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Hey guys, anyone happens to know how long it takes for suspicious votes to be reversed?
 
6:45 AM
@Luuklag 24 hour max based on time zone. Script run Every night around 03:00 UTC. Meta
 
@shree, its not serial voting. I flagged some probable revenge DV's, which got marked helpful, but votes remained.
 
o/
 
@Luuklag Ok. Lets wait , and hope MOD who handle that flag response question. Or some folks who familiar with that type of situation give some insight .
 
6:59 AM
@Shree, found out what happened. Mod marks flag as helpfull while it is escalated to community team
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8:13 AM
^ there are 2 dupes
 
 
8:42 AM
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9:45 AM
Need your opinions on this: Is voting down a competing answer that is rather sloppy considered unfair? I encouter this sometimes when I answer a question where an earlier answer was proposed but it's not really good :/
 
Zoe
Depends on how you vote
If you vote because the answer is terrible, that's fine.
 
well, it is your vote but I tend to leave it alone to prevent being accused of all kind of things.
 
some people consider it bad etiquette but really, vote on the answer's quality alone
 
Zoe
if you downvote other answers to get yours up higher, that's slightly shady.
 
I usually abstain from downvoting if I have a competing answer unless it's really terrible
 
9:48 AM
If my answer is any good it will float to the top anyway.
 
Well it's rather rarely that it happens. So I think it is not that big of an impact. And I don't downvote just because I want my answer at the top :) Sometimes the competing answer is just of really bad quality, but as already said. If mine is any good, it will go to the top eventually :p
 
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10:25 AM
@Lino As long as you can cast your votes as if you didn't have an answer on the question (i.e. you vote entirely based on the quality if the answer you're voting on), then voting, both up and down, is fine, IMO. In fact, I'd say it's a good thing to do, as votes are an important way for us to maintain quality on the site. However, it's sometimes hard to mentally disassociate oneself from the fact that you have an answer. Thus, care must be taken, particularly when downvoting.
 
@Makyen there's even a badge for voting up answers on questions you've also answered and had votes on... so it's not exactly discouraged :)
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@NickA I am sorry, I did not know that we had rules about zalgo :/
 
@Lino As of six days ago, still a featured message
 
Oh, I missed that message... again, my bad, will stop
 
10:33 AM
@JonClements Very true. :-)
 
@JonClements Where's the "foul play" badge: Down vote 100 answers on questions where an answer of yours has a positive score ;p
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@Lino Thank you for doing so. Please also don't try to shoehorn in other banned wording.
 
@Makyen Hm yeah, that's one thing with language barriers. Was the only word I could come up with / knew off. But you're right, I try to behave :)
 
Farmers is a nicer alternative, don't know if there's rules about discussing rep farmers though
 
@NickA oh... you could suggest that... but the account will most likely be deleted shortly after such a badge was awarded anyway - so moot point :p
 
10:41 AM
@Lino There's a meta post explicitly making that term banned.
 
10:54 AM
@Shree the other question is also just a homework dump, close that too?
 
@Lino Yep. But I remember rule. Don't target user. So why I don't request second one . But VTC on second one too. :)
 
11:11 AM
@NickA R.I.P most beautiful font
 
11:21 AM
@Luuklag R.I.P most beautiful cursed font
 
12:22 PM
Morning
 
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12:53 PM
VTC reason here is too broad, right?
 
@Lino Looks like a yes or no, with a little explanation one way or the other is all it would take. Looks okayish to me.
 
@NathanOliver that's what I am thinking, the Q-style is rather okay but the content doesn't really looks answerable. They are asking about library-internal code. Which IMO is off-topic as that can always change and doesn't really add much value
 
@Lino netty is open source though so anyone who has worked with the source could answer it. Sure methods change but that doesn't make the question can't have an answer for how it works now, and even possibly later if there is a change.
 
Should I then maybe ask the OP to include some more information, version, classes, methods etc?
 
1:01 PM
Version posssibly. Not sure it needs anything else. This is just my opinion though. If you feel it is closeable, throw a vote at it.
 
@NathanOliver that's why I asked here, I don't know netty enough to judge, so I'll not VTC it :)
 
neither do I. It look answerable and reasonably constrained for me. Lots of better garbage to go after.
 
We don't want to close basic "How to" questions. That appears to be one. Too Broad is for "How I make program with Netty", etc
 
^ seems reasonable
 
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Zoe
big G
 
big H
 
big I
 
little j
 
Zoe
3:23 PM
CAPITAL A
 
Don't make me break out the UTF8
 
passes Machavity a hammer
 
Sorry, we'll have to continue this another time. I need to use the hammer
 
@Machavity are you worthy enough to use it?
 
Zoe
3:27 PM
@Machavity Don't make me break out the Makyen ;)
 
Give a @Machavity a hammer...yadda yadda yadda
 
<insert I am still worthy meme>
 
"Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of a closevoter."
 
Zoe
Thor's Hammer of Close Votes?
 
I guess my reference was too subtle
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Zoe
3:30 PM
Your references ain't got nothing on my shared_ptr<Pun>
 
Yeah, PHP doesn't use pointers. We're sophisticated*
*actual sophistication may vary. Discontinue use if problem persists. Do not use if you are using UTF8
 
Zoe
So Vim and PHP don't get along?
 
I use nano myself. I never figured out how to exit vim
 
Zoe
xD
@Machavity Nano doesn't even have plugins
 
3:35 PM
vim plugins were written in emacs
 
Zoe
only until it was bootstrapped
Besides, <C-x> <M-c> M-butterfly got a bit outta hand
 
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5:21 PM
Is this opinion based? I wonder if it has value despite being a question about "best".
 
Zoe
Uh... Is main broken?
 
@Zoe Why do you ask? Seems OK here, if a bit slow
(but I am travelling, and my connection is a bit iffy when I am on the move).
 
Zoe
Because of a TLS failure
(MOZILLA_PKIX_ERROR_REQUIRED_TLS_FEATURE_MISSING)
 
Latest Firefox here (67.0) on Mint/Linux, nice green padlock.
Could just be a connection blip, try refreshing.
 
Zoe
I did. Didn't work
It's just me though, works in chrome (mobile for both though)
 
5:29 PM
Got a TLS failure for main, Firefox, 10 seconds ago. Refreshed. Works now.
 
@Zoe I just got the same
 
Zoe
FF too?
 
I use FF 67 so yeah
 
Zoe
Oof
 
All SE sites too
 
5:33 PM
@Zoe go to MSE / MSO
 
Only still here because I had it open. Can't get into any other chat
 
Zoe
@rene can't. Fails
 
@rene That would explain it
 
Zoe
5:36 PM
Kinda ironic when a bug is introduced that blocks you from reporting or checking if it has been reported :]
 
@Zoe I always tell people to send me an email when the email server goes down
 
Zoe
xD
 
hmmm... getting the same error on Chrome, too. Chat.SE blocked, main was blocked, but now is back.
 
Zoe
Chat always worked, but main doesn't work on my computer either
 
oof
SE stupidities
and some user profiles fail to load, too
 
5:42 PM
I can load Charcoal and get an actual page, but it fails to establish a socket and get chat. Tavern (which I haven't been to recently) is just an unformatted mess
 
^ yeah, each page I try to visit is like that @Machavity
and antivirus throws a warning and blocks the connection
 
> Update: The rollback has been completed and will be visible globally over the next 10-15 minutes source
 
works for me
too early; main was blocked again. crap
 
might be based on which network route you get
 
The fix is rolling back now. Please allow 6-8 weeks for browsers to start working again
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5:52 PM
oh you
 
Zoe
It's back \o/
 
 
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7:08 PM
\o night
 
o/
 
Zoe
7:20 PM
What's the appropriate way to handle off-site images (/gifs) that're over 2 MB?
 
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8:10 PM
@Zoe what context?
in a post?
 
Zoe
yeah
 
Leaving them as a link is probably fine
 
8:49 PM
Morning all /o
 
\o tink
 
9:46 PM
@TylerH I think the "legal" thing is a red herring. It therefore is really seeking help on a customer service issue, rather than a legal one
(Still o/t though, and the close reason prob does not matter too much)
 
@halfer Sure, OP's concern is probably primarily 'how to get this app to not be rejected by Apple'
nonetheless, the question they put into words was 'is this legal'
 
@TylerH Yeah, but... I hope they don't go off to any Legal SE sites to ask it - I expect it will be bounced out in short order!
 
@halfer also agreed, hence my caveat of "if appropriate" in my close comment :-)
 
Binned the rants and stuff. Nothing to see here. Move along waves hand with stick in it
 
Zoe
I'm surprised nothing is done with the sock yet
 
9:54 PM
@Machavity Meh, can't that be room convo? :)
 
@halfer Discussing moderation and general SO Qs, yes. Ranting about political stuff in the background, no
 
It was harmless, and he/she needed to let off some steam
It is probably time I went to bed! Night all.
 
@CodyGray Getting some new bling I see
 
@Machavity funny, "end of june" doesn't match any date formats I know
also wow, that before layout is, uh, atrocious
 
@TylerH SELECT FROM date WHERE year = year(now()) AND month = 6 ORDER BY month DESC LIMIT 1
 
10:05 PM
@JohnDvorak Error: end is undefined
 
@JohnDvorak SELECT FROM date WHERE year = year(now()) AND week BETWEEN 6 AND 8 LIMIT 1 0 records returned
 
10:33 PM
@Machavity They rolled that out a while back as a smoke test for us SO mods.
I wasn't a big fan of the original.
But I haven't looked at what tweaks they've made since the initial introduction.
I felt like it was trying to cram way too much information on one page. But some of that may be the idiosyncrasies of my flag-processing style. I prefer to click through and view the flagged post in its normal context. Not only is that view more familiar to me, so I can find things more easily and make fewer mistakes, but it also allows me to do things like read the question when handling NAA flags (which apparently not all moderators do).
Then there's that "who moved my cheese?" element of it, which Atwood always used to chastise me about
But when you handle that much cheese, you kinda like it to stay in the same place.
 
The only feedback I have is that the Admin Dashboard Refresh opt-in option is missing on my profile.
 
You first have to enable the "Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds" opt-in option
 
:D
 
11:09 PM
@CodyGray That requires promising to make SO great again leave the SE union close more questions, right?
 
jww
Four upvotes on a completely off-topic question: Problema wih apt update. Are there any explanations other than a voting ring?
 
@Machavity Worse. I think you have to solemnly swear that you will be welcoming to questions even when they don't have a reprex.
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shudders
 
@jww No evidence of a voting ring yet. Could well be. Or it could be several other people who have the same problem.
These highly localized, transient failures tend to attract a large number of upvotes.
 

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