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00:03
@Joshua Maybe you should better link the answer you mean?
@Joshua You can make a request for people to look at it wrt. voting to undelete. The general format is: [tag:undel-pls] reason https://stackoverflow.com/q/12345. The request formats are described in the FAQ: How and why do I need to format my cv-pls (and other requests)?
01:00
@Joshua All set.
 
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03:06
Damn, it's hard some times.
04:03
Anyone have a heated discussion, obvious plagiarism, sock-puppetry, spam, offensive posts, or vandalism for me to flag today? (I'll settle for a zero-effort homework dump...)
04:17
^OP being unresponsive to comments
Out of close votes already :(
Anyone know who to see about featuring this burnination request? It's a small tag (under 200) and has a score of 104 right now.
Awhile back, Movies.SE decided that they didn't want any more identification questions (can't remember why, it's on their Meta somewhere), so they closed and historically locked most of the existing questions and blacklisted the tag. Could be kinda interesting for some tags like and , since most of those really should be on Software Engineering SE or Project Management SE.
05:07
@EJoshuaS Five hours into the day? Ouch!
05:39
@KenWhite Yeah - I never seem to have enough of them.
Lots of questions in the queue, by the way
Anyone have updates on the cleanup by the way? It seems like it's been mostly cleaned up.
@EJoshuaS Me neither, but I've never run out in 5 hours. I can't see the queue; I seem to be having issues with SO currently. I can get here, and to Meta, but I'm getting an Oops page on the main site. I've disconnected and reconnected, relaunched my browser, and no joy. Not sure what's happening...
@KenWhite I'll occasionally run out in around half an hour if there's a big tag cleanup or something and the queue is full
Sigh. Anybody else currently experiencing the "This is our fault." issue that people were reporting yesterday? I'm in Australia and yesterday was perfect. However, it just started happening here now.
@EJoshuaS No, I mean I can't see SO itself. Going to stackoverflow.com is giving me an Oops page, sometimes without any CSS being applied (a plain text message across the top of the browser tab). Curiously, I can see here, Meta SO, Meta SE, etc. just fine; just SO is down for me.
@robinCTS A bit for me
05:50
@robinCTS Yep. I'm having the same issue currently (I'm in the northeastern US). Started about half an hour ago.
Stack Overflow is completely dead for me. At least the chat works so I can come here and whinge ;)
@robinCTS Me, too. I can see everything else (SE, Meta SO, and obviously here), but SO itself is down entirely.
@KenWhite Ditto
@KenWhite Sorry, didn't see your first message. (I did skim through the most recent messages, but missed it as it was "buried" ;) )
@robinCTS @KenWhite @GrantGarrison The most recent problems I'm aware of are described in: Systematic “This is our fault.” on some links. However, I haven't personally experienced any unusual problems.
@robinCTS No problem. I'm not seeing anything on any of the status sites.
@Makyen The image in that post is what I was getting originally. What I'm getting now is just the text portion, as a single line across the top of the browser tab, no image, no formatting. I've rebooted my router and PC; no changes. The browser tab is titled http://stackoverflow.com instead of StackOverflow.
06:08
@KenWhite Hmmm... In that case, it's really unlikely that it's a problem with your machine. That sounds like issues in the network, or more likely with SE servers. The problem they were describing in the meta I linked (archive link, which may work) appeared to be affecting some geographical areas and not others.
@KenWhite If you have the ability to use a VPN exit point that is elsewhere in the world, it might work from some of those.
@Makyen It apparently isn't a problem with my machine. I can go everywhere else (including here and Meta SO and Meta SE and Google and other sites). Just seems to be SO itself.
@KenWhite @Makyen Sorry. Should have mentioned that I only get the text portion, and not the image, as well.
@KenWhite That's about what I'd expect from your description and the issue reported yesterday. The SE/SO issue appears to only affect some geographical regions. Thus, the VPN suggestion, which would make SO respond as if you were in some other location (i.e. use different servers).
@Makyen The link you provided doesn't help, unfortunately. Everything ends up returning a raw SO link in the browser tab name (including the http portion) and the Oops page (although the most recent attempt gave me the styled version with the image rather than just plain text - not much of an improvement, but progress?) It's bedtime here anyway... Maybe back in the AM. Thanks, and good night. :-)
@KenWhite night o/
06:19
@Makyen Thanks for the link. I wasn't going to bother looking it up, but because you posted it, I decided to read it. Found it very interesting/informative.
Annnd, SO's back! Seems to be all working now. Who says whinging doesn't get results?
@robinCTS I'm glad I was able to help. I'd closed the tab recently, so I just had to look through the list of recently closed tabs and restore it. (Although, I really should have remembered that rene pinned it 21 hours ago :-) ).
@robinCTS \o/
@GrantGarrison You should store a template as text somewhere on your mobile. I use this one: [tag:cv-pls] [tag:666] Typo or Cannot Reproduce No MCVE Unclear Too Broad Opinion Based Duplicate Request for Off-Site Resource - NATO [666](
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@Makyen
@robinCTS I don’t pretty much ever use mobile, but I saw that question and knew I had to send it in.
@GrantGarrison As @robinCTS has mentioned, there's a specific format for such requests. I understand it might be a bit more inconvenient on mobile, but you were just missing the tag, which can certainly be accomplished on mobile. The minimum is [tag:cv-pls] close reason //stackoverflow.com/q/12345. Please see: How and why do I need to format my cv-pls (and other requests)?.
@Makyen Is it worthwhile reposting Grant's request correctly and moving the original to the Sanitorium? (Even though it's closed?)
06:35
@robinCTS Given that it's already closed, I wouldn't bother re-posting. I've marked it as to-be archived, and will move it the next time I run the archiver.
@Makyen Okie, dokie. Didn't realise that you could mark posts to be archived. Also didn't know if the request had to be in the correct format to be processed from the Graveyard.
@Makyen @GrantGarrison @robinCTS It came back up before I even got away. :-) All seems good now; even got to DV a post and find a dupe of another, so things are working. Now I can sleep peacefully, knowing SO will be here in the AM. :-) Good night to all again.
@KenWhite Night.
If it wasn't already closed, then it would be a good idea to repost, as it won't show up in searches (Unclosed Request Review). You can reply to a message with a post link and have the archiver treat the combination as a request. However, the Unclosed Request Review Script (URRS) will only treat them as such while both are visible in chat. Adding that to the URRS is something that I plan to do, but it's part of a larger functionality-set of tracking requests across multiple scripts.
@KenWhite night \o (again) :-)
@Makyen Yeah, I was thinking that if it wasn't closed it should be reposted for URRS's (or should that be USSR's ;) ) sake.
Also, do you want to/mind taking care of informing peter-haddad wrt this request re missing the main tag for cv-pls requests with duplicate as a reason?
06:49
@robinCTS Manually marking messages for archiving from chat, searches, and the transcript is functionality I added to the archiver relatively recently. There was no convenient way to move messages from search or transcript pages. I also wanted a way to make a list of messages to move, as I was not wanting to move messages one at a time. It also dovetailed with wanting to clean up old requests, so when the URRS was released people didn't think there was a backlog (of del-pls, etc.).
@robinCTS Thanks for mentioning it. That's not something I'll normally spot, because the URRS automatically inserts the question's primary tag when it's missing.
@PeterHaddad Another time, for duplicate-close requests, please try to be sure to include the primary tag used by the question. While it's not a strict requirement, it's quite helpful to other users. To quote the FAQ: "[it's a good idea] Because closing as a duplicate requires more domain specific knowledge, informing other chat members of the primary tag helps them quickly figure out if they would be effective in reviewing the request."
07:06
@Makyen I realised ;) I'm on an iPad so I don't get the luxury of URRS.
@robinCTS No Firefox?
Or is it only Firefox for Android which can run userscripts? (I need to test that).
@Makyen Apple have decreed: "Thou shalt not run scripts on thy iPad."
@Makyen Besides I'm on iOS 7.1.1. No Firefox available. I'm still living in the dark ages ;)
@robinCTS Oh well. Not much you can do about that.
@robinCTS Unfortunately, that's the way it goes sometimes.
@Makyen Just FYI, Firefox on Android can run userscripts with Tampermonkey. Greasemonkey doesn't seem to work. At least, I couldn't get it to work, but I'm pretty new to the whole userscript thing. I was playing around with it the other day, when you linked me to your roomba script.
@Makyen Yeah, well, had my primary iPad browser, "Puffin", stop working a couple months ago as it required an update. Which of course I couldn't install as it requires a newer version of iOS. Looks like I'll finally have to upgrade. Will be able to get Firefox, but no userscripts. Grrr.
07:20
@MikeM. Thanks for telling me. I was just trying it out with Violentmonkey (not yet successful, but need to try something less demanding than URRS). I was going to try Tampermonkey next. I'd initially installed the beta version of Greasemonkey, but that was a no-go (not surprising). Unfortunately, while Greasemonkey 3.X was significantly better than TM or VM, GM4 just isn't there yet. It's certainly getting better, but... not yet.
@Makyen I hadn't heard of Violentmonkey yet. Something else to look into. What's URRS, btw?
okay sorry @Makyen @robinCTS I will write the tag from now and on. Should I send the duplicate question here again?
The Unclosed Request Review Script, which I released a alpha/beta version a few days ago. There's some explanation at that link, and a somewhat better description of what it does in this message. It's beta quality, but I have significant features I'm still planning on putting in, which is why I was thinking alpha.
@PeterHaddad That's debatable. It's probably fine.
@Makyen Ah, OK. I did see those. Didn't realize it'd become an acronym already. :)
07:34
@MikeM. I'm just used to using it due to working on the script, and not wanting to type it out all the time. I should have made the acronym explicit when first using in conversation with you, but I mentally carried it over from having done so a while ago. Sorry about that.
@Makyen No worries. I got the general gist from the context. I was just curious.
@MikeM. Looks like Violentmonkey is running both the beta version of the URRS and the request generator just fine in Firefox for Android. The issue was on my side. I managed to install the current release version of the URRS instead of the beta version. Thus, I didn't see any of the changes on the chat page I was expecting, so it was a PEBKAC.
07:49
@Makyen Ah, good to know. A new toy to play with. Thanks.
@kayess Do you have an idea how long you'd like for it to stay open after the mouse leaves the message? I've tried it with 1s, which feels like sufficient time to correct any bobble when moving the mouse. However, I'm not necessarily a good judge of that type of thing, as I generally prefer significantly tighter user interfaces than I often see deployed (e.g. I'm not a fan of huge amounts of blank space in a UI).
@MikeM. While VM isn't as refined as TM, the main selling points are that it's open source and doesn't include as significant an EULA as TM.
Ron
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09:24
Just guide me, any help is greatly appreciated, I searched bit didn't get much. T Shirt worthy material.
@Ron I am always reminded of the old maiden song "Judas be my guide" for some reason
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@SurajRao I think SO should plaster a big warning sign : "We're not about guidance, y'all!".
09:47
@E_net4 Also abusive towards those trying to help. I flagged that comment:(
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10:16
Removed 172 characters worth of fluff. I believe this is my personal best.
Ron the Dyson.
@MartinJames That must be the new Dyron ;)
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Apparently James Dyson is worth 5.7 billion. SO caretakers not so much.
@Ron No wonder, if you charge ~ 500$AU for a fan!
^ Sorry about that (the triple). Just getting you back for your triple previously ;)
And what's up with that? A fan isn't a fan unless you risk losing a finger if you poke at it too hard!
11:15
ummm
11:27
@Adriaan sure, interesting with new teams, but honestly it's a NHL problem, I doubt Germany would bet Canada if it had it's best players
Ron
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Sooo, the universe is not discreet, but rather continual... Go figure.
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@MartinJames Do you see small microcontrollers being replaced by quantum cpus in the future?
@Ron The universe is floating-point on a large scale, but integers on a small scale.
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12 quantum fields, 4 force fields and one Higgs field. And a plethora of homework dumps.
11:34
@Ron Going on past experience, it may happen if they become cheap enough. One day. sufficient technology will be brought to bear, at such a low cost, that toasters will work without pushing the bread in twice, continual human monitoring and without burning the bread. That will probably require a couple generations beyond quantum computers, though.
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@MartinJames What's your take on AI? I personally can't see how it will not wipe us all out.
@MartinJames Turn up the toasting time wheel. Of course you will have burns on the bread, then (I'm just having breakfast). Relieved to see it's not just me have problems with my toaster.
@Ron IME, the 'normal' organic humans will get round to the extinction first.
@Olaf Aliens, wandering around outside their lander on post-apocalypse earth: "Wonder what happened here, then"...."Dunno, probably the same as all the other dead worlds - their tech. advanced to the stage where they could get toasters to work well, and then they were done".
AI... meh... it's the puppies you've gotta watch out for...
@MartinJames Well, if we can't toast bread, we still can eat cake. (awaiting the guillotine)
11:46
@JonClements I have enough trouble with adult dogs. I gotta go see why Bailey has just gone off.. Mebbe delivery, AFK
lol, my cat-trap has gone off! The silly cats lie on the top rail of the back fence, (the sun reaches there first), get dozy and sleepy, forget were they are, roll over and fall off. Yesterday, I put a large plastic trough full of water by the fence and, this morning, it still had ice on it. Now the ice has a cat-shaped hole in it. Success!
@Olaf Get a move on with closing those questions, chop-chop!
Ron
Ron
12:04
Heat pump or a central heating pellets burner for a 150 m*m house?
I am leaning towards the latter.
^ despite the meaningless upvote.
@Ron Heat pump. For best results, you need a good cold sink. Laying flexible pipework in your neighbours roof space, below their insulation, is a good plan - it's always warm there.
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@MartinJames Seems like less maintenance, costs three times as much.
To obtain.
@Ron It does have the advantage that you can reverse it in summer and pump all your excess heat into your neighbours house.
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@MartinJames Haha, true.
12:43
^multiple questions..confused OP
13:16
@AlonEitan That post looks fishy beyond the normal OT questions. Who in the world would post his login for such a question?
@Olaf Oh, right. Haven't thought about it. Should 20k it?
@AlonEitan Maybe. Actually I wonder if a mod-flag would be appropriate. That user has no other visible posts, but is registered since 11 months. I'm just not sure how to reason the flag.
@Olaf Let's see if deletion will be enough. They'll probably get a question ban soon enough (They didn't even earn the informed tag since they registered)
I edited out the credentials
That, too. But fine, let's assume in dubio pro reo.
13:23
It's probably just a test account but nobody will mourn that question
@StephenKennedy Well, that doesn't help much and it was not my primary concern. Anyway, must be weekend, even more bad questions incoming.
@Olaf What was your primary concern?
@StephenKennedy That linked site alone looks fishy already (I didn't check the URL, though). And I don't care much about the OP being harmed by providing his credentials.
do I mod flag if I find a user posting the same answer to multiple questions within minutes (may or may not be dupes)?
@SurajRao Possibly. Do you have some examples (links)?
13:28
@SurajRao I did it, and a moderator delete one of them with instructions to not to do it again
It might be better to get rid of the questions, though, if they are dupes.
@AlonEitan dont think we are talking about the same set
@SurajRao This is one example of multiple answers that I flagged: stackoverflow.com/a/47247069/754119 + stackoverflow.com/a/47247185/754119
@SurajRao Not sure what that site is, but it somehow looks like spam. To answer your initial question: Yes.
ok..
@Olaf its like jsfiddle.. probably code example
mod flagged.. also mod flagged another set of answers by the user.. seems like OP is in a habit of fishing for rep
by posting in any old question that is remotely related to the "answer"
13:35
@SurajRao I see that a lot when reviewing the new answers to old questions
@SurajRao Ok, but he even wrote two practically identical answers (I flagged the link-only as NAA) to the same question stackoverflow.com/questions/11978995/…
And not once (As far as I remember) a moderator decline my flag about same answers
ok thanks..
@AlonEitan We,, I think it depends, but two answers to the same question in short succession is worth a mod-flag
Not my field, but judging from the other answers, this does not look like valid answers to most of the questions. I'd say someone is fishing for "have +1 for being here" up-votes. Maybe preparation for sock-puppetering?
@Olaf My last mod-flag was about a user that posted the same answer, and that user got banned for 1 week for voting irregularities (Maybe because it was reviewed by Brad Larson), but if a user is posting the exact same answer, it can only mean that the question is the exact duplicate, or that the answerer is not tailoring the answer to be specific to the question. In both cases, the answer is invalid (IMO)
@AlonEitan Agreed. The two answers from Oct 2017 are identical, too. Looks like he is searching for dupes and posting the same answer on each. IMO definitively worth more than a light slap on the middle-back.
@SurajRao Unclear or TB? But that's my 5ct and you know I'm pretty strict.
14:10
What should I do here? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/18915299 The text looks ok (new tag wiki) but the tag itself seems dubious and is only used in one question which to me seems off topic
apparently flagging is not alsways needed.. meta.stackoverflow.com/a/317973/4099593
@SurajRao Well, that would require most likely absolutely exact duplicate answers. I'm not sure if even minor edits which don't change the contents (e.g. swapping two letters) would circumvent the algorithm. I agree with the answer these auto-flags are indeed is all quite obscure. There should be some auto-accept for user-flags when the auto-flagger triggers.
@StephenKennedy The tag is completely pointless. I don't think tags should be used as keywords. That the reason we can only have 5 tags per question. Also the tag seems to have been created by that user just for its single, specific question.
14:28
it doesnt seem to be completely effective.
> so you don't have to flag these yourself in the future unless they are at least a few days old
@SurajRao That's another problem. I prefer a clear quantitisation of "few days". Anyway, that would be worth a flag for other reasons, as there are two blocks of multiple answers and the prefious block is some months old already, passing through unnoticed apparently.
^spanish
15:35
@AndrewT. That question is from 2016. Are we burning a tag or something?
I'm removing tag because it looks like a meta tag (though there's a locked question with that tag).
Oh, I see. Thanks
Ron
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Got cold weather?
@Ron Yes, thanks. Still, could be worse, I coud be in Western Siberia, (AKA Germany).
@AndrewT. There's a process for completely removing a tag. Is there a Meta post for this removal and/or did you get buy-in from a trusted user (if the tag started with <50 questions)? Unless you've posted a Meta about the cleanup/burnination, SOCVR does not relax the normal criteria for cv-pls requests.
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Weather forecast for Wednesday here: -17C.
@Ron What is this in either K or °C? I never heared about temperatures given in Coulomb:-)
16:15
@Makyen Thanks for the FAQ. Btw, the tag started with 19 questions. Granted there's no meta post about it, but from the looks of the tag, it's a meta tag. I decided to clean it up. The tag won't be burninated because there's a locked question with it though. Also, I acknowledged that I apparently broke some of the rules. Will be more considerate about that now.
@MartinJames I thought it is just me feeling it's so cold outside.
@AndrewT. Ok. Thanks for doing so in the future.
16:46
@SotiriosDelimanolis @Machavity @Nkosi a question you cv-pls'd was closed and deleted and is now contested on meta here. Please chime in there if you have anything to add.
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@KenWhite That's a del-worthy material.
@Ron Agreed. It has two now.
17:02
I.A.? New name for AI? And that tag...
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@AndrewT. I was thinking the same. The OP is clearly trolling.
@AndrewT. Intelligentia Artificiale? Maybe someone speaking Italian could check this, I have no idea if tht is correct.
17:20
@rene nothing more for me to add to that.
Sometimes, it seems that a pile of OO keywords, variables and other sundry buzzwords have been loaded into a shotgun and fired at the page:(
17:37
where should i ask algorithm related quesions?
@sparrow2 There is an algorithm tag.
but if it's purely algorithm there is a separate site for computer science
18:44
Need an RO to remove my last cv-pls request chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/41383903#41383903. I have since retracted my initial request.
Ron
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20:10
What do you use for actual documents and spreadsheets editing (for work)? Do you cash out for MS Office, use online editors or maybe Libre Office?
 
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21:18
@tripleee Algorithm questions are on-topic here according to the on-topic guide. I think that even "pure" algorithm questions are acceptable here.
21:55
@EJoshuaS ..and I cannot pronounce the username.
22:36
@EJoshuaS They are not unless related to programming. Otherwise there is math and CS. Also asking for an algorithm or how it works, etc. would be too broad, of course.

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