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5:52 AM
For a long time I've been a "lurking" volunteer SO moderator,
participating on SOCVR and casting close votes and delete votes (I
occasionally disagree and just ignore the question). I joined SO when it
was very young (2008) and the emphasis was on interesting, answerable
and meaningful questions. Over time the frequency of interesting
questions that merited my investment of time to answer grew smaller and
smaller, buried in the avalanche of duplicates, "do/finish my homework",
and things like "How do I write a Web App like [insert social media app
 
6:25 AM
@JimGarrison Thanks for your hard work. Enjoy the life you found. (Intentionally punning the often snarky comment, but meaning it honestly; no cynicism or sarcasm intended.)
 
 
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@treyBake Looks like this OP could use some help in framing their question too
Plop
 
8:56 AM
wait, which one? haha :p
 
The second one
The first one would just need some guidance from the help center on MCVEs
 
maybe.. does closing a browser stop/cancel a request that's already in progress though? I thought triggering php (or anything server-side) via ajax would mean the server is still doing the process, it's just the client won't pick up on it as it's no longer there?
 
@treyBake Maybe there's some builtin cancellation. No idea, hence the need for an MCVE
 
@PaulStenne ah, I'm with ya now :)
 
@treyBake I would argue this one's on-topic. It's not asking "What do you think of this code" which is kinda what you would send on CR, instead it's more of a "Did it in way A, is it possible in way B". As long as way A works and way B is clear, it's pretty much fine no?
 
Zoe
9:09 AM
Close to instant upvote on that one too
Flagging for mod attention for good measure
 
@Zoe One of the answers is plagiarism of another answer from 5 years prior
 
Zoe
Not surprised.
 
@PaulStenne maybe, but would it not boil down to POB at some point? After re-reading the question and answer given, seems like what's deemed ugly is a very personal thing
 
@treyBake If the question was "How to make this prettier yeah", but in this case OP clearly advertised one way to do it which didn't work.
The question could use some editing love though, particularly on the title
 
9:24 AM
I think it would take a lot of editing to make it OK for me personally.. I just feel like most answers would end in "but that's just my opinion". There is no real absolute and factual way to rewrite code so that it's less ugly - what's ugly is a perspective thing
 
 
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10:47 AM
@Lankymart maybe add stackoverflow.com/questions/18804267/… as a secondary duplicate if we have any people here?
 
11:46 AM
Is this unclear to everyone or just me? (before i cv-pls it)
 
100% too broad if not anything else - but I'd say unclear due to being too broad (if that makes sense)
 
thanks
 
@tripleee The question is about counting lines in a file not sure how creating a popup would be relevant tbh.
@tripleee My bad didn't read the last sentences about customizing the text in a message box.
 
12:19 PM
Morning
 
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2:00 PM
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2:31 PM
In other news, according to Nick Craver's tweets, SO/SE is close to migrating the site over to ASP.NET Core
 
2:54 PM
@TylerH Could you explain to someone with no ASP experience, what it means to migrate to ASP.NET Core?
 
I wonder if Neo knows they are moving in on the core. Must be what the next movie is about
 
Zoe
@Dharman /cc @StephenKennedy
 
If you down vote an answer, and the post gets moved to another site, what happens to the rep? Does it change if you do or don't have an account on the other site?
 
@NathanOliver So, there is no spoon ASP.NET Core?
 
3:04 PM
Life would be better that way ;)
 
@NathanOliver Rep is assigned upon the move, based on the votes, not users. I had an answer on Meta.SO get moved to Meta.SE and got like 750 rep. I doubt all those upvoters had accounts on Meta.SE
 
On unrelated note, why does the question need to be closed before posting del-pls?
 
But what about the voters. If I down voted, and t is no longer on the site, do I get the rep back or does it stay gone since it is still in the network?
@Dharman Because you can't delete a question unless it is closed, or you are a mod
 
With 5 CV it is unlikely that the question will be closed organically before the votes wither away and there is no chance of posting del-pls
 
The interesting part is what happens to the -1. It should (in theory) refund upon move and be re-applied if you register on the new site. I'm not sure on that, tho
 
3:08 PM
That's what I'm wondering
 
I just edited a question that was posted and closed yesterday. Is this activity recent enough to ask for reopening here?
 
Yeah. Post from yesterday are fine. Recent for us is like months, not hours
 
I almost never get to vote to reopen something, so I will be happy to cast my vote
I think people who cast their votes on the question which got reopened should be pinged by the system. Give them a chance to change their vote.
 
@Zoe It's really hard to give a tl;dr to that, not least because up to version 2.x ASP.NET Core can be used in conjunction with the legacy .NET Framework! I imagine they've gone all the way and target .NET Core. They will have to had to rewrite quite a lot of code. The benefits are that Core is cross platform, faster, and state of the art (arguably). Core will replace legacy .NET next year so they've also ensured they're not stuck on a dead stack. cc @Dharman
 
I always heard .NET sucked - but coming from a PHP background I imagine that was just people in the PHP community xD What's Core like to learn? Is it mainly for websites or is it more general?
 
3:16 PM
@Dharman it means a lot of rewriting. beyond that I can't really say -- I don't write MVC (what SO/SE is now) or Core (what SO/SE is moving to)
 
When SE first started they used Linq to SQL as their ORM (as does the company I work for). They've been gradually moving their data layer over to their own library Dapper. I can only imagine that process is now complete as Linq to Sql is not available in Core. RIP.
 
You can read a bit more about it here meta.stackexchange.com/questions/316278/…
though for more updates, follow Nick Craver on twitter, or wait til they're done and I'm sure they'll post a big blog post
 
@TylerH I have a Core 3.0 service in production already :) [A Windows service which pushes data to a Kafka cluster]
@treyBake .NET Core is a cross-platform replacement for the .NET Framework (think Java). You can write console apps and services with it, and Windows forms/GUI apps. ASP.NET Core is the web side of things (MVC/REST/gRPC etc), also cross-platform. There's a high performance embedded web server available too (Kestrel)...
 
ahhh I see, need to look more into languages, PHP is fun and beautiful an' all, but I feel like it's restricting my knowledge of certain design patterns that aren't really touched upon in webdev
 
In my experience so far you can get an awful lot done with not a lot of code, but I'm not the best person to ask about how easy it is to learn as a lot of knowledge is transferrable from .NET (not least the language, C#) and I've been using that for donkeys years.
@treyBake Any design patterns in particular?
 
3:30 PM
Yeah with ya.. I've started doing some Java as it seemed like a nice stepping stone into the world of C, so hopefully once I do that, I can start diving into the bottom of the C C C
Nothing in particular, just want to expand on the theory side of development and feel like that'll be more achievable with a language that's more generalist rather than web-specific
 
3:43 PM
@treyBake Happy to help if you have any questions. I'm usually to be found in Dawg's Waffle Haus, where such chit chat is always welcome :)
shakes fist at Zoe for asking me a difficult question
 
@StephenKennedy ahh is that where you've been lately :D thank you, will be sure to ask away (but not before checking for dupes online ;))
 
Zoe
I'm gonna get addicted to these, lmao
 
@treyBake Most of my spare time recently has been spent following the tragicomedy called British politics :/
 
yeah.. it does seem like a hilarious film at the moment, except it's not so funny because the consequences are extremely real haha
 
Maybe Trumxit well help distract you from Brexit
 
3:52 PM
I saw something about some favour-exchange but haven't actually seen much else on him lately.. maybe now Johnson is in office (for how long? hehe) they've stopped all the reports due to their friendship (and strange likeness xD) #Conspiracy
 
4:11 PM
If the OP admits that their question doesn’t conform to site rules, are we permitted to state that in requests?
Or even in that case should we merely state what we think the problem is with the post?
 
4:35 PM
@EJoshuaS Stating facts about the question alongside an actual close reason, where those facts are intended to make it easier for readers to evaluate the request (to choose to click to the question) or evaluate if the question is off-topic is fine.
 
@EJoshuaS It's when you get into commentary (i.e. "This question is terrible") that we want you to stop and stick to valid reasons. The comments are biasing to people reviewing the question. Stating the OP said something is not an opinion
 
4:59 PM
@NathanOliver I prefer to spell it Trumpzit
 
@Machavity In this case, the OP admitted that they were expecting the question to be downvoted. We don’t really do downvotes here, but that clearly implies that they know that the question has quality problems. How should we say it in that cast? “OP admits that the question is low quality”?
 
@StephenKennedy nice!
@EJoshuaS If all OP said about their Q was that it's likely to get downvotes (and not why they think it's likely to get downvotes), I would say no, as lots of people are just pessimistic about their chances with things (especially when that thing is a question on Stack Overflow :-))
 
@TylerH Good point. Part of me wonders if they knew that their question was overly broad and lacking sufficient research effort, though.
 
If you think the Q is off-topic without including the downvotes blurb, then by all means feel free to post a cv-pls using the off-topic reason
But if you think the Q might be off-topic only because of the blurb, then it's best not to post one. (And, after all, "low quality" is a downvote reason, not a close vote reason)
That's my take
 
5:11 PM
Is this question unclear? Or am I missing something?
 
Issue I think is about output in their second picture, would go no MCVE because it relies on output being present in the question itself
 
@TylerH True.
Oh, I see now. The OP doesn’t like how it’s displayed in the console.
 
Yes
 
Hmmmmm... been about 10 years for me for C++. Any opinions on whether that question is answerable?
 
I've edited the post to be more clear
I think the issue is clear, OP is using some weird symbol for "I"
 
5:18 PM
Yeah, the edit helps.
 
gave another one after his comment
slowly uncovering some more details as OP gives the required information...
 
5:35 PM
Are there any rules regarding del-pls for answers? I could not find anything in FAQ.
I see an answer which as per my understanding was just another question posted as an answer (code-only me too) and does not attempt to answer the question, but also will be definitely declined if I flag NAA
 
@Dharman I'm not really sure what you're asking. There are rules that apply to all del-pls requests and rules that apply to all requests. A subset of those requests are for answers, so, yes, there are rules that apply to del-pls requests for answers.
 
@Dharman you can del-pls those
 
I mean, am I allowed to post such a request here.
 
@Dharman That depends on the answer. It also depends on the current score for the answer (i.e. if the score is > 0, then no, it is not permitted, because it's not within 1 downvote of being eligible for delete voting).
 
7:01 PM
 
7:28 PM
And SO went down
 
7:39 PM
Finally went down on me :(
 
Zoe
huh?
 
SO/SE is having issues
 
Zoe
Who do we blame? Caching! Yes - really!
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and it's back (here at least)
 
That was weird. It logged me out
 
7:47 PM
Tim post finally replied to the license change. He didn't answer any of the legal questions though. Most likely someone will have to sue as it looks like they are not budging. So sad.
Reminds me of a certain president.
 
On what basis did your attorneys determine that the retroactive change was allowed? — jhpratt 21 mins ago
 
That reminds me: I recently saw a website give proper attribution to a photograph hosted on Wikipedia (they credited the author and not just Wikipedia). I almost fell off my chair.
 
I doubt they'll respond. Their attorney has probably advised them to not speak on any of the legal aspects so there is no evidence in the public domain of what they do or do not know.
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy you need a better chair if you just randomly fall off it
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Zoe
7:54 PM
@NathanOliver I've asked before and I'll ask again: are we sure they still have lawyers, and didn't replace them all with sales staff?
 
Wait, there's patch notes
 
@Zoe His exact words are legal counsel so for all we know it could be a magic 8 ball
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> Shog 9.1.20190927 Added lawyers
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@Zoe help! send a better chair pse!
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy You're not getting mine :squint:
 
8:40 PM
 
9:33 PM
 
sao
anyone want 50 rep bounty? first decent answer gets it, afraid im gonna lose the points and not get my badge
 
@sao Hi and welcome to the room. We don't allow oneboxes here - please see our FAQ at socvr.org
 
Zoe
wow, over 400 votes and not a single answer. Don't think I've seen that before O.o
 
@Zoe Are you able to answer it? Would likely pick up a lot of rep...
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy maybe. I've answered a lot of questions without having any previous knowledge. It's kinda a hobby :p
 
10:11 PM
@Zoe There is plenty more to take a look at. :) stackoverflow.com/…
 

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