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4:46 AM
@dur No need to apologize. We may have miscommunicated. I wasn't frustrated about you or your note. I thought I was joining you in frustration with a company completely moving their support forum to SO without even a minimal nod to telling their users that questions on SO need to be on topic, mentioning the "discussions" that they had in their forum, that "a better community experience awaits us all at stackoverflow.com",
and giving a direct map from their forum categories to SO tags. In other words, setting their users and the SO community up for an ongoing large number of off-topic questions, which is bad for both SO and their users. My comment about 3.5 years ago was that I just found it out by reading the page you linked and the linked blog about moving to SO. Frankly, I was visualizing the probably high percentage of off-topic questions on all the linked tags, and really wanting to not go look.
 
5:13 AM
Is this C# question a duplicate?
 
5:40 AM
This seems kind of weird - the OP has a single question from a year and a half ago. Someone just answered with a link-only answer, and the OP accepted it within seconds of it being posted (even though there was already another, higher-quality answer that even linked to the same site).
Any chance of sock puppetry?
 
5:52 AM
..actually, more like 'gimme teh complete architecture, design and functional spec' :(
 
Ack my last request was the wrong link
 
@EJoshuaS Seems a bit odd. Even though the OP would be notified of a new answer, accepting in that time-frame is unusual, but maybe they had already found their solution at that link, but never posted an answer. Sounds like it's worth a custom mod flag explaining your concerns. The answer is certainly NAA (link-only) & I flagged as such.
@EJoshuaS This one?
 
@Makyen Yes
 
@Makyen Thanks
 
5:57 AM
@EJoshuaS Anytime.
@EJoshuaS It seems like this could be alleviated by using the userscript or bookmarklet. Creating requests by hand is a pain in the rear.
 
^Is that spam?
 
@EJoshuaS I wouldn't go there. Probably just some well meaning, but poorly informed individual.
 
6:37 AM
hello
 
o/
 
7:18 AM
@AlexanderO'Mara I can't believe you already have 13 hats. Is there a hat chat this year?
 
Thanks
 
7:39 AM
\o
 
8:10 AM
Plop everyone!
 
@PaulStenne \o
 
I'm so out of sync I didn't even realise it's hat time again
 
I didn't even know about hat time!
I have a query. A user posted a question that was promptly closed as a duplicate (correctly - even the titles are equivalent!) without being answered. The user edited the question claiming (s)he was "not sure of the answer" in the duplicate (5 answers), and then re-posted the same question. I managed to get the second question closed as a duplicate of the first, but not before a high-rep cucumber got in with an answer identical to one in the duplicate!
Would a del-pls (20k) on the user's second question be appropriate, or is there some other way to handle this?
 
@PaulStenne It only started a few hours ago. So, you're not that out of sync. :-)
 
@robinCTS You typo'ed "user" into "cucumber" though
 
8:20 AM
@PaulStenne Oops! My bad ;-)
 
Please don't in the future.
Not much to be done there except notify the high-rep that another answer exists, then move on.
While being polite and no vegetable-name-calling. This isn't the Python room =p
@Makyen Ah, great ^-^'
 
@PaulStenne I was more concerned about what to do with the poster of the question, specifically the second question posted.
 
I assumed "identical" was an hyperbola by the way, if it's not and the answer is copy/pasted it's plagiarized and worth a mod flag
@robinCTS Link to the help center and explain why their actions were unhelpful to the site and frowned upon. Might be worth linking to Meta too. Of course, only if you feel like you can actually reach to them and they're not just going to leave now that they've had their answer...
 
Yeah, "equivalent" would be more appropriate.
 
I figured
 
8:25 AM
@PaulStenne Already posted lots of links in comments.
 
Plop Thaillie =D
@robinCTS Greener pastures time then...
 
@PaulStenne Agreed. As for the green vegies, I tend to leave them alone.
 
8:45 AM
@LW001 Please make sure to use SmokeDetector if you find spam or abusive content, don't just link it into the room.
 
Can I report to it?
 
Maybe..? I completely forgot how perm management works in SD
Might need a PR to add you to the list
What was it again...
!!/amiprivileged
 
@PaulStenne ✓ You are a privileged user.
 
^ try dis
 
!!/amiprivileged
 
8:47 AM
@LW001 ╳ You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
 
@PaulStenne it needs to be approved by an RO of this room ...
 
Thought so
 
@rene Do we have any of those?
 
I have no idea, I just came passing by
 
This place is really poorly managed amiright
 
8:49 AM
You can say that, yes
 
@LW001 If you have SmokeDetector (SD) privileges, then you can using the SD command !!/report [post URL]. If you don't, then [tag:spam] [post URL] or [tag:offensive] [post URL] can be used.
 
By the time I've typed that on my phone it's already deleted seventy times but I'll remember it
 
^ Also allows us not to manually clean-up after requests...
 
9:25 AM
'Daily close vote limit reached; please try again in 14 hours' :(
 
Mr. RoboCloser
 
All I want for Christmas is 2.4 times as many CVs, (apologies to Mogsdad:).
 
dur
@Makyen I agree with you and following quote of a comment in the Spring Blog affirmed our frustration: SO have very bad reputation. Huge user base is nothing when your question closed with reason that you don't fit community dumb rules. Especially when decision to close your question made by users that know about Spring nothing and they didn't provide reason for closing. {smell like a home work} and {the question will likely trigger discussions and opinions} are essence of SO.
 
@dur I've never understood why the fact that a community has rules is so difficult to understand and why, when you break the rules, the community does not like it. I mean, I may disagree with dumb laws and stupid courts after I shot dead my wife's lover, but hey, guess what, off I go to prison anyway..
 
10:11 AM
@MartinJames Too Broad
What I want for Christmas:
40 cvs so I can spam the Close button in the CV Queue (skipping the occasional rare Leave Open/Edit)
20 cvs so I can spam the Triage Queue's Unsalvageable button (skipping the couple of OKs/Edits)
10 cvs so I can hit the low quality question targets of LQP Queue answers
30 cv bonus because I've been very good and would like to spread the Christmas cheer to needy and deserving questions (by helping out those poor, hardworking, deserving people in SOCVR)
^ 50 cv bonus for Martin because he's been extra good ;)
 
when was there last featured burnination? Looks like nothing is happening for quite a bit of time..
I think this one could be a good candidate -- meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/335362/a-moving-violation
 
@VadimKotov due to Cody taking it easier I guess ....
 
I think this one was the latest meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/321966/…
 
11:16 AM
Can someone advise me on a suggested edit? When reviewing this edit the editor changed a comment in the code relating to a result of the function, however when I tested it I obtained the result the answerer had originally posted, what should I do in this case seeing as the edit got accepted?
 
11:31 AM
@NickA Roll back the edit to the previous version. Leave a comment for the editor suggesting that in future (s)he refrain from editing code in answers.
 
@robinCTS ta
 
@NickA In future you can force a reject by doing a Reject & Edit with a dummy edit.
 
What is the winter bash hat thing
 
DID SOMEONE SAY HATS
Where are them HATZ
 
lol
 
11:40 AM
I'm probably one of few to click I hate hats
 
Why, oh why did you tell me I could get HATS. I need to get out of my pyjama's and get to university ASAP
 
@robinCTS @NickA I'm not sure the edit is futile. Normally code should not be edited, but to correct obvious flaws. Reading the other comments in the snippet (but not the question and rest of the post), that one looks ok to me.
 
I just love the selection "I hate hats" existing
 
Where do you always find these
 
11:50 AM
@LW001 On youtube apparently;-)
@LW001 If you ask "how": That's one of the few advantages getting older: you pile up a lot of memories. Of course one has to be able to take advantage of them, too. That's where many people fail.
 
Holy crap the hats are amazing
I need more
 
12:08 PM
@Olaf Perhaps, but through my testing the editor is introducing a flaw, although I don't know if it's browser related
 
HAZ HAT
Now must run to university
 
I have four hatz now
Your This Is Fine actually fits amazingly
 
12:51 PM
@NickA I don't see how a comment can result in wrong program behaviour (after all, it should not). Anyway, I stated my general opinion without further inverstigation. I just mean not every edit in code by anyone else than the OP is malicious.
 
@Olaf The edit itself is not within the code but a comment within the code. The comment states the result of the code running however, and the comment was changed from the previously correct result to an incorrect result
 
@NickA AFAIK null evaluates as false in conditions. And comments should not just repeat the obvious (such comments are plain unhelpful), but the semantics, so it could be very well correct. Anyway, I did not want to discuss this particular edit, but to relativate the strict "do not edit code" statement of @robinCTS. That was all.
 
1:13 PM
Hey, they added a SOCVR hat
 
 
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2:41 PM
@Olaf @MartinJames @BDL a question that you deleted is discussed on meta
 
@rene Yeah, thanks. A nonsensically high voted dupe, double tagged and a crybaby not able to google (and most likely for the lost reps).
 
yeah I'm not surprised you react like that.
 
3:03 PM
@rene Serious question: From how you know me or from now that user (re)acts? He continues the passive-aggressive terms. I posted a link to the chat now. I'll back up before I say something unfriendly (in my scale, I don't think I already crossed the line).
 
@Olaf from how I know you.
 
@rene Well, now I wish I hadn't, but had to ask … ;-)
 
@Olaf well, keep an open mind is all I can say. You're clever enough to know you can be a overwhelming to less gifted people.
 
But yeah, that guy upset me, as he already started a discussion at the original question, did not show effort. And I'm very sure there was a question very recently which had the exactly same subject plus multiple tag-edits for C and C++. On second thought, it feels like a repost of that other question. I'll dig a bit if I find something.
@rene Oh, I always appreciate your feedback. As my mother always told me: "if you can't stand the echo don't yell into the valley", or: "if you can't stand the waves don't swim in the sea". But Yes, I tend to forget a lot of (most?!) people can't.
 
3:24 PM
@rene If I never see another question about signed/unsigned conversions/promotions/limits/shifts/whatever, it'll be a billion years too soon. Every possible version has been duped at some stage.
 
Could you please advise, is my request a duplicate? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/360619/…
 
@MartinJames does it has more dupes then i++ + ++i;?
 
@VadimKotov I don't recollect seeing it before.
 
@MartinJames Take a look at link provided in my post
 
@rene In C I'd say is comes third or so. After that one and some kind of UB.
 
3:27 PM
@rene No. One less, or maybe -1 more.
 
For anyone who doesn't want to be bothered by the winterbash icon, you can add this style to Stylish for SO.com to remove it: nav.secondary-nav ol > li:nth-child(4) { display: none; }
 
@VadimKotov Ah.. TLA confusion:)
 
@VadimKotov it is not but I would use the full title of that other question and clear it is answered and accepted
 
3:41 PM
Reee
 
The user is linking to a suspicious exe file stackoverflow.com/questions/47795420/hiding-www-directory what should I do about it?
 
user4639281
How is rene wearing a hat?
 
user4639281
Crap, is it hat time again?
 
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS.
these hats seem insane
I will keep my bread
 
3:58 PM
@TinyGiant he is not
 
@TinyGiant yeah.... bah humbug and all that...
 
uh oh, there're no more questions in the CVQ
 
user4639281
@JonClements Damn kids and their hats, always ruinining my lawn!
 
If they go onto your property - shoot 'em! :) That'll make those other kids re-think the whole "hat" thing...
 
@JonClements bah homburg and all that...
 
Lots of people seem to be liking the "Ooh, Shiny!" hat...
 
Yup, I'm one of them
 
@FrankerZ Not sure whether that poster has a point or not but, to avoid legal problems, I suggest that we give his/her money back and call it a day.
 
I like my this is fine one. Where do you get the shiny one?
 
@FrankerZ I got a shiny too, but I don't know why.
 
4:04 PM
 
@FrankerZ lol
 
Zoe
@MartinJames Spoilers
 
@Zoe lol, 'Shiny might be for casting a close vote on a question that gets closed' SOCVR must be so bright by now:)
 
Ron
Hats off.
 
@FrankerZ That just so works for you :)
 
Ron
4:16 PM
Oddly maybe that answer answers a question.
 
Damn, went to retract my spam vote, and already ate a decline
Still think it's borderline spam
 
Must be the time of the year with heavy discussion about every single reputation point. Or is it just me having the impression meta complaints about close/deletes massively increased? (and bad questions by not-so-low-rep users)
@genpfault How can actual code be API independent??
 
I think OP was referring to being independent of the underlying graphics API (OpenGL/DirectX)
 
@genpfault Well, then use an abstraction layer. But that will also have an API, so use another abstraction layer, but that will … <stack overflow detected>
Nevermind, afk
 
@Olaf It's free. The OP puts 30 seonds into copypasta, and user-mods put 60 secs into closing the question. OP puts another 30 seconds into a meta moan, and user-mods put 5 minutes into justifying the close. I don't even bother to read the meta moans now, I just downvote them, in the same way as I treat 'I'm trying to learn buffer overflow...'.
@Machavity Yay! Something I can do. I've been out of dv/cv since this morning.
 
4:41 PM
uhh...
 
looks f-ey to me
 
It's in his code. Not spam
 
@Cœur You sure you wanted a del-pls on that? The question isn't even closed.
 
it will be closed soon enough... non-English content is always deleted
 
Even for PHP, that looks bad.
 
4:49 PM
@Cœur Will Roomba now
 
OK. Thank you. :)
 
@Cœur True. But, It's normally left to Roomba. Delete-votes are a quite scarce resource. Del-votes from 20k+ users even more so (10k+ only get to vote on questions once they're closed for 2 days). It's generally a good idea to expend del-votes primarily on things which will not be deleted in a reasonable amount of time. If something needs to be deleted rapidly, a del-pls is appropriate.
 
@Cœur That's not necessary. Roomba is automatic
 
@Cœur Roomba is an automatic process (a script run by SE). For closed questions it runs daily. For the other four tasks that it does, it runs weekly. If you would like to be informed of the Roomba status for each question, Roomba Forecaster, a userscript I wrote, will do that.
 
All I want for Christmas is twice as many DVs.
But I appreciate that you are explaining all this to me. :)
 
5:04 PM
@Cœur We very specifically do not request up- or down-votes here.
 
sorry
 
^ that (nija'ed). @Cœur Now, that doesn't mean that you can't down-vote bad content, or even down-vote so you can delete-vote. However, your up-/down-vote should always be about the content of the post, not the effects that your up-/down-vote will have (or about the user, etc.; just the content of that post).
 
Downvote to delete or because it's bad is fine. Downvote to trigger Roomba is not
 
@Machavity It's not down-vote so you can delete-vote. It's down-vote because the post is bad content worthy of a down-vote. The point Shog9 was making was that if you think it is worth a delete-vote, then you should almost certainly feel it is also worthy of a down-vote. That the situation described happened to require that those votes occur in a specific order was secondary.
 
5:17 PM
@Machavity Why would DVing help to delete?
 
@Olaf Delete-voting for 20k+ users often requires a post to be below a certain score threshold (-3 for questions that are closed, but not yet closed for 2 days, and -1 for answers). The specific situation is described in this Meta post.
 
@MartinJames But that has not changed before. But maybe that particular one is part my fault. I told OP to meta if he wants more. I really shouldn't have as the passive-agressive request for explanation continues ther, of course and I put more than 5 minutes into that. You're right, just let them cry, don't even think about giving a handkerchief.
@Makyen Thanks, I wasn't aware of that (and I somehow doubt I'll ever be in that situation;-)
 
@Olaf np. Well, you're halfway there. Even if you stop answering, it's not unreasonable for you to get a significant amount of rep by people voting on older posts over a period of years.
 
@Makyen Check my graph. I drift around that reps since more than a year now. The incoming up-votes roughly compensate for the DV for bad answers. But, hey, maybe the next C standard version will bring good new questions (and Santa will come through the chimney in few days)
 
5:36 PM
@Olaf I just looked at the rep graph in your profile. My first thought was: I need to break out an o-scope and see where the noise on that step function is coming from. :-) You never know, every once in a while there are good, interesting questions, despite the vast majority.
 
@Makyen Yep; I have gotten 2,000 reputation from one answer alone, and over half of that came in years other than the one I posted the answer in
 
@Makyen Yeah, but then there are deleted users, too. I lost some 10 reps for multiple users being flushed. I consider myself lucky, though, there was only 1 or 2 votes each. Must be related to the last major sweep. But well, I'm fine with my reps; except a C gold badge might be interesting. Still not worth cucumbering.
 
5:53 PM
FYI I have put another 45 or so questions in the CV Queue - Most are resource requests but some are POB or Too Broad.
3
 
Well, stop doing that! Now we have to go over that queue .... again ....
 
Oh there's much more to do yet...
just going through the unclosed questions with 'good' in the title gives me over 500 results
and there's a good chance every question in that query is close-worthy...
 
user4639281
FYI I have put another 45 or so ounces of coffee in my gullet - Most of it was good, but some of it had grounds in it.
5
 
6:13 PM
I think that was deleted too quickly
 
user4639281
@micsthepick you deleted it?
 
no, the asker did I think
 
user4639281
@micsthepick The asker can't delete other peoples posts
 
user4639281
From the signature it just says it was deleted, it doesn't say by who for some reason.
 
oops, I meant to link the question
not my answer
 
user4639281
6:20 PM
Ohh.
 
user4639281
Well the answer was deleted at the very exact same second it was posted, so they likely could not see the answer when they were deleting the question.
 
user4639281
Nothing we can do about it at this point other than move on.
 
@micsthepick Op deleted own question since your answer was not upvoted. We could undelete it but to me that seems like a fairly common dupe, I'm not convinced we need another sign post.
 
sounds fine anyway
 
Yeah I would just carry on and find something else that is interesting to answer
 
6:47 PM
I'm with @PetterFriberg (here). If not a dupe, it lacks a [mcve], as OP does not really state what the "desired output" is for that line. Also the code is incomplete. Not worth keeping. Maybe you consider flagging (once you got enough reps: closing) such bad questions instead of answering.
 
Someone's plagiarising one of my answers. Is there something I can do except mod-flagging, since the wait time is rather long currently?
 
@ErikvonAsmuth You could a) smoke/dring you preferred relaxant or b) Play a round of your favourite killer game. There is an option c, but I don't want to see you arrested ;-)
 
@Olaf Solid advice Olaf. Wolfenstein it is ;)
 
@ErikvonAsmuth Well, soon I'll follow it, too. But it's Fallout 4 for me ;-)
 
@ErikvonAsmuth If you think it's serial plag user we can run user on Gut in SOBotics, but you need to pass user link in that chat not this, ping me or Felix if you like to check
 
6:57 PM
=w=
 
@PetterFriberg I think I'll pass on that, it's a starting user with few questions, and the others don't look plagiarized. I'll just take Olaf's advice, it's already running on my main screen
 
7:13 PM
@ErikvonAsmuth I prefeer dead by daylight, even if I'm fairly bad at that...
 
7:30 PM
Anyone here know arabic?
I can't translate this stackoverflow.com/a/47799598/5292302, correctly to understand if only NAA or abusive.
 
I don't think it's abusive
 
@FrankerZ yeah maybe it's just asking for clarification, google is making a mess when trying to translate.
 
@PetterFriberg Not an answer I would say assuming it's in an unknown language. p.s. I know a little bit of arabic and can tell you that their alphabet is different (dude that was racist, cause you can't translate it, it is arabic? lol, kidding)
 
@Masoud no racism, google identified as arabic, with this translation "Madar code is the t-they are t-enlisted are Tu"
 
@PetterFriberg That was a joke, sorry if it wasn't funny ;)
 
7:39 PM
np, I just wanted to clarify ;)
 
about the answer, I think it's some sort of Hindi or something.
And after a bit more search I can tell you that it is abusive as it has the word mother (Madar) in it and pictures that I found searching the sentence weren't nice.
 
@Masoud Yes, Hindi and abusive in 2 sec it's deleted
 
@TinyGiant har har
 
8:03 PM
Out of votes. Goodbye stupid questions, hello Commonwealth!
 
8:23 PM
@Masoud apart from being a boring debug my code question, what code is missing?, I see error, I see code (note: I'm not a r user)
 
@PetterFriberg You don't see the data. So you cannot reproduce the error. OP asks about an error from linear model function which is most of time has something to do with the data. Apart from that, we even don't know on which line the error has shown up.
 
Thanks for info
If you like to help OP and lost cv reviewers like me consider to add a comment
 
user4639281
8:54 PM
@TylerH Oh you think that's funny now, do ya
 
user4639281
Vandalism, the harmless kind
 
@TinyGiant indeed, 45 ounces is light weight
 
user4639281
9:32 PM
@TylerH well, that depends on what it is more than.
 
9:58 PM
Hi all! o/
 
@BaummitAugen Hai shark!
 
=D
> Jsoup or me ??? Where is the f**k
Good question. ponders
 
@BaummitAugen You mean Ponder Stibbons?
 
A whole new world
I don't know the books tbh. I suppose I should?
That's a lot of books though! 0.o
 
 
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11:16 PM
c# dupe hammer should work. I also edited it to have c# tag
 
11:29 PM
@BaummitAugen done. but was not sure what to put as the reason.
 
cool. will keep that meta in mind next time.
 
@Nkosi @BaummitAugen I've left a comment for the user with a link to that Meta.
 
+1, thanks
 
@BaummitAugen np. I just didn't want multiple people leaving notes, as that can be negative. Most people respond well to politely providing them with the information as to what the policy/consensus is (backed by links to appropriate Meta posts). Doing anything beyond that is really something that moderators should handle, if the issue is even something significant enough to flag.
 
11:44 PM
@Makyen Tbh, I probably should have left the link in the rejection reason. With your comment, all is clear now.
 

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