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12:35 AM
 
12:47 AM
I've noticed an edit that was approved three years ago incorrectly. Worth flagging?
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis That's an awful long time ago for flagging about the review. I wouldn't flag that review unless the approval was particularly egregious.
@JakeSymons The suggested edit review doesn't show accepted/rejected information for the user making the suggested edit at the time the reviewer is actually reviewing. Once the reviewer has completed the review of the edit (possibly prior to a second/third review by another user making the approval/rejection of the edit final), the reviewer can load that review again (easily done by clicking the browser back button) and see such stats for the user suggesting the edit and all reviewers.
This is the same information/page that is displayed to you when you view the review page for your own suggested edits.
 
1:16 AM
@SotiriosDelimanolis Reading the (mod-deleted) self-answer, I wonder if this is some clever form of spam.
 
Dunno about that, but the question came up in Discussion on meta.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis A quick guess: Another homeworker whining because no one does his homework?
 
 
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4:40 AM
In fact, the tag has all sorts of awful questions in it - it's worth a mass cleanup effort at minimum, full burnination would be even better though.
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Q: Is there an [api] to help burninate this tag?

Danubian SailorThe api tag is typical meta tag. It is used as modal modifier for other tags, but it is used for so many different things, that in no way it could be used alone. Let's burninate it. Every time someone uses this tag, one frog dies.

 
5:09 AM
@EJoshuaS It has 57,000 open questions. That's huge. It's 15.6 user-years worth of close votes.
 
@Makyen True - searching for: '[api] "is there an" closed:no' reveals a good start for close-worthy questions, though.
 
@EJoshuaS Yeah, I did the same thing with "looking for" :-)
 
Terrible, isn't it?
There are a fair number of bad questions that can be made to Roomba by downvoting. (Obviously, I'm not making a recommendation either way on downvoting particular questions since we don't discuss downvotes or upvotes on specific posts here - just making a general observation).
Well, I'd best be off to sleep - have the joy of early-morning conference calls tomorrow :(
 
7:05 AM
vandalism? stackoverflow.com/posts/48575217/revisions worth flagging or just delete?
 
def vandalism, dunno about the flagging
 
7:51 AM
Morning \o
 
@AmitJoshi as an aside: unless Dmitry also had a (now deleted) comment on the question, they won't get the ping. See the exhaustive list on meta for who you can ping.
 
8:05 AM
@kayess Lo, it's safe to come out now, Sunday is over and it's too late for h/w questions.
 
@AmitJoshi The close-votes on that question question were not all for too broad. Personally, I VtC as general computing. It's just asking for (and the accepted answer gives) what command line options to use for a shell command. It doesn't appear to be about programming to me.
@MartinJames That depends on your POV. It's still Sunday in some parts of the world. For homework, don't you normally have until start of class? If they're doing it on Sunday, then they're slacking on their procrastination. True procrastinators would wait until, at least, Monday morning. :-)
 
8:27 AM
@Makyen : This question is clearly about programming; it is NOT JUST shell command. In DICOM, many toolkits are available through command line; DCMTK is one of them and widely used. Also; DCMTK is valid tag on SO and many question are tagged with it.
 
user8097737
In the review queue for late answers I stumbled over an audit to an answer for this question stackoverflow.com/questions/48438825 which is clearly off-topic and should be closed. Or is the question preserved for the audit? (By the way: is this the right place to ask about problems like that or is there a better place.)
 
@Makyen : Just because toolkit works on command line, it does not make the question "general computing". If we take this as valid basis, lot many questions on SO will become off-topic.
 
@AmitJoshi The fact that it's using a valid tag, doesn't make it on-topic. That's a bad argument. It's asking for command line arguments to movescu. The accepted answer provides those. It's not asking how to program with them, nor does it relate the problem to a programming task. Is it on-topic for me to ask how to have the ls command list the files that are normally ignored, or in long format? That's the same thing.
 
@Makyen Agreed about what you say about tag. "It's asking for command line arguments to movescu." This is similar to ask "what parameters I should use for xyz method of abc class" in DCMTK. Being command line and text based, many user face difficulty while figuring this out. Also, DICOM is complicated; many user do not know the proper term to be searched in document/specifications. Once they learn, most of them can UNDERSTAND the document/standards themself.
 
@AmitJoshi your argument is irrelevant. Learning how to fly a plane can be daunting as well, doesn't make it on-topic here. SO is not about helping anyone with any odd problem, SO is for helping people with programming problems and sole commands on the command line are not considered to be "programming" by SO.
 
8:43 AM
@AmitJoshi Sometimes what to put in command line options can be on-topic, if it's related to how to program with it. However, this question doesn't relate the issue to a programming problem, in any way that I see. It's a straight-up ask of "how do I do this with this command (or other command if needed)". That's not programming-related, it's how to use the tools available on my computer.
 
@MartinJames lol hi
 
@Makyen : Please note that there are many other details in accepted answer those explain OP other related things. I am not able to put this better than this; English is my third language. I insist this is programming question as like many other questions tagged with .
 
9:01 AM
@AmitJoshi The answer provides the command-line options needed and the both the server and system configuration needed for DCMTK to be functional. The fact that it lists these requirement, at least to me, makes it more clear that this is not a programming question, but a general computing one which involves properly setting up both the user's computer and the server. The answer does not appear to relate it to a programming issue. It relates it to computer use and system administration.
@devpuh You can ask here, and we can give our opinions. In general, questions about audits, are normally asked on Meta (and should be asked there if it contributed to a review band which you are wanting lifted, or should raise a flag about it). Questions are not "preserved" for audits. Audits can easily be from deleted questions. However, I think you're not actually asking about your audit, instead you're trying to bring to our attention that the question is off-topic.
@devpuh I agree it's off-topic, as it's too broad. In general, you should flag such questions for closure, specifying the reason you feel fits. You can also bring such a question to this room's attention by posting a request here, if you feel it deserves special attention. I've done so for that question. If you want to do so for other questions, I strongly suggest you take our tour and read our FAQ.
 
I found two almost identical questions here and here‌​.. duplicate accounts?
 
user3956566
9:20 AM
@Makyen thanks for remembering, yes it's done. One last session and it's over, but it won't be as intense as last session
 
9:37 AM
@YvetteColomb I'm glad to hear that. From what you described, it sounded like the last session was a bit much. I hope the next one goes well.
@SurajRao They appeared similar, but I wouldn't consider them close enough to automatically think they are from the same person (a possibility, but not really close enough in content and wording). I'd normally start with leaving comments for both, which I describe in somewhat more detail here.
 
@Makyen ok.. thanks
 
Ron
9:59 AM
o/
 
\o
 
 
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Sam
Morning o/
 
11:35 AM
@SurajRao I custom-hit with 'SO is not Apple support'
 
@MartinJames or it could be the dupe to the link in the comment..
 
Why so many iPeople think that users on a software Q&A site would be interested in their business issues with Apple is beyond me:(
@SurajRao Oh yeah... OK, I cv'd that old one too.
 
12:23 PM
@MartinJames It's like the "i" in "team". iTeam
 
@Olaf Oh, youre teeming with funnies today:)
 
@MartinJames Don't iAlways?
 
Meh...
 
@MartinJames . youtube.com/watch?v=CST7w_Otz7o last frame
 
@Olaf lol
 
Sam
12:49 PM
 
@kayess would call that general computing
 
@kayess Reminds me of the good 'ol days of the CVQ (when we closed questions in neck-high snow on mountaintops all day long)
 
Morning
 
o/
 
There are a bunch of off-topic questions in the close vote queue by the way.
8:00 AM and already out of close votes - the horror, the horror
 
2:03 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis It's deleteable now
 
2:17 PM
@dur I don't know if it's that specific character.
 
dur
@SotiriosDelimanolis Nevermind, I voted (typo), althought there are a lot of similar questions on SO. I didn't read the self-answser of OP, that he just rebooted Eclipse.
 
@dur yeah the fact that they just restarted is "not likely helpful to others"
 
2:37 PM
It's universal palliative. I fixed a leaky roof, my washing machine and a dangerous heart condition by rebooting Eclipse.
 
RO please delete this cv-pls -- OP changed the question completely
 
@techraf done
 
3:58 PM
@SmokeDetector Won't let me edit that out as it says its mostly code
 
4:09 PM
@JakeSymons Handled :)
 
4:21 PM
I could really use some...
CURRY OWO
User claims he wrote it, so not spam.
 
The question is a bit broad, isn't it?
 
@Compass Only claims that because of another users edit. There was no affiliation disclosed until the edit#.
 
:feelsbadman:
 
4:44 PM
@Makyen @Steve @river a post you've close voted is brought up on meta to argue that only tag holders should be allowed to close vote. Please verify if you have anything to add here
 
5:00 PM
@rene Thanks, I left a comment, and more information on the question.
 
Does every "why does this not work" question need a mcve. Or are there any expectations?
 
Why doesn't this work? sticks head into computer tower
 
@JakeSymons There's always the edge case, where a code dump is all that's needed. Most of the time it's "I have error! HALP!" without any indication of what went wrong
 
If you can't replicate it, it's no-repro
or if it does work, it's no-repro
and user needs to rebuild
 
@JakeSymons IMHO is a Q is asking why their code does not work it should have a MCVE. It doesn't have to be 100% minimal but it shouldn't be a copy and paste of their entire project either.
 
Ron
5:07 PM
o/
 
\/\o/\/
 
Ron
What the world needs today is more binary trees to traverse.
 
Do I get curry? :thonk
 
@Compass Buy some nacho fries and cover them with curry sauce
 
5:15 PM
i tried nacho fries they were average :|
OOH
SUSHI
 
@JakeSymons The on-topic page explicitly states that debugging questions ("why isn't this code doing what I want/expect") require A) the desired behavior; B) a specific problem or error; and C) the shortest code necessary to reproduce the problem (a Minimal, Complete, and Verifiable example). All of these must be in the question itself.
This requirement exists because long experience debugging problems indicates that not having these reduces people to guessing what the problem is (or needing to be clairvoyant). While some situations allow you to make good, or even really good, guesses as to the problem, they're still guesses. While such might help the OP, they are less useful to future visitors.
 
Ron
@Compass I once tried fried silkworms. Once too many :)
 
Always try things once.
I bought sushi. =w= It should satiate my desires.
 
I didn't regret eating kangaroo once. I did regret telling my date about it the evening after.
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5:49 PM
Hi I have a question, why if I come from another account (and I am logged in to SO), I keep getting this message telling me must be logged in: ibb.co/jOW137
 
@KhalilKhalaf That's something you should ask about on meta
 
When you suggest an edit to take out the noise and then it says please add some more details, your post is mostly code, is there anyway around that?
Or can only people with edit privs avoid that message?
 
@JakeSymons Just alert someone with over 2k rep, they can do it
 
@NathanOliver ok thanks
 
6:01 PM
np
 
@JakeSymons feel free to @ me for things like that as well
 
@GrumpyCrouton Everyone here's above 2k expect me aren't they, so I guess I'll put an request in, but only if there's like a lot of noise or edits :)
 
@JakeSymons Not necessarily everyone, but I would say most people are. An request should do just fine
 
I wonder if that is "Nowhere... ha ha ha aren't I funny?" or "Nowhere because it does not exist"
An R package is an off-site resource presumably? Like Nuget or npm?
 
@StephenKennedy Correct.
 
6:16 PM
@StephenKennedy The general advice is "I'm looking for a program that does x, y, and z." -> off-topic.
 
@JakeSymons At a minimum, if you're going to use a request tag, please use the normal *-pls format. In particular, having the - separator between the type of request and the pls makes differentiating requests from question tags easier. [Note: I'm not saying one way or another as to officially supporting that new request type, as any "official" statement would need for us to actually discuss it, at least to some extent.]
 
I bought sushi. =w= It should satiate my desires.
 
at least for a little while.
 
6:33 PM
TOO MUCH FOOD.
explodes
 
"Edit your profile to get the needed reputation", uh, that's how it works?
 
@gunr2171 Perhaps they meant that "real" reputation people IRL speak of.
 
shrug
 
Ron
Sadly, the level of elegance found on SO is often nowhere to be found IRL.
I am talking about software.
 
8 mins ago, by Compass
TOO MUCH FOOD.
2
8 mins ago, by Compass
explodes
Yes, we are elegant in real life as well
 
6:44 PM
@SardarUsama Ugh how has that been open for 2 whole days with nothing
 
Ron
@gunr2171 I've seen some production code that could as well cause blindness.
 
was it written in PHP?
 
Ron
They called it C++.
But it looked more like C to me.
 
ah, the language of weird people, like Nathan.
#CasualBurn
 
Ron
haha
And Justin and Baum and yours truly...
 
6:47 PM
It's so hard to keep track of the tags that members here are experts in. I just remember Nathan as "the c++ guy".
 
@gunr2171 I generally focus on
 
uh, well, um.... sorry for your loss?
 
I appreciate the condolences
 
I am alive.
 
Hi alive. I'm gunr2171.
 
6:49 PM
Hello gunr2171. I am alive.
 
Hello alive. I am Grumpy.
 
That... is a horrible title.
 
One of the worst non-abusive/rude that I've seen @Compass
 
Interpretation: Cat running across number bar while one foot is stuck on the Shift Key.
 
I'm actually surprised StackOverflow allowed that title to even be submitted
Closed in 2 minutes flat
 
6:52 PM
hey it means: "give me ze code" in brainf**k
 
shrug. Spam still gets through, no system is perfect.
 
That's pretty interesting @Jean-FrançoisFabre
@gunr2171 Yeah but I think that one would be pretty simple to resolve, or block in the first place, it's like 90% symbols.
 
@GrumpyCrouton obviously I'm making that up.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I would not have been surprised though
 
no, it would have meant too much effort for the question.
 
6:53 PM
Fair enough
 
Mah, mah... =w= it's already dead.
Take a seat on the egg chair and zone out.
 
Ron
Do you all use version control for small private sporadic projects?
 
@Ron Not generally if I am the only developer
 
Ron
I tend to whizzbang it to Google Drive / Backup.
 
I do for anything that I plan to deploy
Simple Github repo
blep and done.
If it can be done in an hour, then no.
 
6:56 PM
If it's going to take less than 2 hours and I'll never touch it again I'll just leave on my main drive. Everything else gets a Git repo.
 
Ron
I see.
 
@Ron I usually do -- but I sometimes make commits with way too much
 
Its not like github is notoriously hard to use.
I don't bother with committing small pieces.
Just committing when I'm done-ish.
 
Xcode has awesome Git integration, so it makes it super easy. It automatically creates a repo when I create a project, so it's not any extra work.
 
If you don't use version control does that mean you have commitment issues?
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6:59 PM
boom, got'em
 
Ron
Raw command line git is horrible.
 
Ron
Or perhaps I need to automate that.
 
@Ron meh, it can be tricky sometimes but I find it usually works pretty well.
 
Sam
@Ron command line is love, command line is life
 
7:02 PM
download a gui
simplifies life
learn the commands too in case you need to do something and the gui just slogs through it
 
inb4 this branches to a "tabs vs spaces" debate
 
Ron
I've been on Tortoise SVN for long, switching to GIT took some persuasion. With myself.
 
SVN after Git = :thonk:
Best commit message: "Fixes"
 
7:33 PM
@SmokeDetector vlq
 
8:05 PM
jeez that question is a nightmare
there's a fight brewing
 
8:16 PM
thank the lords for OPs deleting their posts when they are N billionth duplicates but still get upvotes
 
@SmokeDetector Close for SU?
 
8:32 PM
@NathanOliver yes, although I'd go with no MCVE to be frank; as it'd just be a rubbish repost on SU without edits imo
 
@Adriaan sounds good.
 
8:53 PM
@techraf not a programming question, better suited for SU or SF.
 
@gunr2171 I do not think that word means what you think ;)
 
maybe Unix if they allow questions for VMs
@NathanOliver ?
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis community FTW, eh? :P
 
@gunr2171 I did not ask for your thoughts, I quoted what OP asked. Someone voted for a custom reason, for me it's unclear.
 
8:55 PM
@techraf oh, never mind me then.
@NathanOliver oh... I didn't edit that word for the record.
 
Weird.
 
oh, crud. I started my edit on version 1 not the latest.
Oh well
 
That'll do it
All betterz now.
BTW, did you sneak your keyboard into work?
 
But I likez to be wealthy...
 
@NathanOliver yes
 
9:02 PM
non imgur link plz
 
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Q: Imgur.com blocked, what are my options?

user1454117My organization's proxy blocks http://i.stack.imgur.com/, and they refuse to lift that block. Is there any way for me to work around that to see screenshots and images users post in questions? While most questions don't include images, the entire meaning of other questions is based on those imag...

^^ follow instructions!!!
 
screenshots of code as images blocked? I'd call that a blessing :)
 
@NathanOliver going through google photos now
 
@gunr2171 ty. They block a lot of stuff at my new company
 
@NathanOliver But you've shown them. Chat.SO 4evar
 
9:12 PM
@gunr2171 U 1-BOX?
 
BECAUSE I WANTED TO
rebel rebel rebel
 
le sigh
 
@Machavity :) They block a lot of file sharing/personal stuff
 
is ssh traffic blocked?
you could tunnel
 
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Q: Request [graceful] shutdown of this tag

rgettmanI recently saw the graceful tag on a question that attempted to describe a way to "finalize gracefully". There are currently 30 questions tagged graceful, and the tag wiki is empty. 20 of them have to do with gracefully shutting down something 4 of them deal with gracefully restarting 2 of the...

 
9:18 PM
idk. I haven't tried and I've never used it (well I did once but I've forgotten now)
 
well it's an option if you want to try it out. I can talk about it tonight if you're interested.
 
@NathanOliver check my profile; I like to talk about quantum mechanics, tunneling included :P
 
lol
@gunr2171 Sure
 
@SmokeDetector wow, that's one hidden obscenity
 
Last time I did run an SSH tunnel I had to report to the security officer ...
 
9:24 PM
@rene I once tried tunneling my coffee trough from the coffee room to my office. The cleaners weren't happy for some reason...
 
depends on if they track that data
 
@Adriaan try that with a fust beer
 
@rene That is somewhat sturdier, and hopefully won't explode when I throw it forcefully against the wall :P
 
10:11 PM
Three completely wrong answers, and a the only correct code is in the question..‌​. Believe me...
 
10:27 PM
@Ron Yes, I generally try to use version control, even on smaller, personal, projects, because I've never wished I hadn't used version control, and I've often wished I had done so. I'm not perfect, but once you use your backups to recover old versions a time or two, using version control on a regular basis really looks like a good idea.
 

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