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12:02 AM
 
 
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3:12 AM
@SotiriosDelimanolis You've linked to an answer in this request, but your reason implies that you wanted to link to a question. Does this request have the correct link?
 
3:24 AM
I'm a little confused about why people are putting stuff in the queue that'll Roomba anyway (or that you can make Roomba just by downvoting) - seems like a waste of votes.
This one, for example - it'll already Roomba even if it's not closed.
 
 
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4:54 AM
@EJoshuaS I'd say largely because people don't really think about if the post will Roomba, or not, or understand that the disposition of the post will be effectively the same. Personally, I wouldn't have down-voted that, or voted to close, after the first person down-voted it. Tossing on additional down-votes and/or close-votes is really a waste of votes that could be used on other questions. From my point of view, for posts that old, it really doesn't matter which way it gets deleted.
Obviously, a post should not be down-voted, just to cause it to Roomba. But, in most cases, if a person is going to vote-to-close, they probably feel that it could use a down-vote too. I really don't see a reason to not just use only one or the other of those two votes (on old questions). For new questions, the two votes send two somewhat different messages. In that case, it's appropriate to use either or both in combination, or separately, as fits the circumstance.
 
5:13 AM
@Makyen Yep - I don't agree with downvoting just to make something Roomba, but if something deserves to be downvoted anyway and downvoting will make it Roomba, there's really very little point in casting any more votes on it.
 
 
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6:16 AM
^ oops nvm, please ignore
 
6:45 AM
Code/SQL query only answers can be flagged as VLQ, right ? For eg this: stackoverflow.com/a/53166595/2469308
 
@MadhurBhaiya They do get flagged by many, but they get declined if a mod sees it - they may get deleted if the queue catches it though.
There was a discussion many months ago about this with a SO mod in SOBotics
 
Even OP is asking for explanation in comments.
 
A bad answer is still an answer is basically the summary of the conversation
 
@tripleee Does that mean you want the cv-pls removed?
 
@Makyen yes please
 
6:56 AM
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, per request
 
8:45 AM
Hm, is the cv-request script broken?
 
8:58 AM
@Cerbrus why? it worked for me like 10 minutes ago ^^^
 
@Cerbrus works for me
 
It didn't show up for me just now
I'll see on a different question
 
^ works for me, userscript generator 1.6.1
oh I see that too, it sometimes doesn't include the "include cv-pls" checkbox in the dialog
 
1.6.1 here too... odd
I don't have the cv-plz link either
I know it doesn't work if you edit the post, then you have to reload the page
 
dunno under what circumstances but I just manually click the cv-pls link after flagging when I get that
 
9:03 AM
but that doesn't fix it either, now
Something went fucky: i.stack.imgur.com/M4tB7.png
I also get that error if that's the only userscript I have running
 
user4639281
The joys of old code.
 
user4639281
I'm currently in the process of making it much easier to manage, debug, and maintain by heavily utilizing events and promises.
 
9:24 AM
@TinyGiant So, basically, rewriting it from the ground up :P
 
 
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10:41 AM
Morning all \o
 
o/
 
11:04 AM
Plop
 
12:02 PM
Can't see it on mobile, just a sec
Still no review...
 
@AndrasDeak It's gone anyway now, don't worry
 
Ah OK, thanks
 
Was someone proposing a translation edit, which should be rejected
 
Yup, I figured
 
12:23 PM
actually should probably be closed as General Computing ^
 
12:37 PM
meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/376288/… Regulars here seem to be involved in deletion.. FYI
 
12:52 PM
@SurajRao First one was a poor question and deserved to be deleted, second I can't comment on because I don't know how useful it would be as a signpost
 
1:22 PM
Morning. Voting accomplished
 
@NathanOliver Lucky you. Polling place was nuts first thing. Should be dead midday
 
When I got there, there were 3 people voting. By the time I signed in and got my ballot I was the only one voting.
 
@MichaelDodd post has been deleted; can't review anymore (although it still says edit(1))
 
Also, I'm suspicious of this answer as self-promotion but don't want to click the link. Can anyone verify?
 
@MichaelDodd Literal copy of the just-deleted version you requested a review on. I modflagged for plagiarism.
 
1:37 PM
And was that user also suggesting the vandalising edit?
 
Yes, same user that suggested the edit
 
Right then, that makes it even worse. Definitely modflagging.
@tripleee Reason for reporting that? Just to blacklist the user?
 
If someone kindly accept this edit review I would appreciate it : stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/21339099
 
I think spam is adequate, shady upload site, rar file
 
@IslamElshobokshy We can't as it's a conflict of interest, as you're the one suggesting the edit - please read socvr.org
 
1:40 PM
@MichaelDodd that's not the one I reported, if you mean reported as spam to SD
 
@tripleee I was referring to the copied answer I brought up a moment ago, not that request
 
@MichaelDodd you could verify the validity of the review before accepting it ;) But no problem I'll wait for it to be validated by someone random.
 
@MichaelDodd as discussed above, the answer was plagiarized and the link was apparently promotional
 
@tripleee Right, I don't have access to the original anymore, so I wasn't sure if it quite met the threshold for spam
 
@IslamElshobokshy posting a separate answer seems like the correct solution here, not editing the accepted answer to update it, though both solutions are somewhat problematic
 
1:43 PM
@MichaelDodd it's fishy enough for me to flag as spam
 
@Machavity I've got a modflag open so I can't add a spam flag to it for now
 
@tripleee I disagree about posting a new answer, as it's better to have one up to date answer than two answers for each version...
 
@IslamElshobokshy Either way looks like it's been rejected
 
@IslamElshobokshy the sole difference is the argument order? Because in that case you can just leave a comment that for the later version the arguments need to be reversed in order.
 
@IslamElshobokshy Not really. In fact, good luck trying to ever get an edit like that approved. Most of us have hit that button in the past, only to be caught by an audit
 
1:46 PM
@Machavity mhmm what's the problem of this edit?
 
@tripleee it's absolutely not a different answer tho :)
 
@IslamElshobokshy You're fundamentally changing the answer. Even if you're not, you're assuming reviewers know enough about the question to make that judgment call
 
1:47 PM
@Machavity no problem I'll post a new answer
 
@IslamElshobokshy I'd argue against that; there are already comments on the answer pointing out exactly that (the argument order)
 
@Adriaan no harm in posting an answer with that information; ideally it will start collecting upvotes and alert people to the difference between versions
 
@tripleee mhm, true. I'd make it CW myself then, with reference to those comments, since I wouldn't be providing new information (just aggregating from comments)
 
@Adriaan CW?
 
2:03 PM
@IslamElshobokshy Community Wiki
 
Community Wiki; it's a small checkbox below the answer when you're writing it. Relinquishes ownership and makes you not get any reputation for it, and enables everyone with >250 rep to freely edit it
 
Undelete votes don't age away? I just found a post with undel votes from back in 2015
 
AFAIK, only close votes age away
 
@Adriaan Only CVs age away. not sure on reopens. Delete and Undelete do not
 
Do reopen votes age away?
 
^Quora level
 
2:59 PM
Any Java peeps around?
 
@NathanOliver I prefer Sumatra coffee
 
Java SC?
 
@NathanOliver Hit me up
 
!!/coffee
 
@Shree brews a cup of Espresso for @Shree
 
3:03 PM
Is something like ArrayList x = new ArrayList(); x.add(1); x.add("2"); valid and the list will have an Integer and a String?
 
part of me says no as the 1 will be interpreted as a primitive integer not an Integer object, will double-check though
Plus not specifying what your ArrayList will hold is a code smell
And it'll hold two Objects
 
Zoe
@NathanOliver yeah, that's valid
 
@MichaelDodd OK. I ask as a person wants to implement this behavior in C++ and I'm not sure they could even do it in Java. I thought ArrayList had to be homogeneous.
 
Zoe
Raw types end up acting differently though
 
Does this work because everything derives from Object?
 
3:07 PM
@NathanOliver JavaScript will do that without issue :P
 
:)
I know jQuery can do it, just questioning if Java can ;)
 
I'm too used to weakly typed stuff. The idea that an array can't hold a string and an integer in different values is weird
 
Zoe
@NathanOliver Yeah. Just remember, if you do that, you need to manually check the types, because there's no guarantee list.get(i) will result in a specific type. It's still slightly easier using Object or a wildcard over raw types though. And raw types result in warnings, where as any definition (including wildcards) don't
 
OK. Thanks for the info.
 
Yep, just verified, it does work but with "Unchecked call" warnings on x.add()
 
Zoe
3:10 PM
^
If you don't use instanceof before you cast, there's also warnings on that
 
3:30 PM
@NathanOliver In Soviet Russia, questions close you
 
Good thing they switched to "democracy"
 
Top Marx to those that closed the question, Stack Overflow is a good Lenin resource, we need to be Putin an end to poor quality questions for the good of the people
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Though I appear to be Stalin in my efforts to think of more Russia-related puns
 
^ @gunr2171
 
Mao of this and my head will blow up?
 
3:38 PM
@NathanOliver In a meeting?
 
@PaulStenne No need to be the bull squirrel in the China shop
 
IDK: I get a 503
 
@PaulStenne Here, have a Tzar
 
@NathanOliver It's cached
 
3:40 PM
(also, if you haven't already, watch The Death Of Stalin, fantastic farcical comedy)
@IslamElshobokshy If you're making closure requests, please prepend them with [tag:cv-pls]
 
sure sorry, new to chat
so, tag of the question? and what's a cv-pls ?
 
@NathanOliver fixed
 
Instead of posting: stackoverflow.com/questions/… not a programming question post it as [tag:cv-pls] not a programming question stackoverflow.com/questions/…
 
somehow it died 44 hours ago, not sure why
 
@IslamElshobokshy Please take a look at the SOCVR FAQ before posting requests
 
3:44 PM
oh wait, we did server upgrades and that didn't get turned back on I guess
 
okay thanks
 
@gunr2171 I think you and Linden need to have a meeting about what needs to be checked after your routine server maintenance. We can't afford to have such a valuable service dead for 44 hours. We need some testing and automatic tweets when services go down.
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well we did add restart policies to the containers on nagato so they will start back up automatically on reboot. Just need to do the same for aurora, which that website runs on
 
4:07 PM
@TobySpeight New answer is undisclosed self-promotion
 
4:49 PM
I installed Monster Hunter World last night and played for a little bit. So far my conclusion is that the game's UX and UI are horrible and this must be Capcom's first RPG or first game in like 30 years. Pretty disappointing for all the hype it has received.
 
My buddy liked it. The crafting and building trees he showed me were insane.
 
I haven't written it off yet, and have learned today that there are mods to fix some pretty low-level stuff so I'm hopeful for some UI mods
The game concept is great and it's quite pretty to look at
But it was just not executed well at all for PC... maybe it's more manageable on console (or they're just used to this kind of crappy interface)
Also the character control isn't very responsive; it feels like each key press triggers a fixed-length movement animation rather than "move forward for the duration of the key press" like it should be
 
5:07 PM
You're last point my buddy also complained about. You'll get into a combo and can't move until it finishes. That can lead to being attacked because you can't move.
 
6:22 PM
Does anyone know if there is a reason out there why people get to up vote at 15 rep but need 125 to down vote? It seems weird we would trust them with being able to judge what is good without trusting them to be able to judge what is bad
 
@NathanOliver I believe there's a regular dupe for that question used at MSO.
 
@NathanOliver Downvotes cost rep
 
@Machavity For answers only.
@Nathan "It seems weird we would trust them with being able to judge what is good without trusting them to be able to judge what is bad" That's a bit weird, yes.
 
:44493134 This can be removed. Still not convinced that this is a coding issue at hand but at least he's added some code and it's up in the air at this point what the problem could be.
 
Thanks
Looks like the answer is we would rather have socks then trolls. I get that. Socks are comfy. Trolls are... well we all know what they are.
 
@NathanOliver nice and cudly? At least the Icelandic ones are
 
Winter socks can even be used in place of mittens ;)
 
@NathanOliver glittery?
 
6:41 PM
@Machavity Sure, we can use that adjective here
 
6:55 PM
<-- too broad
 
too bored?
 
yes
 
8:11 PM
Is this enough NAA (looks like a comment) to have the expected outcome in review?
 
@rene Tough. It looks answerish. That would be one I hit skip on
 
hmm, thought so. Thanks
@Masoud it that a low traffic tag? we normally don't allow cv-pls-es on questions that saw no activity recently
 
@rene Not sure, I flagged as NAA though
 
ok
Hey, volatie memory is a thing. And if not, I just invented it ...
 
@rene Did you have a crash?
 
8:25 PM
nope, an edit
 
volatile ram is fun. Drop it in water and watch it explode. Oh, wait.. that's sodium. Don't drop the ram in water, the water will balance out the pH and make it normal ram ;)
 
@rene I am not sure what are the exact specification of low traffic tags, but has slightly above 2000 questions with couple views per hour for the first 12 hours and then almost nothing. I guess it is low traffic. If it is not, pardon my ignorance.
 
fine with me, maybe indicate next time in the cv-pls reason low traffic tag
 
@NathanOliver I prefer dropping potassium rather than sodium in water
little bit more manageable
 
@TylerH That works too. I remember we had to be reallyyyyyyyyyy careful when we did the sodium experiment
 
8:34 PM
@rene sure, most of its questions are getting closed for NO MCVE or very low quality right away and even get deleted. There are very few ones like this that I came across once in a while. I'll make a mind note about this. Cheers.
 
@NathanOliver Potassium'll give you a good 3-4 seconds between dropping a chunk in and it going poof
and a softball sized chunk is safe to observe from just like 15 feet away or so
 
8:52 PM
@Vega can't we argue it is spam?
 
@rene I think you have a decent shot at winning that argument
 
Ah... I didn't realise
 
So in a way it's saying "this website cannot be blocked, so use it"
 
The same goes for the answer?
 
yeah
 
8:58 PM
I'm not sure if it is spam or not. I am behind close voting and deleting it.
 
 
my last cv-pls (https://stackoverflow.com/questions/53178389/redirect-page-to-link-download-how-can-count-each-download-in-codegniter) is using the same code snippet which was used in this question: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/53152943/the-code-does-not-work-and-a-problem-occurs
it seems to be the same user, but with a new account. Should I mod-flag it?
 
@rene The discussion seems to start now about the CRCQR. Thanks for amunitioning me and the other (now established ROs)
 
@Vickel if you find something suspicious, yes. If it can be simple mistake, run-on of events, no.
 
9:31 PM
@rene it doesn't look suspicious except the mentioning of that "pesktop.com" domain in both of the questions, that's why I remembered
 
@Vickel hmm, it is a strange coincidence but I don't think there is enough yet to warrant a flag.
 
<- this proper fellow just got a job at der Eidgenössische Technische Hochshule. For those unfamiliar: top 10 uni in the world; no 1 in Earth Sciences
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@rene, the question, I suppose will be on hold soon, so maybe better to leave it there. Anyway I've no "throw-away computer" to click that link... but its strange!
 
9:48 PM
@Adriaan Congratulations. I'll have some Macallan 15 for you to celebrate.
 
@NathanOliver you bringin it when you come to sample the La Trappe Isid'or?
 
They won't let me fly with it :(
 
@NathanOliver not even if you check it with your luggage?
@Adriaan Congrats!
 
I never check my luggage. I just hope the strangers I left it with didn't do anything to it ;)
 
I would like to try some Macallan 18, myself
 
9:52 PM
@Adriaan Top!
 
@NathanOliver I guess you'd better buy one here in this case. Sounds like a good deal to me, a €8 6-pack vs a €50 bottle
 
@TylerH Me too. I need to find a bar or restaurant that sells it by the glass.
 
@NathanOliver I know a place in Amsterdam which does exactly that... :D
I'm off to bed, good night all!
 
@Adriaan It's only €50??? Jeez. I had to pay $120 last month for my bottle.
o/
 
@Adriaan when you awaken, tell us what your job will be!
 
9:55 PM
@NathanOliver nvm; that's the 12. The only 15 I can find is the Fine Oak version which is €190
 
That makes more sense
I was about to make you my scotch connection
 
@TylerH EM tomography of the interior of Mars; basically: try to see what the planet Mars looks like on the inside, with the aid of a few satellite missions and the InSight Mars lander which hopefully won't crash on the 26th of this month :p
@NathanOliver just do not tell @rene I have whisky, or I'll have to empty all my bottles again...
 
again ...
 
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