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12:05 AM
Yeah I know that
 
12:31 AM
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
 
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9:20 AM
@Zoe Well, I do sometimes get people emailing me, having found me on Stack Overflow, with Plz Halp Me With Bilding A Facebook Replacement...
 
Zoe
@halfer Great! Then you won't have a problem with the new ads SE put up :P
 
9:46 AM
:=[ <-- grumpy cat
 
10:01 AM
is this an answer? It is mostly funny and the rest of it is NAA.
 
@double-beep meh
"don't do this" is a valid answer
viz Bobince's gem
 
10:42 AM
@RobertColumbia What would happen if we allowed people to do this?
Assuming each individual answer stands up to its own merits
 
@JohnDvorak at a minimum, disclosure of affiliation is required. This user has been warned in the past and continues to post links without disclosure. That means the next step is to treat them as a garden-variety spammer.
 
got it, thanks
 
@JohnDvorak yw
 
 
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12:53 PM
Ahhhh, the joys of Heatwave....ummmm I mean Homework Sundays.
 
1:42 PM
@גלעדברקן Is this meant for us to take some kind of action? I am lost.
Can you clarify?
 
Anything that relies on humans to apply consistent rules is fundamentally broken.
 
@Nkosi: He's been here before and knows that this sort of discussion and moderation rule change request should be held on the meta site, not here, but declines to do this for some reason. Instead he vents here.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Oh Ok. I see.
 
I see no meta activity on his profile
 
I was confused about what was expected of us in this case.
Did not realize it was just a rant
I've had my fair share of those
:P
 
1:54 PM
both
 
@JohnDvorak: ah, but we live in a world of binary choices
One where a mis-flag can result in being "dinged"
My understanding is that "abusive" comments are treated more severely than "unfriendly" ones
 
dinged? If you're worried about your flag success rate, sign up as a vote pool for Smokey ;)
 
@JohnDvorak: where do I sign up?
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels you saying that I "know that this sort of discussion and moderation rule change request should be held on the meta site" implies that either I agree with that idea and/or that you stating that idea makes it somehow true. Neither of those statements are necessarily correct.
 
@גלעדברקן: I merely stated that you have been informed, and this I know is true.
 
1:58 PM
@Nkosi no, I'm not expecting any specific action from you.
 
@JohnDvorak: thank you
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I have been informed of that opinion, which I don't agree with, yes. I think it's an issue for the site concept, not sure it's appropriate for meta.
 
Anybody want to recondition their dead battery?
 
@Nkosi Yep :P
 
2:07 PM
@Nkosi: I trust all that I read on the internet
 
@גלעדברקן well, this is not a room where you can vent continuously. Please take your frustration else where. Maybe yell at the sea. I'm told that is pretty effective.
 
@rene: I've used the "ignore user" function for the first time today, and it works well.
 
No sea for a couple hundred kilometers from where I live
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels sure, as an RO that is a bit problematic.
@JohnDvorak woodland will do
 
@rene: oops, then plz ignore what I just suggested
 
2:21 PM
@rene knowing my luck, I'd get me jailed for scaring birds
 
lol
 
or worse, fined
 
I assume you prefer jailed over fined due to the full service you get with the former at no cost?
 
including healthcare :P
(I do get free healthcare anyways, but the queues are ridiculous)
 
 
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3:54 PM
@rene I commented about an issue that has to do with close votes. This seems like one of a few correct forums for it on SO.
 
 
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6:19 PM
@Vega using a screen reader helps
 
:D
 
6:48 PM
@EJoshuaS Just FYI: Soliciting off-site help for a project is considered spam on Stack Overflow. Please see: Are job offers spam?
 
7:20 PM
@גלעדברקן The way that you presented the issue, just linking to a couple of posts and stating "shame on SO" is inappropriate. While we're willing to discuss issues, just calling "shame" isn't acceptable in this room. Please refrain from doing that here in the future.
 
7:40 PM
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Q: I'm at a [loss] for words

Machavityloss No excerpt or wiki. 298 questions. Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous? Describes a general "loss" in most cases. Lost settings, values, tips, etc. Is the concept described even on-topic for the site? Too generic a concep...

 
@Burnination-Feed getting us more work in Trogdor @Machavity?
 
@Adriaan No rest for the weary :P
 
@Burnination-Feed So, that would be a stop order?
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very droll :)
 
Zoe
@Machavity No rest for the fire starters?
 
8:10 PM
I guess they're prepping for that big job interview tomorrow. :P
seen a few of them pass through here today. lol
 
8:21 PM
@rene under which circumstances is the word "shame" acceptable to you in this forum? Why do you consider the word "shame" inappropriate as a rule?
 
@גלעדברקן under no circumstances.
We're not here to shame things.
 
What if I find it a shame my latest plant died?
 
then you're out of luck
 
Zoe
@Adriaan Just don't tell rene
 
What if I am ashamed of myself?
 
8:31 PM
@Dharman wear a hairshirt and put ashes on your head?
Morning all /o
 
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\o
 
o/
 
8:56 PM
Sometime just putting some headers between a code wall can make all the difference.
The more you know. Pass it on. lol
 
9:09 PM
@rene since you've taken up this issue with what I said -- "shame on... —used to say that someone should feel sorry for doing something wrong" (merriam-webster dictionary). While I don't see anything wrong with expressing the meaning in the phrase, as I did for the issue I mentioned, I can understand if you feel those particular words may have overloaded connotations. I'll do my best to inquire about the appropriateness of my phrasing and/or to do so more tentatively next time.
 
9:24 PM
@גלעדברקן I may be completely off with my thoughts on this subject, and I don't know what renee's actual thoughts or motivation may be, but I don't think it's Renee taking issue, he's merely pointing out that SE strives to stay objective. "shame" is an emotion, not quantifiable, and as such not a good thing to be throwing about as a matter for discussion ...
 
@tink Shame isn't just an emotion. It's a psychologically painful form of embarrassment, and it is often wished upon someone as an harsh mental punishment and the hope that the shamed person experiences prolonged social ostracism. People use it far too casually.
From a philosophical point of view, I think its casual use is interesting - if someone says "it's a shame we cannot meet this week", then they do not mean it is shameful, and yet that is exactly what has just been said. I wonder if it is moderately better to say that it is a "pity" instead, and yet even that is inappropriate, since trivial disappointments do not rise to the level of warranting pity.
 
@halfer - the beauty of English ... it has ~ 420K words, and still many of those carry so many different meanings ;)
either way - where I was headed with that brief statement is that I don't think it's renee taking offense.
 
9:45 PM
@tink He's going to take offence if you misspell his name, twink
 
@tink there doesn't seem to me a reasonable interpretation of rene's comment (chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/46822027#46822027) as not taking issue with what I had said. To be clear, I was not offended by that comment. I tried to respond as best I could.
 
@StephenKennedy oops ...
 
@tink Shall we call him Ronald to make things easier?
 
and too late to edit ...
/me hides under a rock
 
@tink Indeed. In fact, I don't mean for my own remarks to be a strong disagreement - it was more about adding colour and detail to an interesting discussion.
 
9:53 PM
@StephenKennedy - that's too long, how about randy?
 
lol
no comment
 
And I'm totally ok with twink :D
 
Mostly, I was agreeing with the blurry flower - some words have a certain strength that is not well understood for ESL speakers
@tink How about both: Randy Twink?
<giggle>
 
I like "blurry flower" :) isn't it a gaussian filter?
 
I think I need to self-moderate before I get another forum flag.
 
9:55 PM
LOL ...
that's pushing it, halfer
 
I can't remember my prior transgression, but it was definitely of the giggly schoolboy variety. Ah, English humour...
 
Heh
And the reason why many New Zealanders adopt the American pronunciation of router. ;)
You'd really think that after 5 decades the 'fun' would have worn off, but no
Not sure whether I got awarded a flag yet, but I have had comments removed instantaneously ... might even have been by rene
 
10:12 PM
@Dharman Why not just flag as NAA and leave it to the VLQ queue?
 
@EJoshuaS Good point, you are right. You can scrap that request then
At first I felt a little like it was a rant, but I guess I overreacted here.
 
@StephenKennedy it was requested previously
 
@Nkosi As a cv-pls, yes. I can't see any del-pls - please give me the link
hold on
 
yeah, found it, thanks
 
@tink: you need to give a valid close reason with your request
 
10:48 PM
Cheers @HovercraftFullOfEels
 
@tink: and to you too
 
Darn ... and once again can't edit it ... :/ ...
Typo/Can't be reproduced
 
@tink Easiest way to deal with this is post again and I'll nuke the old one
even easier is let it be closed and go to the graveyard :) RIP
 
11:05 PM
Yeah, I've often handled that type of problem that way. Usually, I'll only move something like that to /dev/null if it doesn't look like the request will be handled reasonably quickly, if the second request is substantially later than the original, which would result in the request being active for considerably longer than the normal 3 days, or if the second request provides an undo amount of exposure for the request. In other words, it's a judgement call.
 
That was more of a "I wonder if tink will take the smarter option and just wait it out" call than judgement, tbh :) He passed.
 
11:41 PM
a what?
TIL
 

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