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00:20
In case someone objects to the date of most answers, it had activity today in stackoverflow.com/a/56799537/62576
00:52
@KenWhite It says "active today" up at the top right so worry ye not :)
@StephenKennedy Yeah, was just making sure people noticed. :-) I've been chastised before.
01:50
Question may be off-topic but I have no domain knowledge (re last SD report)
02:10
The auction has ended. The tag was sold to this burnination: Close Queue - Open questions - Closed questions - burn room.
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02:32
Hey, am I getting paid extra for being the only one working tonight?
@KenWhite Sure. You get time and a half. :-)
@Makyen Cool. I expect to see something extra in my annual bonus, too. This isn't the only night this week I've been flying solo. :-)
@KenWhite We'll see what we can do. :-)
@Makyen I've always been able to count on you. :-)
@KenWhite Thanks. I do try. :-)
02:47
@Machavity @tink Sure, now you two show up when extra pay and bonuses are mentioned. :-)
I got my SOCVR pension. I'm good.
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LOL - wut? :D
You guys get paid?!
@Machavity I guess that means @tink better get busy,
@KenWhite You folded too soon. I was going to offer double time.
I'm counting down the minutes to the weekend ;) ... almost time to go home ;D
So knackered
02:52
@StephenKennedy You can still chip in on that year end bonus.
@tink You can't get paid for slacking off for the weekend. Not until you get your pension sewn up, anyway.
heh. too late for that. with my last pay I'm buying some rope ;)
 
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04:31
So stackoverflow.com/q/130508/18157 is a question from 2008 that is blatantly POB, has no place on SO, and should be deleted. It's closed, however, it has a +6/-5 score and a bunch of upvoted answers so there's no delete link so it's not going away any time soon. I'm relatively sure it doesn't merit a flag, so what's the proper course here?
@JimGarrison It will have a delete link as soon as it's either at a score <-2 (20k) and/or been closed for > 2 days (10k). Just set a revisit for 2 days from now and forget about it until then.
Ah, I didn't know about the closed for > 2 days part. I'll come back to it then. Thanks.
@JimGarrison Favorite it so that you remember to del-pls it in a few days. Then it'll be 10k eligible too and can be deleted even faster.
@EJoshuaS Got it, thanks!
@JimGarrison np. It's the main reason that the alpha version of the Request Generator has a "revisit (in 2 days)" selection.
04:37
I totally agree that it ought to be deleted... it's about as POB as you get, purely a poll question where every answer is equally valid.
Saving a "revisit (in 2 days)" in the alpha Request Generator will automatically open the question (or any post) the next time your open a SE question page once the specified time has elapsed.
 
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07:01
Morning everyone o/
\o
Lol the spammer replied on that last post. Got deleted before I could copy it though
07:53
@PearlySpencer there is code; they just formatted as quotes
user8682794
08:09
@Adriaan Code != MCVE
@PearlySpencer but you mention explicitly in your reason 'no code'
First ever burn request submmitted :)
awaiting the -1 million now
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Q: Time to [insert] this tag into the incinerator?

Michael DoddI'm of the opinion that insert (12,457 questions at the time of writing) is at the very least too broad, and at most not required at all. While the first thing that springs to mind with this tag is the process of INSERTing a new row into a database table, the tag description seems to encompass a ...

user8682794
08:28
@Adriaan that was the message auto generated from the script
Mornin o/
 
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09:38
o/
\o
10:12
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Q: Maybe we should have three different [version]s of this tag?

kluttversion Usage guidance: Version defines an unique state of a computer software or a file. Tag info Versions and version control systems are widely used in software industry to keep track of different versions of a piece of software. Following processes and techniques are often use...

10:50
@Dharman Isn't there a specific MAC site to point to instead of SU?
@Luuklag ask different I think is the mac site, but it's not in the close reason list
yeah, but pointing to SU for a mac question just sounds wrong to me. Might be easy to do, but doesn't really point to the right place. Leading to confusion once more.
@Luuklag I added a comment
Both of these questions were asked by the same user
Can I get a second opinion on removing the newly created tag? It's a splitting technique for a number of modelling techniques, such as cross validation, but I feel like it adds nothing to e.g. the cross validation tag. But it might not be very harmful either
This tag is way to narrow IMO. Better to use algorithm or something even more suitable
10:58
@ErikA I struggle with coming up a specific problem one might face implementing this , that is really about the k-fold principle. Just using should fly in 99.9% of the cases I think.
Meh, I'm doubting myself now, some questions seem specific for implementing a folding algorithm. Trivial task, but still...
@Adriaan I'm going with a downvote rather than spam for now, let's see if another similar answer pops up...
11:24
At a minimum, it's NAA, as it doesn't actually address the question of how to programmatically do the task. IMO, it's primary purpose is to promote the linked site/email.
11:38
@dippas Can you elaborate on why? Seems fine to me to leave that one as a signpost, has a distinct title and lots of views
@dippas I agree with @ErikA. Why delete something that is clearly a good signpost?
11:56
@dippas I note that this is your second del-pls request for this question. Is there something about this question which makes you feel it particularly should be deleted?
@NathanOliver Welcome back. It was nice of you to have Mogsdad and Paul fill in while you were gone :P
:)
Work was really busy. This is my first chance where I can relax a bit.
@NathanOliver so you come here..? Weird hobbies you have
What can I say? I'm an irrationally complex individual.
13:22
@NathanOliver I saw your daughter the other day. She was easy to spot
14:04
Is cv-pls Using PHP a valid close reason :)
I've never seen so much hatred for PHP :o :'(
@treyBake stick around long enough.....lol
This guy had a problem building a web application for someone. Then decided solve it using PHP. It was then he realized that he now had two problems.
14:25
@sideshowbarker OP has added code - does it constitute an MCVE now?
@Nkosi I mean, 5 years feels long enough to see at least some hate :p but I don't fully get the PHP beef now that PHP7 is standardised (or at least, it's encouraged no one should touch 5 anymore)
It's the same thing that C++ has to deal with. Years of horror stories is hard to combat.
wth, Tim Post unilaterally deleted the correct answer to the meta research faq
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argh
@NathanOliver ah that's a good point ... it's the same reason I'm scared of diving into C++ - the horror stories! baha
14:31
:) It's much better now. You don't even have to use new or delete anymore \o/
Yeah PTPHPD takes time to get over, if ever
I saw the Q was active and clicked through to see the activity and was like "wait, why is this the highest scoring answer? what happened to the right one?"
That whole situation is very messed up imo...
It makes it look like most of the community agreed with a different answer to anyone not having >10K rep and seeing that deleted post
Total BS on Tim. I'm really getting discouraged. Makoto's Q on meta really struck a cord with me.
pitchforks?
or torches?
14:36
popcorn?
With all these torches and pitchforks lately we're never going to hit our climate goals
The let us be more welcoming campaign strikes again
just don't hold the popcorn over the torch too long or it will get burnt and stink up the place
torches and marshmallows
definitely want to avoid the burnt popcorn smell
14:38
@treyBake I got involved in this Security.SE a while back. The chief complaint I got back from the anti-PHP folks? Register globals. Removed in PHP 5.4 but still causing issues after all these years
@Machavity xD I guess people just love to hold a grudge (which, we all do.. screw C ;))
I think PHP 5.3 was our Python 2.7
I have a book on PHP 5 that I never read
@Nkosi That's some cool ASP.NET WebForms you got there - let's pretend the web is a Windows Form, yay
I'll get around to it eventually when I learn PHP
14:40
lol
@StephenKennedy my biggest frustration lately is searching for how to do something in a WebForm and seeing the perfect, obvious solution, except it's for WinForms and the same thing doesn't exist for WebForms
throw it in the bin. Go for 7, is a dream :)
My biggest problem with ASP.net and stuff, is Windows..
TylerH doesn't often use new tech, but when he does it's PHP 5 and WebForms ;)
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Cause windows.....
@StephenKennedy 8-)
I'm making old school cool again
14:43
@StephenKennedy Frontpage 98 4evar
@treyBake Then you'll love .NET Core!
@Nkosi more or less, IIS, Windows Servers and stuff just are stupid.. though .NET defo's has advantages, I don't think they're worth working with windows
Good thing core lets you work cross platform now
...and embed a high performance web server in the app with a few lines of code
ahhh no way! That be pretty cool :)
14:45
Step over to the dark side
Naah, Java/Python seem pretty cool at the momento :p
:)
@treyBake I thought Java was outlawed in 1998 by the YMCA?
It's also worth noting that this was an epochal moment for PHP 7.0. I don't know the community at large will ever know the effort it took to get that over the hump
Just use ASP Classic. You can tell all the people you're using ASP without the weird octothorpe/hashtag/whatever thingy
14:47
@ErikA or use Razor, the new tech which looks just like... ASP classic!
When you ask for the sole entity of a problem and you are provided an entire GitHub repo of an entire API.
=w=
@StephenKennedy But it has extra sharp, and I don't want to cut myself :(
@Compass Could be worse, they could have just referred you to github.com
@TylerH I feel like this is a /r/whoosh moment (on my end) xD
I am not cruising through a repo to fix a problem :|
14:50
@treyBake I pretended not to notice so as to not show my ignorance :) oops
@StephenKennedy nah, you gotta let the older generation feel a lil' bit older ;)
ouch
@treyBake nah just a bad joke :-P
@TylerH haha I am full of those :p I'm kinda interested in the reference now, all I can here is J AVA it's fun to code with J AVA xD
No reference, except I guess that people sometimes hate on java like they do on php
14:54
@treyBake Get off my lawn
@TylerH More like NullPointerException on Java.Hate.Group.ThisIsNotWorking.OMGHowManyClassesAreThere.HowDoesThisEvenWork
@Machavity So you're saying Java was written by Germans?
I have a PHP 5 certification. I had to delete it from my CV to look for a real job.
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@TylerH I think even the Germans have limits on length. Java, not so much...
WOW
15:07
If we cast an undelete vote on the "how-much-research-effort" recently deleted answer, will there be retaliations?
Rob
Rob
You can't, it's mod deleted
Shot down...
Arf. :(
Yeah, diamond deletions can only be undone by another diamond. Good luck trying to find a mod to undelete something a CM deleted
Ain't it a shame, to be shot down in flames
15:10
@CÅ“ur Someone has already noticed it and started a fire mentioned it
@Machavity Somehow, I've seen multiple times accounts being nuked a few minutes after a popular complaint: 1 and 2. So I'm not going to raise a torch against Tim Post today.
self preservation is the name of the game
@StephenKennedy hey, well have a drink on me until we're thunderstruck :p
Rob
Rob
@CÅ“ur See my comment here
side question: can anyone recommend good software design pattern books? Doesn't have to be necessarily detailed or language-specific, trying to jump more into the programming theory side of life :)
Rob
Rob
15:17
Not sure of your level of joking, but we'd never suspend or delete an account for posting on meta, unless they're plain old trolls/spammers
You can get away with quite a lot on meta unless it's really, really bad :V
For example, my most upvoted answer: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/280393/…
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@Compass Still an awesome drawing
@Rob Was wondering about that one myself, thanks
Rob
Rob
Sure thing
Me too, but I've got enough trust in SE to know they won't slap you for complaining on meta, unless you get rude
15:23
I knew that much, was still interested, everyone likes being nosey 👃
That's meant to be a nose btw
@Compass carpel tunnel from all the scrolling
15:41
@TylerH Not anymore...
at least this time "We didn't start the fire"
wait...undeleted already. that was fast. popcorn wasn't even finished yet
@Nkosi Undeleted by a mod, not a CM. starts reassembling popcorn stall
15:58
@treyBake Clean Code?
@Rob Sorry, that's probably my fault.
@TylerH spacey cover, me like so far :p I'll check it out - thank you, feel like my lack of architecture design knowledge is hindering my development
I flagged the explanatory comments for deletion after Bhargav deleted the sock puppet
@treyBake it is referred to as the bible by a fair few people I know
@TylerH huh, OK, with reviews like that, must be up there haha OK, guess I'll have to buy and find out - thanks again :)
Rob
Rob
16:00
@TylerH Nah.. it's fine. Those comments would have been removed regardless. And, even if the comments weren't posted, we'd still be in the same situation we are now
@treyBake plot twist - it's 1000 pages of CSS
LOL
that'd be something
Uncle Bob FTW
I have it as a pdf and refer to it often
That seems to be quite old.. Was there a recent activity there? I dont see it
@treyBake Let me know what you think! I have yet to crack the cover on mine...
@Dharman "no roomba" is usually referenced for del-pls requests, not open questions that may well be answered. Likewise, this question is quite old (no activity for 4 years). Do you have some evidence of this question being used to justify other off-topic or low-quality questions?
16:18
@TylerH IMO questions which were only posted because OP made a typo ("You're missing 1 parenthesis") should be closed/deleted. Additionally both the question and the answer were poorly written and are vulnerable to SQL injection.
@Dharman Yes, but our rule around here says it needs some recent activity to qualify. We could close old questions all day, but it's the current ones we're focused on
@SurajRao The only recent activity is me sifting through the PHP tag and cleaning up the questions. I would like to help and edit some of them, but if the only reason for the question is missing parentheses I am getting a little upset. PHP tag is such a total mess I can't stand it. I can't find the right duplicate because questions with poor answers and poor titles are coming up in the search as the top results.
For the moment all I can do is treat some of them to Roomba, but not all of them qualify.
@Dharman See #11 in our FAQ for the general things that qualify a question for a cv-pls request
16:47
ReportBook is a new feature in jasper-reports and according to me it's sufficient to mention this new feature to be a valid answer... then a good answer maybe no... but still
17:15
Ok it looks like someone is editing that tag. another one edited by same account just showed in in that last SD
Yep quite a few edits based on their action history
18:05
@Nkosi Looks like someone who doesn't understand burnination
@Machavity At first I thought it was a burnination but when I didn't see one on meta I figured it was a lone wolf
@Nkosi Gotta look harder points to sticky star
wow feels stupid now
yep now it all starts to make sense. lol
18:54
That looks like spam
19:05
Do cats eat spam?
it's somewhat vaguely meat so they ought to if they're not one of those fussy ones
Unless it's canned tofu.
dbc
dbc
In the low quality posts queue, what should be done with an answer that just copies a portion of another answer? This answer stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/23391309 just copies the code (including variable names) from the top voted answer with no explanation.
@dbc Mod flag the answer
dbc
dbc
Should we vote to delete it, custom-flag it, or ignore it?
Ah our messages crossed.
19:12
@dbc yes
dbc
dbc
@Machavity OK done.
20:17
Spam or just 20k del-v stackoverflow.com/a/56812614/5292302?
This darn financial, yacht sites...
@PetterFriberg If we get rid of the link, do we need to get rid of the answer? It is a valid approach.
nvm, mod deleted.
 
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21:30
^I'm out of close votes :(
Hi out of close votes :(
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22:00
@NathanOliver Me too. So many terrible questions, so few votes :(
22:15
lo all o\
I've got some votes left. Keep posting the cv-pls requests.

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