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1:10 AM
It seems that I am targeted for a down-vote barrage. It will be reverted right?
nvm :)
 
1:26 AM
@Enzokie Maybe you have met a "friend" with a certain math fan thinking programming, maths is all the same. Maybe we add physics, chemistry and gender-"science", intelligent design, etc. to this. Heck, some people really should better knit than program.
 
^ lol
 
 
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2:43 AM
@Enzokie Is it worth flagging for a moderator to move it to Math.SE or Cross Validated?
 
Not sure either. I'll just leave it : )
 
@Enzokie Yeah, I commented pointing out that he COULD flag for a moderator to migrate if he really wanted to and reiterating your point that if he thinks that the question should be considered on topic he should write a Meta post arguing for that. In terms of the flag, it's not all THAT great of a question, so I'm reluctant to flag it myself.
 
@EJoshuaS I gifted it a delv. If it wants to 'migrate' it, it can do it itself.
 
@MartinJames Yeah, it's not all that great of a question, or I would've flagged it myself or voted to migrate to Cross Validated.
 
@EJoshuaS I woudl not want to send a probable serial downvoter to another site.
 
2:50 AM
True... especially given that I'm on that site, too :)
 
Give the guy a coffee : )
 
3:08 AM
@EJoshuaS It should be noted that a 1 rep user can't participate on Meta. Doing so requires 5 rep.
 
@Makyen The user who was arguing in favor of it being on topic has over 500 rep, though, so he could create a Meta post defending his position if he thinks that it should be on topic
 
@EJoshuaS OK. Sorry. I missed that you were directing that comment to another user. Were there some additional comments which are now deleted? I didn't see anything where another user was arguing that it was on-topic. They implicitly indicate they think it on-topic by answering, but I don't see an actual argument that it's on-topic.
 
@Makyen Yes, a few comments were deleted.
 
4:10 AM
@EJoshuaS, @Enzokie, @KirkBeard, @KenWhite, @MartinJames, @Olaf, The way the question & answer look at the moment is that it has the appearance of 6 people from this room jumping in and mobbing the user and the question/answer. While many of the comments appear benign, we should strive to not appear like we're a mob. My guess is that the user said some, now deleted, things which were inflammatory, which got responses from multiple people here.
While, from time to time, we all (certainly including myself) add comments where it might look like multiple people from this room are participating (on the receiving end, potentially feeling like people ganging-up on someone), let's try to keep it to the spirit described in the FAQ, of letting one person, or, at most, a small number of people, take the lead.
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At a minimum, please clean up any comments which are invalidated by the other user deleting their comments or by the question being closed. That way, moderators can see the whole thing, but regular users don't see a distorted view of the comments.
As I wrote the above messages, I remembered some times where I could have done better in this regard. I know that I will be trying to do better. I hope that others will too.
 
4:26 AM
@AndyK I'm not sure I agree that it's spam, just a bad question - it doesn't appear to be promoting a specific product or service.
 
@EJoshuaS you can be right
 
@Makyen ok got it :)
 
@Makyen As you suspected, there were some - "strongly worded" (and rather pointed) comments from the answerer. The whole comment thread does seem odd now that the original comments that started the whole thing are gone, though.
^The question's actually useful after some rather extensive editing.
 
4:59 AM
@EJoshuaS gotta undelete vote it now...
 
5:20 AM
@TylerH The OP doesn't strike me as a non-conflict type
 
@JohnDvorak hm?
 
"If the tags are confusing to you, just ignore them. Don't shout at me for confusing Java and Javascript!"
 
 
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6:55 AM
seems ok
 
7:15 AM
Got the first button done of a new-user question wizard mockup
(initial choices are just examples)
3:15AM... time for bed
 
@TylerH Looks nice.
 
Thanks; it's early stages yet, so I'm happy to take any and all feedback. Might be something I've already thought of/planned, but could easily be something I haven't.
currently criteria for showing the wizard that I've thought of include:
- user's 1st, 2nd, or 3rd question
- user has a reputation of 20 or less
- user's most previous question was closed as off-topic (or deleted?)
- user has a net negative score for all questions asked

or any combination of the above
 
 
7:54 AM
@TylerH Those criteria sound reasonable, particularly that it's any of the above. However, I'd also suggest allowing the user to select to use the question wizard. Some people are much more comfortable using a wizard type interface than one that's completely free-form. In addition, after someone is used to the wizard, they may prefer it.
 
Ron
8:15 AM
@TylerH That looks really nice.
 
 
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9:44 AM
@Makyen 'mornin:) Deleted my comments that are now 'orphaned' by deletion of others.
 
Ron
o/
 
Lo
@TylerH It looks like a Christmas tree with the top cut off. In keeping with the oncoming season of celebrations, can you thnk of a couple extra categories to fill out the top of the tree? Maybe put a help star on top?
@TylerH More seriously, maybe it can be trialed on some random tag? PHP would be good.
 
10:04 AM
@rene Do you also have a discrepancy between the amount of requests to be moved shown in the archiver UI and the actual amount of requests moved? The error is often around 20%
Plop everyone
 
10:27 AM
@PaulStenne yes, that is by design or a whatever bug
 
Heh, sure
 
I believe both Tuna and Tiny looked into that and after I touched it as well the script was doomed to ever be correct
 
We should get you to a flower coding boot camp
 
Or you should revoke my permissions to submit code ...
 
Who are we going to blame then?
 
10:31 AM
Gunr is a candidate as he is not here now ...
 
Weird one. User got downvoted and so edited question but, instead of adding more details, the OP deleted all the existing code! Rollback? stackoverflow.com/q/46872743/758133
 
@rene True.
@MartinJames Nah. Better to comment and explain, I don't see this question being salvaged in any way.
 
@PaulStenne OK:)
 
11:22 AM
^ Why would people vote GC... Also, NLN comment on there.
Yay Ryan cleaned those =D
@MartinJames In your comment you posted the link to the same Q
 
@PaulStenne Yes - it's a recursive call.
 
I should have gotten it immediately, dangit
is on my Watch list...
 
coding stye? :p
 
@JonClements uuuuh yes just in case someone creates the tag, y'know.
I almost forgot the feeling
 
To be fair - I have seen code that fits the description [..]It is actually an abscess filled with pus [...]
 
11:36 AM
@JonClements Thanks for the gross Wikipedia search
 
I blame you and your watch list... see what happens when you pretend to be human?
 
Meep.
 
@Paul anyway - how's the human thing working out for ya?
 
@JonClements human? I could have sworn that was just a facade for the spearrel protection program...oops....I've said too much......move along, nothing to see here. This is not the rodent you are looking for
 
11:54 AM
Talking of rodents... I miss Kyll.... :(
One of these days he'll return and we can throw him around the room again and his screams of joy will fill the air once more...
 
he was never the same after the incident in the park :(
...oops I mean alleged incident.....
 
Oh he loved the park - use to get so excited about talking to the flowers and seeing the elephant...
 
HI all! o/
 
Hello tree!
 
12:16 PM
@JonClements So far it's excellent.
@Nkosi starts screaming
@Jon Pick a day in 6 to 8 then
 
6 to 8 what though? :p
 
@JonClements Left for the puppy to decide!
 
nano seconds?
 
No >.>
 
Or can we use Planck time?
 
12:24 PM
Only units which are unlikely to collapse my human disguise into a black hole.
 
@Paul I'll ask Stephen Hawking then... he knows all about black holes...
 
@JonClements Just ask any reviewer...
 
12:40 PM
@Makyen I think there is a clear difference between mob and single users commenting reasonably. I commented on the answer, not the question. Don't see this is mobbing up. Just because we are in the same room does not make us a mob.
@Makyen Those comments from the answerer are deleted now. One of them was clearly insulting. Some context can still be derived from my first comment to the answer.
 
@Olaf Totally off-topic question, inappropriate answer, insulting and abusive comments. Ridiculous attempts to justfy answering question because, otherwise, 'we are not being helpful' - true, but utterly irrelevant. Bad, bad, bad.
 
1:13 PM
@MartinJames TBH, I did not see insulting comments from the asker. It was more the answerer who upset me (set me up?). Although for the question there is a sub-aspect we ignored: it is likely homework. But yes, the answer was all this. Typical rep-cucumber.
 
@Olaf You know that I will never enjoy salads ever again, right?
 
@MartinJames Did you ever?
(I still like thin slices of cucumber on a sandwich.)
 
@Olaf Sure, in midsummer. TBH, I'm just glad you didn't invent some term like 'rep-pizza', 'rep-curry' or, ~~shudder~ 'rep-beer' :)
 
@MartinJames Nah, I'm not that nasty
 
@Martin beer? scoff - a drink's not a drink unless it's at least 40% proof...
 
1:19 PM
There is enough stuff left for salad. Or maybe a fruit/cheese salad: tomatoes, mozarella di buffalo, basil, olive oil, balsamico.
 
@JonClements While I have some sympathy with that POV, I find that I cannot drink more than a pint or so of such libation without collapsing.
 
Bah... you just need practice... Start with a little absinthe with breakfast then work your way up to a pint to start the day off... And don't be deterred by that absinthe making you a bit loopy - I think that's a lie - either that or because I'm a ninja puppy I'm immune to it... Woof!
 
Ron
Sunday roast.
 
@JonClements Is that a requirement for a mod or the logical effect of being one?
 
Ron
Probably the latter.
 
1:23 PM
@Ron Had mine on saturday already.
 
@Olaf lol, chicken or egg?
 
@MartinJames I like both. One for breakfast, the other for dinner (with a lemon inside).
 
Anyway, absinthe would make my breakfast burrito taste funny.
 
Ron
I gave up drinking because I ran out of people to fight with in bars.
 
You mean like the mod drinking game? When someone raises a flag pleading for their homework to be deleted: take 1 shot, get called a nazi in a mod message reply: take 2 shots etc...?
 
Ron
1:25 PM
@JonClements Haha, nice one.
 
@Ron I understand. It's difficult when you wake up and it takes 10 minutes to work out if you are in a hospital bed or drunk tank.
@JonClements I just knew there would be drinking games!
 
I now so want that to exist - it'd be awesome... Might be a delay in flag handling as we'd all be having our stomachs pumped but heck, it'd be a laugh :p
 
Ron
Were there attempts to put fantasy code as a reason to cv?
 
I'll setup some crowdfunding... be sure to donate - it's all for a good cause :)
 
Maybe I can help: ALL THE MODS ARE JERKS WITH THEIR STORMTROOPER 'TUDE AND UNHELPFUL TREATMENT OF MY ACCOUNTS. I WANT ALL MY HOMEWORK QUESTIONS DELETED IMMEDIATELY YOU DON'T NEED A LIST THEY ARE ALL HOMEWORK YOU FASCIST NAZI TROLLS.

Should be good for a dozen shots:)
 
1:34 PM
Cheers... I'll put it on my todo list... don't feel motivated enough to pop to the shop right :p
 
@Ron Tolkien style Fantasy or Twilight-zone style Fantasy?
 
Ron
@Olaf Academia fantasy.
Aka "the dark sarcasm in the classroom" feat. Pink Floyd.
 
@Olaf I got lots of twiglet-zone Q's favourited - those with supposed behaviour X, but don't compile for mutiple reasons.
 
@Ron Yeah, that's the worst variant.
@Ron I think I know PF quite well, but never heard of that.
 
Ron
@Olaf Another brick in the wall verse.
 
1:40 PM
@Olaf The actual line is 'No dark sarcasm in the chatroom', from 'The -Wall'.
 
@MartinJames I suppose you don't mean this kind of twiglets? But I did not find better explanations of that word.
@MartinJames Ah, thanks, found it (with -Wextra. I suppose it was directed to teachers. Interestingly in my last three classes or so, the sarcasm was much more from the students' side.
 
@Olaf I did, yes:) It's an English idiom: "He's in the twiglet zone, he'll call back": 'Fred can't answer the phone ATM 'cos his mouth is full of snack food'.
 
I want twiglets now... darn you!
 
@MartinJames Ah! We might say here "er hat die Backen voll" - "he has his cheeks full (of food)"
 
1:48 PM
@Olaf Oh, like a hamster:) Thanks, saves me copying into Google xlat.
 
@MartinJames That's the image, yes. (And I'm not sure if google would add the parenthtises part)
 
@Olaf hehe...
 
Hope you're happy now Martin! i.stack.imgur.com/HZTPd.png
 
Awww....
 
Hope you're happy and all that :)
 
1:52 PM
@JonClements If you were where I'm sitting, you could get a good supply of twiglets etc. by turning the KB upside-down and shaking.
 
How big are the gaps between your keys for twiglets to fit in there? :p
 
@JonClements Is a ninja allowed to show his true face?
 
How are you sure that is not also a mask? Faceception.
 
@JonClements Well, it would be mpostly crumbs, true, but there are several mising keys where I've smashed them off with my forehead after opening the disguised 'i++ + ++i' questions.
 
@MartinJames You put them into a mixer before eating? Heretic!
@Nkosi More like a body suit then. But yes, from the wrinkles, maybe.
 
2:00 PM
@MartinJames Interesting... so what is the answer if you start with int i = 5;? starts running
 
@JonClements :-|
 
Really... isn't :-| invalid syntax?
 
Given it's UB, the program printing :-| would be perfectly legal. I'd love to see an implementation that actually does that. =D
 
2:15 PM
@JonClements Dreck..
 
@BaummitAugen I'd actually would like an implementation which formats the harddrive for such nonsense. Whoever writes such sh** should not program at all.
 
@Olaf Most don't - they can't, so they teach.
 
@MartinJames Formatting would help quite a lot against them.
 
@MartinJames Sad but true. :/
 
@Olaf Yes, but if the grades were lost in a disk disaster, the profs would be forced give out a C to everyone, including those who post such homework here:(
They might then get jobs...
 
2:21 PM
@MartinJames How could the profs give out anything with their harddrives wipes? They wouldn't even know the names of the students.
@MartinJames Considering how HR actually picks their candidates, this might be a major problem indeed.
 
@Olaf There is some old tech still available where you use a stylus to impress coloured liquids onto pressed cellulose sheets, (yeah, I know, weird, but I've seen it used).
 
@MartinJames There wered not only liquids. I prefer an abrasive transfer technique of one formation of carbon material. The pro is you can remove the material easily. Yes, back to the Know-How paper-computer de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know-how-Computer (sorry, German only).
 
@Olaf 'They wouldn't even know the names of the students' well, they would have to resort to the names they recognize: 'Moron with the spiky hair who always asks the stupid questions at the end...C grade'. 'Idiot who sits at the back and stares at the ceiling for an hour...C grade'. 'Cow with her Louboutins sticking into the aisle so others trip over...C grade'.
 
@MartinJames Yes, but those names are qauite common, so they are more like .*
 
2:31 PM
Found some english language site about that computer web.archive.org/web/20140523212937/http://edunet-namibia.org/…
 
@Olaf 'The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading' - my computer rejected it, presumably viewing it as some kind of rival.
 
I can assure you it works for me. Maybe a bit slow, it is archive.org after all.
Hmm, strange. It renders fine in Konqueror and Rekonq, Firefox, but CHromium only shows a minimal version, no images.
Try turning off JS. It's actually quite interesting, the article shows the architecture quite well. That thing would still be a good start for schools and students to learn how a computer works.
 
@Makyen That's a good idea, I will add that to the shortlist of criteria thanks.
@Ron Thanks!
@MartinJames Any relation to holidays is purely coincidental :-P That being said, I would leave it up to the staff to decide how to A/B test it, they know which tags suck the most (all of them :-P)
 
@Olaf Yes, especially as so many OP's here have no clue beyond bash/PHP/whatever scripts.
 
2:53 PM
@MartinJames I honestly think it would be a much better approach to teach young kids about computers and programming than the BBC micro, Arduino, Lego, andwhateverelse schools waste their money for.
 
@Olaf Good idea in principle, but where would you find enough teachers that can actually teach that stuff?
 
@Olaf "We're not going to waste our IT budget on paper, pencils and erasers. We would be a laughing stock! [and the students would realize that we have no idea what we are teaching]"
 
@BaummitAugen Did you read that article? A teacher who does not understand this principle is not able to teach any programming at all, be it C, Python, Java or Brainfuck. Well, maybe that's the actual problem here. Plus the typically german concept of "quality has it's price", resp. it's wrong inversion "something inexpensive can't be good".
@MartinJames that ^
 
@Olaf No, I did not read the article, I was just referring to the statement in your message on its own.
But I don't think we even disagree here: Bad teachers are bad.
 
@BaummitAugen Well, read it, And as you are at it, maybe you want to learn about some computer history by searching about the "WDR Computer Club". It is really interesting and was much better than what you will find in youtube and blogs these days. After all, that was really well spent GEZ money.
 
3:08 PM
@Olaf A big part of the problem of teaching 'computers' is their very nature. I still experience disbelief when trying to explain 'the chips do very simple things - do arithmetic, move numbers from one place to another, but very quickly: "That's silly, Martin - my computer does much more stuff than that!"
 
yeah, computers are vimpressive
I mean, very impressive
 
@FĂ©lixGagnon-Grenier ha ha, I bet that typo makes you feel emacsulated
I mean, emasculated... :-P
 
"typo"
I was trying to single handedly start and win the "wort pun of the day" contest
... lol, that was a typo
 
respect
 
@MartinJames That's their first reaction for sure. But it is also an entry into showing how complex problems can be broken down into simple ones. And the simple instruction set can be extended, of course. It is more a matter of didactics from teh teacher's side than on the student's side of understnding. But of course it does require the will to learn - something our schools are designated to discourage from the very first class.
 
3:15 PM
'vimpressive'. Great. Another term, like 'cucumber', that I'm stuck with for etenity:(
 
@MartinJames So you can never again eat any vimpressives anymore. Btw: mineral, vegetable or animal? "I threw a vimpressive at him" "I had a vimpressive steak yesterday" "would you cut the vimpressive for salad?"
 
@Olaf ikr. When I was first shown the double-slit experiment, I knew I was being fed bullshit about light passing though slits and, somehow, still interfering to generate patterns in some simple way. It was obvious that all the light from slit A would not be somehow sufficiently in phase with all the light from slit B as to generate interference patterns. I was told to shut up.
@Olaf lol
 
@MartinJames Not sure how it was at your school, but wee did the maths, too and it indeed worked. Actually, I can honestly say I had quite some very good teachers who rreally were trying to get some reason (and thinking for ourself) into us kids.
 
@Olaf The simple maths does work, but it's UB :)
 
I later learned there was indeed a short period of time there were more good, young teachers who had not become already depressed already. It partly was a matter of the overal climate at that particular school, too.
 
3:25 PM
Here's another one down the 'pike: 'How can I do multiply two numbers without the '*' or '/' operator'.
 
@MartinJames Oh, well, I it too long ago, so I can't really have a serious discussion about it without accessing tertiary storage (i.e. a physics book and the internet). But from my memory it was in fact fine. Maybe you had a different setup.
All I remember was an experiment about polarisation of light. The teacher use a laser and the typical two filters to show how the light was cut off when they had a certain angle. Problem was, there was no light, even with a single filter. We thought about htis together with the teacher and came to the conclusion laser light is already polarised. After the break, the teacher confirmed this and he was honest he had to check this in books.
 
I mean, do we cv this: stackoverflow.com/q/46875659/758133 it's interesting, but not useful to future users/visitors:(
@Olaf lol!
 
It was a good lesson in how experiments work.- It also showed our teacher was not too proud to confess he did not know. Was a really good teacher.
@MartinJames He smiled when he had to admit he had no clue. Most people in that position wouldn't have had the balls to tell students they don't know.
 
@Olaf Kudos, sure:)
 
@MartinJames Interesting, but asking for code as it seems. Even if not, still too broad (learn about float and how to do the maths on each part of the float). The int example is pretty bad actually, because a lot of assumptions/magic numbers, implementation defined behaviour and potential UB. Yes, CV it.
 
3:35 PM
I hate being continually forced to apply mental effort to find close-reasons for the likes of: stackoverflow.com/q/46875534/758133
There's more and more each day of 'can I make loops in C' and the like :((
 
@MartinJames I really can say I mostly was lucky with my science/maths teachers and some other teachers, too. Too bad I only learned later they were more of an exception than normal.
 
@Olaf Yeah - I was kinda lucky too. When our physics lecturer retired, we threw him a party - somthing unheard of before then.
 
@MartinJames Well, they should first get into shape. Then make sure they stand on a soft ground when trying to make their first loops. Once trained, they can even try a wall-run with final looping. After that, they might be ready to try that in C.
@MartinJames One of my chemistry teachers invited us to a good-bye garden party with barbeque (class 10, that's when we left this school and went either to a job or for the final three years for Abitur). Yes, that was indeed a really great school.
I think it was the headmaster. Some old and quite strict man, but fair if you argued reasonably with him.
 
Ron
4:25 PM
Throwback Sunday eh?
Monday tomorrow, get your easy reps here.
 
4:52 PM
@EJoshuaS Sod it. I deleted it beofre I tried to flag it as suspicious:(
@EJoshuaS S'undelved..
Wow! Amazing how much garbage can pile up in such a short time:(
 
5:25 PM
Did I say something wrong here (>10K only, sorry)
 
Hardly.
 
@rene Yes - you assumed that posters are rational.
 
@rene You posted a reasonable comment which requires some thinking what "meta" means. And now you ask what was wrong? You're an optimist, are you?
 
Maybe the 'Help' needs promoting from the hamburger menu to the main? Put it where the great red spot is now.
 
@rene -1 Not enough flowers and puppies
 
Ron
5:50 PM
Spoon feed me...
looks pale after a vamp attack
 
6:42 PM
@Olaf I guess I'm an optimist, yes.
 
Ron
7:28 PM
@rene Discard this one please.
 
Ron
8:21 PM
^ That one went from mild heat to rant.
 
:-/
I won't be replying to any of those comments.
No point in making it worse.
 
 
Ron
OP is making an effort. Removed.
 

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