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12:31 AM
@StephenKennedy The joke used to be that was a trucker's most common last words: "Hold my beer and watch this!"
Now it's more a meme. "United States fights a war over secession and stays together. UK: Hold my beer..."
 
UK fights a war over secession and still can't decide. US: Hold my beer...
Fixed that for you ^^
 
12:52 AM
@Machavity I'm so angry I'm thinking about making a sign saying just how angry I am (after I've had a nice cup of tea of course) #UKCivilWar
This guy makes a very strong case
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@StephenKennedy I hope his MIL doesn't use SO ;)
 
@Vega It can be a small world at times @Vega, but I'd wager the chances of the MIL being on SOCVR at 3am are slim :)
 
seems legit :P
Brexit: Endgame, Now showing at a parliament near you. lol
 
1:08 AM
@StephenKennedy Sounds reassuring ;) I hope she is not up to get her revenge on a mosquito at 3am (true story, happened to me today) ;)
 
@Vega Plot twist - you are the mother in law?!
 
@StephenKennedy Do I look like her?
 
^^ in Maury voice.
 
@StephenKennedy It's 6.40am here btw
 
@Vega If she has model looks, sure you do! tries to dig self out of hole
 
1:14 AM
@StephenKennedy Accepted ;)
 
@Vega You've done something different with your hair today haven't you? You look fabulous!
...and I'll quit while I'm ahead. Nite all o/
 
@StephenKennedy Have cut them two days ago, thank you :)
Good night!
 
@Vega :) nite
 
 
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5:46 AM
Has anyone seen anything on Meta about Chat search not indexing newer messages? It's looking like nothing is indexed past 2019-04-02 23:07Z. This appears to be the most recently indexed message.
 
Zoe
this suggests otherwise
There's some delay between a message being posted and it showing up in search, but it shouldn't be too large
 
@Zoe The most recent I see in that is at 2019-04-02 22:48Z, but the most recent 15 messages in that search result are no longer in SOCVR (a known chat bug)
@Zoe Yes, there's usually a very short delay. Currently the search index appears to be close to 7 hours out of date, at least based on what I see.
 
6:20 AM
 
@JimGarrison several "helpful" answers already
 
Do you have any idea why "suggested posts" and "triage" have red dots next to them but both queues had been cleared for me. I reviewed merely 3-4 posts today
 
6:38 AM
@Vega "suggested edits" surely? do you have a filter in place?
oops, cleared for me too after a single review ...! no filters
 
@tripleee Yes, silly me ... No filter
@tripleee Do you have the red dot too?
 
@Vega I do
 
@Vega I also see red dots on those. Looks like a bug somewhere. The main reviews page shows me no posts in anything other than the CV an Reopen queues.
 
@Makyen Same for me on that page, only close and reopen queues are 'available'
 
entering the queue again seems to bring new things for me to review
now more than just one
 
6:43 AM
^ same, at least for Suggested Edits.
 
I think the sync is lost
 
though again just a few, and now I don't get any new ones
 
@Vega That's possible. Although, when going into most queues I don't see any reviews available.
 
@Vega not sure it's the same issue -- there seems to have been another one where the main menu gets a red dot but there are no actual queues with red dots
 
6:48 AM
I think they are having the issue we are seeing but the post was flagged as duplicate wrongly
 
Morning \o
 
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I got an other bounty and before time end! I am over the moon :) \o/ \o/ \o/
 
7:01 AM
\o/
 
I say thank you to that mosquito ;) If it didn't wake me up I wouldn't be able to answer
 
:-)
 
@Makyen Same here for Triage. All I get is obvious audit questions or "This queue has been cleared".
 
7:17 AM
I voted to reopen that meta question, but I guess I should leave a comment?
 
This was closed as a duplicate of meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/358717/… but seems to be about a slightly different problem. Voting to reopen. — tripleee 7 secs ago
 
@tripleee Thank you!
 
Chat search indexing appears to be working again. It's only about 20 minutes behind at this point.
 
7:40 AM
 
Zoe
@Makyen chat's horribly outdated though. It could be an old issue no one has reported. Tbh, I doubt it would be fixed anyway
 
@Zoe True. Chat usually doesn't see much work. However, there's indications that chat has been seeing some attention.
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Just FYI: search indexing has been updated. It's now up to about 6:58Z (about an hour ago).
 
^ Edit suggesion also needs reviewing
 
 
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8:56 AM
@Adriaan I've gone with the polite auto-comments, not worth the snark if it's not been initiated by the OP
 
@Vega Nice you are really awesome for angular users.. I will soon try to convince you to make the front-end for HeatDetector :D
 
 
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9:58 AM
re: the meta post we discussed a few hours ago ... it was closed again!
@Martijn Please unduplicate, I see the same thing and I'm not review banned. Vega reported the same thing in the SOCVR room. This is a genuine and (to my understanding) unique question. — tripleee 2 mins ago
 
@Shree It's not closed at all, as you can see. And please, one question mark is sufficient.
 
@Adriaan opps sorry for '?'. Is that one is on topic ?
 
@Shree I'd say no, it's POB
 
thanks.
 
10:24 AM
@Vega \o/ nice work
I just picked up another Necromancer badge - wasn't expecting that
 
wow that angular question poster is pretty self-entitled, after looking at his activity i understand why... php user
 
@RiggsFolly TFW you just ran out of downvotes
 
11:03 AM
@StephenKennedy They are nice... I got a few :)
 
Hey
 
o/
 
@PetterFriberg You have 9, same as me :)
 
that meta post about wrong red dots on queues got reopened again; let's hope it stays open now
 
@tripleee Delete answers?
 
11:14 AM
@MatthieuBrucher 20k+ only, sorry for not specifying
 
Oh, OK, still not there yet :p
 
@tripleee reflag is enough ;)
 
Zoe
@tripleee I've mod-flagged that and several others
With this many incorrect review edits, a review ban is in order (or at least a mod note)
 
Afternoon o/
 
Zoe
Afternoon o/
 
11:22 AM
Afternoon o/
 
\o
 
11:37 AM
@tripleee let me know if your flag gets approved, since it seems that getting something NAA'd nowadays requires you to present a signed and notarised statement by the poster that they actually did not intend to answer the question
 
@IanKemp I flagged it, flag was marked helpful
 
@StephenKennedy i'm flabbergasted
@AdrianHHH we need a "poster didn't bother to use google and expects us to do their research for them" close reason, if 5 people use that reason the question and the user account get nuked immediately
 
we have too broad
 
@IanKemp Great idea. If you propose it on Meta I will happily upvote it.
 
11:57 AM
 
waffles
 
unclear why the domain name is blacklisted, apparently they used to be spammers on Stack Overflow way back ...? Should probably not have been edited then
 
Morning
 
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@tripleee If you're referring to my edit, I felt the domain added nothing to the q but would have said "go ahead and revert with no hard feelings on my side if you think it appropriate". However, I can't see the edit in my history so I guess the post has been deleted. Edit: Zoe has just informed me the consensus changed to tp
 
12:36 PM
@StephenKennedy Thank you!
Cool for your new badge, congrats :)
@PetterFriberg That's too nice, I am flattered :)
 
@Vega ooh don't be it's free work :), but yeah if you are interested we are doing a new API to heat detector so we can run on other sites also (not only SO), BR has done the bot "Boson" that calls api . The backend is almost up, I was thinking to do an angular app as front end (edit regex for domain,view live data etc), but I never got beyond initial commit :)
 
@Vega You're only ~50 votes away from gold tag badge aren't you?
 
@StephenKennedy Ha? I didn't know that! Thanks :) rashes to the new questions queue
@PetterFriberg I pinned the pages and will take a look this evening!
 
@Vega Do don't be so hard on yourself, you've helped a lot of people and that's awesome :)
 
12:50 PM
@Vega not much there yet... but if you think it's fun I can try to explain later what the backend does and my ideas on front end. (The basic frontend is to login with an api-key, edit regex and set other settings), it would also be cool with a page showing live feed of caught comments and non caught comments. Any way no hurry we do things slow... since it's only when we have fun...
 
@StephenKennedy I checked my badges, I have 0 "necromancer", you have 9? Wow!
 
@Vega You can track your progress to tag badge if you want to - go to profile\activity and click the settings icon next to "Next priveledge" and change it to "Track a badge instead". I'm tracking C# gold and it says I need to get 1000 points and 200 answers so by my reckoning you're almost there in angular.
@Vega That's because I hate FGITW races so tend to answer old questions, if I answer at all. But thanks :)
 
@StephenKennedy I got an easier tag...
 
SORRY IGNORE THAT Reopen request.
 
@Vega Lol, do I need to type VEGA IS AWESOME in capitals?! Gold tag badge is gold tag badge!
 
12:54 PM
@PetterFriberg I like the idea to help the community (sincerely!), I hate deceiving though. I will try my best to find time :)
 
@RiggsFolly No need to ignore if you're using URRS. But I was wondering why you didn't unhammer :P
 
@Machavity I did. Just missed the link and clicked the wrong one
 
@StephenKennedy Thank you for the tip and the nice words :)
 
1:54 PM
@FOX9000 whoa, Fox is still alive? Haven't seen a report in ages
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What can we do when a question was closed, but a gold tag holder has opened it again? stackoverflow.com/posts/55489386/… There is at least 3 duplicate targets to that question if not more.
 
@Adriaan Fox still runs in SOBotics. Just more filtered here
 
What's the process on a user performing SE's and trying to burninate before phase 3 (notably without making any other improvements)? Modflag?
 
@Lankymart Shrug and move on. If you feel that strongly, leave a comment, but the CV was sustained so you can't vote again now
 
@NickA SE = Stack Exchange...?
 
1:57 PM
Sorry, Suggested Edits
 
@NickA I can't remember if mod flagging is advised or not but I think it is. If they have a approved edit you can ping them in a comment on the post they edited and point them to the meta post that says they should not be doing this.
 
Well they're up to 10+ edits over the last hour with multiple approved, I just modflagged, will see what comes of it
 
^ also SD report
 
@NickA Just FYI, those actions are already being tracked. If you feel someone is jumping the gun, mod flag
 
@Machavity Ah, ta
 
2:05 PM
 
is only a few questions away from having more tagged questions than ... yippee
it only took 6 years...
 
I remember how hard it was to kill off IE6...
 
2:21 PM
@Machavity So because a gold badge holder re-opened regardless of the fact 3 dups were posted pointing to parsing XML and there is nothing hugely different to this question, we can't do anything? Weird how it can't go back into the close vote queue, because one person who likes to flaunt the guidelines decides to butt against the consensus.
 
@Lankymart Oh it can be closed again. It's just, once it was closed by your voting on it, you can't vote again
 
@Lankymart Post on Meta about it. It would take another gold badge holder, ostensibly, or an overwhelming community consensus, to overrule a subject matter expert like that, typically
 
@TylerH It's not hard to be a VBScript "expert" the hard thing these days is getting the up-votes.
 
2:59 PM
@Lankymart the point is that the system has conferred specific privileges on a user for displaying their knowledge in vbscript within the system
you can be an expert outside said system but if you want to address an issue with an expert in the system you need to be an expert in the system or have community consensus
 
Zoe
4:06 PM
@TylerH faulty blacklist - looking for alternatives atm
It triggered on "csv.html"
 
@Zoe yeah I noticed that, can the blacklist support regex?
 
there was an issue with ello.co AFAIK. e.g. SD caught hello.com and more
@TylerH yes
 
Zoe
I think so, yeah. Sanity-checking an alternative (using //v.ht as the regex). It should catch all the relevant posts
 
all blacklists and watches support regex
 
@TylerH the related questions on this one is a gold mine of a list for other POB questions, too
@Zoe pull request time :-D
 
Zoe
4:09 PM
Yeah, I'll push one up in a sec
 
@MadaraUchiha wow
 
Zoe
Gotta love FB and their brand new ways to violate user privacy without caring xd
 
I love their lack of care. Morality is the one thing holding our tech back. Facebook puts that aside and is like "f(acebook) that, we wants data"
 
Zoe
@TylerH Done. Now we wait
 
4:19 PM
I'm a big fan of the notion that FB, Google, et al should be broken up
 
@MadaraUchiha checks date what on earth?!
 
every time I see some new debacle over privacy or security my brain just screams ANTITRUST over and over in my head
 
@Zoe Time to start DuckDuckGoBook?
 
DDGBook would be awesome
the best thing about DDG , is I can set a colour theme
 
@MadaraUchiha Facebook wants to be known as Facepalm, apparently...
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Zoe
4:24 PM
@StephenKennedy I'm considering more and more uninstalling FB entirely. I still need it because some school-related stuff happens on there (idk why xd). It's just a waste of time and data, and has become one of the biggest holes in my privacy xd
 
4:35 PM
@Machavity 'member when Amazon was just a book store and Google were good guys?
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Does google even have the don't be evil motto anymore?
 
lol, Parliament - ayes 310 noes 310 gets more popcorn
 
@MadaraUchiha that doesn't resemble phishing, that is phishing...
 
@StephenKennedy omg, really
 
@TylerH Just a vote on an amendment, but the first time a vote has tied since 1993 according to the Speaker
 
4:44 PM
nice
has May resigned yet?
 
lol, this guy ^ of course not!
 
(an important amendment mind, as AFAIUI it was to 'steal' another parliamentary day from government business for backbenchers to try to find a consensus)
 
I haven't been following the drama closely, but I did hear that May had promised to resign after one of the previous votes on Brexit
Guess that vote came and went already...
I still don't know why Cameron resigned
@PearlySpencer yes they do
 
user8682794
@TylerH I disagree
 
user8682794
4:54 PM
That's what the manual and help files are for
 
That's fine, but show me some consensus or help center guidance that backs you up
 
@TylerH Yes, she said would go once the withdrawal stage is over (which by her plan is when her withdrawal agreement has been passed) but since she keeps losing votes on that...
 
@PearlySpencer most questions asked on SO could be answered by reading the documentation
that doesn't make them off-topic
RTFM is not a valid comment, answer, or close reason
 
It is a down-vote reason!
 
Yes ^
See, for example, such popular questions in stackoverflow.com/search?q=%5Bcss%5D+what+does+mean
I'm sure each tag has its own list of such questions
 
user8682794
4:57 PM
So you think the linked question about a basic operator is valid programming problem?
 
I think it's a valid programming question, yes
It's basic, but that's not something that's off-topic here
 
user8682794
Well sorry but i do not think it is.
 
If you think a question does not show research effort, that's a reason to downvote, not close vote
 
user8682794
There is no programming problem
 
There is, the problem is OP doesn't know what the operator means/does
 
user8682794
4:58 PM
The question asks what ~= means
 
@PearlySpencer There are lots of such questions, for many languages. They are on-topic.
 
user8682794
@Makyen then what is the point of documentation?
 
hello everyone i would like to ask (even though ik it's not relevant to ask it here) but when i downvote something on stackoverflow my reputation doesn't changes
 
user8682794
The said question does not ask how you can use the operator in any meaningful way.
 
@Makyen I wonder if that has anything to do with Joel's departure
I'm being a bit conspiratorial about it I'm sure but I still feel like while Joel was CEO he was putting the kibosh on any actual chat dev work
 
user8682794
5:00 PM
@BhargavRao that too
 
(along with any actual Q&A dev work, if you wanna be super conspiratorial)
 
@PearlySpencer Probably about ~70% (or more) of all questions on SO can be answered by reading the documentation.
 
@window.document When you downvote a question, you don't lose any rep. When you downvote an answer, you lose 1 reputation
 
user8682794
@Makyen sure but this question is not about how to use the operator in a programming sense.
 
@PearlySpencer OP doesn't have to specify how or even that they will use the answer to their question in some meaningful way
 
5:02 PM
#TylerH okay i got it now thanks for the reply i got confused
 
@PearlySpencer But, it's asking what the operator means, within the language.
 
Many popular questions are asked just for the sake of knowledge rather than an immediate, actual problem
 
@TylerH Perhaps. I have no idea.
 
user8682794
@Makyen @TylerH Sorry but this does not make sense to me.
 
Whether they came across it and want to know what it means, or whether their boss told them to use some code snippet that contains it, or some thing else... it's irrelevant. It's still a valid programming question that has a valid answer
 
5:15 PM
@PearlySpencer I believe the Meta consensus is clear that basic syntax questions are on-topic. As such, I'm going to move this request out. If you feel it should be closed for a different reason, feel free to re-request.
In addition, I'd argue that the 1,700+ views indicate it's useful.
 
@PearlySpencer I remember the first time I saw the @ symbol in code. Wasn't clear at all what it was used for. That's why questions like that can be useful
 
user8682794
@Makyen where is this consensus on Meta?
 
user8682794
@Machavity Questions like these do not contribute to the mission of creating a high quality repository of knowledge. If folks cannot be bothered to type help operators in the command prompt they shouldn't be programming in the first place.
 
@PearlySpencer I'd have to do a more detailed search, but Should we add RTFM to the list of off-topic close reasons? touches on the subject.
 
@PearlySpencer but it helps to generate traffic :) overall however we should avoid turning SO to a debug site, hence general knowledge about stuff is good. As for ontopic, I also feel it is, SO have tons of them and sometimes interesting stuff (answers) can appear that enrich documentation meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/313593/…
There is an answer from Shog9 on that ^^
 
user8682794
5:38 PM
@Makyen this actually supports what I am saying but I will not expend any more time and effort on this
 
user8682794
@PetterFriberg the question I cv-plsed does not enrich documentation in any way. nor does its answer with the broken link.
 
@PearlySpencer Don't close it post an answer that enrich..
 
@PearlySpencer The question is written from the point of view of someone that supports it. The answer basically says, no, we shouldn't have it and "it might be a basic question, but that in itself is no reason to prevent having it asked and answered on Stack Overflow. Subsequent questions about the same thing should be duplicate linked to the original question/answer."
 
user8682794
@Makyen Shogs answer is one of many and does not directly address what the issue is about here. In any case, you should had at least left the request here and let others decide if they agree to vote (or not).
 
6:01 PM
@PearlySpencer Maybe, but it's just one question. There's hundreds of questions out there where little or no discussion is required :-)
 
@PearlySpencer I wasn't pointing to Shog9's answer on the question I linked, just the highly upvoted one.
As to moving the request, I feel we should let people make their own choices, even when my personal opinion is that the choice is wrong. However, in this case, my belief is that the reason you want it closed is directly against a consensus that's been covered in a variety of different Meta posts, over a considerable period of time. My opinion is that it's better for the room to have something that is, IMO, so clearly against that consensus removed.
The ROs can discuss it. If another RO feels we should leave it in the room, then they can move it back while it's discussed.
 
6:40 PM
That last SD report is a spam, at last from my point of view
 
@Vega probably yeah, there is that good faith issue, mod probably approved flags but only deleted post
 
@Vega I was thinking the same. However, seems like that they are linking it, so that others can reproduce your probably.
 
Can anyone remind me how to review suggested edits which copy code from an outside source link (in this case pastebin) into the question? is it rejection due to possible licensing problems?
 
Reject edits that copy code from an outside source. Licensing issue
 
@NathanOliver That's actually news to me
Got a link for that?
 
searching
 
I found this which implies pastebin is fine as it's also CC-BY-SA, but I didn't find a consensus, hence asking
 
7:56 PM
@NickA See ^ for a more accepted answer saying it is wrong to do so for paste bin
 
@NathanOliver Ta, nice find, added it to my list
 
@NathanOliver TIL, cheers.
 
Zoe
8:09 PM
Mod-flagging
 
9:14 PM
seems abuse-y to me but not sure ^
@NathanOliver personally I take a more nuanced approach. For example, I don't think <div class="container">Lorem ipsum</div> is substantial or unique enough to license/copyright and have no problem with copying such code over to SO. But most of the time I follow that approach of "it violates the licensing"
also it really is always going to dig at my subconscious that the unfortunate caveat for giving advice while not a licensed legal professional is the acronym "IANAL"
 
On that note ^, is rolling back the edit I put as review-pls worth it or should I just leave it as it's already been done
 
9:58 PM
@NickA I'd either edit in attribution or roll back the edit. In this case, I'd probably edit in attribution. Note that CC BY-SA 3.0 attribution is a bit more complex than most people assume, but it's not overly-complicated.
 
10:38 PM
 
Anyone remember that MSE announcement about banning the term crap or something similar by an employee?
I can't seem to find it
 
@TylerH not this one, right?
 
ah no it was---sniped by rene
that's the one
 
Your Search Servant was pleased to help out
Now I'm exhausted and will sleep.
 
11:00 PM
RIP
 
11:49 PM
@Lankymart Please don't repost a CV that was already completed and reopened. If you have an issue, you can take it up on Meta
 

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