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12:30 AM
@dippas This question is not a duplicate of the proposed dup-target. While the title of the proposed dup-target makes it sound like they might be duplicates, both questions are debugging questions with significantly different issues. [The proposed dup-target is actually a dup of one of the JavaScript/jQuery canonicals, but this current question has a different issue.]
 
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While I don't think this is the greatest of answers (10k+), to me it still looks like a valid answer. Comments if this should be pls'd? Edit: This may work for <10k (Maybe?)
 
 
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4:12 AM
@gunr2171 Next time, it's happening...
 
?
 
ah, let's start the hype train
 
And I'll surely pass Infinite Recursion by Christmas though I doubt I'll be reviewing regularly
 
 
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Morning!
 
afternoon :) \o
 
0/
 
o/ morning
 
9:37 AM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Looks like I ninja'd you :3
 
@πάνταῥεῖ don't hesitate to ping an RO if you spot a double request
 
Will do next time.
 
10:12 AM
what did you do to me ? :)
 
@πάντα ῥεῖ actually not a duplicate. The issue is that only newer CMake version can find 1.66 and above find find_package.
Can you reopen please?
 
@MatthieuBrucher Done. And remember no one boxes here please.
 
Boxes?
(thx)
 
@MatthieuBrucher This is called a one-box.
 
10:18 AM
Oh... OK, I see, sorry, I shouldn't have put just the address of the question.
Thanks for the info, won't do it again!
 
Thanks.
 
@MatthieuBrucher You can prefix it with a > for example, so it won't expand. Same for any other link addresses.
 
Oh indeed. It all makes sense.
Thanks a lot for the reopened and also for educating me on the etiquette here!
 
@MatthieuBrucher BTW, you can also cast reopen votes at a Q and [tag:reopen-pls] requests here.
 
10:28 AM
@πάντα ῥεῖ noted as well. Thanks!
*pyd autocorrect
 
@Matthieu Wow, you managed to ping me with a shortcut of my nick. That rarely happens :D
 
@πάντα ῥεῖ it's rather a long process, clicking on your name, copy/paste...
 
So you don't have a π on your keyboard? :3
 
No, none of the letters of your nickname. Just copy/paste.
(and I don't know their unicode values either)
 
At the right side of each message here there's a direct reply option.
And I know of course that those letters would rarely appear at any keyboards. It's intentional ;)
 
10:38 AM
Oh I see
And I assumed the characters were on purpose indeed ;)
 
 
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12:00 PM
Plop everyone
 
plopperdeplop
 
jww
12:51 PM
Hi Everyone... OT question... I want to get access to a MIPS64 machine with MSA. MSA is like SSE2 or NEON (its the SIMD gear). Does anyone know where I can get access to a MIPS64 machine with MSA?
 
 
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@MadhurBhaiya Here
"As the number of columns is increasing every day" I think he mean rows instead
cause columns not increasing every day
 
@Sami busy here ; let me check the other in a bit
 
2:35 PM
@Sami maybe columns; seems like he is having a pivot table (badly denormalized one)
 
2:51 PM
cannot reproduce: tried to debug the pyd file by launching it instead of running Python.
 
@MatthieuBrucher you didn't post a link
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre The post was deleted, I think then my request was removed (I added the comment to explain he reproduce issue).
 
3:49 PM
@Swordfish This appears to be a cv-pls request, but you did not include the [tag:cv-pls] tag. You've done so before, so I assume this was just a mistake, but the basic format for requests is [tag:cv-pls] close reason https://stackoverflow.com/q/12345. For more detail, please see: How and why do I need to format my cv-pls (and other requests)?
 
4:00 PM
@Makyen Yes, I just forgot. Don't do that often. I'll try to remember.
@Makyen Sowwy! :/
 
 
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5:30 PM
o/
 
 
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6:33 PM
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Again the same C question?
 
@MatthieuBrucher If this was cv-pls'es before, just say it. Or do you mean the other from tha last days? Yeah, there must be a nest.
 
The @toohonestforthissite It's the nest... Probably a homework for a whole class.
 
6:56 PM
@MatthieuBrucher That would either be quite a very large class or a lot <---censored to be welcoming---> people in the class. I've seen 5-10 such questions the last week.
 
And unfortunately lots of people answering these questions :/
 
@MatthieuBrucher I think I mentioned that, too ;-) But how else do they get their reps, from their answers I don't expect much for language lawyer questions.
 
@toohonestforthissite yep you did!
hahaha
 
@MadhurBhaiya What to do with the "answer" to this question? It's not an answer, but still an effort to be helpful. One of those edge cases...
 
Looks fine to me, as it cannot be posted in comments.
^^ out of close votes :(
 
7:13 PM
@MadhurBhaiya I see that, but the rules on SO are pretty strict. I'll keep the tab open and see what happens.
 
@GertArnold question has closed now.
 
@toohonestforthissite welcome back. πάνταῥεῖ was trying to fill in, but that was too much work.
 
@MadhurBhaiya Tnx, I'll flag as not an answer.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Thanks. Don't get used to it too much, though, I can only cime in during the weekend. Seems things have not changed to the better anyway (why did I expect?)
 
 
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@Zoe the question is definitely a troll..
 
Zoe
yeah, but still. I'd VTC, but I ran out of votes about 6 (?) hours ago
 
@MadhurBhaiya Are you sure? Maybe it's an actor design pattern programming framework with undefined behaviour?
 
@MadhurBhaiya You are the only zombie now :)
Good night all 0/
 
8:58 PM
Gn :P
 
@Sami: FWIW: I saw the YT film you linked me. Just couldn't answer because of of my forceful timeout. Great work, indeed youtube.com/watch?v=6n_xCI-peq0
 
@MikeM. Would be interesting to know what makes people ask questions like that on Stack Overflow.
 
@toohonestforthissite week-end is enough. We could stay all week here but who would feed the cat?
 
@GertArnold I don't think they are made to ask. It just comes into mind and they use the first google match, I think.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Don't you think compass can get their own food? :-)
 
he can surely eat on brain-dead users.
 
9:12 PM
Anyway, I'm currently on an Odyssey.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Nah, we don't want that. They could be infective.
 
@toohonestforthissite Maybe, but it's a question that took some effort so I think they sincerely expected to get help. The funny thing is that when visiting Stack Overflow as a newcomer there's surprisingly litte that unequivocally states that SO is about programming. Not even this page that newcomers see when starting to ask questions. Well, I'm just a bit baffled and trying to understand the mind processes going on there, if any :)
 
@GertArnold They're a relatively low-experience user here, judging from there profile, so possibly they just have a misunderstanding of what we cover on this site. Or maybe they got lost on their way to android.stackexchange.com. Dunno, but we get several general support questions every week in [android].
 
@GertArnold Yes, I always wonder why there is no brief version of How to Ask on the tour page or a link placed prominently. Regarding effort: I've noticed expecially people without basic knowledge add a bunch of information - most of them useless -, just to let the "experts" sort out what might be useful. It's like the ol' grandma going to money exchange and taking her birth certificate and other family paper with her - just in case.
 
@MikeM. Lucky to be in C# then. All high-quality stuff there :)
 
@MikeM. I don't think android SE is happy doing What's Up support.
@GertArnold cough
 
9:24 PM
@toohonestforthissite Agreed. Although this grandma took the effort to find out how to post screenshots decently. I'd nearly give a vote just for that :)
 
@toohonestforthissite o/ hi welcome back again :3
 
@πάνταῥεῖ And once more: thanks.
 
Well, I was afk a few hours. Had to play theatre
 
@GertArnold Oh, I'm sure that's true. :-) We get some of those top-notch questions in our tag, too, what with Xamarin, and all.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Well, my focus is more at :P while @too usually works rather at
 
9:32 PM
@toohonestforthissite Meh, they're slow over there. They should be happy with whatever attention they get. :-)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I very well noticed that the C tag was quite abandoned from moderation. Tsk, tsk. Anyway, I don't intend to do the daily GC for that tag anymore. Not worth the time.
 
^^ out of CV : duplicate question source: stackoverflow.com/q/2803321/2469308 | question to mark dupe: stackoverflow.com/q/53462553/2469308
 
@too Maybe you would be interested to participate here: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/85306/…
@toohonestforthissite Well, @AnttiHaapala isn't that active anymore it seems
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Erm, I don't think I should do code review stuff. I have a strong stomache, but reviewing other people's code is too much and I had more than a fair share of this.
 
You can still participate in moderation of the wrongly placed VLQ questions there.
The rules to distinguish valid questions from valid questions for SO (or even no SE site at all) are pretty simple.
You just need a wooden pole and a hammer, if you know what I mean :3
 
9:44 PM
@toohonestforthissite "I very well noticed that the C tag was quite abandoned from moderation". No, I closed a lot of dupes those last weeks. And got stuff deleted from here.
Give me dupes so I can hammer them :)
Give me -1 answers to I can VTdelete them.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Well, for ex. I am looking at a filtered newest Q home page. It's rare that clear dupes come along there.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ That would not even be necessary if there were not that many salat ingrediences which are also often found on English sandwiches - if you mean what I know
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Hmm, well, I didn't look all day, but I did noticed it took a significant time to get clear rubbish closed the days I did. Take a guess how my fingernails look like ;-)
But then it's hard to judge being almost blinded.
 
10:00 PM
I well know what you're referring to, yes. Don't let's start with these categorizations of vegetable and help vampires again. You should have learned it doesn't lead to any good path here.
 
"help vampire" is still allowed
 
Their supporters preferred terms aren't.
 
@toohonestforthissite I use to store closed dupes in a list. 2 days later, I use to request for deletion here. works pretty well with our friend πάνταῥεῖ helps me to delete. That makes 2 votes. Someone always gives a hand for the 3rd one. that could be you :)
 
We could probably find some new term like Igor or even better Vlad :3
 
oh Vlad is currently suspended as I saw. Well it happens to the best of us :)
 
10:04 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I am ever on for delv requests. Have many of them left per day usually :)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Wut?? Iirc it was "communicated" the term was not comewelling even before the wheprore term was put on the censor's list.
 
@toohonestforthissite if you have a link...
@πάνταῥεῖ I use to spend some on VLQ, but still have some left. If not, it'll wait for the next day.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre That's why I proposed that term. I was crossover with their behavior from the 1st day we met, and that's really years ago.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Well, after my piggy died in erly Summer, I somewhat don't care much about the ossi-bananas anyway. I turned to tomatoes now; much tastier on bread and good for pasta - basta.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre BTW: the alpha version of the request generator allows you to schedule a revisit to a post in 11 days, 2 days, or in an arbitrary number of days/hours/minutes. The post is opened in a new tab the first time you load a SE question or review page after the date/time you set.
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10:07 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Hmm, there were no links in antique greece, so, no. Actually I'm not even sure there was a meta about that. Nor about the other subject we-don't-talk-about-anymore or most other fordidden words.
 
@Makyen bye bye list then. you said you'd end up doing that :)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Maybe he finally found a job?
@πάνταῥεῖ That makes two …
 
Can we agree that VLQ and off-topic questions shouldn't be answered but rather closed and deleted?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ everyone agrees. Where they disagree is on the definition of VLQ & off-topic.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Did we ever disagree?
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Certain users answering might be a good indicator.
 
10:11 PM
@toohonestforthissite I agree that some users enjoy answering dupes when they could hammer them instead...
but we're here to make them waste their time & delete those.
 
That's probably a question of tags. At the tag realm, I have a quite low borderline what should count as a simple typo / cannot reproduce CV.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Lol. By wasting our time. I don't think we can win this battle. There's always more <censored> than reasonable people.
 
@toohonestforthissite No, we didn't.
@toohonestforthissite At least not at these seasons.
 
we can win some battles.
 
We can invite some more promising users (like I did with @MatthieuBrucher here recently). But I'd not like to decay a s recruitment bureau finally.
 
10:19 PM
The issue isn't the use of the term "cucumber" in general discussion. It's that the term gets applied to specific users (either explicitly or implicitly) with a derogatory meaning. The term "cucumber", and all derogatory statements about users, or their behavior, are banned from request reasons. Requests are about content, not users. Using "cucumber" in general discussion is not banned, as long as it's not used in reference to specific users (either explicitly or implicitly).
 
There's no Armageddon to happen for SO tag realms, since these are mostly lively languages, and evolve over time.
@toohonestforthissite Not that much esoteric stuff is needed to manage here IMO (nice song tho)
@Makyen Was already discussed ad nauseam, no?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Yes, but in the preceding comments indicated that there was a belief that the term was banned from general conversation, but that's not the case.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Might be true for the C++ tag (at least the language is evolving and surprisingly many users follow the road). But for the C tag, just have a look how many long time users who definitiverly know it better refuse to use even C99 features. I recently had one who even aviods line-comments in C (he uses them in C++!) because it would not work in ancient compilers (every reasonable compiler supports them even in C90 mode!). So, what do you do with such advice given to beginners?
Recently I had a short peek at the C2x proposals. Except for explicitly typed enums (yay!), there is nothing done to the language core. Opposite: they insist on backwards compatibility. Funny enough: C11 made VLAs optional, clearly breaking the holy grail.
 
@Makyen the Python room has a salad word "green bean" that means newbie... It's only used in context of "that seems a bit green bean"... never, ever, "User XYZ is such a green bean"... I think the term "cucumber" here is similar to that? (in terms of meant usage - not its meaning itself)
 
10:30 PM
I lost faith in C making any advances. Personally, I use the gcc extensions I find reasonable and enhance code quality.
@Makyen I was beaten for using the term "cucumbering" (verb) and similar in the sense of "answering a bad question which should be closed. This is mostly done by users who know better and have the rep to CV. It was not directed to a specific user, but the action of answering per se, though.
 
@JonClements It is. The problem arose that the term started to be used to describe specific users in a derogatory manner. As long as people stay away from making it about specific users, it's OK to use "cucumber".
 
Well, regarding we still have to deal with questions explicitly tagged occasionally. What should we tell there really? That their teachers are incompetent assholes, or that questions about a compiler serving standards from the last century are probably moot?
 
@Makyen indeed... we're on the same channel then :)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Yes, I know. I think TC++ questions resulting from incompatibilities with C++98 (first C++ standard version) should be closed as "no repro", because they can be solved using any (that time) modern 20 year old C++ compiler.
 
@toohonestforthissite I understand that you took it that way. While I'm not remembering the conversation exactly, I do recall that I felt there was some miscommunication as to the nuances in the discussion. IIRC, I tried to step in at the time (or at least the time that I'm remembering, there may have been others) to clear up that the issue was the term's use to describe specific users (even implicitly; e.g. "that question has a lot of cucumbers").
 
10:38 PM
TC is even more special, as you really have to struggle to get a legal copy of that sh** and make it run on a modern PC.
 
Wow... TC - I haven't seen that since late 90s!
(I thought most people even around then were moving to Borland's other compiler and either Watcom's or MS's)
 
@Makyen Well, I don't see any use in cooking that discussion again. Whatever the "misscommunication" was, I had to notice it is more relevant to get content than quality. Please notice this is not directed to you or specific users in thsi room, but a summary I got from the site's official presentation. Unfortunately, it's not just the site, but an overal development which makes "choosing words not to hurt snowflakes' feelings" more important than contents.
As ESL, I just didn't grew up in that culture, so I don't know the right phrases to attack someone without saying a single not nice word (which I had to experience here, too. OTOH, unfortunately(?!), I know the language well enough to notice when I'm dissed. All this makes me feel more and more I'm not welcome on this site. Again: that's not about this room. Actually it is the reason why I'm still/again here.
@JonClements I wish I could say the same. Actually I didn'Ät until I started on SO some years ago. If it's me, burry it deep in concrete with a nuke if someone tries to dig it again.
 
@toohonestforthissite anyway good to see you back - I know you have a lot to contribute - past is past, we're all moving forward, right?
 
10:54 PM
@toohonestforthissite I agree there are some real issues there.
Wrt. the site in general, personally I feel both that there was more snark/derogatory comments then there should be, but also that the pendulum in enforcement swung too far in the other direction, where even just frank statements of the problems with a post can be considered inappropriate or hurtful. I expect that that, like most things, the enforcement of that has been/will swing somewhat back towards the center as people become accustom to the issues.
 
@JonClements Well, without revieving the past we can't learn from it. Nevermind;-)
 
@toohonestforthissite talking about the past... wow... just en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_C%2B%2B#/media/…;. reminds me somewhat of using WP 5.1 :)
the old days when it only took a floppy to install an office product (as in one related to office work - not MS Office)... sighs
 
Let's look forward and do it better :3
 
@Makyen From what I saw the last years not only on SO, but in general, I'm not that optimistic. This is a cultural issue. In my culture, sarcasm, irony and - yes - snark are very common and most of us learned how to handle it. From my personal experience, I can tell a light punch on the nose (not literally) for asking stupid questions or at the wrong time/place made me remember the situation best. And no, I don't think I got permanent psychlogical damage;-). I learned to think for myself first
 
@Machavity I'm well aware of what its meaning is thanks :)
 
11:05 PM
@JonClements Arh, that … blue … must … not look … at … that … blue screen …
@JonClements Do tell. I recently found my Atari-ST harddrive copy. 20M(!)B were far enough to develop a whole game. These days I think it would not even be sufficient for a single texture.
@πάνταῥεῖ Said the man living in a bundesland moving (marching?!) forward into the past. :-]
 
Yeah... the days when you could install Windows 3.1 off 3 floppies or something... and still have a fairly operational machine with 16mb ram or something
I still remember playing with en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeOS - never took off though
 
@toohonestforthissite I agree that it's cultural. I really don't know where it will go. If the culture has swung as far as it's going to go in that direction, or if it's going to go further as those that were brought up that way raise their own children. I agree that there are significant disadvantages to the extremes if the snowflake mentality. As with many things, a middle ground usually seems more effective to me.
 
@JonClements No, thanks. I wouldn't have touched Win3.x not even if it came pre-installed in ROM. I had to work with it occasinally in a job, but at home, I was happy with my ST. The poblems of the PC folks working around the 640KiB limt (which very well also was relevant for Windows) were always funny to see when I was woring with my 2.5MiB flat memory (self-soldered of course).
 
@toohonestforthissite base ram, extended vs expanded memory in DOS I remember, and having different boot disks for certain things :)
 
@Makyen Well, from the culture here I see two possible ways: a) folks going back to marching and growling "we are the best, f* …" and prefering süterlin letters again (not that many of them can read them (or any sentence with more than 5 words), but they look so German …) or b) Westcoast style precious snowflakes - "shush, no harsh words or sneezing" youtube.com/watch?v=2FVMeL153p0
@JonClements Remember that RAM expander with compression? It wa the German ct magazine which unveiled it was just expensive fraud.
 
11:21 PM
I don't remember that one... I remember a product called diskspace or drivespace or something?
but it was along the same lines of stuff like "double your disk space and memory!"
 
I had to deal with this at work. The best jokes are the ones you understand how ridiculous they are.
@JonClements . en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoftRAM see the "FTC investigation" part. Actually, the ct was first charged for malicious statements and the company won at the german court. They then did further investigation which lead to the FTC action.
 
omg... I'd forgotten that existed... 100k copies sold!? lmao...
at least the disk compression software at the time was pretty much genuine... but anyone who believed that software could double their ram or similar... well... I'm not overly sympathetic to that one...
 
@JonClements Well, they got good critiques at first. Sad enough, the ct is also far from that investigative as they were back then. Tempora mutantur, etc.
We all have grown fat and sluggish
 
@toohonestforthissite I'm small agile ninja puppy... speak for yourself :)... but I know what you mean...
 
11:44 PM
@JonClements You know I'm an bare-metal embedded dev, prefering C over C++ even, do you? ;-) But still, I just read the datasheet of an MCU (single chip) with 1MiB RAM and enough Flash for a nice, small OS and tons of peripherals like Ethernet, LCD, etc. And then I have to remember the ST aminboard which was larger than my current (large) desktop keyboard) and less than 1/400th of the processing power of that 4€ MCU ...
I wish I had time to work with that thing like I did with my ST. But who has years to write software for a single chip these days?
@JonClements Actually, IIRC, IBM used (uses?) a compression technique for their PPC systems. Idk the compression ratio, but afaik it worked not that bad. Of course it was/is a hardware approach, but it could be done in software, too. Just not without significant performance issues as they claimed.
Anyway, good night.
 
Same way you can do software STRIPE/RAID'ing, but it's better if you've got a hardware disk controller to do it...
@toohonestforthissite I'm off to bed too - sleep well.
 

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