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Rob
12:08 AM
@Makyen Would it be useful for Rodgort to have an API for your userscript to generate the message with the correct links, or is that a bit overkill?
 
@KenWhite good lord
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Yeah... Thanks for the support (not that the poster cared). :-)
At least they'll know where to find the Meta link in the comment you left. I have a feeling it's going to be needed:-)
 
@Rob With a pun input I presume? Or is Rodgort now smart enough to write the jokes too? :)
 
yup
But it will be automatically given again to them if the need arises
 
Rob
@StephenKennedy It's not quite that smart unfortunately :P
 
12:13 AM
@Rob It only has to be funnier than Makyen OK, noted
 
12:57 AM
@Rob An API sounds like overkill. We'd probably want to either keep it manual, or have it fully automatic. For manual, it's mostly just a bunch of copy-&-pasting, then coming up with a pun and testing to make sure the links are correct. Really, the only reason not to have it automatic is the pun, which is something we could forgo if automatic is wanted.
 
 
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3:59 AM
Delhivery? Is this a sneak Indian spam?
 
Rob
5:10 AM
@Makyen It's a minor change on my end if you all decide you want it automatic here. But, personally, I think the puns are a nice touch to an otherwise somewhat bland task
 
5:32 AM
I almost feel bad about that Meta post on renaming MCVE getting downvoted so severely. Not that I agree with the idea or anything, though.
 
@Rob Thanks. Yeah, personally, I like the puns too, but I'm willing to do without them, if that's what people want. I believe the only negatives to doing it manually are that it's a bit more work, and we might lag behind the automatic notification. So far, it's seemed like we haven't been that far behind the automatic messages posted in Trogdor. We have had a couple/few occasions where we've lagged a bit behind, but it hasn't felt like it's that much, or that often.
@EJoshuaS I don't have a problem with it being downvoted. The way it was done was to just make the change without seeking input from users prior to the change. SE has really burned a lot of active-user goodwill over the last couple years. IMO, it would be good for them to be very visibly doing things in a way that works towards rebuilding that. This change and the way it was presented really felt like it's just heading in the same direction of being disconnected from their existing user base.
 
6:13 AM
@Makyen There have been a fair number of kick the dog moments of late.
 
 
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7:21 AM
@Lino too broad? that's very specific
 
8:25 AM
@sideshowbarker Went with off-site resource (asking for code examples) but either's good
 
8:48 AM
@Shree too old for cv-pls though I agree it should probably be closed with prejudice
 
@tripleee Yep . It's comes on review queue and forget to check date before send request here. Should I ask RO to dump my request ?
 
@Shree probably
 
9:21 AM
Does anyone know how I can enable desktop notifications for every message in this chat? And not just mentionings of me?
Or is this not possible?
 
You could ask everyone to ping you in every message? :)
 
Zoe
@Lino There's a "sound notifications" button next to the "all rooms" button. I think if you change the setting, you might get that
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Never tried though
 
@Lino Does the "enable desktop notification" link only work with pings?
 
@NickA you @NickA mean @NickA like @NickA this? :P
 
@Makyen The OP has provided an MCVE so the request is not necessary, please delete this request
 
Zoe
9:25 AM
@Lino it's easy if you know what you're doing :p
 
@Lino Every message not every word!
 
@Zoe Ah, I see, yes, by clicking on it I can see that the current config was just for mentionings, I've increased it for all visible rooms :)
 
bit of a weird one, feels like a typo issue (or the other reasons under the same title), yet it's also helpful to future readers (came across the post when looking for an answer myself and it helped), is it close-worthy or should I retract (not asking for close vote, just getting advice :D) stackoverflow.com/questions/1086539/…
 
Zoe
And it works with desktop notifications?
 
@Zoe Not sure, I've only received mentionings till now...
 
Zoe
9:27 AM
oof.
 
9:47 AM
has the number of "help me copy this other web site" posts increased significantly as of late?
 
 
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11:07 AM
2 messages moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
12:29 PM
Morning
 
12:54 PM
@Zoe Your suggestion from earlier today doesn't work. The "sound settings" is just that, sound. Desktop notifications don't apply for those options.
 
Zoe
yeah, figured that last time you pinged me
I do have a second idea, but it requires JS
 
shudders
 
I've created a feature request actually, maybe it gets some attention. Though I doubt that anyone really has strong feelings for this: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/385123/…
It's a very small and trivial problem
 
Don't listen to her. It really requires jQuery and a red marker
 
Zoe
pff, jQuery is SO 2018. It's all about kQuery now.
 
12:58 PM
you guys are all wrong
2019 is the year of JavaScript
I hear it has some pretty cool features
 
Pfff who needs dynamic websites when you can have PHP?
 
PHP + .NET for 100% awesomness
 
Everytime I read awesomness I have a flashback to the SO Aprils Fools
The incarnation of awesome
 
Zoe
maybe that does it?
nej xd
 
@treyBake Oh no! A PHP to .Net IL compiler actually exists! The horror...
 
1:04 PM
@ErikA get outta town, no way :o what poor soul put their time into that? xD
 
Zoe
Rule #1 of programming: there's always a transpiler
 
@ErikA There exists a Javascript JVM implementation twitches
 
I thought rule #1 was to not talk about what we do?
with rule #2 being to accept that you're now in IT to everyone you know
 
Zoe
@treyBake No, that's rule #0.
 
Who would've thought deleting 370,000 rows of a spreadsheet in excel takes some amount of time.....
 
Zoe
1:06 PM
Indexing always starts at 0 with the programming rules.
 
@Zoe ah of course! How stupid of me!
 
Apparently, it's EU funded. Suddenly I understand Brexit
 
You almost ran into an IndexOutOfBoundsException there. Be careful
 
1:43 PM
o/ Happy Friday
 
Friday Happy \o
 
\o Friday Happy o/
the yoda version
 
mmm, Happy, Friday is, hmhmhm
We better stop Yoda before he gets going
 
@TylerH Somehow I knew what that link went to without even clicking it
 
1:58 PM
I love that song
 
Zoe
@Lino I (think) something like this should work.
 
@Zoe oooh, that sounds cool
 
Zoe
remember to hit me with something hard if something breaks horribly :)
 
Will create Issues in your github if you wish :P
 
Zoe
@Lino That works too ^^"
 
@Zoe not really sure if it works. Can you write a message without pinging me?
 
Zoe
Did you enable it? It's disabled by default (just like SE notifications)
I set it to be togglable on a per-room basis (so you can keep it enabled where you want)
The link is next to the room info button
 
Oooooh, now it makes sense
I just saw it
And it works, like a charm :)
 
Zoe
Great \o/
 
)o(
 
2:33 PM
@Zoe Actually, you may want to post your userscript as an answer to my question, would be glad to accept that :)
 
Zoe
Sure, I'll do that in a sec. Gotta raise a mod flag first
 
Just a suggestion, you don't have too
What are your thoughts on this self answer?
 
The Q there is terrible "Hi, I'd like to post an answer" is not really a question
 
That's my thinking
 
Zoe
Self-answering where the title is the question and body is an answer, or the question body merely states that it's an attempt to self-answer are unclear as they're not questions.
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2:40 PM
You don't need a lot of question in a self answer, but you still need a viable question. Here's one I wrote
 
Failed my first audit, I feel bad now
 
Depends what it was you failed. Sometimes the CVQ will throw upvoted terrible questions at you because it doesn't know better
 
@Machavity that's a great answer btw
 
If you failed a Suggested Edit... uhm, I can't really help you there
@Lino Thanks
 
I failed this one, first thought it was java related (had the tag in the audit), and that last part threw me off.
 
2:50 PM
@Lino FWIW, audits will always be tagged with the language you have the filter set for.
 
Btw: What do you guys think about the strike
@NathanOliver Yep, I noticed ^^
 
Zoe
Does 3 months count as recent activity?
 
I was just reading that. I have to admit that I have done the same thing. I don't go through the CVQ anymore. I'm just burned out on it. I close vote Q's here and in the C++ tag but I really dislike the queues now. I might go back, but not for a while.
It's a shame our moderation abilities are being reprexed
 
@Lino There's plenty of 2k reviewers in the sea. Mostly because they swam out there of their own free will
 
@Zoe 3 months is too long for me. Not sure about the other RO's.
 
2:53 PM
I get iffy around 30 days and tend to cut it off around 60. 90 is just too long
 
Zoe
@Lino I've partially joined in on that without actually joining in on it. Some review queues are plain out unbearable (H&I, anyone?), and others are extremely inefficient. You can review a ton of stuff without making a dent in some of them
 
Zoe
@Lino answer posted
 
Incidentally, a single person strike isn't going to be effective. You really need to stop all reviews for people to get the point
 
@PetterFriberg I binned your reopen request. 3 month is not really recent activity. If you would like to discuss that let me know, otherwise we can add it to the next room meeting to try and set a standard on what recent means.
 
2:57 PM
@NathanOliver really and I can't edited it?, I taught this rule was only for cv...
 
Editing it would work.
 
Point 11, only specify's it for cv-pls and del-pls
@NathanOliver That does not sound like logic...
I need to edit to reopen... hmm
 
Zoe
I thought self-editing was an exception to the recent activity rule?
 
I say according to current room rulez that request was allowed... if you like to disallow it you should talk about that in next room meeting
Time for a reopen strike also? :D
 
3:02 PM
Think about it I will not re-request... but if you like to keep it binned according "room rules" please indicate which point in the FAQ...
 
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Zoe
Time for a SOCVR strike until we're paid? :p
 
Thanks..
 
I've moved it back. The more I think about it the more it doesn't make sense to have a time limit on a reopen request.
 
Yeah as far as I can remember we never have had that, it's just on delv and cv as specified in FAQ.
 
3:04 PM
@Zoe I got a 100% pay raise when I become RO
 
Zoe
@Machavity 100% of 0? :thinking:
 
@Machavity You got a raise? Jeez. I was told I had to take a pay cut :(
 
You should ask rene for some nice swag :)
 
@Zoe Well, yeah. rene said it was the largest he'd ever handed out, but the details were kinda blurry...
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Zoe
rene handled it?
I thought Stephen was accountant at the time?
 
3:09 PM
No. gunr handled it. Had regular meetings with the accountants
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Zoe
Oh, I almost forgot - what happened to the cayman accounts?
 
3:36 PM
Kyll managed the offshore stuff. Had to change his name after some bad deals, tho
 
4:04 PM
@Machavity and also the attacks in the park. Or is it still too soon?
 
@Nkosi I'm not sure we'll ever get over that day
 
@Machavity you could say that Yvette ... kylled one of our regulars that day
 
4:42 PM
@Machavity that's what they said about M87*, too
 
@Swordfish I think there is a SO CVR rule about asking for CVs on something you answered. It is best to do one or the other, IMO.
 
5:02 PM
@E_net4 Just FYI, this has been through a close cycle once already. I agree it is O/T though.
I flagged the NAA.
 
Oh...
 
@adiga attracted non-English answer, too
 
@adiga Odd, it got a well O/T answer from a 45K user....
 
6:05 PM
 
6:25 PM
@halfer not that odd unfortunately
 
@Makyen Archive script is throwing errors into the console right now.
 
Probably related to the errors shown by SO
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 50 mins ago, by No Distraction Wizard
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Q: Oops! Something Bad Happened (SO questions outage)

connectyourchargerStack Exchange Bug (in progress RESOLVED - see bottom of post) It seems that whenever I try and access a question, I get an error message. Any updates from the community team on this? Every now and then, a page works, but most times, it just hangs and comes up with the error message. Here's a...

 
All your bugs are belong to me
 
:)
Did you get an error?
 
6:36 PM
hmm
Welp, I downloaded the log of the console in case he wants to look at it.
 
@NathanOliver Didn't get an error, but there is a log being dumped to console
 
Very cool
hmm. It lets me move them but I get an error that says Error getting data for comments, answers, and questions before the window pops up
 
@NathanOliver this is why it has become a HNQ 2 times!
 
Ha. Didn't even notice that in the timeline.
 
6:52 PM
@NathanOliver @Makyen See possibly relevant discussion in Trogdor (I have no idea how the script works, I just press a button :))
 
All JS is Magic to me. Dark, black, type-less, scary magic ;)
 
You mean "evil"?
 
@NathanOliver so is coffee
 
Coffee has a type though ;)
 
Just so long as that type isn't Java
Any more languages the room would like me to insult? :) No? B2b then.
 
6:57 PM
PHP always deserves being insulted
 
@NathanOliver That should be output to the console, along with data for the SE API request that had a problem, when a request for comment, answer, or question data fails. The most likely thing is an intermittent problem with SE, but it's possible there's something in the script. I've briefly run the Archiver and didn't see any problems, so it may have been on SE's side.
At the same time as you get that output, there should be an alert displayed, basically saying there was a problem and try running the Archiver scan again.
 
It is outputted to the console. I also get a chrome popup with it.
It keeps doing it, but just now I refreshed the page and it's working again. Looks like I might have had the problem cached on the page.
 
@NathanOliver It could be something that got mangled in the environment. I've had a few times where other scripts have become unstable due to issues that have appeared to be in the browser, as opposed to in the script. Unfortunately, this one sounds like it's one we're just going to have to let slide and see if it reoccurs. If you want, I'm happy to take a look at the console output you have stored, which may provide us with more information.
 
7:12 PM
No worries. If it happens again I'll save another log and upload it to the RO room.
 
@halfer TB might also fit nicely
 
Sounds good.
 
Zoe
Where's that meta post on offloading some review stuff to tag gold badge holders?
 
@HermanTheGermanHesse Yep, I agree
 
@Zoe Is there one?
 
Zoe
7:19 PM
I think there is
Unless I imagined something xD
 
Zoe
Yes! That's the one
Thanks ^^
 
yw
 
@halfer always manage to think of a better flag after raising another ':-)
 
@NathanOliver yes, please. We need a min-reprex if possible.
 
7:27 PM
kick
 
7:40 PM
@HermanTheGermanHesse Heh, yeah. However, folks here will vote in the best way for them, so if an original suggestion is not the best one, other voters will modify it.
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(or unclear, if you will)
 
@JohnDvorak agree with TB
Have a nice morning/day/evening/night all y'all ^^ got no more flags left
o/
 
o/
 
7:46 PM
o/
 
o/
 
\o - oh, we're done? oops
 
M-M
@TylerH When did you guys start?
night owls or early birds?
 
I'm a night owl, myself
 
Zoe
7:54 PM
Does anyone else think this looks better now? OP edited it into an actual question.
 
@Zoe still unclear to me
 
@Zoe but it has some issues which means I cannot use it Er, what issues?
 
Zoe
Yeah, good point.
 
M-M
@Zoe since it is a self Q&A but the question should still be clear. Instead of saying [link](that post) and [link](this library) and some issues they could actually form a question that other users can also relate to. That's why the question is closed and downvoted while the answer is upvoted.
 
Zoe
True
 
8:23 PM
Can you get a reversal badge for a self-answer?
 
Zoe
Doesn't the answer have to be posted after the question hits -3 (or whatever it was)?
I mean, you can probably get it if you self-answer, but the question needs to hit -3 first, which excludes instant Q&A style self-answers
 
Does it need to, though?
 
@Zoe No. i've gotten several on Meta and most were made before it was -5
 
Zoe
Guess not then ^^"
oooh
I confused it with whatever you got by posting an answer to a negatively scoring question, where after the answer is posted, the question score rises as well as the answer score
... now that I come to think of it, it was probably a winter bash hat and not a badge :')
 
8:36 PM
 
Zoe
yeah, that's the one ^^"
 
@TylerH It's my life captured in 4 little boxes
 
@TylerH giggle
 
@Machavity oof, I think it's time to go home. I was about to ask why you didn't bother posting a cv-pls for this when I realized I had gotten to that page from your cv-pls link X_X
 
9:33 PM
Question to the room: does this question count as programming?
 
10:01 PM
@TylerH lol
@halfer I went SU. He's not writing any code
 
10:20 PM
@StephenKennedy Please delete my request, the OP already provided an MCVE
 
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Should the answer to that be flagged R/A for being condescending?
 
all you'd be risking by doing so is a declined flag
 

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