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3:56 AM
I’m struggling a bit to decide whether to close-vote stackoverflow.com/questions/58419142/…. It’s not a bad question but I can’t imagine it being answerable in a definitive way. Instead at best it seems like it’s just going to elicit comments and opinions without leading to any kind of useful resolution/solution.
 
@SamuelLiew thanks ;)
@sideshowbarker yeah, that is unfortunate but seems POB indeed.
 
 
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7:44 AM
I'm tempted to say "setupz is a really lame misspelling for your spam site", but I guess that won't be appreciated by the mods.
@Lankymart I'd rather go unclear there, as there isn't even a question asked, just a "I get this character". No why, how to remove it or similar
 
8:25 AM
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8:41 AM
@Makyen Please delete this cv-pls request of mine - the user edited her question adequately.
 
9:30 AM
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
10:19 AM
pinging @shree - See above ^
@Dharman Worth leaving a comment explaining why answers should be red-flagged?
(tbh not being a JS dev I don't really understand it either)
 
They are testing the waters with alert(1). It is how you usually test if something is vulnerable to XSS
They tried it with a hyperlink, SVG and IIFE
3 different attempts at breaking the site
The question was about Python, so it was definitely not an attempt at answering it at all
 
@Dharman Ah cheers. Worth modflagging then? I don't think R/A flags would work here
 
Maybe you are right.
 
11:01 AM
 
11:42 AM
@rene please delete this cv-pls request of mine. OP edit.
 
12:06 PM
@MichaelDodd FYI, the answers got deleted and user was nuked. My 2 R/A flags got marked as helpful, but the mod flag has not been handled yet.
 
12:26 PM
@Dharman and edited, that's why it has the ✏️
 
1:06 PM
Oh, btw, morning
 
o/
 
1:28 PM
o/
 
@EJoshuaS Need some lens cleaner? ;)
 
1:42 PM
Is this answer plagiarism? (SD report) Basically they had an answer just dumping the link, now they copied all text literally from the link to the question and attributed it..
 
@Adriaan It discloses attribution, so it's not plagiarism. You can go the extra mile and check whether the content pasted is properly licensed on the source, but tbh meh
 
@Adriaan Yes. If all the post contains is copied information, even if it is attributed, it is plagiarism.
 
And plop
@NathanOliver Oh?
 
Think of uploading a movie to youtube. Even if you attribute, you still can't do it.
Let me get the meta Q
 
@PaulStenne If it's directly copied with no further insight from OP, then it's plagiarism, even with attribution. Posting someone else's work for magical internet points
Had a flag approved for exactly that about an hour ago
 
Thanks folks
@Adriaan So, exactly the contrary of what I said
 
I guess someone modflagged it for that reason, because the answer is now mod deleted
 
@Adriaan raises hand
 
@PaulStenne It's okay. We know this is your busy season with all the nuts you need to collect before winter comes.
 
I've been in so many meetings I'm literally voiceless now
 
1:51 PM
gunr, is that you
 
I think I screwed up when I picked a hooman for flaying and accidentally got into gunr's life
 
Give us back the spearrel! Give us back the spearrel!
 
Asynchronous stuff is something related to JavaScript, not PHP. So closing it as PoB and question in the above post is not affected by the choice taken. — Praveen Kumar Purushothaman 4 mins ago
 
@NathanOliver Something like that :) Or lens blockers.
Is “user is asking us for help writing malicious software “ a valid close reason?
 
2:00 PM
@EJoshuaS I think there's a Meta about that
This one and related
 
@NathanOliver copyright protections are different from plagiarism, FWIW
one has legal protection and the other does not
 
Isn't plagiarism a form of copyright violation?
 
I started reading the conversation, and then the name and avatart changed and I was so confused
 
No, plagiarism is simply an honor thing -- you're implicitly or explicitly indicating something is your work when it is not
copyright violation is when something has copy/trade dress protection under the law and is distributed without authorization
(typically the issue is it doesn't put money into the hands of the copyright owner when it should)
 
@Dharman Haha sorry about that
 
2:09 PM
"should" is POB
 
However, mods do often delete wholesale copied content because it's basically a no-effort dunk attempt, even if it's properly attributed. It's not a super consistent practice though as there are a lot of answers that are simply quotes from specs or other sites
 
SOMEONE MURDERED PAUL STE... wait...
 
@NathanOliver see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism#Legal_aspects for more on the legal side
@Kyll The squirrel is dead! Long live the squirrel!
 
Plop again folks
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@Kyll \0/
 
2:11 PM
@TylerH you have achieved perfection not when there's nothing left to add, but when there's nothing left to remove. If a bare quote suffices, it must be best practice!
 
@Kyll o///////
 
@Kyll You picked a totally quiet time to return. There's no drama or anything
 
@Machavity Still feeling the summer breeze on SO heh
 
@Kyll You back! I am so excited that I almost went and copied @JonClements behaviour and ran in circles chasing me own tail!
 
That's how we wrecked the flower bed last time
@Adriaan Aw man, now you got us in trouble with Jon
 
2:25 PM
@Adriaan you should try it, it's fun... :)
mind you... can't you actually just lean slightly and catch it with your trunk anyway?/
 
@JonClements I might wait a couple of hours for that, then I am back on EU soil. Might be legally better
 
@JonClements I'm too fat for that, and/or my tail isn't long enough.
 
on a side note: have found a few multi-player maps in Portal2 that might look interesting
 
Portal 2 is a multiplayer game?
 
2:28 PM
@JonClements ohhh, I'll install it again in that case. Note that I only have a very crappy laptop nowadays, so I'll have to see whether it works. Shouldn't be too big of a hassle, L4D2 also works (on the lowest settings and half-resolution though)
 
@TylerH Yes. A rather clever one too. But it's only two players
 
@JonClements I swear you must have some kind of script running to report when your name appears somewhere
 
@TylerH as it has been for the last 8 years at least
 
@TylerH yeah - the game itself has a co-op mode which is completely different levels than the single-player
 
@Kyll Bhargav has; if you say his name three times, he joins the chatroom. We had fun with that over in the MATLAB room lready
 
2:29 PM
Interesting (I've never played either Portal game), I thought it was a single player puzzle game series
 
@Adriaan Oh, head to the Ministry then
@TylerH The second one has a coop mode as well, in which "coop" mostly means "avoid being the first one to gravity-jump above the acid pool"
 
@Kyll errr.... you mean something really clever where-by someone puts @JonClements in a message and since I've been in the room recently - I get a chat ping like everyone else would...
 
@JonClements Oh hey there was an @ in there. Nice.
... welp.
 
Still got 2 copies of Trine 2 going spare
 
@JonClements haruumph! Haruuumph! Let's play? :D
Well, in the near future that is (which with you always turns to distant future)
 
2:32 PM
Hah, would be nice to game a bit yeah
 
@Adriaan well, still got you on steam... haven't we tried Trine 2 and did more miserably than Portal 2?
 
For sure we did
 
omg I remember Hero Siege
 
We both were wondering how I suddenly managed to conjure up board instead of only boxes :P
 
oh yeah... we should all install the free StarCraft 1 and do an 8 player map or something - that'd be a laugh
 
2:35 PM
@Kyll That was awesome! I did stop playing at some point though because of a change they made. You only went up one wormhole level when winning, but you also lost a wormhole level when losing. Espcially the latter irked me, as I never could go beyond ~17 in solo mode again
 
@JonClements I suck at strategy games
@Adriaan Aw
 
@Kyll sounds good to me - I might not come last then :p
 
@JonClements that'd be fun :-D
remastered though pls
 
ahh.. is that the paid for one?
 
I'm not sure? SC1 was always a paid game?
 
2:37 PM
not now... free to download and install
 
Oh
 
Starcraft 2 is, I didn't know about SC1
 
you can pay a tenner or something to get one that's got HD graphics, but SC1 with the Brood Wars expansion pact is free now
 
Is it available for Linux?
 
anyway, I think the Remastered/HD SC1 is a game you get for free if you've ever bought it or SC2, not sure though
@Kyll I think the answer to that is "no" for any game
 
2:38 PM
@Kyll yup... works under linux for me
 
@TylerH You'd be surprised then
@JonClements Well this is starting to sound interesting
 
@Kyll Probably, I was surprised to learn that Portal was a multiplayer game
 
Doesn't the steam linux extension make most games playable on linux now?
 
@TylerH Original sprite SC1 is free (includes brood Wars). Remastered and Cartooned cost $10 each
 
@Kyll yup... I'm just distracting you while the elephant sneaks up behind you - we've gots bets on to see how far we can throw a spearrel :p
@Adriaan quick! go now!
 
2:39 PM
@NathanOliver Are you telling me the year of the Linux desktop already came and went?
 
@NathanOliver Yeah, although it works so well I'm pretty sure there are ritual sacrifices involved at some point
 
Throws spearrel towards puppy
 
screams inelegantly
 
@TylerH It's only just begun. 5-10 years Windows will just be a linux distro and we'll all be compatible :)
 
@NathanOliver you mean proton? I think it only officially supports certain games, but it's steam's version of WINE....
 
2:41 PM
@JonClements IDK. I just know steam has something that is supposed to make most windows games playable through steam.
 
Ooh, I also started to play Rivals of Aether recently if anyone wants to try it
@NathanOliver Yep, WINE on steroids
 
yeah... that'd be proton @Nathan... Steam forked the WINE project and such
 
Somehow Steam made a stable, usable version of WINE. 2019 is crazy
 
Aha. Cool to finally know the name
 
@Adriaan Are you trying to kyll him?
 
2:47 PM
@Kyll mostly stable (but definitely more so) - but definitely nice to have a commercial company with some resources helping out with bits - everyone benefits from it
 
@NathanOliver Great, that will mean I finally will be able to install Windows Updates without having to restart my damn computer
 
One can only hope.
 
Alternatively, Windows continues its OSS direction and creates its own Linux distro called Winux
 
@Kyll okay... was looking to catch you safely... but still haven't seen you... how far did you throw 'em @Adriaan... sheesh - you don't realise your own strength sometimes...
 
keeps it separate from the Windows proper
 
2:53 PM
@TylerH Shipping with .NET Core 5
 
@JonClements sorry, he might be in orbit by now. I'll reach out with my trunk to try and catch him
 
floats
 
shall we move gaming stuff to the hat room? While there's not much else going on, I wouldn't want to detract from its purpose.
@Adriaan so your trunk's big enough to reach into orbit, but not big enough to reach your own tail... that's err... quite an awkward thing to visualise :)
 
^ left a comment. Don't feel ready to cast a red flag yet without a warning
 
@MichaelDodd three posts within 10 minutes, all nothing but blatant "USE MA THANG!". I'll red flag that, warning or not
 
3:02 PM
Though at -13 collectively I don't think they'd be able to post any more for now regardless
Mod deleted by the looks of it
 
yeah, the angry Dutch man got it ... ;)
 
@JonClements The first rule of Kyll club is... uhm... I forget
 
@Machavity throw him into orbit? :p
 
3:18 PM
@JonClements I might just have latched onto a satellite I use in my daily work to study Mars....
 
I would go Nuts
 
3:35 PM
@Machavity It has 6 answers...What?
 
@Dharman Top answer admits it was a guess
 
Two by the same user, and the other two are NAAs
 
4:02 PM
@Dharman because of the vote fuzzing people don't know it's got 6 downvotes
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so the most useful signal to stay away is missing
 
4:16 PM
Luckily the experiment is scheduled to end this coming Wednesday.
 
@Machavity It should probably be deleted, at least that would be my opinion. It has been around for few months and is still unclear and the answers are just guesses.
 
Hopefully my vote will finally break the fuzzing ... nope.
 
4:54 PM
I mean, I know it is the fault of the experiment, but don't beat the dead horse, John
 
In before "as we all expected, the experiment was a total disaster. Never the less, we'll be implementing it because it's what the askers like to see"
 
^ smh (facepalm)
 
@Dharman The experiment exists to find out what happens with voting when an accurate score isn't presented. Personally, I want the experiment to clearly indicate that messing with the displayed votes is a bad idea. I think that will be achieved if people just act based on the displayed score. Thus, I'm just voting on things based on the score SE is showing, without putting out effort to find the real score. This has resulted in me downvoting a lot more than I would normally.
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that ^
 
I would love if they opened it up for discussion once it is over. People could post their experiences/feelings with the hidden votes.
I, for one, started downvoting before checking the score and then clicking to see how many people downvoted before me. Turns out that most the time my vote wasn't needed, but I would not take it back. 3 votes are enough, but due to this I was finding myself casting the 10th vote, which is just a waste of my votes.
I am in all 3 groups, so I could compare the behaviour on myself
 
5:11 PM
Maybe we can have posters identify the score they think their question is and show that instead.
 
@JonClements As long as no other conversation is going on, it's fine ^-^
 
On Mobile for example, I can't check without switching to desktop version, so I just stopped caring and downvote without holding back
I mean, if SO doesn't show me whether my vote is needed or not, why would I care to check.
However the OP might have been in the A group and they saw very negative score (it did happen to me), which is completely ridiculous that a user with 10 rep has more information than I do
 
5:40 PM
I never held back even before the fuzzing
 
@JohnDvorak The fuzzing? Sounds like something rene does ;)
 
Coined by TylerH I believe
 
@NathanOliver I though with @rene it was the blurring
 
blurry, fuzzy pixels, same diff ;)
 
 
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9:16 PM
Sad News: Jon is stepping down :( meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/390525/…
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yup
 
Ooh dear
 
Noooooooooooooo(Dark Vader voice)
 
9:31 PM
 
9:50 PM
 
@Machavity Now I wish I could go back and edit that in. lol
and fix my spelling typo
 
10:04 PM
 
user10957435
10:24 PM
+3k now! Now I can actually help close questions instead of just flaging them or putting a cv-pls request here! Is there anything I should know about my new-found power?
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user10957435
@NathanOliver Ugh. Who are they going to find to fill all these positions? I have this strange feeling no one is going to want to become a moderator after seeing all the current moderators' feelings that SE doesn't have their back.
 
@Chipster "With great power comes great responsibility."
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user10957435
@Makyen Lol. Well said, I recon.
 

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