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12:36 AM
 
12:59 AM
Did chat moved domains?
 
1:12 AM
@Braiam Not that I'm aware of. What indications are you seeing?
 
Well, I think I had them whitelisted in NoScript. Now I see that chat has its own cdn.
 
1:28 AM
@Braiam I don't specifically recall previously seeing cdn-chat.sstatic.net, but I'd been triggering on sstatic.net, so I'm not sure.
 
2:55 AM
Shog just dropped a few 3-CV experiment graphs in The Meta Room here chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/47282165#47282165
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8:15 AM
I'm somehow not sure if this is a sarcastic/unfriendly comment: ok thanks for editing my post chootiye!
 
@Selaron if anything, it is no longer needed
@Selaron a google search seems to suggest it is unfriendly.
 
Yes except if the OP likes to treat every SO user as a friend. This word is 'interesting' ^^
 
might need a mod flag to explain, as it is culture dependent.
 
9:07 AM
 
@TylerH you being a CSS person, do you remember why it was decided to use solely for CSS purposes? There's a new meta question suggesting to remove the CSS reference.
 
9:40 AM
o/
 
10:35 AM
@tripleee this ^
 
I was quick enough to have it open when the grace period edit happened
 
I was kind of wired but the grace period clarified it - thx
 
11:36 AM
Should I VTC this question and if so which type should I use? stackoverflow.com/questions/57677940/…
 
@Dharman Why do you ask?
Plop everyone
 
@Dharman I'd say that's Unclear, POB, and Too Broad. Take your pick.
 
It looks to me like a question to the support of that service
 
POB? why?
I went TB
 
11:44 AM
@Dharman Indeed, and I voted to close it. Please simply make sure to state the reason you're skeptical about a question when you bring it into the room =)
 
Asking for undeletion of a question where I have answered (OP deleted probably because we told him off in the comments afterwards) is not acceptable here right?
 
Let me check the bible
Can't see anything about it in the FAQ. We did have a rule in place, which may have changed. I'll let another RO confirm, for now here is my stance on the subject: I'd allow it with a disclaimer. To be confirmed.
 
@Adriaan I'd be concerned, though, to avoid "telling off" users in the future. That's not really that Nice.
 
For now, please hold your request.
And what do you mean "told him off"?
 
With that I mean that I provided a solution, then OP rephrased to invalidate my solution, and I commented that they shouldn't change the question to invalidate existing answers, instead see whether this works and then ask a follow up (He wanted "any" solution, then I provided one with loops, and then he changed the Q to require a loopless solution)
I remained polite of course, but they may have taken offence anywya
 
11:57 AM
If he deleted, your answer has zero votes. Is it worth undeleting? Or better just forget it?
Like, if it's a simple solution it might not be worth the hassle. If it's something that should stay, then we should put the effort.
Smells like Australian stables now...
 
IMO it's not very simple (an if nested in a triple for loop)
 
useful for future users?
 
Yes, and especially because in the MATLAB room there's people with different solutions from mine
 
Given the context, I'd side with the undeletion. Let's see what other ROs say ^-^
 
> Adding the explicit requirement to not use loops is A) based on a false premise (since the JIT overhaul loops are no longer slow), and B) invalidates existing answers. If you want a loop free solution, please first verify whether the answer provided works for your case, then try to vectorise it yourself. Stack Overflow is not a free coding service.
That was the comment I left, after they changed the question to include the no-loops requirement
 
12:04 PM
But closed. :D
 
@Shree Seems like the situation is different (or entirely weird given the last comment) than Adriaan's
 
Not necessarily; question comes in, you answer, Q gets deleted along with your answer. Mine has a bit more background to it, given the question editing, but the general idea remains the same
OP's can self-delete provided there are <2 answers, and not a single upvote on the answer (if there is one). Meaning that in small traffic tags, which I consider MATLAB to be for this case, it's fairly common to not get more than a single answer, and no votes in the first couple of hours
@Shree thanks, left a comment with my case there. Seems to be that that was not the concern from people to close that meta.
 
12:24 PM
Morning
 
@Dharman is that the target or?
 
Yep
 
Plop Nathan
@Dharman Do post the question you want to be closed as dupe, not the dupe target please =)
 
Sorry fixed
Fat fingers on mobile
 
@Adriaan @Nathan
 
12:26 PM
@PaulStenne it's been reopened already, but having a consensus for the general case would be nice
 
@Dharman oof, cv requests on mobile, no thanks xD
 
@Adriaan Oh, okay
 
12:48 PM
I had a typo in an answer from 2016. :(
 
@NathanOliver free bump :P
 
I got a downvote on a question which hasn't been active for 21 months :(
 
:)
@NickA Those random drive by's without a comment can be really annoying. Even more so when it has only positive votes and then you just get a random down vote.
 
@NathanOliver I stopped caring about rep a long time ago. However, I still want that MATLAB gold. Given how hard it is to get any vote in that tag, drive-by downvotes on old questions are tough to take
 
@NathanOliver Nah it's +4/-4, quite divisive lol
 
12:53 PM
Oh. That's better but still s***s
 
Yep, especially as only 40 rep from 5k :S
 
You can do itttttttttttt
 
@NickA 5k isn't a threshold for anything right?
 
Tag wiki edits?
Yep. Can approve those.
 
Yep, tag wiki reviews
 
12:55 PM
Adds a whole new dimension to the suggested edit review queue.
 
Yeah, and I spend a lot of time in there, coming up on 4k reviews
 
Just make sure when doing those that you check for plagiarism. Most of the ones I get are straight up copied from Wikipedia or the website for the resource.
 
Would You Rather have:
- a 4k monitor for free
- 4k reviews on Stack Overflow
 
@JohnDvorak I have a 4k monitor, and no room for another, so...
 
@JohnDvorak Can I has 2K @ 240hz instead?
 
12:57 PM
that's way overkill
 
@NathanOliver what's the advantage to have 240hz?
 
@JohnDvorak neither; the latter is meaningless internet points, the former is quite useless to me because MathWorks hasn't implemented support for 4K screens on Linux yet (their official solution is to screw up your DPI and resolution system wide to make MATLAB readable)
 
unless you're a first person shooter professional, that is
 
for fps games
 
@kayess Well, if you can do more than 144 fps then you can actually "see" them.
 
12:58 PM
@NathanOliver see whom? The error messages of your c++ linker? :p
 
I prefer 4K over high fps because the games I play don't need high fps :P
 
@JohnDvorak I wouldn't say I'm a professional but I do do a lot of first person shooters
 
doo-doo
 
I suck at fps, but I prefer smooth running frames than quality of the pixels
 
only in super-rare cases and even then I suspect motion blur on a 30fps display would do just as well
 
12:59 PM
much nicer to play a smooth-as-anything game then a game that looks amazing at 30fps
 
yeah, fps as in first person shooter?
 
iirc most human's eyes don't do much more than 30fps anyway
 
unless next to a number, in which case - frames per second :p
 
Am I the only one that turns AA off because they prefer the sharp edges?
 
I do too^ :D
 
1:00 PM
@Adriaan Correct, but more frequent refreshes means that stuff can become visible (e.g from coming out from behind a corner) sooner
 
@Adriaan At least 150. Supposedly we can potentially "see" 1000 fps
 
by "see" I suppose you mean "there are correlations in the optic nerve that are summarily discarded by the brain at the first opportunity"?
 
@NathanOliver is that from one of those experiments where they insert 1/100 frames a coca cola logo in a movie and then see what it does to sales during the break?
 
Or, by "see" do you mean, "if a flickering object is moving fast enough, we can tell it's flickering" (in which case there's no limit to the frequency thus seen)
 
@JohnDvorak Yes. The eye detects it, whether or not the brain decides to keep it is another issue. That is part of the reason you can see blurry images because you brain fills in the gaps faster than the monitor can show it.
 
1:03 PM
if it doesn't get used by the brain, it's useless
I can't even reliably distinguish 30/60 without direct comparison
 
I can be though. It just depends.
No?
I find it pretty easy.
 
30fps feels like playing with lag
 
perhaps there just isn't enough video content on Youtube at 60 FPS
 
It depends more than on just playback framerate though, if whatever you're watching/playing only has a 30fps update loop/filming framerate, you're not going to see a difference
 
That too
 
1:06 PM
Slow-mo guys on youtube only upload at 25fps but did anyone notice that?
 
One would hope that if a video is advertised as 60 FPS, it actually uses a 60-FPS source.
 
@JohnDvorak One would, but there's plenty videos on youtube that can play at 4K and definitely do not have a 4K source
 
But then again, I have personally encountered music videos advertised as "high quality sound" that sounded like a cassette tape played on a cheap stereo in a shower.
 
@JohnDvorak "SOCVR Theme Tune - John Dvorak [HIGH QUALITY AUDIO - WITH LYRICS]"
 
that could just be due to production and compression choices^
and a slight tangent-y question: is using Redis to store fetched MySQL data a good idea? Or is that kinda taking away from the real power of Redis? In which case, should I be looking into memcached instead?
 
1:11 PM
What they say: "high quality music"; What they mean: "recorded on a cellphone in a crowded pub over 20 shoulders. You can literally hear somebody coughing."
 
@Adriaan I don't know (let alone remember) why it was decided but it has been used for CSS exclusively since it was created
 
Reminds me of my torrenting days where FULL QUALITY HD was a cam from Russia with dubbed audio.
 
@TylerH thanks. Looking at the provided screenshot it seems to be ~45% of all *-overflow usage, and with that the largest among those. I agree with Lundin though that we might as well burninate it.
 
That's the better case. The most likely outcome was an .exe file that I certainly would recommend running ... over with a steamroller.
Ah, actual malware that could brick your computer. We don't get that these days. These days it merely leaks your credit card information to somebody in Russia or replaces your hard drive data with payment instructions.
 
@Adriaan I haven't looked at the Q or A on Meta, but I will as soon as I have time; thanks for pointing it out to me
 
1:20 PM
What SE for neural network design questions?
 
@PaulStenne Probably ai.stackexchange.com
 
@PaulStenne AI perhaps?
 
Thanks!
 
@PaulStenne can't you just design a neural network to answer that?
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Uh. It says you can't ask about the "implementation" of an AI on AI.SE. So, I guess not. Data Science..?
 
1:25 PM
Maybe you can hammer it into shape suitable for SO
 
@PaulStenne cross validated is for machine learning (at least they claim to be)
 
@JohnDvorak It's not so much about how to code it or implement it, more like what model to pick.
@Adriaan Yeah looks like the right site, checking
@Adriaan Wouldn't the network just post everything to SO and expect it to migrate?
 
@PaulStenne This is the problem with SO
And where the wizard shines
 
1:42 PM
@PeterHaddad Why? It's not some complaint about Stack Overflow
It's a complaint about some random guy
 
And that guy was an idiot to say that, FYI
 
Although this sounds ominous...
 
Also, the comment was made on Twitter, which is the bile duct of the Internet
 
Because this happens every now and then
 
I thought that was 4chan?
 
1:44 PM
Next week we will see posts and a blog abt this on meta as usual
 
I like the IT crowd reply there... grabs popcorn
 
@PeterHaddad not if it's negatively scored and a mod refuses to feature it because they don't like the responsibility
 
@JohnDvorak No, 4chan (and 8chan) are the permanent dumpster file in the middle of the swamp
 
So, if we want a chat API, we just need to complain on Twitter?
 
What about Reddit?
Twitter should really start complaining about intrusive ads on SO. Maybe that'll stop the hot mess.
 
1:47 PM
Reddit is just... Reddit. It defies classification.
 
@TylerH Maybe they'll remove asking questions from SO, so it just becomes a Q& A site, much less toxicity
RIP, idk how to strikethrough
 
Put a space between - and A
 
Ah, thanks :D sorry for pings Tyler
 
flips table
 
@TylerH Doesn't mind
 
1:54 PM
I'm curious how that person knows the other person's age, they both look about equal in age to me
 
@TylerH I'd say other person looks younger, but not that much younger
 
 
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^ 8, 4, 2, 1 - Nice
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geometric progression \o/
 
usually how my score goes in 2048
 
This also means we can't close any more questions otherwise we'll ruin the chain
Or, rather, we can close exactly one more question, but we'll have to haul out its wreckage over infinitely many trips.
 
@JohnDvorak Each CV is 0.2 of a closed question...
 
5:05 PM
@RobertColumbia self-deleted already
 
Zoe
5:59 PM
@Vickel Self-reposts are usually dupes btw
 
@Zoe I was actually looking for that dupe option (clicking close), but didn't find it, now I checked: if you flag it you have the dupe option but not if clicking close
 
Zoe
No repro. Weird that it didn't show up though
 
@Zoe looks like I need a break, its there, in the first line... pfff
 
Zoe
oh ^^"
 
6:34 PM
Good morning, happy Friday all :) /o
 
o/
Hello time traveler. How goes it?
 
Heh ... not too badly. Bit miffed with myself that I managed to do my calf in twice in a fortnight, and won't be able to run for another couple of weeks :(
 
Oh no.
Pull the muscle?
 
@tink how'd you manage that? I've always had suspicions that exercise is bad for one :p
 
:47290079 smells like a fake account too
 
6:40 PM
@NathanOliver - yeah ... must have put too much load on while not fully warmed up (it has been quite nippy around here in the mornings) and it felt like something just went "ping" in the calf, w/ lots of pain afterwards ... after 12 days it felt almost normal, went for another run and 'ping' :( Heh @JonClements
 
Bummer. If it happens again you'll probably need an MRI.
 
had that when doing some martial arts stuff... if you don't rest up, physio yourself properly, you can feel absolutely fine, and then you do bits again and then all of a sudden you're on the floor in agony :(
 
@JonClements When you were training to become the ninja you are today?
Plop folks
 
heck, from one nice injury I had once, it still twinges and sometimes just reaching up into a cupboard to get something has made me go: "oh no, please don't go beyond the twinge I'm feeling right now..."
@PaulStenne one is born a ninja - not trained... sheesh! Plop! :p
 
Sorry! =p
 
6:45 PM
think I remember seeing the other day someone post a link to xkcd saying how far squirrel's can be thrown - were you deliberately hiding that day? :p
 
@JonClements I reacted to that post in fact! Were you deliberately hiding to avoid having to face your lack of spearrel-throwing skills?
 
oh darn... busted :(
 
It is hard to throw things when you lack opposable thumbs.
 
yeah... that's what I meant... cough
 
6:53 PM
> Practical Ways to Write Better JavaScript
Don't
 
>:O Is someone insulting JavaScript in this wholesome chat room?!
 
@NathanOliver To be honest it's literally the first advice
Treating JavaScript as a target, not as a programming platform
 
@IronFlare PHP: We're weakly typed with inconsistent built-in function names JavaScript: Hold my beer
 
I feel personally attacked. This is an outrage ;)
 
7:12 PM
What exactly is Luncheon meat?
 
@IronFlare A fancy way of saying spam. Luncheon meat == Lunch Meat of which spam is a member
 
oh lol
Classy :D
 
@IronFlare It's a vaguer pattern is all. The scores for it are lower
 
Oh okay, neat
 
7:35 PM
@NathanOliver - well ... first time I didn't do anything but RICE; this time I rang up my preferred physio; unfortunately he didn't have any appointments till Monday morning, a 9 day wait, which really sucks.
 
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