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2:02 AM
Feeling sad, doing some curation of a tag that often gets misused. Keep coming across horrendous questions old enough for the Roomba, but which have been upvoted. Far too many to cover with .
 
 
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3:52 AM
@KenWhite Seems like customer support for your favorite company (at least if the OP is asking about the back end).
 
 
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5:15 AM
Is this trolling?
 
5:37 AM
@EJoshuaS yes
 
6:10 AM
^It's actually a mildly interesting question now that it's salvaged
 
 
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8:00 AM
@mickmackusa ok to close but not sure about those comment that you have left, I would refrain from leaving meta comments about how people vote on someone's posts, this is not the purpose of comments.
 
both answers are copy paste dump from different sources chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/40208749#40208749
 
@SurajRao no but incorrect attribution (referencing), you need to use >, futrhmore you can't copy a whole article to SO, you can custom mod flag that one for incorrect referencing and I guess mod will delete it.
 
@PetterFriberg yeah flagged both with source link
 
@SurajRao hmm
 
@PetterFriberg Oh..I suppose we can expect a mod to request help in flagging user's plagiarized content.. I am waiting till the flag is taken care of
 
8:14 AM
I'm flagging the rest...
 
 
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9:59 AM
o/
 
10:15 AM
What reason can we use to close this, (if any): stackoverflow.com/q/47528069/758133 'Great, I am on a couple of tests' do my test for me, plus cucumbers actually answered this pointer garbage:(
 
BDL
@MartinJames Doesn't look off-topic to me. Showing some code and asking why it has a specific behavior sounds fine to me
 
@BDL That's what Ithought:((
 
10:33 AM
^smokey report
 
Ron
o/
Hello World!
All cv reviewing and no fun?
 
\o
 
Ron
Do you think this one is unclear? Why there is a n-1 condition in bubble sort algorithm? Should we really answer these kind of basic questions?
 
Morning o/
Is this off topic?
 
Ron
@Bugs I'd say yes.
By todays standards.
 
10:43 AM
I am confused how this 1 month old question has not been roomba'd as yet
 
@Ron it certainly looks it but I was unsure of what reason to use
@Nkosi two comments
I think that actually stops the roomba
 
@Bugs ah right, that's what blocks the 30 day roomba, yea
 
oh so the comments did that?
 
the deleted answer might help as well
 
ok i see
 
10:46 AM
The 30 day roomba should've caught this, unless the deleted answer is interfering. The comments only effect the yearly-roomba cc @Nkosi @Bugs
 
Ron
Just look at the upvotes on the answer. Is this what SO has become. A bubble sort algorithm nanny? Tsk tsk tsk.
Things might improve after the second cup of coffee.
 
@Adriaan hm, maybe a meta post to clear up the why then
 
@Bugs feel free to create one. The only thing I, as a mere mortal, can see is that there's a deleted answer which might trigger the "no answers" clause
 
Meh, I'm not that fussed plus with me being a pleb (less than 10k) I can't see anything now haha
 
Ron
@Bugs If it's any comfort there are some C++ superstars hovering around 6K. They simply don't care about the reps.
 
10:50 AM
:) I feel the same. I haven't looked for rep much since hitting 3k. Quite happy to just sit in SOBotics and flag all the NAAs. When I get chance of course.
 
11:07 AM
@SmokeDetector Someone close voting "because it's spam" again... >,<
wow, modnuke after 46 seconds.
@SmokeDetector that's NAA. Question is customer support
 
11:30 AM
@mega6382 That question is not asking for a tool recommendation. It's asking how to use a specific API to do something. It's got no details that indicate the OP put any effort into it, which could be a different close reason... but the OP self-answered, so there is value in the full Q&A, despite its unorthodoxy.
 
@Mogsdad I thought "no effort" was merely a downvote reason, not a close vote one?
 
..."no mcve", depending on the question. Hence, "could be".
 
11:50 AM
@FireAlarm self-Q/A. I CV-ed as unclear due to the poor question state
 
12:01 PM
@Mogsdad Cucumbering reps?
 
Only reason. And it's not good!
 
@Mogsdad The other edit was pointless, too, yet approved.
 
12:54 PM
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Q: It is safe to burn all of our [documentation]

Robert ColumbiaThe documentation tag seems to be a hangout for miscellaneous questions, many of them off-topic resource requests for links to outside documentation. 1. Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous? No, the tag is used for resource requests for ou...

 
1:22 PM
@SurajRao yeah you are right... seems like another user that have a history of defacing posts..
 
1:37 PM
 
Apparently @Compass is an Amazon deal of the day
 
I'm not really sure why, but I want to pay money to get that
 
Hello. I just reached "10k" (yeah!), and now I see a "delete" button under many questions, but I do not see any guidance on what to vote or not vote for deletion. Can anyone help me to find the recommendations on what should be voted for deletion?
 
For requests here, we've got this section of the faq
also "Delete Vote Requests are for when you find a post that needs to be absolutely removed from the site. Please use this only when absolutely necessary. We also ask that you have the power to delete vote before you request votes from others."
 
@CÅ“ur There's this page on 10k privs which talks about what SO wants in deletion
 
1:55 PM
vote to delete for "questions that are of no lasting value whatsoever" ... hum, sounds like this description could apply for most "off-topic" questions actually.
 
Also, be sure to note if a deletion request is for 20k users. As a 10k, you can only delete questions closed for 2 days or more.
 
oh, I'm a necromancer, I only look at old posts anyway.
thanks @PetterFriberg @Machavity @gunr2171
 
I have a SEDE query if you need to find questions you've close voted on that are eligible for deletion
It's pretty raw tho. Someday I'll revisit it and make it do the linking thing
 
Yeah cook it some...
 
2:14 PM
@CÅ“ur Congrats
@CÅ“ur yes, typically the only closed questions that are debatable for deletion are duplicates, because good signposts are useful
 
can an accepted answer be deleted with enough downvotes?
 
@TimCastelijns If it's negative score, yes
@EJoshuaS Not really offensive. More NAA. Del voted
 
but please don't downvote something just so you can delete vote it
 
what if it's bad/useless, and mine?
 
2:38 PM
I know it's not something you normally should be doing, but I thought this case might be an exception
 
I think their point was don't downvote so it will Roomba (which is what they were trying to do). Roomba will only delete if everything is negative, so you had mass voting to trigger that
It is acceptable to downvote something specifically so you can delete vote it (per Shog9)
The difference is you only need to downvote the specific thing you want to delete, as opposed to everything in a given question
 
I have a really bad answer somewhere that happens to be accepted in 2014. I found a perfect dupe with like 30 upvotes. I think it would be best to close as dupe and delete my answer. I have requested the close, but can't delete the answer on my own
it's in the post of my last cv-pls
 
I'd mod flag it. Or you can NAA it and let the reviewers do it for you
 
wouldn't it be abuse if I purposely make it NAA so it will get deleted?
 
it would get reverted I think
 
2:48 PM
Oh, you just edited that in. Missed that. Yeah, don't NAA
 
I could leave it as it is, but I don't think it has any value
 
In all honesty, I think your edit needs to be rolled back now anyways, Your original answer looked good, and if I were to see it in any other context I'd consider it self-vandlaism
 
Where is the "Delete Votes" queue? I don't see it on stackoverflow.com/review
 
Click on the Delete tab at the top
It's not really a queue tho. If you want a real queue try Magic Tag
 
it looked good but it was wrong. It was pointed out today, hence my search for a dupe
 
2:55 PM
Thank you again @Machavity. And why some are light blue and others strong blue links?
 
@CÅ“ur The light blue links have votes, but you can't vote on them. Either you don't have privs (i.e. it shows delete votes answers, even to 10k) or it's no longer eligible (i.e. no longer negative)
 
oh OK. I'll focus on regular blue ones.
 
The left number is how many votes it has, the right shows how many remain to delete
 
Whoa, new review icon i.stack.imgur.com/EvdQS.png
 
yes, I got it
 
3:19 PM
@PatrickHofman See my last post; when they asked the same question 6 hours ago it was clearer, so it just needs to be closed as a dup.
 
@Servy Time to drink some more coffee :-P
 
Ron
Edited.
 
What is this, an 1800s Coca Cola factory?
 
Ron
Apparently there is a International prohibition of coca leaf‌​.
 
Well yes I mean it makes cocaine so
 
3:24 PM
@Servy Ah, me too. Had already voted.
Thanks for the heads-up though.
 
3:37 PM
@Ron Read the first paragraph carefully again. There is not.
 
Ron
@Olaf Huh?
 
@Ron The cultivation, sale, and possession of unprocessed coca leaf (but not of any processed form of cocaine) is generally legal in the countries – such as …
 
Ron
4 listed
 
(And wouldn't that be better in the ministry?)
 
Ron
out of 195
Perhaps wikipedians forgot to include the Germany too?
;)
 
3:45 PM
@Ron "Such as" is not exclusive. And that rule about outrooting was strongly enforced by certain interest groups who wanted to 1) sell that stuff on their own (read about the CIA-Contra connection) and 2) The pharmaceutical industry. Maybe such complex sujects should not be discussed here (and not really be joked about)
 
Are we done with and ?
 
Ron
4:00 PM
@Olaf Feel free to disagree with me on the subject.
 
@Ron Which subject? You did not state anything. The rest is clearly written. There is nothing to agree/disagree about facts.
 
Ron
@Olaf Can you lend 500€? Be a sport.
There is 90+% chance I will return it in 30 days.
God I miss that SE Asian La Isla Bonita.
 
4:17 PM
@Ron Sorry, I sent my last money to the widow of the late King Mbunba Abndele of Nigeria. She said she will return 10000% of the money which was locked by corrupt bankers.
 
@Ron That's oddly specific
 
Ron
@TylerH Haha, true. I consider Singapore to be my Isla Bonita. Unlike Madonna who prefers San Pedro.
@Olaf Good investment.
 
@TimCastelijns I revisited that answer, rolled it back, and then added your explanation at the top. The subsequent edit doesn't really help users and this way your original answer still stands but points people in the right direction
 
@Makyen Those sneaky Dutch that try to by-pass our rules ....
 
4:55 PM
@rene They might be more successful at sneaking it past us if they didn't explicitly tell us that's what they did. :-)
 
5:11 PM
@Makyen I guess we like to be transparent ....
 
5:42 PM
@rene Really? I can't see that.
 
@Mogsdad Isn't that the definition of transparency?
 
6:04 PM
@rene It is just bypass these days in English
 
@TylerH glad I didn't by pass the - then ...
 
I am being sold an Amazon! Apparently!
 
@rene you
 
Pick me eating ice cream, a donut, or potato chips. =w=
 
6:22 PM
@Compass So you're on diet again.
 
I ate a chicken.
 
6:44 PM
I ruined it.
Was reading an article about how NK hasn't launched a missile since September.
Breaking news: NK launches ballistic missile.
 
@TylerH Which question are you referring to here?:
Please stop reopen voting off-topic questions. — TylerH 31 mins ago
I'm not aware of recently having done this, so I'll need specifics to figure out what I did wrong.
 
@doppelgreener the algorithm one and the C# class definition one IIRC
 
(I'm not sure what the algorithm one would be, but those are the two recent reopen votes in my history.)
Anyway I'm interested to learn if you can clarify the specifics, but for future reference you should probably provide those up front. I do a lot of reviewing, but it's not like I log into reviews going "oh boy, what off-topic questions can I vote to reopen today?". I won't know what I've done wrong from a comment like that unless it's pointing me to what I've done.
 
7:00 PM
Yes regexes sorry, just a form of algorithm. The regex question is 'no repro'; Jeremy's answer shows that OP is incorrect, so there's not really anything to answer
 
@TylerH Thanks. I originally read that as just asking about a regex pattern (which has a pretty straightforward answer), and didn't see the answer.
 
As for the 2nd one - it's a resource request combined with a tutorial request "how do I use this aspect of X". The answer is decent but those types of questions are typically considered off-topic. Though this one is far closer to the 'decent' side of such questions than the 'hi gimme codez for X' side
 
I would've thought "so what's this programming feature for and how do I use it?" would be on topic.
 
@TylerH I agree with delving the regex question (so I delved as well), but am unsure about the other one. The answers seem rather good there, regardless of question state
 
Anyway yeah good call on that regex, thanks.
 
7:27 PM
@user0042 Another not-developer who thinks that testing/debugging is a third-class activity that is only fit for drones/slaves:(
 
Ron
Should there be a type-in option when flagging as "belongs to other site"? I had this question in mind.
 
@MartinJames It's just the opposite. The real debugging skills are what's made up by experience and instinct. A (young) colleague outperformed me regarding some weird compiler Delphi compiler emits interfacing with Windows COM interfaces. I'm still willing to learn about that stuff, and how to fix the bugs, it never stopped throughout my career.
@Ron I'm pretty sure that was asked before.
 
Ron
Appreciate it. I am stranger to meta.
 
@Ron IMHO, there shoudl be no migration options given at all. If a Q does not belong on SO, the OP should go looking for where it might be on-topic.
 
7:36 PM
As the FAQ says, all members are expected to memorize all Q&A in Meta.
5
 
Ron
Some meta answers seem so detached from reality that I've decided not to participate in it any more.
 
@Ron Just one more reason not to "Do it again". Participate in the more interesting parts of the sites and quality ensurance.
 
I actually followed a 3-deep dup chain, with multiple branches, to get to that root Q.
 
@Mogsdad Yes, sure! LOL :-D ...
 
Ron
Although by looking at that bare-bone Raspberry Pi code skeleton I've just restored my faith in those platforms.
At least it is C++-ish.
 
7:42 PM
@Ron There may be further initializations needed for enabling specific GPIOs (devices). Such can be done with appropriate module init scripts in linux systems (mod_probe and such stuff).
 
Ron
@user0042 That sounds fun. As long as it isn't C only I am all for it.
 
@Ron Well, write a class to encapsule a GPIO interface. There are several states and operations that can be well encapsuled with an appropriate c++ class that interns the device interactions.
 
All yalls with your hardware owo
 
Ron
@user0042 Seems like a straightforward approach.
 
@Ron The nice thing with *nix systems is that everything's a file (handle) you can easily intern into your C++ API's.
 
Ron
7:50 PM
@user0042 The very same thing mentioned on my last interview.
I wasn't aware of that.
 
owo
 
Ron
@user0042 The showstopper was when I was asked to do some Academia array shuffling. Needles to say that wears my patience thin.
 
@Ron Restricted not to use std::shuffle() I'd guess ;-D ....
 
Ron
@user0042 Even better. Rotate all string characters around a mid character. Took some persuasion to explain to them it's called reversing. And no Standard Library off course.
 
@Ron You should just "keep your pants on", when it comes to such silly questions.
 
Ron
7:55 PM
@user0042 Now you tell me.
The people call them selves members of R&D. They consider new language features as needless bling and GitHub as Facebook for code.
But, instead of endless whining one must move on, right?
@Compass is hiring or so I heard from @Machavity.
 
Yes I am looking for a few good foodies to help me find tasty food.
(and/or if you want to become a software contractor we can make you one)
 
@Ron Well, no need to diminish such skills. I once had to figure out a circular queue abstraction together with a colleague. Plain pointer arithmethics and c-style stuff. It needed us two for a whole day, to make all that production safe and capture all the pitfalls.
 
the trick there is to not use C :P
 
Very small subcontractor. And I don't subcontract out so it'd be you and one other person owo
 
Ron
The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it's C.
 
8:01 PM
When I was in college, we were still learning C++ for the intro class.
I was one of the few freshmen for it. Did pretty well.
Then sophomore year came and BAM, Java switch.
 
Ron
@user0042 I am aware of the KISS. But those guys have taken their KISS-es to the extremes.
 
@Compass Did they teach c++, or c in disguise?
 
101->102 was C
 
Ron
The latter probably.
 
201 was C++
202 was Java
Changed because I took a math course rather than finishing 202.
Pretty sure I'm too far engrained into Java to switch back. My friend on the other hand hates Java.
At this point I'd probably just do C#
 
8:06 PM
@Compass I see. Well, I'm a big evangelist regarding the C++ approach in academia.
 
He's probably just saying that because of Jon Skeet
 
I'm just kidding. I'm a professional software developer, I'm munching any chicken you'll throw at me.
 
Ron
Haha.
Should compiler warnings be formatted as code or not?
I would imagine the yellow quotes are a better fit.
 
I feel they look best as quotes, yes.
@Compass When I was in Uni, there was no C++.
 
8:20 PM
@Ron I'm strongly in favor of code formatting and against quote formatting for such things. Quote formatting destroys line formatting (both as displayed and in the post's source), which can make such warnings/errors much less understandable than with the original line formatting.
 
ree
 
Ron
@Makyen I see.
 
:40222031 Please keep your similes SFW.
 
Ron
God, people have no sense of humor. They resort to revenge downvoting.
 
@Ron how dare you insinuate that my Imaginary Internet Pointsâ„¢ have no value!
 
Ron
8:31 PM
@gunr2171 I honestly hope they do. I've put mine in the Resume.
Must be the reason I am still unemployed.
;)
 
my co-workers think that I'm an (elected) stack overflow moderator because I mentioned that I run this room on my resume
 
@PetterFriberg So cool anyways: did you read this or this already? ;-)
 
@Ron Look, Hovercraft doesn't have a revenge problem. He's seeing a therapist for it
 
So the tag has a large number of OT questions if anyone's got spare votes. It's also being considered for burnination if anyone would like to weigh in on the matter on Meta (I don't have a link to the Meta post).
 
Ron
Haha.
 
8:34 PM
@EJoshuaS meta post
 
Thx :)
 
@gunr2171 you can always say that you're still waiting for your diamond to be applied and let it be ...
 
@user0042 Here you go stackoverflow.com/a/209572/5292302, SO is never wrong
 
@PetterFriberg Not even a dozen pros, are you kidding me?
 
8:38 PM
@Petter I've hopes the O'Rly series will be continued. I'm not yet sure if I should attend as a co-author.
 
@user0042 Due to a formatting failure in an edit on my part, I need to explicitly direct your attention to this.
 
@Makyen SWF?
 
Safe For Work, as opposed to NSFW.
 
@user0042 Safe For Work. Generally means non-porn
 
@Makyen Now I know what you mean. Yes, that was slippery slope as mentioned.
@Makyen THX for tidiying.
 
Ron
9:07 PM
@PetterFriberg Java chicken FTW!
 
What to make of this answer? Self-promo warning? Seems not quite spam... but then, it's an ad in answer to their own question. The question itself seems reasonable enough.
 
@PaulRoub custom mod flag and let'em delete it
 
hum, yeah. that's real close to spam
 
Ron
@PaulRoub I would say it's a blatant self promotion. And I even liked the confetti.
 
9:12 PM
@Ron Yes. But spam has a stricter meaning than that, and I'm reluctant to flag as such. I mod-flagged.
 
do edits invalidate (any) flags?
or is that only rollbacks?
 
meeh don't spam flag it.. I don't think he is making $ of it.. mod flag is enough
@gunr2171 They invalidate VLQ flags if in LQP queue also NAA flags
 
Ron
@PaulRoub You are right. I agree with Petter.
 
never edit stuff that should be delete only stuff that you save with edit, is the general rule
 
Ron
ABBA was great, music in general back then. You oldies had it good.
 
9:17 PM
we are still alive... but I preferred Def Leppard
 
Ron
I am pushing 40. A Porsche is in order.
 
meeh when you hit 60 at 40 you should go for the Volvo...
 
@PetterFriberg @Ron The PM tells you: Well, we have that java interface for this needed to support 3rd party product. What do you think? Answer: OK, lend me a half an hour smoking break, come back and I'll tell you.
 
Ron
@PetterFriberg Nice one.
 
And believe me I'll need the real good herbs for my smoking break!
@PetterFriberg Man! He's not married yet :-P ...
 
9:22 PM
patience soon soon... kids and dogs do not fit well in Porsche
 
@PetterFriberg That's what I thought. If you're really good you can have a Porsche for leisure time :-D
 
Ron
There goes my privacy.
 
when you have kids??... no leisure time for you!!! wait until they are 18 then go for the Porsche... bbahh the Ferrari!
 
@PetterFriberg Dat sticking one armed drum rythms :-P ...
 
Ron
By the time I get rich I will be so old and fragile I won't even be able to stand the G forces in my sport car.
Moral of the story - get rich fast!
 
Ron
My upbringing prevents me from getting rich quick.
So I opted for software development.
@user0042 I went premium on LinkedIn to see what recruiters think the required skills are. What I saw there makes my eyes bleed. They don't seem to have a clue. Their parametric selection process is nonsense. No wonder they can't find anyone.
 
@Ron I'm counting more about my endorsements received there.
^ Just a try for an abbr. If anyone has better proposals for an appropriate acronym, I'd appreciate that.
As for @KenWhite's recent request I could think of OSR.
@Ken Thoughts?
 
9:54 PM
@user0042 No opinion. I don't usually manually write the reason; I use one of the user scripts and let it do the work. When I'm at a different machine, I don't find it that difficult to type Off-site resource
 
@KenWhite Well, just like we're used to abbrevate TB.
 
dur
10:22 PM
@KenWhite Could you answer Prune's comment?
 
@dur I have no idea what comment you keep referencing. What comment where?
 
dur
@KenWhite Click on the arrow in front of your name in my post. You will redirected to your post with the cv-pls for stackoverflow.com/q/47541665/62576. In this question the first comment.
 
@dur Sorry. Missed the arrow. It's been a long day. :-) Done.
 
10:50 PM
 
 
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11:53 PM
@Machavity thanks for the effort, but I'm not sure why you did that. The original answer is wrong
 

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