« first day (1548 days earlier)      last day (2251 days later) » 

12:20 AM
haha when did donald j trump become blacklisted
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis here (last Sunday).
 
wingding is back
or whatever that username was
 
@mickmackusa Regarding this request: Our rule that requests are not permitted "on a post that you have asked or answered, or for an edit which you have made", includes situations where you change your mind and decide to answer after you place a request here. If you do change your mind about a request, you need to ping an RO to have your request removed. Please do so prior to posting an answer.
 
Nuke those 2 answers guys rude/abusive/spam
Geeze Makyen, when did you become the rule nazi?
Everytime I come in here, you're always putting someone down
 
Rob
Doesn't look like they're putting anyone down; just pointing out the rules
In this particular case, at least, it does look pretty bad for the room to all close a question where one of the members has also answered it
 
12:36 AM
@FrankerZ I'm sorry that it has that appearance. It's certainly not my intention to put someone down. It is my intent to inform people of the rules. As an RO, it's also my responsibility to make sure that the rules are followed. When I see that the rules are clearly violated, I have an obligation to point that out, inform the user, and deal with the situation however might be appropriate.
As @Rob has mentioned, having us close a question which the requester has answered really doesn't look good, and does provide an unfair advantage to the user who's made the request (i.e. preventing any competing answers).
 
@MartinJames How is that unclear? Just because it starts with given/please help, just edit it out, and remove the excess noise
 
Okay. Thank you @Makyen I will do.
 
@mickmackusa Thanks.
 
Ron
Go to sleep, Europeans. Work tomorrow / today.
 
12:48 AM
never
 
Ron
Haha, nice.
 
@Ron good idea, you keep the watch here?
 
The sandman himself
 
Ron
@rene Only if it pays good.
@FrankerZ The question is nonsense in my view. I agree with the Brit on this one.
 
@Ron in your dreams
 
12:52 AM
 
Ron
@rene Wait, what? SOCVR is pro bono work?
 
Bono?
 
Ron
@BaummitAugen Sup with that phD of yours?
 
Bueno!
 
@Ron Masters only. But making progress. XD
Not scared of the deadline so far.
 
Ron
12:56 AM
@BaummitAugen Good, good.
 
what are you researching?
 
Machine-learning for virtual material design.
My major is math, but I'm fairly applied.
 
of course machine learning lol, so hot right now
 
Gotta drop those buzzwords in your title lol. =D
 
You're hired!
 
12:59 AM
@Ron How's the job-hunt going?
 
Ron
@BaummitAugen I've successfully managed to turn down all domestic offers.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Haha thanks; ML is always the answer these days. =D
@Ron That's a nice first step I suppose. =D
I don't even know when to start looking.
I suppose I could make a LinkedIn and SO jobs thingy soon.
 
Ron
@BaummitAugen Given your expertise you should have no problems in finding a good job in Bavaria or elsewhere.
 
Doesn't even have to be Germany necessarily. But haven't looked for anything specific yet.
 
Ron
Be picky tree with eyes, and don't be afraid to walk away if the job is c*ap.
I almost developed depression on my last gig.
 
1:07 AM
Yeah, I'll try.
Though I'll probably have to move, but well. Now's a time where that's easy.
 
Ron
Indeed.
When I was younger I somehow always used to end up in Asia. Not how you spell Canada.
 
lol =D
But then, Japan, Singapore and the like probably have nice jobs, too.
 
Ron
Singapore is a heaven on Earth imho.
Such a lovely place. Don't know anything about Japan.
 
I've been to Japan. I enjoyed it a lot, but of course I don't know how living and working there would be like.
 
Ron
Are you considering USA or Canada too?
 
1:15 AM
So far, pretty much nothing is off the table, as long as I can live a decently safe and free life.
But as I said, I did not do a lot of research yet.
 
1:27 AM
Alright, time for sleep now. Cya! o/
 
Ron
o/
 
1:55 AM
@Makyen How do I report a non-English question here?
Like this? [cv-pls] [tag] off-topic; belongs on Portuguese Stack Overflow: [link]
 
@gparyani The minimum would be [tag:cv-pls] belongs on Portuguese Stack Overflow https://stackoverflow.com/q/12345 See: How and why do I need to format my cv-pls (and other requests)? for more detail.
 
@Makyen Would a cv-pls or del-pls be preferable?
Also, are non-English questions for which there exists a corresponding language SO site considered "off-topic"?
 
@gparyani A question must be closed prior to being deleted. Such requests should be submitted as separate messages. The del-pls souldn't be posted until after the question is closed.
@gparyani Technically, we close questions which are not in English as "Unclear". But, what you put is fine.
@gparyani How do I deal with non-English content? is the canonical Meta post.
 
2:10 AM
@Makyen I didn't specify a close reason in my actual request, but I'll remember to put it as "unclear" next time.
 
2:25 AM
@ekad That's not recently active
 
@gparyani They are off-topic irregadless whether there is a native SO site of not. This site is strict english only.
 
@Olaf The question was, are they "off-topic" or some other reason? Makyen responded above that they're "unclear what you're asking".
 
@gparyani Please see what my post refers to. It was your statement "Also, are non-English questions for which there exists a corresponding language SO site considered "off-topic"?" This could imply they are on-topic if there is no native language SO site. I pointed out this is not a criterion, but yes, you will find this in the meta post, too. I overlooked that post of Makyen. Better twice than never.
 
@Olaf Thanks for the info.
 
3:07 AM
@ekad While the question should have been closed, having the last activity as 5 months ago is a bit old for a cv-pls. There isn't any explicitly defined metric for how recent the activity needs to be (there can also be activity that doesn't appear on the question page; e.g. someone using it as a (bad) example, etc.). However, the general intent behind requests is to get action on a post more rapidly than the regular queues/reviews will provide (or enough action, for low-traffic tags).
If it's not going to benefit the community to close the question rapidly, then a cv-plsis probably not appropriate. Where that boundary is, isn't clear. But, generally, it's "will there be benefit to closing now", or "will there be harm by waiting for action in the CV-queue". For questions that haven't been active in a while (i.e. nobody's looking at them), it's unlikely that a few more hours, or days, prior to closure will make a difference.
 
1
Q: Is the "What is AM/PM called?" question on-topic?

smciWhat is AM/PM called? has been a popular question for 8 years, and in fact is the #1 Google hit for "What is AM/PM called?", and is also linked from the top-5 hit "What is the proper name for “AM” and “PM”?". So as far as the net is concerned, it's the primary reference for this little-known term...

 
@smci Generally, please don't onebox posts.
 
Waffles™
 
(Last time for me, for a while. See you in 1.5 weeks!)
mmmm.... Waffles
\o
 
3:17 AM
@Mogsdad I hope it's a good thing. Have a great time. o/
 
@Makyen ok understood, thanks for the explanation.
 
3:42 AM
@Makyen . I generally don't. This was a rare case which I suspected would quickly devolve into subjectivity and unproductive exchanges (lo and behold it did), which is why I asked you experts to preempt that by making useful comment. It's still an ongoing mystery to me how to get a functional discussion on Meta. ("The more I learn, the less I know...")
 
 
1 hour later…
5:29 AM
@KenWhite OP appears to have edited to include a MCVE (or, at least, code)
 
6:14 AM
AFAIK, there's no close reason for "this question is trivially solved by reading the documentation." The most I can do seems to be DV :(
 
@Justin beginner questions are fine if they are well-articulated, but yeah
 
I keep catching myself becoming that "mean stackoverflow 'moderator'".... I often downvote a question, but when I think more about it, I really don't have to downvote it. :( Something for me to work on.
My favorite thing is when I get to upvote a question and VTC as duplicate
 
6:40 AM
Ekhm... How to deal with this: OP posted a question with a simple typo (superfluous dash); then upon receiving a comment (and an answer, sigh) edited the body with a subsequent error message clearly indicating: "Try pip install docker-py", without any indication that they did or did not install the package...
 
7:27 AM
1 message moved to SOCVR Testing Facility (oops)
 
Morning \o
 
8:34 AM
@ekad unclear, too broad seems better...
 
is the chat UI supposed to have changed or is this a bug?
 
I mean probably you can answer without link to lib... some code...
 
@PetterFriberg It was edited a few minutes after I posted the request, this was what OP said previously: "I search about any project or library that can help me, I found Google diff match patch, but it's not for Android".
 
@WhatsThePoint Is what a bug? Generally, no the chat UI shouldn't have changed. What's different?
 
aah ok, np..
 
8:40 AM
@Makyen it appears similar to mobile browser view even though I'm on pc, ill show you screenshots
that's if I can work out how to post them...
 
@WhatsThePoint try to go to the menu icon and select fullsite, i think you are running mobile version in browser (but you can switch in menu)
 
@WhatsThePoint Click the hamburger icon in the top-left corner, and select "Full site". You might've accidentally hit the "mobile" link in the bottom-right corner of the full site at some point.
 
@WhatsThePoint ^ that, and what @PetterFriberg said.
 
also that ^ :)
 
8:46 AM
nothing happens when i click that, is this because im in IE?
 
Oop, Petter already said that. nm.
 
@WhatsThePoint if in IE you immediately need to press alt+F4
 
@WhatsThePoint I just tried going to the mobile version and back. Worked fine in FF. Let me try IE. Or, someone else could beat me to it :-).
 
that being said, none of the buttons seem to do anything
 
I had request cv for this OP seems to have deleted and undeleted it
 
8:51 AM
@WhatsThePoint In IE, I experience the same thing. I'm looking for a workaround.
 
@Makyen was it in mobile UI straight away for you or did you have to switch?
 
@WhatsThePoint I had to switch.
@SurajRao Do you want to re-post, or want me to move it back?
 
yes..
 
@Makyen odd because mine was like that straight away
 
does deleting - undeleting remove posts from review queues?
 
9:00 AM
@SurajRao Good question. I'd consider it likely. I recall reading anything other that once deleted they are removed from review queues, but that it might take a while to happen. I don't recall reading anything about them being put back in the queues if undeleted.
 
is there any way i can manually call the switch to full site without actually pressing the button?
 
@WhatsThePoint Looking for it.
@WhatsThePoint Use F12 to open the console and execute CHAT.switchMobile('off');
 
> 2800 helpful flags
\o/
 
9:18 AM
@WhatsThePoint Did that work for you?
 
@Makyen sorry was away from desk, just tried it now, yes it works
 
@WhatsThePoint It'd be a good idea to post a bug report on Meta, or perhaps it's a feature request, as mobile isn't supported in stock IE. At a minimum, it'll be good to have the workaround somewhere people can find it.
 
yeah I will do, do you mind sending me a link to where you found this CHAT.switchMobile('off'); so I can put that in the question
 
@WhatsThePoint I used the DevTools console to view the structure of the CHAT Object and then the inspector to check the event listeners for the buttons to see if they contained the appropriate argument to use (because true and false didn't work). The next would have been to try looking through the formatted minimized code (the mobile site uses different code, so I don't have it handy).
 
ah so I you didn't find it on a page, that's fine, i'll just mention you worked hard to find it
 
9:34 AM
@WhatsThePoint No, I didn't. Prior to suggesting that you post on Meta, I also tried searching for any mention of CHAT.switchMobile to see if it was already posted somewhere, but Google returned no valid results. That's why I feel it'd be good to make a Meta post, even though I don't really expect SE to fix it, given that it's not supported. Having the Meta post will at least allow someone else to find it, should they need the information.
 
yeah I'm making it now, stuck on a title though
 
@WhatsThePoint "Chat Mobile won't discuss departure with IE" or "IE: Mobile Chat menus don't open; Unable to switch to normal Chat", or something like those. Have fun.
 
PHP PARTISAN!
 
9:53 AM
@Makyen made the post, feel free to edit in any details I may have missed
 
We closed the question so they created a new user account and posted again ー how should this be closed? "Duplicate" does not work because of no answer/different user account. Flag for moderation?
 
flag for mod attention with a pointer to the other question
 
@techraf mod flag
 
10:01 AM
@techraf the original was a typo, and the OP corrected their own typo in an edit...
 
creating a sock puppet just to repost essentially the same question is abuse in its own right
 
10:37 AM
Is this a bug? a low rep user flags as duplicate. I cv as unclear.. Then it gets closed as dupe with my name.. According to Op's comment, they dont think it is dupe
 
@SurajRao I don't think it's unambiguously a bug, I have also thought that the logic should be more transparent but I think what's going on is that the close reason won't always be correctly reported and that this is somehow
 
@SurajRao If the OP didn't think it was a duplicate, then they screwed up by clicking the "That solved my problem!" button, or whatever it says.
 
And there was a flag on dupe and not a cv. Only close voter's name turns up.. wierd edge case
 
 
1 hour later…
Ron
o/
 
Sam
\o
 
o/
 
Ron
Wrecking the mini train to ask how are you all feeling on this glorious Friday?
 
@Ron d̛̗͇͖̘͜e̱̙̗a̴̠d͉͙̕͜ ̶̹i̙̣͖̼̙̼̫̻ͅn̴̗͍̪͓̠̦͉͢s̡̼̜̦͕̤̮ͅì͈̝̟̹̞d҉̣̻͚e̡̹͎͍͔
jk
 
Ron
12:01 PM
@E_net4 There, there. It only gets better. I've been through some rough waters myself.
 
@Ron Patiently awaiting the Vrijmibo
 
Ron
@Adriaan Haha, true. That went out of style.
 
@SurajRao What is "musical piracy"? Sailor choires? Andrew Lloyd Webber?
 
Ron
@Adriaan I see you studied physics. I often catch myself watching MIT and Royal Institute lectures on the subject on Youtube.
 
12:11 PM
@Ron still studying actually.
 
Ron
So how many quantum fields are there? 4, 12 or 16 + Higgs?
VTC to close my question as too broad.
 
Best CSS typo Q of the week:
> background: punk;
And I couldn't stop laughing, yet I have tried. Outcome: -1 dl of tea poured on keyboard
 
@Ron TBH: not a clue :P I like the philosophical quantum discussion, but the math part is not my strong point. (I'm in acoustical imaging myself)
 
@kayess for non-English questions, is that the unclear flag?
 
Ron
@JakeSymons Yes.
 
12:18 PM
@JakeSymons yes. I have chosen the off-topic custom reason
 
That's one yes and one no?
Ah, I found it all here what to flag as
 
Non-English questions tend to be of very low quality anyway.
 
Ron
@E_net4 I agree with that. I wonder what's the rationale behind having the localized version in the first place?
 
12:42 PM
@E_net4 This might be true for stack exchange, but not for native language sites/forums. The reason for SE is imo people asking good questions normally know this is an english-only site, hence phrase the question appropriately. The non-english SE sites are much less frequented because they are much less frequented (sic!) - chicken & egg.
 
1:06 PM
@Olaf Sure, I was specifically talking about non-English questions in the main Stack Overflow.
 
@JakeSymons I also flagged it as NAA but my flag was declined... it is clear NAA though
 
Sam
 
Morning
 
Ron
o/
 
Moaning
 
@MartinJames tmi ;)
 
@NathanOliver That's what you get when you're on EST ;)
 
2:03 PM
@E_net4 Depending on tag, even most english (i.e. written in readable english) questions are bad :-(
 
@MartinJames CST thank you very much
 
2:15 PM
@ekad Ask @Compass
 
morning
 
Ron
o/
 
Sam
o/
 
o/
 
2:28 PM
o/
 
2:42 PM
I so want to down and close-vote this C macro nightmare, but I can't think of an excuse:( stackoverflow.com/q/48827743/758133
 
Ron
I thought only C++ people are wary of macros. That really is a nightmare.
Ten euros says it's from Academia. Oh wait, it says from a code base. Make that a BBM.
 
@Ron Anyone who has had to debug that shi.. shifty code would be wary of it.
 
Ron
Horrible stuff indeed. But then again, what passes for software out there is another story.
 
@Ron I'll give that to C++, no need for that silly stuff when you have the generics, containers, polystyrene etc.
 
Ron
@MartinJames Haha, indeed.
 
2:51 PM
@Ron Just like TObjectList, (lol)
 
Ron
@MartinJames Aah, my eyes, my Delphi past...
@MartinJames When I encounter Delphi code I look away. That's PTS for you. ;)
A decade well squandered.
 
@Ron It could have been better. In particular, TThread and it's useless/dangerous/inefficient TThread.Synchronize and TThread.WaitFor methods made me physically sick:(
 
Ron
3:07 PM
@MartinJames If you look at the Delphi tag they still dabble whether some piece of code is thread safe or not. That WInAPI wrapper sure is nasty.
 
@Ron yeah - evey time I was forced to look at that thing I was afeared of it:(
 
Ron
The only way I would even remotely consider going back to that <explicit> language is if someone said: look, Ron, here is a 3 bed apartment in Singapore overlooking the Clarke Quay and Marina Bay and we will pay a lot of money.
And even that would require some persuasion.
That's one of those niche languages you can learn by guessing.
 
3:31 PM
@Ron If it happens, give me a call:)
 
Ron
@MartinJames Haha, will do.
 
SOMEONE ASKED FOR ME
OWO
 
@Compass Nothing to deal with: return from interrupt :)
 
plops over
 
it's annoying when you make an edit and then the owner rolls it back and makes a separate edit that changes the same thing you did
in fact I'd say it's rude
*grumble grumble*
 
They probably did reject and edit? o.o
 
no, it's the new feature
"overridden by post owner"
the edit was approved yesterday
today the owner overrode the edit (rolling it back) and then edited the post himself to edit it in only one of the various fixes I made to the post
 
4:19 PM
@TylerH Of course - you only eidt in one fix at a time to give the SO drones time to test it before adding in the next fix. Why put in all the fixes at once, only to find out one is bad and so have to do some actual debugging yourself? So, put one in, wait for your slaves to verify it, then put the next in...
 
@MartinJames Hey, that's good scientific practice to only change one variable at a time and see what happens.
 
4:43 PM
@Olaf I suspect that, in more detail, the practice is to change one variable and then, either yourself, one of your highly-paid research team or a contractor tests it out:|
 
5:04 PM
Is asking how to hack questions like ^ on topic?
 
@JakeSymons No as it is too broad/ possible a SU question.
In general though hacking /writing a virus is not off topic as long as it isn't off topic for any other reason. Now is it ethical is another question.
 
What about this are "is this right" questions on-topic?
 
@JakeSymons Is that even a question? I have no idea
 
@Machavity lol
 
@PaulRoub That has got 1729 upvotes, so it is obviously useful
 
@JakeSymons usefulness arguments come into play on deletion, not closure
 
I'd like to retract my cv-pls on stackoverflow.com/questions/48821672/… because it isn't getting closed and I want to post a better answer than the accepted one. Is this okay, RO?
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis They need an up-to-date timetable and a map of the college;)
 
Ron
5:50 PM
@mickmackusa You need to ping one of the ROs with that request. The one with the petals for example. Sure it is possible.
 
@Makyen I'd like to retract my close vote from earlier. Is this okay with you?
 
Ron
^ and provide a link to your request in that comment.
 
@mickmackusa do you have a link to the request you want removed?
 
Um, I don't know the link to my request. It was 9 hours ago.
 
I found it. It's been moved
 
5:58 PM
thx
 
Ron
@mickmackusa For future reference, like in this image.
 
@Ron Is that freehand?
 
Ron
@JakeSymons Nope, it's predefined shape.
 
6:26 PM
@Ron you monster! you took the soul out of that image!
This is why freehand stuff exists
 
Ron
@gunr2171 My Delphi past is to blame.
 
@mickmackusa Just because it did not get enough CVs does not not mean it magically becomes on-topic and you should answer.
 
Ron
6:41 PM
Got binary trees?
 
Ron
@MartinJames Haha, I almost looked away.
 
@FireAlarm pretty sure there is a dupe for that
 
@Ron :-s
 
Ron
Googling for :-s.
 
6:57 PM
you will get results for :
that do not include the letter s
happy troll day
 
Ron
Apparently there is a post about it on English SE.
"S in my experience is supposed to be like Charlie Brown's face when the mouth is just a squiggly line" - trolol.
 
After a while, questions with titles like 'I'm trying to add two polynomials with iterative method using linked list' just fill me with foreboding and I refuse to open them at all. I know I'm missing out on cv-opportunities, but there's only so much I can take per day:(
 
I know how you feel. Half the questions I see I just skip because the title makes me not even want to read what is in the question body
 
Same for Jira issues I'm looking at ....
 
Oh dear, poor Ron... I just looked in teh C++ tag as a respite from the C linked-list trash, but C++ is worse:(
 
8:06 PM
@mickmackusa Thanks for asking. It's always fine to have a request removed. I'm glad another RO was around to take care of it. We're all happy to do so. Another time, please ask to have it removed prior to Answering, or, at least, immediately after you Answer. You don't, necessarily, need to wait until it's removed to post your Answer. Asking for removal prior to Answering makes it clearer to outside observers that the room isn't being used to gain an advantage over other users. Thanks.
 
8:26 PM
@Steve Such a brash question should be re-opened so we can close it once more.
 
@Olaf I am tempted
 
9:01 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis I guess 'Don't use Eclipse' would not go down well with the OP:)
 
@MartinJames Would not go down well with me either!!!1
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis You are an Eclipse user? I always thought of you as an intelligent, level-headed sort..:)
 
Ron
@MartinJames ikr, no fun in that. I was told it is like that till late April.
 
@MartinJames Never have you been so wrong.
 
@Ron I'm in no way a C++ guru, but even I can detect the trash level tonight. Imma staying in bed Sunday:(
 
Ron
9:08 PM
@MartinJames Stormy weather.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis OK, I'm leaving that alone before I incriminate myself further:)
 
Ron
I thought Eclipse was Java developer's first choice.
Or Netbeans or sumthina.
 
@Ron First choice for what, though? I would prefer pills or a tall building to jump off, maybe a couple bottles of whisky first.
 
Ron
Haha. I think they feel the same about native developers.
 
@MartinJames: Serious question: which IDE do you prefer if not Eclipse? Or don't you use an IDE at all?
 
Ron
9:16 PM
Visual Studio 2017 is pretty good. If it's Windows you are targeting. Sublime is nice.
What's Atmel Studio like?
 
@Olaf That provided with D8, (Delphi), or Rowley Crossworks, (C++). They're both nasty Qt contraptions, but the debugger works well, (prolly gdb underneath), and they don't generally crash I don't use a command-line at all unless forced, not wanting to live with a human interface from the 60's:)
 
Ron
Haha, well said.
 
@MartinJames Hmm, thanks. I actually do prefer the console for build/debugging. Does not mean I'm a fan of Emacs or Vi. I've yet to see someone with an IDE being better in my job. But, well, embedded is maybe quite specific.
 
A lot of developers don't like IDE's because they are insufficiently flexible and it's difficult to automate tjhem. OTOH, none of that would prevent the wave of SO trash questions as much as using an IDE, with its easy-to use source-level debugger.
 
Ron
I see MS is pushing VS Code on Linux. Never tried it though.
 
9:23 PM
@MartinJames I'm not sure that would even make up for one less stoooopid question. As it seems most of them do use IDEs.
 
Ron
Here is a gdb presentation you might find useful. Apparently gdb has an interface of its own.
 
So, I can't help but wonder why so many newbs are struggling iwth a flexible, automatable interface they cannot use and avoiding an IDE they could actually easily break/step/inspect with?
 
OTOH I might think different about IDEs if I worked on Windows. Rarely seen something less helpful than the Windows console.
 
Ron
Visual Studio arguably has the best integrated debugger in the industry.
 
@Olaf I'm not sure that there is anything less flexible.
 
9:25 PM
@Ron Ehm, … yes. What's the news? ;-)
 
Ron
VS 2017 is awesome. The editor is so improved compared to previous versions.
 
@Ron Yes, that none of the newbs acually use. To be fair, they don't use command-line gdb either, (or cout/printf) :(
 
@MartinJames Well, Ford Sync-2 and most Car Multimedia platoforms are. But one rarely uses them for software development/testing.
 
@Olaf 'Car Multimedia platforms'.... well, that's a low blow.
Our garage has admitted that it is not possible to remove names from the car phone list. The numbers can be erased, but not the names. Wonderful.
 
@MartinJames I wouldn't consider devs >20 years in the job "newbies". Most of the ones I met hardly can use their IDE's debugger properly. They "prefer Unit-tests over debugging" (seriously, that's what I was told by some senior-dev at a potential customer - needless to say the potential vanished instantly with that statement).
 
Ron
9:32 PM
I am always amazed as to how good GCC is.
 
@MartinJames Normally you can delete the complete address book. Stupid thing with my Ford is I have to download the addressbook each time I add a new entry to the phone. Of course that means the phone asks for confirmation I allow the download from the car. That makes it a no-go when driving.
@Ron I'd say there is no other multi-platform compiler of that quality since a decade or so; maybe except clang since few years.
 
@Olaf I wonder how they get anything working? Amost every time I add a new chunk of functionality to my apps, it blows up first time it's run and I have to debug it.
 
@MartinJames Seeing the requirements of some projects ("use this toolchain and that library and don't prove how sh**ty they are) I often get the impression they work under the premise "the way is the goal, we don#t need to create products". Long time I hoped this is some German thingie, but I hear this from other coutries, too.
 
@Olaf The whole concept of car management has gone down the pan. I cannot control the heater or a/c now without diverting attention from the road for an excessive period. When the weather is cold, I preset the temp to 24C and control the interior temp by adjusting the windows, (something I can do by feel).
 
@MartinJames Well, I can. It was one requirement for my new car (2 years ago) it has seperate controls and display for A/C, not all mixed into the "Info"tainment system. Problem is the music player can't even queue up new songs, but instead if you click a song it forgets about whatever was playing and starts that single song.
 
9:42 PM
@Olaf Meh - I got one screen and multifunction touch buttons - near useless and dangerous:(
 
But maybe Internet access is more imortant than showwing the song title with more than 8 3cm large characters.
 
@JakeSymons Another time, answers which clearly aren't answers should be flagged as Not An Answer. The answer will then go into the LQP review queue and be deleted from there, or by a moderator. If it needs to be removed now, then a delete-pls might be appropriate, but the vast majority of answers which qualify for that will also be either spam or rude/abusive and should be flagged as such. A custom moderator flag should also be considered, if explanation is needed, but not domain knowledge.
A del-pls for an Answer should be reserved for those situations which don't fit the other already available actions. This would normally be an Answer which requires domain knowledge to know it's either not answering or is actively harmful (moderators should be assumed to not have domain knowledge).
 
@Olaf ikr - the designers should be forced at gunpoint to use their prototypes for a month. Those who don't crash the vehicles while fiddling with touchscreens etc then might change their ways:(
 
@MartinJames I have a temp-knob for each side and LED displays for the values. I hate it having a knob tghere and seeing the actual values elsewhere.
 
@Makyen okay, feel free to sanitize that post. Thanks for pointing that out
 
9:45 PM
@JakeSymons Keep in mind that delete-voting an answer is a 20k+ reputation privilege (10k+ for questions). Asking for delete-votes should be infrequent, particularly until you have the ability to delete-vote yourself.
Also: Please use a link that is to the post on which you want action, not a comment on the post. It's best for requests to have as much clarity as possible. Using a link which doesn't go directly to the post on which you want action leaves it somewhat unclear what you are really asking for.
 
@MartinJames That's always a good idea. And the reason often OSS is much better than closed source: the devs just wrote the program for themselves, not to earn money. When I start something, I first think about how to assemble/produce the device and how to use it. That's why I am so picky bying new stuff.
 
@JakeSymons The request is already complete, so I'm just going to move it with other complete requests.
 
@Olaf Yup - I like to see how the product is used. It's very enlightening to talk to end-users: "oh - we never use that because of XXX"...."oh, never thought of that".
 
@MartinJames Some time ago I designed simple electrical devices which were hand-built in the company. I always started by building the first devs myself to find out how to impreove them and to write reasonable assembly instructions.
 
9:54 PM
@Olaf That can work for small batches, sure. For bigger jobs. a good production engineer is worth their wieght in bitcoin.
 
@MartinJames Of course it is. But that does not release the developers of devices from considering production and usage. Today's problem is first come the art-designers, then marketing, controlling, the nice of the golf-trainer of the CFO, etc. and last the usability designers (if any at all) and the engineers.
 
@Olaf ikr :( Just because it works well is no excuse to market it. It has to look cool at the expense of useability, (or, it appears, safety).
 
@MartinJames Or the law. My car-navi always pops up a warning using it can distract from driving when entered the first time. Of course I have to click "OK" to get rid of that dialog. Needless to say most people normally turn on the navi while driving …
 
@Makyen Thank you, I will try and refrain from until I have the required rep to do it myself, which I will get eventually
 
@Olaf lol, typical.. :((
 
Ron
10:03 PM
@MartinJames @Olaf For what it's worth I have really enjoyed your conversation. Next thing you know I will be turning full embedded.
Interesting topics there.
 
@Ron I'm gong to embed myself soon. Didn't sleep well last night.
 
Ron
Haha.
 
@MartinJames We had "Web 2.0" and now move towards "Industry 4.0". I yet have to see "Brain 1.0"
2
 
@Ron Also, it's always depressing agreeing with Olaf. Everywhere I look now, there is stuff that doens't work well and is intensely annoying.
 
Ron
@MartinJames Good night sleep and all is back to optimal.
 
10:08 PM
@MartinJames "Also, it's always depressing agreeing with Olaf." - Charming.
@Ron What do you smoke in bed?
 
Ron
Haha, say what?
 
Even teh wastebasket in my office is waste. It's cool-looking, pleasant-coloured injection-moulded plastic. It has next-to-no mass and a high center of gravity. You breathe on it and it falls over, spilling rubbish all over the floor.
 
@MartinJames Order some tons of lead plates for "office usage".
 
Ron
This VMWare Workstation really kicks <explicit>. Best 122.90 € I've ever spent.
 
The problem is the workarounds to make things half-way usable takes much more time/(costs/material/energy/etc. than doing it right from the beginning. But then that would require … well … brain.
 
10:12 PM
@Olaf I experimented with a half-brick in the bottom, but in the end, I just gave up. I now throw rubbish directly onto on the floor and sweep up on bin days.
@Ron OK, VMware is good, I accept that.
 
Ron
Bought it on Black Friday two years ago online.
 
@Ron Oh... a legitimate copy then....
lol
 
@MartinJames As I work most time in homeoffice, I would get trouble with my boss, having a serious talk before the mirror.
 
Ron
@MartinJames Legit 100%.
 
@Ron Sure.....
@Olaf I get that too:(
 
Ron
10:17 PM
@MartinJames Haha, no really, as you know there are issues when trying to access specific websites while in China. Vmware was not one of them.
@MartinJames Apparently the regular price is 274.95. During Black Friday it was 122.90.
 
@Ron Luck, Lucky! Just for you, special price!
 
Ron
Haha, I encourage you to visit their site during the BF and see for yourself.
 
@MartinJames just delete vote it, will you, instead of commenting on a lost case.
 
@rene I thought I had. That llittle oversight now corrected, tks.
 
10:30 PM
I upvoted a C question. First time this year, IIRC.
 
@MartinJames Which one? I should downvote it to keep the balance.
 
Looks like clang dropped a clanger:(
 
10:47 PM
@MartinJames Plus the question lacks a mcve. Specifically the assembler code would be required here. I'm also not sure if this is not a C++ problem. Sigh definitively not worth an upvote. And I was so hopefully.
 
@Olaf Maybe. It's a Q about C, and I'm not convinced that such questions should require an assembly dump though, in thie case it's obviously very relevant.
 
11:29 PM
@MartinJames It's a question about a (potential) compiler bug with correct code (as far as it looks). So I think the machine code is relevant here. I agree, though, there is no need for assembly code, a hexdump is sufficient;-)
 
@Olaf Meh....
 
@MartinJames Muh!
 
Ron
Apparently I got the job. Unsolicited midnight LinkedIn messages ftw!
 
@Olaf You're just trying to spoil my entire day. I accept that my car is rubbish, my wastebasket is rubbish even when it contains no rubbish and now you're telling me my first C upvote in recorded history is incorrect:(
@Ron The one in Singapore with the free penthouse?
 
@MartinJames I didn't say it is incorrect. It is rubbish. You have been Low-jack'd Welcome to my world.
 
Ron
11:36 PM
@MartinJames Sadly not. This one was domestic.
 
@MartinJames Oh, there are jobs you get a slippery magazine abonement?
 
@Olaf lol, anyway, thanks for all the fish and I'm off to get embedded. AFK
 

« first day (1548 days earlier)      last day (2251 days later) »