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user10957435
12:05 AM
That diagram is how I imagined it. I agree, though; it is kind of a mess.
 
@CodyGray I've tried to reply to this multiple times and can't quite get the words out. Suffice to say, your presence and input is very welcome here, whichever hat you choose to wear at the time.
(but if it's ambiguous as to which hat you're wearing, letting us know - as you did above - is a great help; thank you)
 
user10957435
Unless you're wearing your silly hat ;)
 
12:27 AM
@StephenKennedy Hats aren't for another couple of weeks.
 
@CodyGray I was waiting for somebody to say that. You didn't let me down.
 
I try.
 
Hmm. Moving messages to the graveyard triggers a notification inviting me there?
 
@CodyGray Same for ROs. Try refreshing the browser when the message is still on the screen. That should make it go away for a few days or weeks.
 
I can dismiss the message without a problem. I just don't understand why it's displayed at all.
 
No idea. @Makyen?
 
I don't even see any of my messages that were moved there.
I...think I asked Makyen this once already, but I either didn't understand his answer or have already forgotten.
 
12:51 AM
There was a message from you to Smoke Detector which got moved
 
@StephenKennedy Oh, right. I was looking at the link in your auto-generated "moved" report, and that message wasn't there. But sure enough, there it is if I enter the room. Odd. Some day I may figure this business out.
 
@CodyGray @StephenKennedy It's just how the chat system works. There's really nothing we can do about it. You'll get one notification the first time a message is moved into a room. If another message is moved to the same room, you won't get another notification until you've entered the room and are able to talk and have then left the room (i.e. you don't get a notification if you are already in the destination room).
For ROs and moderators, this means that you'll get another notification the next time a message is moved to the room, if you've visited the room since the previous one was moved. Thus, if I enter the SOCVR Graveyard or SOCVR /dev/null, I'll usually leave myself active in those rooms until I log out of my system.
For users who can't talk in a room, they will only get a single notification for the first message moved into that room. They won't get any notifications for additional messages being moved into that room. They will get a notification for messages moved into a different room.
 
Ah, great.... So it's back to my default strategy of ignoring all notifications.
I like to leave rooms to clean up the sidebar.
 
user10957435
2:16 AM
@Makyen That must be annoying if you participate in this room a lot.
 
user10957435
And have a lot of things moved.
 
2:41 AM
@Chipster It's really only annoying for ROs and moderators. Everyone else only ever gets one notification total for each of the Graveyard and /dev/null. As an RO, you just deal with it. Once you know about it, you either avoid actually entering the Graveyard or /dev/null (i.e. view the each room's transcript), or just stay in the room until you logout from SE chat. It's moderately annoying, but was only really annoying, at least for me, until I knew how to avoid resetting the notifications.
 
@Chipster Beyond what Makyen said, if you think that's annoying, you don't have any idea what being a moderator is like. :-p
 
user10957435
That's what I mean. It's annoying if you're a moderator or RO.
 
user10957435
@CodyGray Yeah, fair enough.
 
user10957435
4:02 AM
@CodyGray Can I ask you a question with your moderator hat on for a second? Am I using a comment appropriately in my second comment here? Or is that considered "too chatty"?
 
A single, on-topic comment that provides advice relevant to the question is never a problem, @Chipster.
Now...I could nitpick there. A style checker like Clang-Tidy is altogether different from a compiler, so your comment probably isn't applicable. But it still isn't a problem from a moderation perspective.
 
user10957435
@CodyGray Even if it is not for the OP?
 
@Chipster Yeah, that doesn't matter. The target audience for Q&A on this website goes far beyond the OP.
 
user10957435
@CodyGray I mean the second comment about link syntax.
 
Ooohh, okay. Yeah, comments that teach people how to use functionality on this site are fine. But they're a perfect example of the sort of comments that become "no longer needed" (i.e., obsolete). Once the intended audience has read it, then the comment can get deleted. It doesn't add anything for future readers of the Q&A.
 
user10957435
4:06 AM
@CodyGray Got you. Thanks. I'll keep that in mind. You can take your moderator hat off now if you want (that is, you don't have to keep it on for my sake anymore :D).
 
It got stuck some time back.
 
user10957435
@CodyGray lol.
 
user10957435
I recon it could do that if you use it a lot.
 
5:22 AM
 
 
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6:24 AM
 
somebody might want to mercifully cast the last delete vote on this NAA stackoverflow.com/a/58831371/874188
 
@tripleee Sigh.
 
6:45 AM
@tripleee uuuhhhh ^^
 
7:03 AM
 
7:33 AM
 
 
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9:11 AM
@Chipster people just ask anyway haha
 
9:33 AM
 
^also TB - take ya pick :)
 
9:58 AM
^actually is spam - just realised the link = username xD
 
@treyBake they have been active over the last few days, I blacklisted them yesterday but we probably need more criteria to get them over the autoflagging threshold
just blacklisted the username fragment too
 
@tripleee oh have they? :/ yeah sounds the best thing to do :)
 
five hits over three weeks but clearly picking up metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/domains/46704
 
:/ les hope they get the message soon - doubtful as that may be
 
10:20 AM
@Adriaan Could you explain why is this off-topic? I feel like it asks how to do one thing in C#
 
@Dharman I hadn't even seen the C# tag to be honest. It just asks how to find a list of things not obviously programming related. That it happens to be possible to be solved by C# like he does doesn't make it more on-topic IMO. But if any C# expert (cc @rene) wants to chime in, I'd be happy to revise my stance
 
10:48 AM
^+1 not quite spam, but still, low quality/possibly naa
 
@Dharman they are xlsx spreadsheet downloads - I won't open -.-
 
12:13 PM
@Adriaan I also feel that's on topic and not too broad
 
12:37 PM
@Adriaan seems on-topic to me
let's trample the pink elephant ...
 
elephants usually do the trampling, but go on
 
So are we finally addressing the elephant in the room?
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get out! :D
 
lol
 
12:50 PM
@rene then you'd better bin the message.
 
1:37 PM
Same code in both posts
I'm going to mod flag
 
Plop folks
 
1:53 PM
 
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica Wow that's fishy. Puppet accounts?
 
That's my thinking, hence the mod flag.
 
2:49 PM
I just noticed that SAP Q*A site has a very familiar looking notices: imgur.com/a/fzRJR35
 
@Dharman Looks unwelcoming
 
M--
3:12 PM
Please retract your votes from this one: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/47823294#47823294 OP edited the question and added a reproducible example (MCVE) Link: stackoverflow.com/questions/58824394/…
 
 
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5:28 PM
URRS stopped working for me. Does it work for everyone else?
 
nah, having the same issue
 
ok so it is not just me. phew.
yeah it seem to be hanging
 
@Makyen ^^
 
you mean I have to actually open the post to see it's status. <GASP>
lol
 
There are problems with the SE API at the moment. The issue began with getting "site is required" errors a couple of hours ago: SE API is randomly responding with “site is required” errors. I'm now also seeing CORS errors in multiple situations, but not all.
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5:43 PM
@Makyen yeah, I can confirm the CORS errors
 
M--
5:54 PM
This has been probably addressed already. Once in a while, I see different closure reasons like needs clarification(instead of Unclear), needs more focus (instead of TB), etc. It happened on two different days. Is it in the experimental phase? Anybody has a link to the meta post explaining it?
 
@M-- Yeah, it's AB testing. Just a sec for the link
 
M--
6:14 PM
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica Thank you!
 
Are we still in April or something?
Cue the sock puppet inflow.
I think down votes should then have more weight as well. lol :P
 
@Nkosi is it about +10rep for question Upvotes? Blog does not open for me currently
 
Yep questions now earn 10 on each up vote
and they will also apply it retroactively
 
6:23 PM
The Repocalypse has begun
 
So ALL questions with upvotes will gain the balance recalculated.
 
Now it takes 5 freaking down votes to counter one pitty upvote :(
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@Nkosi This has been leaked a couple/few of times on MSE. To the best of my knowledge 4+ separate questions about it, most, if not all, were deleted, because the leaks ultimately originated from a moderator disclosing information that was to remain moderator-private while it was being discussed and SE was getting feedback.
 
You get rep, and you get rep, and you get rep.....lol
 
k. I think this will decrease number of upvotes on questions because lot of users think twice before upvoting a question whether or not it erns +10
 
6:24 PM
@Selaron I'm not sure most people even think about how much rep it gives to the OP.
 
will they do a test phase in order to benchmark, just as they did with 3CV->Closed
 
I don't think about the rep for the upvote on question. I only care about downvote rep on answers and I wonder why is it so small
Maybe it will push me over 10k finally.
 
@Selaron A test phase is unlikely. They've officially announced it on the Blog. Things announced on the blog have seen very little backtracking.
 
Is the downvote on the question worth 2x as well?
 
<runs off to see how many question up vote I have> :P
 
6:34 PM
@Dharman nope
 
Downvoting cost 10 rep as well
 
@Nkosi Do you need more? You can't get any more privileges unless there are some super user privileges I don't know about.
 
lol
Don't you know about the Skeet Level.
 
If they gave me back all the reputation I lost for downvoting answers I would benefit from it much more
 
Joke is you can never reach it. Only be referred to as a measure of it.
 
7:07 PM
@Dharman: I think too broad for the first
 
Phrase of the day data-led re-evaluation
 
They're trying to create an app, not get a rec on an existing one or a how-to guide
 
@rene Sounds like a terrible use for an Arduino
If you like asking questions, SO has something for you
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M--
About last cv-pls: It can also be a typo if we assume that OP actually had the problem which was mentioned in the upvoted answers, but I'd rather run with what's written in the question (which is not much). Question has historical value, but does not require new answers.
 
@AndyG Let's meet in the middle and call it Unclear
 
7:14 PM
:-)
 
I counted that I would get ~980 rep from this. Noice!
 
user10957435
@Machavity So that post about a moderator leaking this was happening was right...
 
user10957435
Anyway, I don't have a lot of well-received questions, so this doesn't affect me much.
 
@Chipster Appears so, although there's no mention of this trying to benefit women
 
user10957435
@Machavity That's true.
 
7:29 PM
@Makyen Is the API down, because the recalculation script has started and is hogging all the server resources?
 
user10957435
So, that part might have been blown out of proportion...but we kind of figured that at the time anyway.
 
@Dharman That's my theory
 
I wish more women would be interested in programming.
 
I'm teaching my daughter programming at any rate
 
You keep her away from PHP will you?
 
7:32 PM
I'm teaching her mostly JavaScript at this point. That way she'll know scripting and Java
 
user10957435
When I get have kids, and I have a daughter, I should try and teach her programming.
 
@Chipster By then, we should be up to D++
 
@Dharman There's really no way for us to know. However, I wouldn't expect the CORS violation to be the error in that situation. I'd also expect them to kick off the recalc at a time corresponding with low usage. In addition, the system should be designed such that the extra load from recalculating wouldn't impact current uses. It's not like the recalc needs to take priority.
The recalc is something that will take a reasonable amount of wall-time, one way or the other. Having it set at a priority which causes harm to other uses of the system really isn't reasonable.
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user10957435
@rene Good fathers protect their daughters from awful things: drugs, alcohol, bad boys, and PHP. So, yes.
 
@Makyen Unless the recalc process runs on the API server...
 
user10957435
7:35 PM
@Machavity More like C++30
 
@Machavity True. SE's been using CORS violation responses to indicate some cases of violating request limits for a while now, so that might be related.
 
@Chipster bad boys
 
user10957435
@rene Good point.
 
8:23 PM
@Machavity once again Sara's flat-out wrong...
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Though I'm not so sure rep recalc has anything to do with the API/CORS issues w/ our scripts
 
M--
8:42 PM
isn't Raj a common Indian name? This is the second post just today by two different users (they were both called Raj) and sd reported them as blacklisted . It's like blacklisting John or Sarah, doesn't make any sense. Can it be manually changed/removed? referring to: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/47836267#47836267
 
@M-- I believe it is blacklisting the actual user, not just the display name
Otherwise, yes, it wouldn't be very useful to blacklist based on a display name which can easily be imitated and can be changed at will once a month
 
M--
@TylerH OK, now makes much more sense. I was mislead by the fact that two users with that name were reported today. Thanks Tyler.
 
I could be wrong; I'm not a super adept MS user. @Makyen or someone else could probably say for certain
 
9:05 PM
Are we permitted to mention that the accepted answer is wrong in cv-pls requests or del-pls requests? It is that considered irrelevant to a cv-pls request?
Seems like it may be more relevant to a del-pls request, but I could be wrong.
 
@M-- @TylerH Yes, unfortunately, someone did actually blacklist the name, not just the user. The name was removed from the username blacklist earlier today, but the running SD instance failed-over to an instance that had not yet puled the update that removed the name. The running SD instance, and all standby instances, have been pulled past the commits which removed that name from the blacklist and watchlist. I agree that it was inappropriate for it to be put on the blacklist to begin with.
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica For a del-pls, it would be appropriate, provided you were trying to delete the answer. For cv-pls and del-pls regarding questions, the status of answers is irrelevant
 
9:34 PM
@Machavity What if I think that both the question and the answer(s) are low quality and ought to be deleted? Is it allowed in that case?
 
focus on the question, so no, that is not needed in that case
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Deleting the question also deletes all the answers. It doesn't make sense to delete a question just to nuke an answer. If someone wants to argue for keeping an answer by not deleting a question, that is acceptable, though
 
10:10 PM
Welp! I am officially one of the 10k-ers. Even though I kind of expressed my disapproval for this change in the answer on the Meta post, I am happy for the additional 1k rep.
 
@Dharman Congrats. Here is some 10K fun for you: 1, 2, 3
 
Well, SO is now no longer my top network site after the rep recalculation. I guess I should’ve asked more questions here :)
 
10:22 PM
I got about 400 rep on SO. North of 1200 on Politics tho
 
11:06 PM
is Meta down for anyone else?
 
Yes, for the past +30min
 
hm
 
Should we ask on Meta why is Meta down?
 
ah finally loaded an "offline for maintenance" message
took 5 mins
 
What are the rules around delete votes? Can I cast them multiple times if I am really undecided or like the rest(CV, flags) once I retract I can't vote again.
Why does it tell me I have 5 votes remaining all the time, even if I voted 5 times?
 
11:16 PM
@Dharman What did you vote on?
 
stuff...
 
I mean delete votes. No need to tell me which
@Dharman I chipped in and I see you as a voter
 
This delete logic is really strange (read: buggy). The post gets blurred out and I need to refresh even though I can see delete posts.
 
If you're the final vote, yes
 
Now when I refreshed the page it tells me I have 0 votes remaining.
Is there a way to find out if I asked for something to be del-pls here? Other than scrolling through pages of transcript?
 
11:24 PM
@Dharman Can always search the graveyard. Here's your list
 
@Dharman it's cached based on the state of the page. If you have 5 votes, and then open 5 questions (one in each tab), and then delete vote the posts on 4 of them, then when you get over to the 5th tab and click "delete" it pops up a modal, which doesn't refresh the page state or cache. If you refresh the 5th tab and then click 'delete' you will see that you have 1 vote remaining
Delete votes stick around forever, but you can only cast 1. So if you delete a question via a vote and it gets undeleted, you cannot vote to delete it a second time
IIRC
@Dharman The post getting blurred out and a modal popping up is what you see no matter what rep you are. When you click it, it refreshes the page to show the new state -- if you were under 10k and you saw that happen in real time, then when you click it, the post would just be gone. Now that you have more than 10k rep, you can see it, just in its soft-deleted state (e.g. red background, faded, etc.)
 
How do I know if I have voted on particular post to be deleted before all the votes are in?
 

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