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oh
didn't know stackoverflow has chat rooms
@aedry Yep. Each room tends to have a topic on which they focus. Usually, this is detailed in the room description that's on the top of the right-sidebar (desktop view). On mobile, it's available on the page that's opened with "info" from the hamburger menu (top-left).
 
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07:25
Morning all \o
07:55
^ spammer has also set up an account on Home Improvement SE, probably to shovel the same rubbish. Worth a modflag to nuke the account?
08:27
@Lundin Keep to the set reasons please and try not to pass disparaging comments on users, it would be "Requesting off-site resources" in this case
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Whatever, it's just trash that needs to be deleted.
Morning!
o/
Long time @Shree, how are you?
08:35
@Sami Fine and where is your morning CV request ? :)
08:45
@Shree There is no one today :)
:)
08:57
Morning o/
09:10
Greetings of the day! ;)
o/
^I am almost local now :)
<I am almost international now :)
@BhargavRao :D
09:46
@Michael [tag:...] ;)
Don't mind me, just casually filing a bug with Google...
@MichaelDodd Which number are you at? I mean how many ? ;)
@Vega First one I've ever filed - take a look
10:14
Speaking of which, are questions which can be answered with "this is a currently-known bug" on-topic? And is the answer "this is a known bug" with explanation valid?
@NickA Got it right a couple of posts above :( I should use the userscript, I suppose.
@MichaelDodd \o yes to the second q, generally yes to the first but it depends
@MichaelDodd Now you have to wait a few weeks or for Quiche (just because I like it ;)) update in augusr to be resolved... I reported 3 times and it needed some "pushing"
@MichaelDodd Yes, the question is absolutely fine. I wouldn't ask a question about a known bug only to self-answer it, though. "this is a known bug" would be a crap answer on its own. Some link to a bug report, maybe a workaround for the question's specific use-case. See this question of mine yesterday, the answer was very good.
@StephenKennedy Cheers, was considering whether to delete my latest self-answered Q, but will probably keep it as others will probably be affected as well
10:19
I second that you keep
^ Looks good to me
@MichaelDodd Yes, your question is good. With regards to self-answering, I meant it would be poor form to browse a repository looking for bugs, raise a question about each one and then answer "that's a bug". Asking a genuine question, finding the answer yourself - which happens to be a bug - and self-answering is totally fine.
Cheers for the second opinion all :)
Now you just have to wait for quiche
10:22
@MichaelDodd Won't be the workaround you mentioned in the bug report useful in your answer?
@Vega I already mentioned that as part of the question
@StephenKennedy :D
So the question is how to make the port number optional again
@Vega I'd prefer crepes myself. Welcome home, if you're home!
@MichaelDodd Oops, I am a bad reader
10:24
@Vega No worries :)
@MichaelDodd Pet peeve: please don't prefix edits with "EDIT:". There is a full edit history available, and people can browse that if they wish to. Questions are most easily readable as one uninterrupted post. Change whatever you need to, don't feel constrained to only add an addendum to the bottom.
@Michael I saw that's why I didn't give the full explanation :)
@Michael Noted, I just felt it was additional insight that wasn't available at the time of posting the original question. I'll avoid it in future.
@StephenKennedy Thank you! I am not home yet, in June, for two months! I have crepes here almost every morning thou. But I can order pancakes, french toasts, wafles,... ;)
Your previous answer from 12 minutes ago with essentially the same content was deleted by a moderator. You will want to step back and figure out why before you find yourself in the middle of an escalation. — tripleee 30 secs ago
10:29
@MichaelDodd Sure. The content was fine. I only remove it completely because it was supplanted by your answer. :)
@Michael TIL supplanted is a word
@NickA My word of the day today was 'verisimilitude'. I've been struggling to force it into a sentence. Unfortunately I don't think this counts.
@Michael That's a word and a half ;o
11:14
Do I edit out the last part here... There is no blog there
@SurajRao Modflag for self-promotion, the same's on their other answer
11:26
Happy birthday to me!
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@MichaelDodd oh thanks.. flagged
Rob
Rob
@NickA Happy birthday!
...PS you're banned
11:33
@NickA Happy birthday :)
\o/ Happy birthday
Can someone check the delete status on this answer? Self-deleted? (Currently have a pending R/A against it)
Happy birthday @NickA. I hope you have a great day :)
@Vega I think so, I'm gunna sit and play the RE2 remaster all night :)
11:52
@NickA haha, enjoy! :)
@MichaelDodd it was self-deleted.
Morning
@SurajRao number of idiots responding to this question like it's an IT Support forum...words fail me.
@Lankymart All of them are new users. They don't know that it's not a forum, or that it's the wrong site
12:30
@tripleee regarding the licenze issue, I have asked clarification on the answer to your question, subsequently I have made a PR to repo, requesting Ashish to review it. Let me know if you think it can fly.
@Machavity some of them been around more than a year, it's a fair point though.
@PetterFriberg thanks!
^ probably spam actually, they just submitted an NAA question to Magento from a different account
13:05
@tripleee aren't all questions NAA? :)
@PetterFriberg yeah but this was posted as an answer to another question
It was just a joke :) "an NAA question". Btw I updated my last comment some, related to the copyright issue
@yivi Already reported
user10976548
All work today.
@NickA Happy birthday!
@Vakore cv reason expected
user10976548
@double-beep Nvm someone fixed it.
@double-beep Pending edit
@MichaelDodd not a salvaging edit though
@tripleee I'm not stating in which direction to vote, just stating that there is a pending edit on a now-closed question :)
15:02
quick question: it seems not an answer doesn't apply to inaccurate answers -- is this really the case? o.O
or even non-answers in general
@treyBake From the FAQ: Any post that attempts to answer the question—however badly—is still an answer!
Taken from this post
@GBlodgett ok, I guess that's ok .. though my latest flag for NAA on this: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1841452/new-line-in-javascript-alert-box/1842336#1842336 was disputed with reason: `Flagging is a way to bring inappropriate content or behavior to the attention of the community. See: What is flagging?
These are the flags that you have raised, along with their current status. You can filter this list using the links in the sidebar.`
Though.. I feel like this 100% isn't an answer, it's just a comment on some other answers given ..
Yeah, I'd say that was NAA as well...
@treyBake Yeah, should be a comment IMO
Given it was disputed rather than declined, sounds like a split vote in the queue
glad it's not me haha just don't get why it got disputed \o/
and ah I see, is that the difference between the two ..
guess I'll have to wait and see
15:09
@treyBake Yeah, declines count against you, disputed has no effect, as if the flag was never raised in the first place
Hmm I see.. well, I guess I'll hope a mod god sees it one day :)
@treyBake Tip: don't raise it on meta. I did on a similar case here and it wasn't received too well
@treyBake I'm just confused why it was upvoted 13 times..
@GBlodgett Because it's "useful"...
@ErikA yeah I was about to post on meta when I thought, "hey the folk in SOCVR are cooler to ask"
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@GBlodgett me too, hits right in the hurts :/ #MakeSOGreatAgain
15:13
@treyBake Yeah sometimes it feels as if we're fighting a losing battle on the moderation part of SO
@StephenKennedy huh, now super confused xD
@treyBake My reading: Your flag pushed the post into that queue, there was no consensus there, and consequentially your flag was disputed automatically
@NickA I see, so "looks ok" means the flag = bad
@StephenKennedy hmpf hahaha xSD
15:22
@treyBake SOCVR: 20% fewer torches and pitchforks than Meta
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@treyBake "Looks OK" means they approve of your avatar :) Srsly: It's the post which is being reviewed, not your flag, so "Looks OK" == "this is an answer"
Zoe
Zoe
@Machavity Just because you upgrade to more modern weapons doesn't mean there's less of 'em overall :*
@Machavity new room tagline xD
@StephenKennedy ahh with ya now haha thanks :)
Zoe
Zoe
Yes. Problem statement + the broken code
15:26
@Dmitry Looks like a new question to me, so yes, NAA
ok thx
Good morning
@SterlingArcher Morning \o
15:43
@Mat "Off-topic" by itself is not a sufficient reason. More detail is required.
Mat
Mat
Oh sorry !
not a big deal, clarify it now in a separate chat message
@double-beep Well... technically speaking, Including an actual close reason is highly recommended, not necessary? ;p
Mat
Mat
I'm never so sure when the question is gimme teh codez actually. But thinking about it it might just be Opinion based
And not Off-Topic
seems h/w as mentioned in comments, the best IMO is eithet unclear or too broad.
Mat
Mat
15:47
lmao the 2 reasons I didn't mention
shows I have no clue
from cv request generator
@double-beep Sure, but if a reason itself isn't even required, then off-topic could simply be ignored as noise
stackoverflow.com/review/late-answers/22466365 can somebody help me decrypt this?
i couldn't find resolver this above embedded mutation type. I have a mongoose model and graphql input type as below.
Does "i couldn't find resolver" mean I "I couldn't find an answer"?
@SterlingArcher looks like NAA to me
That's my initial thought, but a barrier in language might be an issue
15:50
I assumed it to mean "the answer provided [above] didn't resolve my problem"
That's my thoughts as well
Thanks!
@Mat there is a userscript to do the work of CVs for you. You can find it here.
@NickA @double-beep @Mat The last result from a room meeting on the topic of request reasons implied that there was a desire to be a little more lenient on request reasons. However, my opinion on just having "off-topic" is that it shouldn't be permitted, because it's a bit discourteous to the people potentially reviewing the request.
"Off-topic" covers many different close reasons. On SO, "off-topic" includes all of: General computing (Super User, but really anything that "doesn't belong here"); belongs on Server Fault; is a Resource request; No MCVE (debugging question which doesn't fulfill requirements); Typo/Not Reproducible; Migration (to a few different, but not all, sites); and Other: custom reason.
Thus, when you use "off-topic" alone you deny pertinent information to the people looking at the request. The request reason makes a significant difference in if people will choose to click-through to the question. For instance "no MCVE" gets significantly fewer people to click through (based on rate of CV cast), likely due to the expectation that domain knowledge is needed to evaluate. OTOH, "no MCVE: no code" usually gets closed quickly, because it's an easy thing for people to evaluate.
16:11
@double-beep that is spam.. A spam seed is a question which is posted just to later post a spam answer
post already reported
but seems not in chat.SO
Why is that spam?
Click on the link and indeed an auth box pops up
I cannot click that link
that is the problem
@StephenKennedy
anyway, let's have it deleted; one vote remaining
spam-deleted or manually deleted?
20k deletes but any spam flag there will be mark it as spam
yes marked as helpful
mine too
If it gets deleted, any flags are marked helpful
Just needed to go away either way
16:24
Nice to know I'm trusted around here :/ That site pops up an auth box exactly as described and is clearly not spam
@StephenKennedy that is not the problem here. My antivirus blocked the site, so I suspected that it should be a kind of promotion or even a spam seed
@StephenKennedy I think there's confusion on the Charcoal end. Metasmoke is conflicting on it
@Machavity it is because it was already reported in CHQ and you manually reported it here.
Ah, so it is
Sorry for adding to the confusion there
I have also done it
Mat
Mat
16:33
@Makyen Oh yeah I totally agree, I just wasn't aware things worked that way ^^'
@double-beep Please add this information as a comment on the MS posts.
@Makyen Ta much, anything to say on the whether or not a close reason is needed at all?
@NickA Yes, a reason is required, it just doesn't have to be one of the prescribed reasons. The actual discussion is here. #5 is the summary, which is basically what was put in the FAQ. It looks like that text should be edited to make it more clear that a reason is required.
@Makyen Ta, will have a look when home, I did assume a reason was required, my comment was more in jest, although I do think that text I quoted should be updated
Mat
Mat
I suppose I'm glad my newbie questions are raising questions about the FAQ and stuff, just like the weird FAQ links issue that was found out lately
16:48
"one of the default reasons" is a viable starting point and a good default, but "off-topic" is far too coarse for classification for sure.
... if it encompasses all of the site-specific close reasons like the SE close dialog does, that is
To note is that the request generator produces "No MVCE" with one click, and "No MVCE / no code" with three clicks at least.
Mat
Mat
I haven't had time to check out how it works yet sorry :x
@Mat I like the edit - it removed every random fact except one
Mat
Mat
@KevinG Oh I should've spotted that. So flag as spam right ?
@NickA @double-beep @Mat @JohnDvorak I've updated the FAQ regarding this issue: What Should Request Reasons Contain?
Oh, Visual Studio 2019 'launch event' Tuesday April 2, 2019
neat
:/ Prepare to be underwhelmed
17:46
Isn't that 3 months late?
@rene the preview's been out a while
Heh. 1 January next year would be late.
this is probably the release candidate
.NET Core 3 - will ship later. C# 8 - will ship later.
is VS Code on par with what Visual Studio 2017 can do? or are there pieces missing
I've not tried Code yet
17:50
I've not tried Coke yet
@TylerH totally different products, no? VS2017 is still riddled with COM I guess.
@BhargavRao the drink or...
@rene I mean they're different but VS Code is supposed to be "cross platform Visual Studio"
so ostensibly it would be able to do everything Visual Studio 201# can do
eventually, perhaps, but with the functionality not necessarily being provided by Microsoft or within the core product
I confess I didn't get past installing it and having a quick look around but my understanding is that much of the functionality is provided by plugins and extensions code.visualstudio.com/docs/editor/extension-gallery
My current VS Code is missing features from even VS2010 so while it might be able to build the same code, it doesn't have the same richness, yet.
Rider too. I wanted to love it but it's not quite there yet.
18:06
@Makyen (Y) looks good
Mat
Mat
@Makyen "As with most requests, a request reason is required. It is highly recommended that your request reason includes an actual close reason" What's the difference between Close reason and Request reason ? Sounds like it's the same
@Mat "a request reason is required." was added, also by "actual close reason" they mean prescribed close reason rather than custom
A request reason can be any (abiding by the rules) reason to close, actual close reasons are actual close reasons (TB/MCVE etc)
Mat
Mat
@NickA But by saying "even if that's your custom reason" after, the information looks redundant to me at least
@NickA That's not quite the way that I intended "actual close reason" to be interpreted. I'd intended it to be: the actual close reason that you used when voting or flagging to close.
It means you should show us what you want to be shown to the asker
18:11
@Makyen Haha, unclear
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:-)
Mat
Mat
I read all that as simply "As with most requests, a request reason (custom or not) is required"
Hey, edit after starring, not cool @NickA :P
@Mat That was intended to clarify that it should be the reason you used, even if it was a custom reason.
@StephenKennedy I'm sorry xD, I tried to do it super fast
and it definitely makes more sense as edit-pls
18:13
I read it and my headache got worse. (so, yes, I agree with Nick ^ )
Mat
Mat
@Makyen I still think the whole paragraph is wonky; request reason, close reason, actual close reason, custom reason. I believe those terms could be defined more properly first, or just make the edited paragraph clearer
my 2¢
holy crap the keyboard hotkeys for the queue are so nice
@Mat I agree with this, I don't feel like the "As with most requests" adds anything either
@NickA The initial issue was people thinking that the other words indicated that a request reason wasn't required. If we just state "a request reason is required", then we need to separately list every request type and declare that they require a reason.
While when request reasons are required is generally covered in the examples in the section above, it would need to be at least referenced in this section, because it was already indicated as causing confusion, even though the section is "What Should Request Reasons Contain?", which indicates that it's talking about the request reasons that are required, not stating that a request reason isn't required. Thus, redundancy is clearly necessary to prevent confusion.
it is all on GitHub, feel free to suggest a better revision @mat @NickA
18:23
@Makyen That's fine :) I feel the redundancy adds to the confusion in this case but with it explained that's not an issue
how are these SOCVR tools not integrated into SO???
They're absolutely amazing
@SterlingArcher What do you mean by integrated? If you mean automated, the reason is false positives :)
@rene But then how would we have these riveting discussions? :P
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I mean standard for all users
@SterlingArcher we waited for 6 to 8 weeks ...
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18:27
@NickA yes, I was afraid that would be the whole point ...
Mat
Mat
@rene I mean I do Not feel qualified to change the FAQ of a chat I've been on for about 1-2 weeks max. Unless you meant opening an issue on git ? Anyway, the question is here already, but I'll keep that in mind for future questions
Found a bug :P
@SterlingArcher make SO great again
github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/UserScripts/issues/159 small issue, but I made a bug report for whoever runs it
@Mat That's not too bad, I don't use github enough to know how to suggest a revision...
18:32
@SterlingArcher which script?
Oh sorry, I didn't see they're scripts in a single repo. CloseVoteShortcuts.user.js
@SterlingArcher I'll look into that
@rene no rush, it's for failed audits which aren't very common. But I did leave a suggestion for you to consider as well :)
@SterlingArcher found a whole new world, I see
I did!
Why is your diamond on the left side
18:37
My what is where now?
@SterlingArcher a lot of them are pretty good; I use the URRS mostly, for chat
@MadaraUchiha your mod diamond is before your username in chat. It used to be to the right (after)
Still to the right for me
@Mat you can make an edit here. that will create a PR for us to review or you can create an issue here where you offer better wording. We do get notified of that as well. /cc @NickA
@SterlingArcher Where are you seeing this?
18:39
On my chat screen
Almost kicked mod for one-boxing ...
@rene On it now, a very minor change but I think it clears up the confusion (at least the confusion I had)
@SterlingArcher [by-design]
I was thinking it was dark theme, but Tyler sees it too
@rene Almost tried, you mean :D
18:39
It's one of the SOCVR scripts ...
@BhargavRao but... change D:
yep
I'll admit it was a mistake though
@NickA awesome, thanks!
18:42
First ever pull request, I'm so productive today!
Thanks for the PR, but we want to keep it as-is.
:(
sad face
@MadaraUchiha It's part of the Userscript we run. You won't see a diamond unless you're running too
@BhargavRao Curses, mods get to close everything when they're in here :P
18:49
@SterlingArcher This is part of the URRS. By default, the URRS adds diamonds to the left of moderator usernames next to the messages the moderator posts. It also, by default, makes visited links in chat blue, rather than have no indicator that you've visited a link. A) I like having the moderator diamond shown, which is much more clear to me than just having them blue. B) If it did not add some other indication, then having visited links show as blue would make the blue moderator names confusing.
You can open the URRS options popup to enable/disable these features.
Mat
Mat
@NickA Thanks for taking the initiative Nick; I'm currently too busy to work on that
@Mat Don't thank me til you see the change :P
Mat
Mat
@NickA Well at least you tried ^^'
@SterlingArcher The diamond is added to the left of the moderator's username because Chat will just truncate on the right of a username that's too long for the available space. In such situations, IMO, it was more important to show the moderator indicator, rather than a couple of additional characters of the username.
@NickA that change is now live
19:00
@rene Email just came through, thanks!
@Makyen for me, the blue coloration does just fine
@SterlingArcher FWIW I do use the dark theme but not here at work
@JohnDvorak That's why there's an option to disable display of the , as some people don't want it. In general, it's usually a good idea to design a UI such that color is not the only indicator.
Because of screen readers? Do screen readers pick up the diamond symbol?
@TylerH haha all my SO stuff is on my work computer. I need to install tampermonkey on my computer at home
19:07
@JohnDvorak I'm not sure (i.e. untested), but there are considerably more color-blind people than there are those that use screen readers.
@Makyen Does the URRS make it so RO/Mod highlights (italics/blue) appear in transcript messages?
color-blind people can distinguish blue from black just fine.
@NickA Unfortunately, if someone is a moderator or RO is not information which is contained in transcripts, so no, the URRS does not provide that indication.
@JohnDvorak I had moved to talking about general guidelines.
Worst case, tritanopia, is significantly the rarest, and even then there is some difference.
@Makyen isn't there an issue with roomba forecaster? See this queue, all questions show with "roomba 1 day": stackoverflow.com/…
Zoe
Zoe
19:14
No, that's right
No comments leaves the 365-day roomba
they were also recently downvoted
Take a look here for an instance - 4 days ago
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I've only checked 1, but that looks correct. (ninja'd): recently down-voted
@Zoe Or at the post timeline "Mar 10 votes daily summary N/A Up: 0 Down: 1"
Zoe
Zoe
Yeah, but I don't have the timeline userscript and I'm too lazy to alter the URL :')
@Makyen I get it: someone already went through that queue and downvoted, triggering 1-day roomba. thanks
@Zoe Lol, I don't have any userscripts, can't install them at work and I'm not on SO enough at home to warrant it
19:18
@SterlingArcher I use ViolentMonkey myself
@Jean-FrançoisFabre The only issue I'm currently aware of (excluding enhancements) for the Roomba Forecaster is that it does not take into account the recent SE change that for the 30-day Roomba task, all down-votes must be at least 2 days old. That was only changed not that long ago & the Roomba Forecaster hasn't been updated to check it. I need to look at the impact it will have, as the required information isn't on the page.
Zoe
Zoe
@NickA oh ^^"
@TylerH ViolentMonkey is a lot better than TamperMonkey too
I haven't had a single problem with userscripts (mainly Queen Reporter) not loading after I changed to it,
Why are there 100 million atlassian/confluence questions in the cv queue today
@SterlingArcher It's being burninated probably
@SterlingArcher hint
holy tampermonkey
Zoe
Zoe
@SterlingArcher Aha! I knew you were tampering with the election!! :p
19:47
Yeah that's why I'm in 10th place xD
Zoe
Zoe
lol
You don't need to be faster than the lion. You only need to be faster than the other tourist.
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s/lion/zombie/
And if you're too slow, kneecapping the person in front of you is a perfectly valid option
So what John is saying is that I have to sabotage Travis!
lol. yes, exactly.
19:50
I used to be an adventurer like you, but then I got eaten by a lion.
F
lol best quote of the day... "Pi Day is just a fake holiday created by math companies to sell more math."
Zoe
Zoe
@JohnDvorak Or you can just throw an ice berg at them
It might be easier to throw the lion
I'd be lion if I said I had yellow hair
Zoe
Zoe
@SterlingArcher "Ah, you want to buy some math? That'll be 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197 dollars, please."
Hey kid wanna buy some math?
Zoe
Zoe
19:57
Quack is wack, math is what you really want
@Zoe I'd hide behind a tree, but they have eyes these days
Zoe
Zoe
@Machavity Isn't hiding behind a wolf better? :p
@Zoe Maybe. Know where I can find one? ;)
Ok need some feedback on how to deal with this one. stackoverflow.com/questions/55014848/…
Zoe
Zoe
@Machavity Funny xd
20:05
Do I dupe hammer (See self answer) or close as typo/not able to reproduce?
So you want us to stop, because it's hammer time?
lol
Zoe
Zoe
@Machavity No, do you know what time it actually is?
It's SHOWTIME!!
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deep house beats in the distance
@Nkosi I vote for hammer, and you leave us slacking (Also it's correct;)
20:13
@Nkosi The only difference is Roomba. Over in [php] we've got some canonicals for the typos because we get them all the time. Easier to hammer than to wait for 5 regular closures
Your call here. It has answers so won't roomba as a dupe
Clean, Seems like an action you need to do to solve that issue (not a typo)
ok got it
Is it just me or did they add more top ans bottom padding to code blocks?
Zoe
Zoe
They did
All sides, + corner rounding
It makes it look like there's an extra space in there and it hurts to look at >.>
@PetterFriberg I dupe hammered and left a comment for the OP on the self answer. Hopefully it is received positively.
20:23
@NathanOliver There is a meta... but on mobile so you have to search for it
@PetterFriberg SO or SE?
nvm, found it
Zoe
Zoe
Link?
Zoe
Zoe
thanks ^^
20:31
@Nkosi it seems like a reasonable comment
@PaulStenne is this family of yours?
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Zoe
Zoe
xD
20:47
@Vakore I will admit I know nothing about dafny? but why would it need a mcve?
Zoe
Zoe
Looks too broad to me
Maybe, I got no clue, mcve however seems off for that kind of question, since no debugging
21:02
The answer is also flaggable as NAA
@SterlingArcher meeh the question asked for it :)
@SterlingArcher Just to clarify, if it's link-only it's NAA/LQP unless the question is asking for an offsite resource, then you close/delete the question
Mac is closing me as unclear :)
30 days until you're swallowed by Roomba :(
Lol, I will try to enjoy my last days
21:22
That's the spirit. Chin up old boy, we'll miss you :)
 
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23:17
@EJoshuaS It appears the dup-target used there is a duplicate of this question, correct?
@Makyen Those 2 essentially boil down to the same issue, yes.
In both cases OPs are trying to return only from inside a loop (a block which may not be entered)
23:38
@StephenKennedy That's what it looked like to me. I was just wanting to double-check, given that the first was used as the dup-target for the question in the original request.
The first OP also tried void, which is a different compiler altogether but also a red herring ofc as that won't return anything.

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