people are going to want to do exactly that combination of things. It's also likely not stating a considerable volume of assumptions about what is desire and how it's supposed to happen.
 
1:07 AM
@Makyen - as always, most helpful. Thank you for the time taken to elaborate on this difficult subject in such great detail. So, in the case of above guy who complained about rstring not doing the right thing when he had no idea what it actually does .... and then stating what his desired result is ... what to do with that?
 
1:27 AM
@tink What the OP is asking needs to be in the question. From the question, it's not clear to me what they are really asking, and what they are asking appears to change in the comments. You can recommend to the OP that they [edit] their question to actually ask what they want an answer to. As to the question as to why rstrip isn't working as expected, there's an answer in the comments, but there's not enough information in the question for us to know if it's correct (it probably is).
 
@Makyen cheers. So you reckon reporting it as too broad was too harsh?
 
1:55 AM
@tink To me, it's "unclear" rather than "too broad". If the question was clear, then it might be considered "too broad". It could be looked at as "too broad", because there's no way for us to know what's at the end of the file which is preventing rstrip from removing the characters listed in the string provided to it. However, a terminating \n, or \r\n, is the most likely. OTOH, I'd probably term that as "unclear", but meh. It doesn't really matter which you use in this case (IMO).
 
Cheers
 
 
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3:58 AM
Is this worthy for R/A ? stackoverflow.com/a/58965579/965146 . I afraid to edit / flag as NAA after see OP's SQL Query.
Ohhh. Gone. Delete by MOD.
 
user10957435
4:09 AM
It this a better question for support, or is it on-topic. I feel like support would be better able to answer the question, but I generally don't spend time in Android, so I don't really know.
 
@Chipster I'd say it's too broad. The question is asking what changes need to be made. Other than the clear and obvious thing of upgrading to V3 of the API, which someone mentions in the comments, we can't tell them what actually needs to change without reviewing all of their code.
The OP says in a comment that they don't know what is using it and that it might be a dependency, which is something we'd expect to have to check anyway, but might narrow down what's needed in the question to only the dependencies.
But, overall, no, I wouldn't say it's a customer service question.
 
user10957435
@Makyen Okay. So not really a customer service question, but still off-topic because we have no way of answering properly. In that case, it should be closed. If I decide to make an official cv-pls request now, should the other link get moved to dev null?
 
@Chipster Usually we don't move questions like that. We just leave them in the transcript. Asking questions is a normal thing. While it does leave an additional link to the post in the transcript, it's not something that will be found when reviewing requests.
 
user10957435
@Makyen Okay. So to be clear, I can make an official cv-pls request now if I want?
 
4:33 AM
@Chipster Yes, you can make a cv-pls request. Discussing whether a question should be closed doesn't preclude making an official request later. They are entirely different processes.
 
user10957435
@StephenKennedy Okay. Thanks.
 
@Shree Looks like trolling to me, so yeah I'd have flagged it R/A
 
user10957435
@StephenKennedy Should mention that I was mostly asking because of your actions here. Obviously that is a different situation, but just wanted to make sure that asking a question, and then cv-pls requesting it wasn't against the rules before I did it.
 
@Chipster Understood, and thanks for asking. Discussing whether something should be flagged or closed when not sure, and then asking for cv-pls if you've concluded the question should be closed, is common practice and perfectly fine. A few examples of things we don't want in the room have indeed come up today, but that's not one of them :)
 
user10957435
4:53 AM
@StephenKennedy You're welcome. Just wanted to do my homework before I did something. I'm the new kid on the block, so I'm still trying make sure I properly understand and try to follow the rules. Of course, I would probably try to still follow them if I wasn't the new kid, but you know what I mean...
 
5:13 AM
@eyllanesc This appears to be by the same OP as your previous request, and not active since July
 
5:50 AM
@Chipster I'm sorry I disappeared shortly after my last message. I'm glad you were able to get an answer from @StephenKennedy. @StephenKennedy, thanks for answering this question.
 
user10957435
@Makyen It's all good. I really don't mind who answers. I just ping you because it was sort of a continuation of our conversation. I just figured you'd want to know it was going on. I don't mean to make you ever feel like you're not replying fast enough. You've been far too good to me with all the things you have politely answered for me to get that way about it :D.
 
@Chipster I'm happy to be pinged anytime. Just from a personal POV, I do try to respond. I'm glad that I've been able to be helpful.
 
user10957435
Thanks for taking the time to answer all my questions, both @Makyen and@StephenKennedy You guys are the best.
 
6:10 AM
@Chipster You're welcome, and thank you. Fortunately, we have a good group of people here. Lots of us are willing to help out and answer questions when something comes up.
 
user10957435
@tripleee Someone closed this as belongs on either Super-User or Server-Fault (I don't remember which now). Is that appropriate for this question? I think Unclear/Too Broad seems more relevant here.
 
user10957435
^ Btw, I realize you gave the reason Unclear/Too Broad. I'm just curious if "belongs somewhere else" is appropriate for this question.
 
I don't think it is suitable for general computing either; in fact it is very specifically a developer question, just not a very good one, and also basically just tries to use us as Paypal support
 
user10957435
@tripleee That's kind of what I thought. Will a single vote get it moved to that site, or no?
 
@Chipster it's closed already and no, migration will only happen if there is a consensus (don't remember if it has to be absolute or if majority is enough)
 
user10957435
6:19 AM
Never mind, answered my own question:
 
@tripleee Migration requires 4 out of 5. (cc: @Chipster)
 
user10957435
Yeah. Sorry everyone for making you answer.
 
user10957435
Whoops. Accidentally removed. Let's try this again:
 
user10957435
In order for the question to be migrated, at least three of the close votes (four on Stack Overflow) must be for migration to the same site. If the question reaches five close votes without this majority, the question will simply be closed for the next most-commonly selected reason. If the majority reason is for migration, but the majority votes are not all for the same site, the question will be closed as off-topic.
 
when it does get migrated, you'll see [migrated] instead of [on hold] and be redirected
 
user10957435
6:23 AM
@tripleee Good to know. Thanks for the tip :D
 
user10957435
Right, I guess I should request privileges. @Makyen or @StephenKennedy, can I start participating with Smokey?
 
@Chipster For this process, it's helpful, but not required, for you to create an account on metasmoke.
 
user10957435
@Makyen Okay. I think I just did that. I logged in using SE. What next?
 
I found that the easiest way was to win a moderator election. Does that help? :-)
 
Yep. That works. :-)
 
user10957435
7:06 AM
@CodyGray lol. Not really. Then I'd have to win a moderator election...
 
@Chipster SD privileges in SOCVR is usually something that we RO's discuss, or at least have more than one RO weigh in. I've brought it up, but at this time of day the other ROs are usually not around. rene usually shows up within the next hour, but it's not guaranteed.
Do you also want SD privileges in Charcoal HQ?
 
user10957435
@Makyen I hang out here more often then I do there, but sure, why not.
 
user10957435
@Makyen Makes sense. I just figured I might as well start learning how start being helpful with Smokey.
 
@Chipster It's a reasonable thing to do and is helpful. It would be a good idea to read through the Feedback Guidance, SmokeDetector wiki, and SmokeDetector commands (in particular feedback).
 
@Makyen I show up at irregular intervals ...
 
user10957435
7:12 AM
@Makyen Will do. I'm actually doing so as we speak.
 
I need coffee first
 
!!/coffee rene
 
@Makyen brews a cup of Cappuccino for @rene
 
user10957435
!!/wut
 
@Chipster Whaddya mean, 'wut'? Humans...
 
7:49 AM
/o
 
o>
 
@Chipster You've been added to the privilege list for SmokeDetector here in SOCVR. Thanks for volunteering to help out. You should run the !!/amiprivileged command to verify everything's working. Please see the wall of text I posted in Charcoal HQ, although the first message in that sequence has been duplicated in here (above and in this message).
 
 
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10:03 AM
@tripleee that's an answer
 
@Adriaan should I use [tag:review-pls] or [tag:delv-pls] or not post it here at all?
 
^I'd say del, it's saying what's already been said by someone else last year
 
@tripleee there's not much to review. flagging can be used in case it is an edited VLQ (i.e. you cannot flag again), otherwise delv- would be the option to go for. In this case I'd go for a VLQ flag and only report it here when that doesn't delete the thing
 
already flagged as VLQ and voted to delete
 
 
Can I ask a del-pls for this obvious duplicate? How to get last n elements of array in python. Not sure about the rules for posting deletion requests. The FAQ says "wait to post the del-pls until the post is actually eligible for deletion-votes", but I have no idea what that "eligible for deletion-votes" means.
 
10:50 AM
@Georgy it means it needs to be at a -3 score. That question isn't at that mark yet.
@Georgy You must wait for a question to be closed for 2 days before you can vote for deletion. This restriction is removed for trusted users when a post scores -3 or lower quoted from the help but I'll add a link to our FAQ as well.
I've update the FAQ @Georgy can you please check if that is more clear now?
 
@rene Yes, it's more clear now, thanks!
 
yw
 
11:12 AM
@Georgy it is now at -3 but it will still need the 2 days
there's a reminder bot in SOBotics IIRC
natty.sobotics.org/commands.html but no proper example there
proper example:
in SOBotics, Nov 14 at 6:09, by geisterfurz007
@house remindme 2h https://stackoverflow.com/a/58849957
I have a reminder set up now
 
can't 100% remember, does an edit on an old answer count as NATO?
 
12:03 PM
^ spam
 
not 100% on if spam, it's obviously not on-topic but isn't set up like usual spam posts :S member for 7 days though.. but eh, I guess if enough peeps say spam - is spam :)
 
a weird hyperlink embedded on a spurious keyword with no clear connection to the topic at hand is a spam indicator on its own - they are promoting something and even though it's probably vaguely programming-related that still makes it undisclosed promotion coupled with weasel tactics
 
eh, to me it was asked like they were expecting XYZ behaviour on the site, didn't get it, came to SO to ask if we can see A/B - just felt like it was using SO as general forum more than trying to promote, but maybe it was the bad English that threw me
 
12:46 PM
Hi! After years of passively using SO I decided to return something to the community and start contributing myself, by answering questions from time to time and supporting quality improvement efforts by using the Triage/First Posts queues. While reading up on all those rules and conventions here, I encountered this chat room. I am (and will be) far away from being able to cast close votes, but anyway I am glad to help flagging obvious spam posts till I reach this point :)
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@JanWichelmann Plop and welcome! Do feel free to help and hang around, many folks here learnt a lot about SO by coming here without much rep like you =)
 
1:02 PM
@Kyll Thank you! I certainly will :)
 
Morning.
 
1:32 PM
\o
 
Morning :)
 
Plop
 
@JanWichelmann 919 is not so far, give it a few weeks
 
pos too broad NATO stackoverflow.com/questions/44038576/… - but not 100% sure
 
2:32 PM
 
2:44 PM
hi , can somebody help me ? I asked a question few days ago, i tried to be clear, make some research and did not fidn answers. My question took immedialty 2 downvotes and then it has been closed. The reason why it was closed say it's duplicate, but it's not. What should i do ? Now i can't even post any question :/
 
@Freddykong Can you share a link to the question? Add something in front of the link so it doesn't onebox please
 
^C# q - would need experts in that tag to review
 
@Freddykong If you cannot ask any question, it means you have asked multiple questions in a short time that were received badly (closed and/or downvoted). The only thing you can do about that is to read this meta pot and do everything which it says in there to improve your questions.
 
@Machavity I believe is this one
 
2:47 PM
@treyBake Ah
@rene Can you look at the link above? OP believes it is not a C# dupe ^
 
@Freddykong wrt to the question itself: it can certainly be a duplicate, even if you didn't know that that was at fault. If I tell you it is very difficult to cycle, and you give me a book on how to fix a punctured tire, I could tell you that that is not what I asked for. However, you would already have determined that the issue is indeed a flat tire, and that fixing that would solve my problem. (I know nothing about C#, this is just a general example)
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i.e. the duplicate target might outline what the problem is in your code, and how to fix that, even if you didn't know that that was the problem. This is quite common, because if you would know where the problem was, and that "indexing" indeed is the problem, you would've found the duplicate yourself.
@SecretAgentMan technically it is in English. Configuring your IDE to spit out error messages in a different language is allowed on SO
 
@Adriaan Thanks for pointing that out. I'm aware of the IDE configuration and code variables, etc, allowed to be in English. I must have made a mistake. I'll own that. My apologies for a false flag.
 
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica lovely title that :P
@SecretAgentMan I understand it in this case though, as there was code with Spanish variable names, an error in Spanish and nothing else. Should be closed (IMO as No MCVE, but closed nonetheless)
 
3:01 PM
@Adriaan If you're referring to [this one], I think the lack of question around the code (with the non-English title) threw me off. Still, your correction is well-received.
 
@SecretAgentMan there's still the little "reply" arrow on the left of chat messages, even when the message it is pointing to is moved. Clicking it will then take you to the graveyard and show you what I replied to ;)
 
@Adriaan I'm an idiot. Understood & thank you.
 
@SecretAgentMan No problem, we all learn the little things of SO at some point
 
@Freddykong I'm no C# person but it could be a duplicate. Sometimes the same answer to a different question applies. When I hammer a question, what I look for in a reopen request is an understanding of the duplicate, followed by an explanation of why it's not a dupe
And Adriaan gave an excellent example of how that works
I've pinged a fellow RO who holds a C# gold badge to give it a look. They should get back to us in 6-8 weeks hours
 
3:10 PM
@Freddykong Your question would be a dupe of this one. I suggest we find a C# gold hammer or a mod and get the dupe target changed.
 
or @HovercraftFullOfEels again because people love to answer poor questions, can you review reopening of this, please?
 
@Machavity ahah thanks
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica indeed, i would totally agree about this to be a dupe
 
@Freddykong you can ping the gold badge holder who closed your question, simply use the @username syntax in a comment on your question and ask them to change the target. Or ask them about why they chose this specific target
 
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica but now Freddy knows that that works as well
 
3:22 PM
@Adriaan Yep, thank you
 
3:42 PM
 
4:30 PM
@M-- You mean the fact that you asked for an MCVE? That's fine, but not relevant; it's OP's responsibility to provide the MCVE, not yours.
 
M--
@TylerH I meant leaving a comment below my cv-req would be a violation of not leaving GMTC and other non-standard reason (referring to rene's comment).
in any case, would you nullify my last req
OP changed their mind about an MCVE
 
@M-- ah, no, clarifying that you asked for an MCVE is not "using commentary as a close reason"; your close reason was "no MCVE", which is one of the prescribed reasons available.
@M-- done
 
M--
Thank you. Just wanted to make sure I am not violating anything ;)
 
5:28 PM
just stumbled across the Game Dev SE - how comes that has it's own SE and not on-topic with SO (providing it's the right format for SO)?
 
@treyBake There's a lot to game dev (as you may know), and much of it isn't programming-related
 
@treyBake There is often overlap between sites e.g. questions about Visual Studio are on topic both here and on Super User
 
@TylerH ah it's full-on development as opposed to code-development?
 
@treyBake Yep. Game Dev code questions are OK there (and on SO), but things like 'how do I implement pathfinding in a way that doesn't frustrate players' are obviously off-topic at SO, but OK there
(well, you need way more detail than that... it's just an example title)
It runs the entire gamut dev work
 
I was about to say how comes there's not a web dev SE but, I guess the combo of webmasters, SEO and SO is good 'nuff. Plus, webdev isn't that complicated, compared to apps/games at least
yeaah with ya now
 
5:33 PM
Fun fact - when I spent ~10 years as a hobby game dev/modder in middle school/high school, I actually never touched the one 'programming' aspect of the whole process: in-game scripting using some incredibly simple abstracted scripting language. I spent most of my time building interiors, exteriors, linking the two, writing dialogue, setting dialogue settings, adding items to the world, updating our playable mesh library with new models/textures, etc.
Looking back on it now, I probably should've spent time working with the scripting language. It would've been fun
 
@TylerH Oblivion?
Well I guess Morrowind if 10 years
 
@Das_Geek Ew, no. Morrowind :-D
Oblivion was horribad
 
@TylerH Ayyy, second guess
Don't think I ever played Morrowind. Skipped it and went from Daggerfall to Oblivion
 
Sadness
Morrowind was the best achievement of a real gritty fantasy world (despite many elements of the game's lore being straight up ripped from other IPs)
Oblivion was a generic fantasy cash-in on Morrowind's success for the studio
 
user10957435
6:13 PM
!!/amiprivileged
 
@Chipster ✓ You are a privileged user.
 
user10957435
@Makyen Thanks. It's all working.
 
np. I'm glad it works. :-)
 
user10957435
@Makyen Are there any guidelines as to using SD here, vs in Charcoal HQ, except for the already banned commands allspam and reportuser?
 
@Chipster You can issue any command in Charcoal. Mostly we just use report and coffee in SOCVR
As always, if you think you've found a pattern of spam, please discuss in Charcoal, as we don't discuss users here
 
6:20 PM
@Chipster The main thing is that in SOCVR activity should really be about the content of the post, not the user. Fighting spam and R/A posts can become, at least to an extent, about the user and the patterns of the user's activity. In such cases, things should be done in Charcoal.
ninja'd again :-)
 
user10957435
@Machavity Coffee was demonstrated last night. Do the other "fun" commands work similarly?
 
Yep
 
user10957435
Got you. So keep everything user-related out of here, not just those two commands (For instance, discussion of users).
 
user10957435
!!/alive Machavity
 
@Chipster ... good question
 
user10957435
6:22 PM
!!/alive
 
@Chipster plz send teh coffee
 
user10957435
So some of the "fun" commands work with usernames, and others don't?
 
@Chipster Alive is really a utility, not a "fun" command
 
!!/blame
 
@Nkosi It's tink's fault.
 
user10957435
6:28 PM
@Machavity To make sure it's still alive. Got you. So do the real fun commands have optional usernames?
 
user10957435
^ At least I think I got you.
 
I don't think any of them take a username as input
 
@Chipster Some of the fun commands have user profiles as input, I believe... =)
(To report a user as a spammer)
Or it used to, IIRC
 
allspam takes a user profile and opens a report for each post they've made
 
user10957435
Then what is going on here?
 
user10957435
6:31 PM
It it not taking rene's username as input?
 
!!/coffee Chipster
 
@Machavity brews a cup of Macchiato for @Chipster
 
TIL
 
user10957435
Lol.
 
'kay now if you don't mind I'll be sweeping all of this into a more appropriate environment
 
user10957435
6:37 PM
@Kyll Sorry. I'll stop. Just testing my new SD privileges (which technically I don't need to use these commands, but anyway...).
 
Oh don't be sorry, do enjoy yourself actually
I'm just keeping the transcript cleanish
Just call an RO to do some tidy-up once you're done
(And don't do it in the middle of someone else's conversation, ofc)
 
user10957435
@Kyll Were you in the middle of a conversation? Because I didn't mean to interrupt. Sorry if I did.
 
@Chipster He was just arguing with himself. Don't worry about it.
 
@Chipster Yeah don't worry about him; he's just a squirrel with a helmet
 
@Kyll plop
oh, you're back to the old username
 
6:58 PM
@gunr2171 Are you the writer of Chatbot(closey)?
 
Yep
but I haven't worked on it in quite a while
 
21 hours ago, by Dharman
...and there is even functional spec. Inconceivable!
Yeah, I'm DAMN PROUD of that
I'm not sure really. From that page you can certainly get your own history.
Most of this scraping was black magic for me, and while I was the main developer for the bot, Sam (haven't seen him in a very long time) made the library that did the site scraping.
 
I can see other review items as long as the review is completed.
I saw that. I think it was written in F# right?
 
7:03 PM
@gunr2171 YAY PLOP
 
o/
 
sup?
 
the ceiling
you?
 
meetings
 
I can play around with scraping it, but my concern is that scraping can be a little unreliable. For my own purposes it should be enough though
 
7:03 PM
Take them back please
 
ah, my life blood...
 
M--
What's the appropriate action if we find a user's id not appropriate? p.s. Can I share a link to one of their questions to see if I am too sensitive or the username is actually inappropriate?
 
@Dharman BTW: The ReviewFinder userscript demonstrates one method of scraping review queue history. I'm not aware of a way to use the SE API to get review history. Note that you very likely must space out your requests in time, or end up with an IP block (temporary).
 
@M-- I allow it, but I am not an RO
 
@M-- As with most things user-related, you can raise a custom mod flag.
 
7:06 PM
yeah, mod flag
 
@Makyen Thanks, this is actually very useful
 
M--
@Makyen raised the flag saying "I am not sure if this username should be allowed in the community."
It was declined; but I still feel that's offensive.
@Makyen can I share a link or that would be targeting them?
 
@M-- If it's not obvious why the name is objectionable, then you should be sure to explain the issue. This has come up with usernames that are slurs in limited geographical/geopolitical regions.
@M-- We'd prefer that you not share a link. Really, there isn't anything we can do other than raise custom mod-flags or use the "contact us" at the bottom of a page.
 
M--
@Makyen OK. Makes sense, I won't share a link. But it is not a slur or anything. It's associating an unacceptable quality with a family member. e.g. Your Hypocrite Father (I changed the insult, etc. to avoid giving out their username).
 
Ultimately, the only people's opinion that is going to affect this is the moderator that handles the flag. If you've had one flag declined, then it's possible that the moderator just didn't understand why it was objectionable. In such cases you need to explain why you feel the name is objectionable. Just saying that you think that the username, perhaps, shouldn't be permitted doesn't really give the moderator much context.
How offensive something is often depends on a considerable amount of cultural context. If the person that you're communicating with doesn't share that cultural context, then the words are just a collection of characters.
 
M--
7:16 PM
Thank you for the advice. I will raise another flag, explaining why I find it offensive.
 
@M-- If I were writing it, I'd also specifically state that I found it offensive. Doing that at least gives them the data point that someone actually did find it offensive.
 
I'm offended by default. Let's go from there ...
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@M-- Also, if it is non-english then explain in which language/culture this could be found offensive.
 
@Dharman Good. I'm glad you find it useful. I've used the script from time to time to locate reviews. You can thank @rene for that script.
 
M--
@Dharman It was very much like the example I made above (just a bit harsher). And it was in English. I was puzzled when it got declined. But anyhow, just raised another.
 
7:23 PM
@Dharman Sorry, I misspoke earlier. I was thinking of a different chatbot, Burnaki, when I said the creator (Tunaki) was no longer on SO. gunr is, of course, still somewhat active on SO. cc @gunr2171
 
ah, ok. no worries
heavy on the "somewhat"
 
@m-- I mean even in English you have different cultures. If I called your mother a hamster or said that your father smells of elderberries, some people might not find it offensive at all.
 
@Dharman only the Knights of the Round Table would find that offensive
 
M--
Well I explained that someone would not find this particular example offensive and some might. But what's the stopping point. Let's say Your Hypocrite Father is fine, Your Fat Mother is fine, and then Your B!tc# Mama is not... What ruler we should use to measure whether it's offensive or not? I think if it's edgy, regardless of the fact that you (a mod) would find it offensive or not, an action should be made. Since someone else would find it offensive (because it's edgy).
Not saying the decision should be made lightly and they should rush to taking action whenever something seems slightly off. But should consider it with greater concern.
 
I should watch Monty Python again...
 
Ron
7:49 PM
Any web people at the moment?
 
what type of web?
 
Ron
HTML and stuff.
 
@Ron We are all on the web at the moment
 
insert spider joke here
yeah, I can do html.
 
Ron
Is there anything remotely useful as Dreamweaver out there?
 
7:51 PM
oh man those were the glory days...
 
Ron
I did some research, tried a few IDES and even today I can't see anything that remotely resembles DW.
 
for visual design, I'm not sure / maybe not.
 
@Ron I'm kinda partial to Webstorm or one of its cousins
 
I use VS Code and I am happy, but I write code instead of drawing it
 
Ron
@Machavity Thanks, will look into it.
 
7:52 PM
Just don't use tables for formatting please :)
 
Just don't use HTML for formatting, use CSS
 
na, use jQuery for that
jQuery does EVERYTHING
 
Friends don't let friends use Word to make HTML. We're talking zalgo-level stuff there
 
TBH, my first web page was written in word
 
Ron
Looks like yours truly is about to get $500/year poorer ;)
 
7:54 PM
That was also back in the days when geocities was popular.
 
Ron
Ah, geocities, brings back memories.
Back when WWW was simple and not so visually pleasing.
 
Web 1.0. It actually pains me to go back at look at what the internet looked like back in the day.
 
Ron
Breathe, breathe... cashes out $500 / year
 
user10957435
My first one was written in Seamonkey, but it never made it online. It was more me tinkering around with web stuff.
 
@Machavity That's a really cool solution to OP's question
 
le sigh
 
🥁
@StephenKennedy Appropriate that we bring back stuff from the early 2010s as we close the decade out
 
9:33 PM
@Das_Geek the decade still has another year in it...
 
@StephenKennedy That goes against the no new activity rule.
 
> cv-pls are for... a bad example used to justify other posts that are off-topic and/or low-quality
 
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica We allow cases where a post is used as justification for keeping other bad stuff open/asking more bad stuff
 
Can you guys join me in the room?
 
9:49 PM
@TylerH No, it ends when this year does. The canonical definition of a "decade" refers to the period of time between the beginning of the zeroth year and the end of the ninth, i.e. {x | x ϵ [0,9]}. Thus, at the end of 2019 we end the 2010s and begin the 2020s
 
@Das_Geek sorry, counting starts at 1, not 0
all your programming languages are wrong
 
grabs popcorn
 
It's my 2021 New Year's resolution to stop making off-by-one errors :)
 
I'm still conditions trying to race deal with.
3
 
Wow. I actually read that in the proper order at first
What the heck
 
9:55 PM
Our brains like to lie to us. As long as it's close enough we don't question it.
I've heard estimates that about 90% of what we observe is discarded
 
Huh. That explains my debugging success rate. I throw out the missing semicolon 90% of the time
 
user10957435
Looking for missing semicolons is a learned habit.
 
The real problem is not using a language where ASI is a thing
 
M--
I am out of votes. :( Later
 
10:55 PM
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