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00:12
@Makyen I understand all that, and the rule is rather less stringent than I recalled (and to be clear, I support it).
I suppose it comes down to the general implication that moderators present in the room are special guests whereas imho ROs tend to be fully immersed in all that goes on here.
Provided we can interract with you guys in the future as we do now, then I'm sure all will be fine :) It's not as if I ever ping Machacity to ask why he rejected my flag :)
@StephenKennedy np. My impression was that you were probably remembering something a bit more strict.
@StephenKennedy That's a good way to put it.
@Makyen I think you may well be right; and my memory has no doubt been swayed somewhat by those of us who are Trogdor ROs tending to ping mods over there rather than in this room.
@StephenKennedy I agree, being able to interact with the person as members currently do is important. I don't really see that being an RO here and being a moderator must be mutually exclusive. The person who is doing both does need to keep some separation between the two roles, but it's not something that's insurmountable, or, I expect, all that difficult.
00:33
@Makyen Ty. Nothing further to add from this end at this point. More pressing business calls, however - I need to get something to eat :)
:-)
01:26
second one was naa, corrected in MS
02:03
First election upvote on a long-time answer of mine... It was time :)
@Jean-FrançoisFabre =D
@Jean-FrançoisFabre And how are you determining it's an election vote and not just that a random passer by found it useful?
It is my 2nd top voted question, python. Didn't happen in months.
In the last elections, another answer was voted 10 times at least. It was a duplicate question and is now deleted 😀
02:20
Did I read correctly that Zoe got an election downvote, or was it a retaliation for a user-moderation action?
probably election downvote
also happens
Early days but SOCVR is looking strong
Last year candidates haven't nominated themselves yes. There were good ones too.
03:39
ArtOfCode make an awesome election tool
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03:50
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I had someone start commenting on really old answers of mine lol
@Machavity very diverse stats there. Jean uses more votes than anyone else but flagged the least. 2 candidates voted up more than down. network accounts ranging from 5 to 158! great stuff :)
@Shree Not me, I'm a glam rock cop
:)
@Jean-FrançoisFabre You only have 474 helpful flags? That's still a lot I suppose.
Oh wait you were probably <3k rep for only a week or so..
04:07
Who is in charge of SE these days? (re Shree's post)
@StephenKennedy More less it's Tim Post and Shog9. They're the most visible heads at any rate. I'm not sure Joel does anything with day-to-day operations
Nice symmetry in my stats: coming up to 9 years membership; 9 meta posts
oh same ratio as @GBlodgett :)
D T
D T
:)
@StephenKennedy I've had more meta posts than that if I remember. One time in my first couple months I was naive and I posted one about how new users should be allotted five comments, and if they got useful comment upvotes, they'd be given more comments. (I was trying to solve the 50 rep comment limit "problem")
It was not received well needless to say
@GBlodgett That seems like a not unreasonable suggestion, actually (except that I'd consider 5 too high). So what happened - did you self delete it?
04:23
Yes I was still new enough on the site that I was deathly afraid of downvotes and deleted it.
I've picked something up in the election stats which is mindblowing if true, but just gonna run the numbers through the calculator again to be sure
Sum of the 5 current candidates helpful flags: 18,468. @Shree's helpful flags: 23,647
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:)
Shree, the 5 man army
04:48
Only 5,375 helpful flags and 193 Meta posts for me... I guess I'm a slacker :(
@Shree It's not a legal threat against Stack Exchange or its users so I think we can ignore that part...
TB//not programming/customer support, any of those will do
Thanks.
@Shree I went with "not about programming", but really it's all of those.
if it's eligible we should probably delete it once closed
@StephenKennedy Needs one more close vote and one more downvote to become eligible. (Obviously, I'm not recommending either way on whether people should downvote due to room rules - just making an observation).
@StephenKennedy Also not a real question, customer support, and not really about programming
05:04
@EJoshuaS yeah but to be fair, apart from that it's fine
@StephenKennedy Apart from being obviously off-topic and impossible to answer as written? Yeah, other than that it's great.
Joking aside, it's an unfortunate situation for the OP if true - just not something we can help with (nor keep around, as the accusations are unproven).
Yep - I'd definitely think twice about using that particular company if I needed that kind of a service
FYI: MSE downvote rant about this question (former link requires 10k+ on MSE)
@gparyani Do you have a screenshot for us lesser mortals with <10k?
Any opinions on the SD report? Seems like spam to me.
05:11
@EJoshuaS Screenshot
@gparyani Thanks
@EJoshuaS friendly spam link.
@StephenKennedy It'll be Roomba'd; we generally only post such a request if it's not gonna be Roomba'd for some reason (e.g. accepted self-answer, etc.)
@gparyani Indeed, and I specified a reason. They have made accusations against a named party (identified by an email address) which we don't know are true. I could be wrong but I don't believe it should stay on the network (and OTOH I don't think it's worth getting a moderator involved as there are no legal threats against SE or its users).
05:19
@StephenKennedy Ah, sorry, didn't see that.
@gparyani No worries
@StephenKennedy Meh, that part's at best off-topic; it could be a valid question on Law. I flagged the email address for redaction though; would be great if someone with edit privileges removed both instances of it from the post to make the moderators' job easier.
Redaction hadn't occurred to me actually (nor am I knowledgeable on policy about it). As I don't have 10k rep, once a post is deleted afaic it's invisible :)
@StephenKennedy Redaction would make it invisible to 10k+ users as well.
@gparyani Yes, I am aware of that much
05:30
@GBlodgett yes not a lot of flags. I am not a great flagger. Plus we cannot have chat at work so i cannot flag smokey alerts from work.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre If you're elected your flag count will remain at that number forever more :)
...and you'll probably handle that many in a busy day or 2 as a mod
@Machavity an election is just like the meta effect on all your posts
@StephenKennedy i will try to get 500 before that just in case...
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Are you able to see how this post got deleted (mod or votes?) stackoverflow.com/questions/55015671/sendgrid-api-keys-misused
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/55016207/recycler-view-notifydatasetchanged-scrolls-to-top-when-more-items-added

Mentioned above question is a duplicate of this
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/28993640/recyclerview-notifydatasetchanged-scrolls-to-top-position

Please check
@StephenKennedy delete by Mod Cody with 1 delete vote second one from mod.
05:44
@Shree Thanks Shree
NP :)
@Jean-FrançoisFabre If you want to accrue flags quickly, head over to SOBotics
Just saw that ;)
@Stephen i m on mobile now. Not easy to navigate and copy deleted answers for you
05:49
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Shree already answered, thanks
@scienticious Welcome to SOCVR. Another time, if you're wanting us to look at a question with respect to closing it, then we have a format which we like to see such requests in. The basic format is [tag:cv-pls] close reason https://stackoverflow.com/q/12345. Please see: How and why do I need to format my cv-pls (and other requests)?. In you're interested in the room, please read the rest of the FAQ page I linked.
However, it looks like you've already done the most useful thing, which is flag the question for closure as a duplicate.
@scienticious Actually, if you want us to look at voting to close that question, then please repost the request using the format I mentioned above. Doing so will make it much more likely that people actually look at your request. If it's not in that format, then it will most likely just get lost in the chat transcript.
@Makyen thanks for your reply, I am reading the FAQs, next time I will take care of the format .
06:09
@tripleee this was apparently spam after all, the same domain now turned up in Visa spam on Travel.SE by an account with almost the same user name
@scienticious Thanks. If you do want the request you made above looked at, please do repost it with the format I described (usually, you don't need to mention the duplicate-target, as people will see that from the comments on the question, or in the close-vote dialog. My suggestion for you to repost is because using that format really will make it more likely that the request is actioned by people here. If it's not in that format, then once it scrolls off the chat screen, it's basically gone.
With the format I mentioned, we have tools that provide users with the ability to review the requests which are not yet complete.
06:21
@Jean-FrançoisFabre, as an FYI @StephenKennedy will hit the aformentioned, while @Stephen hits at the least both him and I... Cheers.
 
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07:30
Morning all \o
@Jean-FrançoisFabre, good luck!
I doubt you'll need much :D
@Machavity as well, of course :D Good to see you both running
@Cerbrus who doesn't need luck ? ATM it looks good but it's a delicate balance.
Question, how long are close votes against a question active for before vanishing?
The questionnaire votes are often a reasonable indication of what's gonna be the result
But I'm gonna eat my <to be disclosed> if one of those other nominees wins...
07:45
To answer my own question, 14 days
@Cerbrus ArtOfCode was first at last year questionnaire, and even I beated him...
@Jean-FrançoisFabre AoC wasn't really known on SO though
I may be wrong, but I think your name is a little more familiar, to more users
That's because it's horribly long and annoying to pronounce. Thank my parents for that :)
@Jean-FrançoisFabre there are worse names than French ones ;)
not with this character set :)
07:59
@Jean-FrançoisFabre heh. Now I'm intrigued ... will things like ç, č and ñ render correctly? :) å ß ™ :D
@tink yes, SO handles a lot of charsets. It's just that not everyone can read them.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre - oic =)
@tink once you have utf8everywhere.org things like this are trivial and undramatic
@tripleee cheers, that looks like an interesting read!
08:19
looks ripe for plucking, 24 questions
Is the auto-comment script working again yet?
do we need ? Its a twitter hashtag apparently
@Shree Ah, Firefox changes, that explains it
@SurajRao I'd say burn it. It doesn't address a new technology, any content is already covered under
@SurajRao Left a comment asking for clarification
09:00
@MichaelDodd When did it stop working for you? There was a problem within the last week, or so, but it was resolved rapidly for those using the userscript. The Chrome extension took a couple/few days longer.
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Q: Let's get rid of these [unexpected-token]s

Zoeunexpected-token has 75 questions with no tag wiki and no clear meaning. Burnination criteria: Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous? It usually refers to a piece of information in an error message, but one that doesn't add any ...

09:11
@Makyen About 2 weeks ago
09:26
Does a tag get automatically deleted if there's no questions using it?
@MichaelDodd Yes, after it has no questions when the cleanup script runs (daily)
Ok, I'm just going to roll back that edit then, I honestly see no justification for that new tag
@MichaelDodd Are you using the userscript or the Chrome extension?
@Makyen Possibly the previous firefox extension, using the userscript now, works again
@MichaelDodd The Firefox extension hasn't worked in the current version of Firefox for at least a year and a half. If you are on Firefox 57+ it would not be possible to use it. IIRC, it actually stopped being updated well before that.
@MichaelDodd I'm glad to hear that it's working.
09:38
@Makyen ah fair enough, was userscript then, for some reason I mustn't have got the update notice from greasemonkey
@MichaelDodd Hmmm... what version of Greasemonkey 4 (GM4) are you using? Off the top of my head, I don't recall which version auto-updating was added to GM4, but it only entered their pre-release builds as of late 2018-08. If for some reason you have not updated Greasemonkey 4 in a while, then you may not have auto-update capability.
09:54
@Makyen 4.7, last update 15th Jan
10:09
@NicholasK I'm certain an identical question was asked yesterday. Can someone 10k+ check if it's from the same account?
@MichaelDodd we can't see deleted posts from other users if we don't have a link
@rene I meant regarding the same user. I don't have the link (and con't be bothered to search through browser history) so checking against another user is not an option for now
Possibly this one? (10k)
I just remember seeing that sample dataset
Woo! One of my questions just reached +75! 25 to go...
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10:24
@MichaelDodd nope, different user, different tags, different dataset ;)
This would worth a del-pls I suppose stackoverflow.com/questions/55020844/…
Or just let it roomba away?
Oh got deleted nvm
@kayess ninja'ed
@SurajRao mad propz to 'em ninjaz
10:55
@Shree Leave a comment warning about NSFW content then modflag
Gone now
Yep :)
@Shree Yeah in that case I don't think it was strong enough to be spam, and not R/A, but definitely needed to be gone ASAP. Since editing the "answer" would have drastically altered it too much, IMO the best remaining option was to modflag and warn others so they don't end up getting fired :)
Ok thanks.
11:54
@StephenRauch I'm sorry but I didn't understand your messsage. Could you please clarify? cc @Jean-FrançoisFabre
12:11
@MichaelDodd Nice one! How old is the q?
@StephenKennedy 27th March 2018, so just under a year
@MichaelDodd Oh wow, so that ought to hit 100 easily
@StephenKennedy yeah hopefully, still getting a +5 every week or so at the moment
12:52
@Cerbrus Thanks!
YW, @Machavity :-)
With Baum now in the race and Makyen yet to declare, it could be a blood bath yet
Too bad there's only 2 vacancies
13:14
Sup
Any one use Sololearn?
Zoe
Zoe
Nope
That is cool, try that out.. 😅
Zoe
Zoe
@Zlytherin eh, I used it a year or so ago, it's not really that good
13:30
Ohh, but I like that, anyways everyone have their own preferences, :D
This is the greatest thing I've ever seen!
o/
Zoe
Zoe
@Zlytherin that's not pure CSS...
13:35
Yup but still.
Zoe
Zoe
Nvm ^^"
@MichaelDodd Oh, somebody else just learnt how to use C# 7 with VS 2015. +151 now.
@Zlytherin boy, the box shadow is really glitchy...
Zoe
Zoe
14:02
@JohnDvorak there's just two frames though... Less frames == more bugs
Zoe
Zoe
xD
Animation frames*
14:17
o/ just realized I passed both 6k helpful flags and 6k posts edited
ooh, new candidates
@Swordfish That is not a proper close reason.
@Swordfish please use a real close vote reason
@Swordfish In addition to using a real reason, please avoid commentary on the question. There's plenty of valid reasons to close without insulting the question (and by proxy, the user)
@Swordfish if you think it's a stupid question, don't answer, specially if you voted to close.
@Swordfish Answering a question that you think should be closed can lead to the question not being removed later. Bad questions should be deleted
Tiw
Tiw
Or when you decided to answer it, at least retract the close vote. Otherwise it seems a vice strategy to exclude other answers.
There is no formal SE policy that prohibits that, just saying.
edit comment I'm reviewing: "Comment: formating, splelling"
LOL that's someone I'll trust with my official papers
Tiw
Tiw
14:40
Well, the law and morality can never be fully matched, but we should abide both nonetheless.
@Tiw true that
14:56
Woo I've been serial-upvoted to death... now if I get a legit upvote it will bring me zero because of the repcap. Thanks my secret admirer from the elections: i.sstatic.net/mZpoP.png#.png
@Jean-FrançoisFabre ping a mod in the election chat to quickly have a CM run the reversal script? :-P
well, I'll live. Those things take time anyway. thanks for the advice. And thanks for your question on my election profile. At first, I thought it was a trick question from some stalker until I read it fully.
Just lost 9 points because of this... legit upvote just now on recent answer... how are you supposed to reach 200k like this ? :)
@Jean-FrançoisFabre haha, no, it was sincere!
And yeah, it would be a good questionnaire question, but then again not all candidates post requests here
I'm not bothering a mod who will bother a CM for something that will happen in a few hours.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I like waffles.
15:05
@TylerH that's why I said "broaden it". When you're a power user you can vote to close/delete stuff, knowing that others can follow or not. With binding vote, sometimes you just cannot vote... smth like that.
@E_net4 that would work.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Indeed.
It's just that I just realized now that serial upvoting can cost you rep, when the one doing this want to give you some...
Wait, maybe serial downvoting can give you rep...
It's not really costing you anything. Had they not done it you'd be in the same boat.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre well, people might see a downvoted post of yours and think 'wait, this shouldn't be negative', then the DV gets reversed -> rep gained
@NathanOliver I don't like my dingy anymore. Can't I get a proper ironclad?
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15:09
@Adriaan yes. Or pity upvotes for a poor 100k+ user.
I'm fresh out of ironclads but I have a swan shaped paddle boat you might be interested in
@Jean-FrançoisFabre true, but I was mostly just interested in your del-pls answer :-P
np. I think I'd have to choose what to do for each case. But there's a minor formality before this :)
@NathanOliver oeh, swan shaped... nice upgrade, although it reminds me too much of being pinned down under a charges whilst my friends get slaughtered by a tank in the 'tunnel of love'
@Jean-FrançoisFabre check their edit; did the IDE pre-catch an error?
Whoever uses Visual Studio code for python doesn't deserve an answer :)
15:19
@Jean-FrançoisFabre people use IDEs other than VS?! Wah?!
PyScripter is okay for Python. And it's not bloated like VSCode.
Plus the edit doesn't make the problem clearer...
"Hello I don't have an exception with VSCode, here's a screenshot of VSCode with the exception"....
@Jean-FrançoisFabre what do you think about PyCharm ?
@NullPoiиteя I don't use it because I master my libs, but a lot of skilled colleagues are using it and they find it great. I just don't like the endless indexing when you set your paths.
I'd say: PyScripter for small/medium projects, PyCharm for big, multi-developer projects.
@NullPoiиteя POB of course :)
@Jean-FrançoisFabre makes sense, as i too use other product of jet-brains and they are awesome too
@Jean-FrançoisFabre could you tell me what POB means? This acronym has many meanings :)
Primarily Opinion Based. Like the close reason.
15:26
@Jean-FrançoisFabre pain in the behind :( I wanted Cartopy to work, so I had to use conda instead of pip; undocumented poo it was trying to get it all to work. When it finally worked I was forced to use Jupyter notebooks, and those don't work with conda, but do in pip, so out the window it all went again >.<
@NullPoiиteя it appears that their c++ editor is cool, but not free
@StephenKennedy , Some people have been addressing you with @Stephen instead of @StephenKennedy. @Stephen pings both of us. And potentially others as well. cc:@Jean-FrançoisFabre
@StephenRauch where?
guys at jet-brains make some of the best IDEs, but their products are costly, however justified given their features
@Adriaan multiple distribs of python are a pain. But pycharm can use whatever you specify.
15:32
@StephenRauch Same with me, there's another user active in called "Michael". When we've both commented in a question we both get pinged when he gets mentioned.
I don't know a decent C++ editor. Except for Gnat Programming Studio, but only the paying version (with support) is working, older ones (free) are crashing.
I do all the debugging for them :)
@MichaelDodd Heh, even worse in SObotics where there are 2 users with username "Rob" (one being mod Rob)
@StephenRauch Noted, understand now ty
@Jean-FrançoisFabre, you can go back a couple on the reply chain. Other than that I don't know how to indicate a specific message.
Why does HackerNews think I'm German?
15:35
@JohnDvorak Perhaps you should embrace your inner Norse.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre here
More importantly, am I Weitere Informationen with Cookies, or OK?
@MadaraUchiha Thanks. Updated.
Even more importantly, switching to Chrome would be a downgrade for me
@MadaraUchiha Almost completely moved back to Firefox now. Will update my installs tonight though. Cheers
15:37
@StephenRauch okay I don't get it... Well whoever wants to talk to me will have to repeat himself :)
laughs in Firefox 🔥 🦊
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Firefox here too.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre When you ping just Stephen, any user whose name starts with Stephen gets pinged, not just your intended target.
@jea
Like this ^
Heck, I don't even know where on my hard drive the EXE is. Program files x16?
Oh, that 😉 okay. I was on mobile, probably that was the issue.
@JohnDvorak run it and use process explorer to find the full path. Program Files is for 64 bit apps. Else it's (x86)
15:39
How do I run it without knowing its full path?
Ah, it's under G in the start menu.
I didn't C it because I was looking at the wrong part of the Alphabet.
@JohnDvorak it's probably a duplicate question.
@JohnDvorak that is where your Windows 3.0 programs would be ...
15:58
C:\PROGRA~1 eeeek
16:26
@AdrianHHH last comment there is a (low scale) personal attack. I will flag NLN.
Thanks @StephenKennedy, I pondered flagging it but thought it added strength to my cv-pls.
@StephenKennedy rejected
no improvement. rejected.
16:35
I have just discovered the Tree Style Tab extension for Firefox.
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A whole new world has been opened to me.
Morning all /o
Also wondering whether the above is a sneaky form of SPAM? =| "My site is working fine" ...
? :)
Is that a "no" or an abbreviation I'm unaware of?
I don't need to prove a negative :) Tell me why it's spam... oh, sorry - Nah means no
Hehe .. well, no, you don't need to prove anything. And the question is off-topic anyway.
17:09
Informal. "non-standard spelling of no, used in representing southern English (especially cockney) speech".
Zoe
Zoe
@tink give 'em the benefit of the doubt. There's also a lot of questions saying "something is wrong with my website <link>" because they don't know they're supposed to create an on-site mcve, but it's not necessarily spam for that reason. In this case there's an actual question + disclosure, so it's not spam
@Zoe - right. Cheers - helpful as always. Guess I've lost some of my trust over the decades in IT ;D
I was going to explain all that but had to take a phone call :(
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@StephenKennedy pesky things, those
Zoe
Zoe
@MadaraUchiha I don't get it - there's no noticeable tree collapsing, so what difference does it make?
17:18
@tink yeah and I told the caller don't ring this number again! "but I'm your mother" she said
Zoe
Zoe
@StephenKennedy Have you considered changing to a fax instead?
@Zoe Press F1
Zoe
Zoe
I know, I can see the tree on the left
@StephenKennedy heh ... and lol @Zoe
@Zoe Have you been reading the Encyclopedia of the Last Century again?
17:19
@Zoe Open a new tab from this one
Zoe
Zoe
But collapsing the tree still doesn't hide the tabs
As in, clikc on a link
@Zoe What do you mean?
Zoe
Zoe
I already have a tree that this is a part of
@MadaraUchiha Collapsing the tree doesn't actually hide the tabs from the other tab display. Leaving it as messy as usual
@Zoe That's not what happens to me.
I have no idea what's wrong with yours.
cough Wandows
all this talk of collapsing trees is making Baum mit Augen very uncomfortable
Zoe
Zoe
17:24
Reboot?
Hehe
reroot maybe?
Did you try turning it off and back on again?
So happy to see last week's IT crowd special :p
@MatthieuBrucher What?! A new episode?
17:42
@StephenKennedy A one hour special that was broadcast recently on E4. Not sure how old it was, but definitely more recent than the series (references to things that didn't exist at the time).
Oh, actually it's still quite old :(
But never saw it before, so nice surprise to me :/
@MatthieuBrucher Probably the finale, which was very good. Did it involve a small barista?
oh yes, that was the one.
Sorry for the false joy :(
Zoe
Zoe
18:15
Meh, still doesn't work :/
18:27
@Zoe Are you talking about the tab line at the top of the window?
Zoe
Zoe
yeah
Yeah, the new extension API doesn't permit extensions to touch that, so it remains unaffected.
Zoe
Zoe
oof xd That defeats the purpose for me at least
@E_net4 OP has added code - does it count as an MCVE?
 
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dbc
dbc
20:00
@rene I'm not sure this is too broad. The actual question seems to be How can I convert HTML to RTF in .Net core 2.2, it's just that the OP included a lot of extraneous stuff that makes the question seem broader. There are already some similar questions around, like stackoverflow.com/q/150208/3744182 and stackoverflow.com/a/5922740/3744182
20:20
@MatthieuBrucher Netflix called it "Season 5", when it was a one-off long episode
@Machavity Typical Netflix :/
...coming over here, taking our shows
@dbc well, that can work. I was more reading into it that they wanted to have the openxml output be transformed to rtf. How does the webbrowser control handle that?
20:36
Web browser control? .NET Core 2.2?
dbc
dbc
@rene My interpretation is that OP just needs to insert some HTML into a PowerPoint text box, preserving formatting. I've never tested using WebBrowser for this, but the answer has been around for a while and so presumably works in basic cases.
@StephenKennedy Looks like it's coming in 3.0, which is why I mentioned it in comments and asked if moving to 3.0 would be a possibility: docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/…
@dbc Yeah, just saw your comment. WinForms and WPF are coming in 3.0 (but Windows only)
21:34
(Sorry, bit rusty on this, not been here ion a couple of years!)
@JackParkinson That is definitely too broad.
More concerned that I didn't use the right tags, etc! Should get all that set up again if I intend on sticking around!
22:31
@Machavity "thanks and sorry". That's nice.
sorry myself, I was in SOBotics mode and forgot a real person would get pinged :/
@StephenKennedy Does not compute beep
@StephenKennedy Humans are complicated, eh.
@E_net4 Just about the most complicated things around, yes

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