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3:03 AM
Why not move the moved messages too?
 
3:22 AM
@BhargavRao Because then we would have to move the moved messages about moved messages. And that's just silly
 
Move those as well.
It's just another level deep.
 
@BhargavRao Because SE Chat doesn't permit you to move the move messages.
 
Wat, really? I usually do it in the R public chat room.
 
Hmmm... maybe that's a moderator thing. I know I've tried it in the past. Let me double check.
 
Rob
Just tested.. and worked for me. Pretty weird thing to allow moderators to do if non mods can't
 
3:26 AM
For me it quietly fails to move.
 
Same here. Nothing happens when I try. Just like trying to kick a moderator, it just fails
 
From an accountability POV, it's actually quite reasonable to prevent the move-messages from being moved by non-moderators. If it was possible to do so, then it could be quite a bit harder for moderators to track down what really happened in a room. At least with the move-messages, you at least know where to go looking for the content.
 
Damn, mods have too much powers
 
Rob
I believe those messages can be edited, too
 
Yes, they definitely can be edited by the RO who did the move, or, obviously, a moderator.
Hmm... I don't think I've tried deleting.
Nope. Deleting doesn't work.
But, it at least explicitly notifies the RO that it can't be deleted.
 
3:36 AM
That's better
 
The silent failure for trying to move a move-message is better than what it does when an RO tries to move a message by a user who has been deleted. If an RO tries to move a message by a deleted user, then the entire move fails, w/o notification as to exactly why, so none of the messages you're trying to move get moved. At least when you include a move-message in the list of those that are supposed to be moved, the rest of the messages are moved, just not the move-message.
Our archiver has to determine if the message is by a deleted user prior to adding to the list of those messages to move.
 
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4:15 AM
@FrankerZ absolutely nothing can be done to salvage things like that, the best thing is to close vote it and down vote it and move on
 
4:27 AM
@Makyen looks like a bug, have you guys reported it?
 
@BhargavRao I think that one was reported. I'd have to double check. I may be thinking of a different one though.
 
Ah, k.
 
 
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....aaaand I've had enough of the Triage queue for one evening. 'night all.
 
8:01 AM
@BhargavRao Goedemorgen @BhargavRao!
 
 
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9:26 AM
Guys what do you think about my edit here? stackoverflow.com/posts/54492890/revisions
He had 2 questions so I removed the second to have only 1 question per post.
 
9:43 AM
o/
 
\o
 
o/
 
 
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11:32 AM
@JimGarrison this has 3 reopen votes and the code has been added. Your opinion?
 
 
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12:35 PM
editting his questions multiple times after he gets an answer
 
@IslamElshobokshy you cannot send requests from posts in which you have an interest.
Should we reopen this?
 
@double-beep sounds like a translate request to me, so no
 
@double-beep Also you've already asked that here
 
@Adriaan ok. I thought that, but I am not so familiar with HTML/CSS.
@NickA the owner. Now the whole room.
 
@double-beep Fair enough, IMO, no, leave closed
@IslamElshobokshy I went with OT
 
12:56 PM
Yea I think I should've went with that too @NickA, but he deleted anyway ^^
 
1:06 PM
@Dmitry he isn't tho
 
@IslamElshobokshy I assume you missed the last line of the question
 
@IslamElshobokshy As has been mentioned, it's not permitted to make requests about posts in which you are involved. You've answered this question. 'For questions and answers: You are "involved" in the question and all answers to the question if you are the author of the question or the author of any non-deleted, non-community-wiki answer on the question.'
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@IslamElshobokshy Is there any non-proprietary code around for this functionality (path in, coordinates out)? is not request for off-site resources?
 
@Dmitry oops didn't read the last line indeed, sorry
Voted :-)
 
1:26 PM
 
Morning
 
1:46 PM
Is this answer valid? I think not. Answering proposing just a library.
 
@double-beep If you flag that most likely it will be declined. It's a poor answer but I don't think it qualifies as not an answer. It is a down vote candidate.
 
I have gone VLQ. Can I submit a ?
Oh, I see that I am up-to-date with the current year. See my flags :).
 
It's definitely not VLQ
I think NAA will be fine on it
 
@NickA I have learnt from SOBotics, Natty reports that these answers attempt to answer the question (not NAA), but the should not provide off-site resource (VLQ or else what?).
 
The guidance for 20K deletes is The answer is extremely low quality: There is little to no scope for improvement or The answer doesn't attempt to answer the question; it may be a comment or a separate question altogether.. I don't think it fits that
 
1:56 PM
@double-beep It's LO, which is NAA, even if they mentioned the library by name it would just be low quality, it definitely doesn't qualify for VLQ
Edited now regardless
 
Yep, VLQ cleared.
 
2:57 PM
Last link could also be closed as syntax error
 
3:33 PM
ooh, a great question badge on Meta
oh, for my request :-(
 
@TylerH :+1:
@TylerH :-1:
 
also, hi all o/
 
\o
 
3:57 PM
off-topic in this room, but doesn't seem worthy of meta post. Are mods able to see who downvoted/upvoted answers? Had a minor dispute with someone who answered and shortly after my answer on same post was downvoted. It doesn't feel like a bad answer but I guess that's my opinion. Just curious to see if the mod gods are able to see it or if I need to revise my answer
 
@treyBake No, only SE employees can see who voted. (Has been asked on meta before, somewhere, might be meta.SE)
 
@Adriaan ahh ok, no worries, guess I just have to hope it's good enough to go positive :)
ty anyway ^^
 
@treyBake Mods have some tools to let them know when serial voting has occurred, but they cannot see votes. I don't think most CMs can either. IIRC only a developer like Shog9 or Taryn can do that
 
@treyBake that's also the reason voting fraud beyond what the system automatically detects is rarely investigated; dev time is expensive and spent more useful
 
@Machavity ahh, it's not a serial case, just a one-off which makes it hard to tell if it was in retaliation or just someone else's opinion :S
@Adriaan haha yeah tell me about it, -2 rep isn't end of the world (just hurts deep inside :'()
 
4:01 PM
@treyBake the rep soon becomes irrelevant. What's more pertinent to me is loosing tag points
 
@treyBake Honest advice: not worth crying over that.
 
@treyBake If it's not a double (two downvotes won't trigger anything) then I just write it off as opinion
 
@TylerH Congrats, you are number 5 in the top all-time askers in :)
 
@Adriaan good point, it wasn't tagged with PHP so meh haha
@E_net4 no, very true :)
 
hmm how did you make the tag link point to meta?
 
4:02 PM
@Machavity good way to go :)

Thanks to everyone for replying ^^ :)
 
@treyBake It's kind of like crying over spilled milk Tim's keys.
 
You underestimate my love for milk ;) but your point be valid, if it goes beyond that one downvote, then I'll know it's me sucking
 
@StephenKennedy It's [meta-tag:status-deferred] for .
 
@Makyen ty
 
@Makyen but isn't a meta-tag a tag which does not describe its content...
 
4:07 PM
never go full meta
 
@Adriaan Well, it could be a meta-meta-tag, but then we'd have to consider meta-meta-meta-tags, etc.
 
@StephenKennedy woot? :-P
 
The Full Meta Starring Stephen Kennedy as Shog9. "I really think you guys are overthinking this"
 
@Machavity Should I get my application in to be Shog10?
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I think of Shogs 1-8 as being like Spinal Tap drummers so maybe that's not the best idea :)
 
@StephenKennedy Shog9++
 
4:18 PM
@kayess What is the difference between ++Shog9 and Shog9++?
 
I'm a .NET guy so it would have to be 9#
 
@GrumpyCrouton FWIW, this one would be too broad even in English.
 
I bountied a Q this morning and am still getting used to the weirdness of a -100. Then someone upvotes the Q and it's now -95
 
4:34 PM
stackoverflow.com/questions/54486184/… I edited this an fixed it, does it look good to reopen?
 
@JerryDiPasquale Personally, I think it is too broad. It should still remain closed.
 
@double-beep how? can I edit it more to make it less broad?
 
@JerryDiPasquale Personally I think its off-topic because it's not programming, it may be better on another site (Server Fault? note i'm not encouraging you to go and ask it there, I don't use server fault so it may be off topic there too)
 
@JerryDiPasquale you are asking multiple questions at once.
 
Sometimes mods confuse me, I never know if I should flag all the comments in a chain as no longer needed or 1 and never know what to expect afterwards either...
 
4:46 PM
@RiggsFolly edited and fixed the typo. Is the cv now valid?
 
@E_net4 Yeah, makes sense
 
@NickA The rule of thumb I found: if it's more than 3 comments, consider making a single mod flag.
 
@E_net4 And multiple individual ones otherwise?
 
@NickA Aye.
 
 
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5:59 PM
How come this got deleted? stackoverflow.com/questions/54486184/…
^ and can I fix it so it can be reopened?
 
I would assume the delete votes (most at least) came before your edit.
I think it's fine now, so I'm voting to undelete.
 
@JerryD Keep in mind you should typically not edit questions in such a way that they invalidate existing answers. In this case your edit makes the existing answer not make much sense
 
Only people with golden badges can close questions with multiple duplicates?
 
6:15 PM
There is another set of people who can...
But you always forget them...
#ModeratorsFeelLeftOut
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Moderators can do almost everything, so they are automatically excluded.
 
@BhargavRao #ModeratorAppreciationMonth
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@TylerH =D
Morning all /o
 
o/
@TylerH \o/
 
6:18 PM
@double-beep Gold badge holders can only close a question as a duplicate of a single question. After a question is closed, any gold badge holder (of a tag that is on an appropriately-closed question) can add or remove additional duplicates, up to 5
 
Heh
 
Interestingly, one gold-badge holder changing the duplicates list of a Q closed by another gold-badge holder does not show up as a 'recent edit'
 
@BhargavRao I wouldn't say "left out" - just under appreciated maybe? Just more that mods do stuff that needs doing that no one else except a mod can see has happened :)
 
Which I am pretty sure is a bug
 
@TylerH it shows in the timeline
 
6:20 PM
Rattles scooby snacks
 
@Adriaan =D
Have a biscuit?
 
@Adriaan oh wow... scooby snacks... /me starts running around in circles - woof woof!
 
@JonClements Yes it does but not in the 'last edited by' link at the bottom of the main post, I mean
 
@double-beep A question will be closed with multiple dup-targets if the close voters select different dup-targets when they vote to close. For example, 1 person selects question A; another person selects question B; yet another close-voter selects question C, each as the dup-target when they separately vote to close. In that case, when the question is closed it will have A, B, and C as dup-targets. As mentioned, gold-tag-badge holders and moderators can edit the list after the question is closed.
 
I only noticed when I closed a Q as a dupe and then refreshed the page and saw the question had changed to a different one; turns out @TemaniAfif had adjusted the dupe target to a better one but I never would have known had I not gone to the timeline
I was confused at first because I assumed someone had seen the closure, gone to my suggested target, and then edited the grammar of the question title, but I was surprised because caching usually isn't that quick, so I went to the question and its title was still the same, so I was like "huh"
that's what prompted me to go look at the timeline
 
6:25 PM
@JonClements they happen to be in the land of Trine...
 
ahh... is it really an "edit" though...
I could argue myself both sides of whether it should be or shouldn't be considered an "edit" @TylerH
@Adriaan you're not letting that one go are you my friendly pink elephant... you about Saturday?
 
@JonClements Until ~18:30 your time (assuming you're still on that island)
 
@JonClements I can see both sides of the "dupe edit = edit" debate. I don't think it's broken as-is tho
 
@JonClements I mean, the question or its meta data was modified... seems pretty clear cut to me tbh
frustratingly I can't seem to find the question I'm talking about though. I could've sworn it was from February but I'm back to Jan now and no hits
 
@Adriaan last time I looked I was... unless the GB mainland has floated off somewhere :p
 
6:34 PM
@JonClements that happens in 5 weeks, then you float to hell ;)
 
Hopefully it's warm :)
@TylerH what I mean is - although it'd be nice to review changes like that (as you put them - as "meta data") - for the amount of people who could review that and the number of people who can do anything about it - is it really worth the system bumping it
 
@JonClements I agree it's probably not worth bumping in almost all cases, but it should be displayed still for accountability/transparency. While the record is there for users in the timeline/revision history, we shouldn't have to go there to see that it was in fact edited more recently than the front page says.
I guess my beef is that if the page bothers to tell me when a question was last edited, it ought to tell the truth
Hmm, okay I can't seem to find this question at all. @JonClements would you perhaps have some method of looking for this? A question Mjolnir'd by me whose target dupe was changed by Temani Afif?
 
@TylerH maybe make it a feature request? I'll be honest and say I don't feel enough about it to actively support it though.
@TylerH what I could get behind though is making the timeline of a post more accessible.
after all, mods have a button next to posts that show them the timeline without using a userscript or something to do so
I have a feeling though it's been asked before on MSE
 
6:55 PM
iirc it is an expensive query
 
^This one is ready to be opened again
Cause i'm trying to patch up my poor questions so they are good
 
@JerryD please stop plugging your own questions. See the room FAQ rule 15
 
gotta make a few calls, bbiab folks
 
@JerryD I don't see what that has to do with programming.
 
@Adriaan ooh didn't know that's what this place is for thanks for letting me know
 
7:09 PM
@makyen what does status '...' mean in Roomba Forecaster?
 
to be decided in 6 to 8 weeks
 
Cant say I have noticed this before... but when did we start getting a daily limit on upvotes?
 
does anyone have a link to the timeline userscript?
 
@RiggsFolly since 2008
 
7:13 PM
@RiggsFolly isn't there a badge for using all the votes in a day?
 
@StephenKennedy I use SE Modifications to show a timeline link on posts.
 
I do like to keep abreast of changes :) :) :)
 
@Makyen But, there are a variety of others.
 
@StephenKennedy Probably
 
@Makyen Yes on a different computer I had one which just added the timeline link, but I'll try the one you suggested, thanks
 
7:18 PM
@StephenKennedy That should only be there or a brief time while data is being collected. On question pages, under default settings, it shouldn't be a human-noticeable time. In the close-vote review queue and MagicTag, or under some other conditions, data is fetched from the SE API, which should only take a very brief time (usually <1s). You may have also changed the setting such that data is fetched from the SE API on question pages, then there will be a very brief delay.
If you are seeing "..." as the status on a page for an extended time, then something is wrong.
 
@StephenKennedy It's stackoverflow.com/posts/{question id}/timeline
Alternatively, you can get there quicker by clicking into the revision list and replacing the end of the URL with timeline
That's just for people too lazy to install makyen's script, tho
 
@Makyen I just imported a TamperMonkey backup onto this new computer. I'll try restarting Chrome.
I was not on the current version. Sorted now. Apologies.
 
Restarting Chrome will free up so much memory, you're computer will feel like new.
 
I have no memory worries on this machine @rene :)
 
I have memory issues in my brain.
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Damn Chrome, taking too much memory.
 
7:29 PM
My work laptop can take 128GB RAM, I guess it'll run Chrome
 
@Adriaan whatttt?! what brand and model is it?
 
@StephenKennedy Lenovo ThinkPad P52
 
@Adriaan Very nice. I got a Thinkpad X1 with 64GB.
 
It suffices, for now. I'll move to the cluster in half a year or so
 
Does the cluster fit on your bagagedrager?
 
7:36 PM
@double-beep It's a request for someone to translate the code for them. Too Broad.
 
8:14 PM
@JonClements Yuu mean just easier access rather than typing in /posts/<postid>/timeline in the URL?
that does irk me to this day
I would be surprised if some site userscript didn't already include a link (as you sort of alluded to)
 
@rene my laptop does, and as long as I have internet that works :P
 
@Adriaan no personal cluster? Too bad ...
 
@rene I live on 24m², sharing that with ~50m² worth of servers is ... interesting to say the least
 
8:33 PM
@Adriaan Yep, when I once (long ago) told my gf I would buy a Cray if I could convince the down stairs neighbors to accept the cooling engines in their spare room...
 
9:39 PM
Shame seeing someone with 10k+ rep answering an obviously duplicate question :/
 
@GrumpyCrouton Happens all the time, unfortunately
 
sigh I know, it is rather unfortunate
 
what's also unfortunate is that FedEx is late in delivering the mid-tower computer case I ordered -_-
 
That's rediculous!
 
I'm getting newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352069 to house what will start out as a home gaming server
 
9:43 PM
Seems like a pretty nice case, though I've never been a big fan of the mesh fronts
 
@GrumpyCrouton I like them as they provide good air flow
But if you have water cooling then it's not needed of course (and probably better to not have it to prevent extra dust intake)
 
This is the case I have for my home PC
No water cooling, but never had an issue with overheating in this case
 
@GrumpyCrouton whoa that's nice
 
Yeah, it has the mesh but it's covered. And the stock fans are also really quiet
 
9:48 PM
@GrumpyCrouton that has no business claiming to be a mid tower, that's a full tower thru and thru
 
@TylerH I agree actually, kind of surprised it's labelled a mid tower. It's big, and heavy
 
This is my current workstation case - newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352048 The Fractal Design Define R5
I'm kinda bummed because the Define R6 came out like a month after I bought the R5
with all the panels on and the front door closed it's dead silent
of course, that's no good for air flow...
 
@TylerH I like the bays, when I picked out my case I was specifically looking for something less "boxy"
This is my wifes case that she picked out: newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133332
 
oh boy
I was interested in the Level 10 case from Thermaltake (like this, but black newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133192) when it was announced
way too expensive though
Now they have a Level 20 because 10 wasn't enough newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133383
 
Ah yeah, I remember looking at a case like that and deciding against it for some reason
 
9:56 PM
just optimize your code you won't need cooling
 
I like the level 20 one more
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre boom, roasted
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I'm mainly a PHP web-developer so I don't think optimizing my code would help much :P
Unless I'm optimizing the code of the browser/OS I'm working on I guess...
 
ouch okay bring the bacon & eggs to use all that heat then
 
That's a great idea. Who needs thermal paste when you have egg whites?
 
9:59 PM
exactly: bacon & eggs cooling.
 
I gave up on building PCs because it's a nightmare working out which part has failed if and when the machine breaks down
 
I think you are onto something here
@StephenKennedy Definitely... When I built my wifes, I gave her some of my old parts and bought some new ones for myself, once I put it all together I couldn't for the life of me figure out what was wrong because it wasn't working
Ended up pulling out parts one at a time and nothing fixed it, turned out to be the motherboard
 
Computers are stupid anyway. My Spotify player can't see the amp it was happily talking to yesterday nor can it see chromecast. So, coding in silence it is :/ le sigh
 
@StephenKennedy then try opening a laptop. Nightmare, as there's always a hidden screw somewhere and the damn thing won't open. Once you pry it open, the hard drive usually falls on the floor along with the DVD cable that breaks under DVD weight.
Almost killed this laptop wanting to upgrade the memory. Well obviously it survived :)
but my DVD isn't working that well now
 
10:29 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I took my new laptop apart to put a second SSD in (cheaper than speccing a bigger drive from Lenovo) but yeah it was tricky
 
10:42 PM
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Q: Should the [triggers] tag exist?

ScootsI recently came across the triggers tag while reviewing suggested edits. Somebody wanted to add database-triggers to a question. Thinking I'd spotted something that should probably be setup as a tag synonym, I had a closer look, and triggers seems to be horribly ambiguous. From the just first p...

 
5 year old vandalism
 
visits Charcoal and sees a wall of blue so shows himself out
 
Happens to me usually
Which is why I don't join the mod rooms...
First day at the police academy, "Shit dude, why are there so many police officers around, did we do something wrong?"
 
Looks like Cody is taking issue with MetaSmoke
Normally I just see 50% SD reports
 
11:23 PM
Good to know that other mods are interested in Smokey.
We do need automation to make our lives easier.
 
Interest ≠ like
Hmm, looks like they're all piling on Cody which is making him get confused.
 
Not really. I'm on the "yeah, the flag is confusing" side.
 
Ah
There's loads of messages to read ... so I'm moving on with life ...
When going gets tough, the tough start leaving.
Hmm
Now that I think of it
We shouldn't be discussing stuff related to other rooms in here.
It somewhat is like talkin about other behind their backs
and that is not good
Sorry that I did it ... but hey, learned a new thing, can improve
 
I'm not trying to stir pots here. And it's not like chat logs are terribly secret
 
11:39 PM
There's also the point that this room doesn't moderate the other :P
 
True, but discussing about someone/something in a different place, without that someone knowing is not decent behavior.
Perhaps decent is a strong word.
But I guess you guys get it.
 
Don't worry, I can turn you in if the need be :P
 
Noooo
Don't want to be booted from the room, the very second day
 
@BhargavRao Fair enough. Is a worthwhile point. We don't want that kind of reputation either
 
We're lucky that rene isn't here
Else we'd all have got zapped
 
11:47 PM
I do miss when Cody hung out in here just after becoming mod. Didn't always see eye-to-eye but I think we all learned from each other
 
Yeah, Cody is a nice guy to talk to.
Has a lot of knowledge about stuff...
and he's a heavy meta fan.
 
@BhargavRao Yep. He shreds heavy meta like it's going out of style
 
> Guess who's back, back again
> Cody's back, tell a friend
We need to bring back the SOCVR Poetry competitions
 

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