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@MartinJames What close reason do you mean? Generally, cv-pls requests should contain an actual close reason. You can elaborate, somewhat, with factual information which helps people make the close/leave open choice (e.g. "typo: see 3rd line in 2nd code block: foo used instead of bar"), but there should always be an actual close reason.
@Makyen Yes - youre right. I guess 'typo', since a return statement is absoultely required.
00:39
@MartinJames "no mcve" would also work. That code does not even compile on common platforms.
@Olaf It's difficult to know what to apply when the code has so many critical bugs:( 'Too broad' may also apply, as in 'the list of serious bugs is too broad'.
@MartinJames I have another reason, but I'm not allowed to disclose it on SO ;-)
@Olaf Yes, lets not get suspended this w/e :)
Whe it comes down to it, the problems are down to profs/TA's. The debugger is not taught before 'Write a linked-list with pointers and other stuff that you have no hope of getting right the first time and no way of fixing without dumping on SO'.
..which is a shame because debugging code like that is when all the knucklehead stuff gets repeatedly knocked into your brain so you don't make the same, basic mistakes, (so often).
@MartinJames While I like and use debugers today, We didn't in the 80ies when we used Assembler, etc. And for my first C programms, I just used printf debugging and I know a lot people did as well. So I don't see this is a problem at all. It is more like bad tutoring on behalf of the teachers, profs. All assuming someone in a C course wants to learn (which is as much of a problem imo).
00:54
@Olaf Welll, printf debugging works nearly as well, if not as conveniently. The profs are not teaching that either, (though you would think that such an approach would sorta occur naturally to those with above zero talent).
@MartinJames Exactly, it is a matter of basic thinking. And that's what i definitively expect from a student. Things are different if people are forced to learn C programming at school, etc. I hope there are no such courses, if there are: I feel with them (had to learn knitting as a kid by some dragon of a teacher (or teacher of a dragon?).
lol, both, maybe ;)
The very worst is when I ask some OP to 'printf out the index and check the value before indexing the array', and they post back 'How can I do that? Can you give me and example code'. Then I have to get either drunk or suspended.
@MartinJames You haven't been suspended for some time now. How's your liver?
@Olaf Not good. I'm on Batemans XXXB ATM.
@MartinJames What's that? Gin?
01:07
@Olaf Beer.. owait 'I created a code that inserts and deletes nodes from a Linked List depending on what a .txt file instructs'.. OK, where's my bottle-opener:(
01:54
@Pikalek There is no "closed version" - just a single question that's either open or closed
@EJoshuaS Thanks - also sorry if this was the wrong place for that - I neglected to read the room title carefully - totally my fault
@Pikalek No, not necessarily the wrong place - this room's for discussion about site moderation
Including closing and reopening questions
@EJoshuaS good to know. I've recently got close/open vote privs & saw what looked like a reposting of a previously closed Q, but wasn't 100% sure what it would look like if it had been re-opened via edits & votes. Given what you said it must be the former, not the later. Thanks for the info.
You can sometimes find that in the revision history.
Closing and re-opening I mean.
02:24
@Pikalek @EJoshuaS, Information about the question being closed/reopened is available in each question's timeline (example). If interested, there's a userscript, SE Modifications, which adds a "timeline" and "history" link to each question and "history" link to each answer.
@Makyen Nice - didn't know about either of those! Thanks.
02:39
And I assume they're all logged into their accounts because there's a Community Bulletin in the sidebar. 😂
This is funny.
02:55
@Braiam Oneboxers aren't funny.
@Olaf Ok, serious challenge: turn a tweet into a non-onebox while keeping context.
Oneboxes are necessary if you don't want to make the other have a surprise click.
@Braiam Simple solution: don post tweest here. That's what the ministry is for.
...
what is what for?
What the heck are you talking about?
@Braiam Posting "funny" oneboxers.
We wish to keep the room civil and mostly on topic, but that does not mean you can't have a little tasteful fun too
Don't be so obnoxious.
Nobody is being bothered by text.
03:02

The Ministry of Silly Hats

Welcome to the MOSH pit, where the fun hattens.
The rule about oneboxes are due: 1. vertical space 2. data usage. A tweet wastes neither.
If you are going to apply rules, at least know where they came from and why are they needed.
Jun 2 '16 at 2:00, by Undo
'Please avoid posting oneboxes; they take up valuable space' might be better
03:26
That second one's just terrible
 
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07:02
morning
@kyll
are you around?
Morning \o
07:24
@AndyK There's no kyll here. There's a programmer formerly known as kyll.
@Makyen wadaf*k ??? omg
@PaulStenne
07:36
hi o/
07:58
@AndyK Yeah =D
Plop Andy
What's up?
@PaulStenne did the Tours marathon last weekend
your city is awesome
Aw man
The week I leave, you're around
Glad you enjoyed the city! Where did you go?
@PaulStenne we will have other opportunities
@PaulStenne I went through Villandry
inside the castle
If you show up in Romania I'd be glad to guide you around =D
Oh yeah, very nice place
Most castles around Tours are beauties
@PaulStenne and I came back by ... La Riche -> marathon-tlv.fr/images/parcours_marathontTLV_2015.pdf
08:05
Oooh very nice path, following the two rivers
@PaulStenne St Genouph and La Riche were awesome
I'm glad you got to enjoy the place
@PaulStenne yes. I will return
Well I won't be back in Tours before the winter holidays and then not before summer I think
08:49
@PaulStenne we will find a time
@PaulStenne can you be find on google assuming Paul is who you really are and not a monicker?
09:04
Plop everyone.
@DragandDrop Plop!
09:59
OT, but I thought it would be worth sharing: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/40308216#40308216
Ron
Ron
10:53
o/
\o
11:10
o/
404
@PatrickHofman it has undelete votes? o.0
@Adriaan Yes... For some reason.
@kayess ^
@PatrickHofman TY in name of non-20k union
11:29
Morning
11:45
\o
12:13
@NathanOliver remember that I asked about flagging a comment which said "This is easily done in another program language"? Well, I did that, and got a declined flag. Custom flagged this time, to explain why it should be gone
@VadimKotov looks rewritable to get rid of the tool-rec part (although it might be TB without a try by the OP)
@Adriaan I remember people having a conversation about that last week. Not sure if they really need to be deleted. If people are trying to do X with Y but Z makes it so much easier they might want to know that and think about using Z instead.
@NathanOliver the OP already commented back "Thanks, but I'm sticking to MATLAB"
I consider comments like that noise, since the question asks for a specific language. If the OP is willing to consider other languages, they need to modify their question. (This particular case can't be modified, as it asks about a proprietary function in MATLAB, not a general "how to do X")
Not sure why a no longer needed flag would be declined then. Did you flag both comments so the mod could see the exchange could be removed?
@NathanOliver yea; the other was instantly removed upon flagging, probably as it was mainly "thanks"
hmm. Hopefully you'll get an answer
13:17
^Too broad, too
13:33
@Adriaan The ways of handling flags are mysterious and beyond our understanding. Must be some divine entity handling them.
13:53
Hmm... is the search list empty for anyone else?
Chat or main?
Or the open request link? That is empty for me
The last one
Looks like all of chat search is broken again. I wonder if it is a REDIS issue again.
@Machavity That'll do it
13:57
Umm... everything should be back to normal... covering bases there :)
@JonClements *in 6-8 hours ;)
@Machavity What are you doing!? What insanity has made you think of specifying an actual unit of time there! :)
Should I give a detailed answer here since my suggestion was correct?
@NathanOliver Not sure. Would you count that as a typo? If not, and there's no dupes, could be an excellent place to make a canonical
14:12
@Machavity I don't think it qualifies as a a typo. I'm having a hard time trying to find a dupe.
I'd say answer it then. Sounds like a solid topic
@JohnDvorak Man, that keeps getting terrible answers
@Machavity Thanks for letting me know ... now I need a beer
+3/-1 on the question. Scratch the beer, I need to douse myself in Fernet Stock.
14:43
Writing source with Word sounds lile a good idea. You could use a different theme for function headers, add multilevel paragraph numbers for block scopes,.. .. . on second thoughts, no ;)
@Machavity at least the answerers all self-deleted
15:10
moshi moshi
konnichiwa!
my eyes are wonky
they were almost 20/20 the day after surgery but progressively got worse, potentially due to dry eye and allergies to eye drops
now i have to apply petroleum jelly to my eyeballs and everything goes blurry but apparently it keeps them moist during the sleep time.
I'll just stick to wearing glasses
15:15
:(
@NathanOliver Sounds better than petrol on your face, for sure.
Happy I didn't get lasik
I'm with Nathan on that one
its okay though
i can drive without glasses!
15:17
just the bothersome genes of "allergic" to weird medication :(
and having to put in eye drops that make me go =w= a bit more than normal
@MartinJames petrol on your face, sounds like the daily life of an oil engineer
also petroleum is a byproduct, no?
@Adriaan That's a crude stereotype..:)
sooo... this anime movie, Your name.
amazing
Really tugs at the heartstrings.
Somehow being remade into live action by JJ Abrams :|
@Compass Had to agree with the reviews that it was very similar to Miyazaki films
15:27
RIGHT IN THE FEELS.
And it's right up Abrams motif. A movie that retcons itself
LENS FLARE.
have bluray drives been common for the past few years
i have a notebook but i've never used its optical drive. It is a "gaming/performance" book so I assume it probably has one. :|
@Compass What is a "bluray drive"?
@Compass I think so.
A drive that plays blurays?
as opposed to a drive that plays stingrays?
15:32
@Compass What is bluray?
Plays them and possibly even writes them. 20GB IIRC
You mean blurry rays?
@Olaf it's like beta max...
I just want to know whether I should be stocking with Blu rays or plain ol dvds
15:33
@honk Is that some successor of the the laserdisc? Finally!
@Olaf the current highest version of disc storage
@JonClements Well, beta's wasn't that max at all
@Compass Biggest difference is that DVDs are common and the software to run them is commonly available. Bluray is owned by Sony and heavily licensed
If you recall there was a competition between HDDVDs and BluRays back in the 2000s
@TylerH Hmm, if the 20GB are true, my harddrives have much more storage per disc.
15:34
@Compass Do note that some bluray drives don't burn blurays but will burn DVD's and CD's
@Olaf I thought this had to do with some eyes that went wonky...
also i assume bluray is not going the way of the betamaxx
since like 2006 Blu Ray won out
I don't need to burn
just want to watch bd
@honk Ah! He has blurry vision when driving. Now I got it, thanks!
15:35
I do not hav blurry driving vision
I was pissed when I bought a movie, I think it was one of the Hobbit ones. I wanted it on DVD, but none of the DVD-only versions had all the special features/deleted scenes etc.
So I bought the "special edition combo pack" of DVD and a Blu Ray
@Compass I was told people who have visions should see a psychiatrist (or psychologist? (the one who can prescribe pills)
well those mfers only put the special features/deleted scenes on the BluRay disc anyway
so I bit the bullet and bought a BluRay Burner to replace my DVD Burner
@Compass Here's vaseline in your eye!
Buying any kind of discs is so 5 minutes ago. Today everybody watches things directly from the internet...
15:36
it was kind of sad because internal DVD Burners for your Desktop computer case are literally like $7
its not vaseline :|
@honk yeah, back in the 2000s netflix was still just a dvd rental service...
Whats really hard to find now are VCR's. Unless you are okay with a used one the only ones you can get are VCR/DVD burner combos that are around $200
can you believe Netflix offered to sell themselves to Blockbuster for $50 million in 2000 and Blockbuster turned them down? Boy the people on that board probably are kicking themselves today
yes i can
15:41
@TylerH WOW
@NathanOliver Hmm, I still have one vmost rarely used somewhere stored away. As my old Dual record player and a tape deck. Maybe they become really valuable in some years.
@TylerH Not necessarily. If the had bought NF, they most likely had missed the development anyway.
After all BB had the same opertuniies and prefered not to.
@Olaf Well Netflix (along with Amazon Video and Hulu) stole their business and killed their business model. They launched a competitor a couple years later but couldn't compete. It was implicit that the board would have recognized the value of developing it if they had seen the value in making the purchase in the first place
@NathanOliver Yeah, I need to get on that... we have almost all the old Disney movies on VHS still, and most are in great condition. Apparently if you have the full set on VHS it goes for like tens of thousands of dollars?
probably not worth anywhere near that much but I remember seeing some news articles about it several years ago
That's not surprising. There are a lot of Disney collectors out there
15:45
mostly based on the fact that Disney sucks when it comes to not being lame, and they "lock away" their movies in their 'vault' for years at a time and stores aren't allowed to sell them
@TylerH I know all this (have read about that some time ago already). But what keept BB from doing the same? They had a much broader base that time. They just missed the point to get rid of their stores at the right time.
@Olaf Entrenched business model
and back in 2000 a service that just did the same thing they did was not worth $50 million
it wasn't until the writing was on the wall that they decided to jump into the fray with their own (the offer from Netflix was not valid anymore or they probably would have bought it then instead of rolling their own) to compete with Amazon, Hulu, and then Netflix
@TylerH I call this "management slept the development." Same for Microsoft and Internet, Smartphones, etc.
It's a shame really; competition is good obviously, and tons of people were loyal to Blockbuster
@Olaf Yeah, that's another way to describe "entrenched business model" that's not quite as nice :-P
But you know Microsoft built a tablet before Apple, of course no one used it. They were ahead of their time, really
probably because it required a stylus
@TylerH in the words of Steve Jobs: No one wants a Fing stylus ;)
15:51
to be fair, styluses aren't that great unless you're an author
or an artist
I can type fairly quickly with two thumbs now.
@Compass or a serial killer
@TylerH You're just being paranoid
@TylerH Building something and developing something useufl are two different things. I it comes to this, it was Palm who provided the first really useful pocket computers. Actually, I still miss my Palm Pilot. Sure, my smartphone has much higher resolution and moire fancy design, but The PP did what it was designed for very fast and efficiently. For instance, you could send your business card with two simple clicks to someone standing next to you. No internet, no RF, just short-range IRdA.
@Machavity nice
@Machavity THat's one of my favorite comics
@Olaf who uses business cards though?
people who use palm pilots, that's who
15:55
@TylerH People ho work for more than a company and have contacts to other companies. People giong to fairs, congresses, etc. Iow: professionals.
so I'm 12 score away from a c# silver badge, and now I realize that number of upvotes, not rep :(
that's going to take me so long to get done
@gunr2171 have you tried editing answers that weren't accepted, removing un-accepted answers with negative score?
@gunr2171 Yeah, it's a bummer
@SamOnela well, it also doesn't help that so many of my answers are scored 0 or 1
@gunr2171 I know how it is... the struggle is real
16:05
afk lunch
@gunr2171 You've secretly been answering PHP questions too? :P
@Machavity he appears to have edited 3 questions with that tag
@SamOnela I don't have a single silver answer badge. Only a handful of bronzes. PHP questions just don't give quick hits
I'm still over 100 upboats away from my first gold badge. Hurts that I stopped answering so muhc
Problem is the new technologies that are interesting, like flexbox and css grids, already have a couple people who sit on SO all day answering them super quickly :-(
One guy's done that to the tune of like 90k rep in a year
16:11
okay, 18 months, and only 84k rep, but still
doan' have no hammers :(
I don't have Mjolnir yet either :(
I love my hammer.
4
@NathanOliver same. Soon getting my second hammer :P
@Rizier123 Arrays?
16:22
yup
Cool. That's a nice one as you can use it all over the place
I'm 92 score away from a C++11 hammer
I should get a small hammer just for getting 20k. Maybe my Mjolnir-lite could be restricted to 5-a-day, or something.
@MartinJames They should let 20Kers hammer non domain specific close reasons. You don't need to know anything about language X to know the user is asking for a resource request or if the querstion should go/be closed for somewhere else.
@gunr2171 everyone looks bad compared to the Skeet
well yeah, but we need to establish some maximum value
When doing statistics, Jon Skeet is the ceiling.
nice little query. I don't think 3.5 votes is a bad average
16:47
@gunr2171 So If I delete all my answers with <+9, I'm better than John Skeet? What brings this?
nice 3.0 question average
Ugh... not sure I want to know mine :(
@gunr2171 Eh, does that include meta? I have not asked any question on SO.
@Olaf only main
(had a few good scores but a load of zero or 1 score ones as well)
16:49
@JonClements -6 / -15
wonders how olaf has a question score average
(na, jk)
@gunr2171 So there must be something UB. See my main questions.
It's gunr math \o/
16:51
@Olaf oooh, no this is not for "questions asked", it's your answers
@gunr2171 My point is: how can I have any valid question avarage if I have not asked any question?
Finds all the answers a user has made and gets the average score of those answers, and the average score of the questions they are associated with.
the idea of this query is: are you selecting good questions to answer?
so if you have a lot of score for answers but the questions you are answering have a low score then maybe you are just answering softball questions
@gunr2171 Ah, good point. So it's John Skeet and me ;-)
yeah, sorry. I didn't write that clearly
Maybe that's a way to find rep-cucumbers?
16:56
@gunr2171 Good stuff
^ spam?
@gunr2171 I'm calling it so
@gunr2171 since after half a minute I still hadn't decided whether it is spam, I went NAA
@Olaf alright, so I plotted all users that have more than 50 answers and a delta of > 0
17:13
@gunr2171 looks logical; since most questions tend to get more upvotes when it has a voted-on answer. So if Skeet answers, he instantly gets ~10 upvotes, and the question also gets ~8, since if Skeet answered it, it must be good.
@gunr2171 I'd say there is quite a linear correlation between answers and questions score (which was to be expected). And 0-20 is the relevant area, higher values are more or less ecceptions
Here's a blow up of the lower section, where Avg Answer Score < 20
*eats a mashed potato
does anyone watch man at arms reforged?
I'm assuming that's a TV show?
@gunr2171 Looks like a quite firm upper bound on Answerscore <= question score, with only few exceptions
17:17
youtube show
so not technically syndicated television
Is it a take-off of He-man?
no
it's a show about blacksmithing
they take a bunch of weapons from popular culture like video games
and craft them
not like just make them look like it, but fully functional swords
@Compass History channel has the same thing. It's called forged in fire and I watch it.
but it's not a local company for meeee :(
how do they make diamond swords? two diamonds and a stick?
17:19
yes
I was sorely tempted to buy a replica of Frodo's sword Sting, from LOTR, but I couldn't justify $400 for a wall decoration
@SamOnela maybe. It's borderline for me. It would certainly help if the OP was a bit more clear about the intended output.
Um, you should be using it obviously, not hanging it on a wall :-P
@Machavity 400 Bucks for a replica of a replica of a sword described in a fictional book? Wow.
17:28
@Olaf the book is not fictional
(IIRC, that was not even a sword, but a dagger.
@Adriaan For sure!
on the contrary, I have three very non-fictional but real and tangible copies in my room
I don't see what's wrong with buying items from fiction
Just because it's from fiction doesn't make an actual replica of the sword any less functional
I'm sure when you're hacking at a zombie it's not going to blurt out, BUT THIS ISN'T MIDDLE EARTH.
@Adriaan I'm very sure I'm on the save side if I say I read the books before you were even a blink in your parent's eye :-P
@Olaf utterly unrelated
17:31
@Compass Ehm, they are hardly made from the right quality of steel (if any steel at all), less they are sharpened or even can be.
@Olaf "back in my day we didn't have electricity!"
@gunr2171 I was against the wheel already. Feet were good enough!
@Adriaan Yes, but it worked as intended apparently.
@Olaf assuming you buy it from a blacksmith it's probably the right quality of steel
@Compass Not if it is a replica. And then it costs much more than 400$ A high-quality hand-crafted cooking knife already is in that region.
17:36
imakeswords.com/HungarianYatagahn.html you can tell it's a real sword by how bad the HTML is
these are blacksmiths not web developers :V
That website is so 90's
the single format endless scrolling
@Compass Do they have Flash on their site??
yes but don't worry, it's probably flash 1
so ancient no one exploits it anymore
yeah, it's for page navigation
17:40
they make good swords, not good websites :|
if only we could trade swords for webdesign
you could probably ask them
they'd probably say maybe :|
they're the people who convinced me to make my own mini sword for gunpla out of plaplate.
I had to read about the steel they use (I have some basic knowledge how to construct such blades, but don't know the material names exactly). But yes, at least the blade looks fine (although I'm not a fan of the handle and the form). And see, it is way above 400$ (still surprisingly cheap).
depending on the level of detail, i think some of theirs goes for several thousand
@Olaf Was a full forged steel sword. As in a real sword.
17:41
@MartinJames user has edited the post
their youtube series also demonstrates the cutting potential
using the stuff they use to test katanas in japan
that bundle of bamboo or straw or whatever
@TylerH Oh! Not dead or outside the solar system - that's good:)
@TylerH It's always nice when a GTC question is posted complete. I then feel better about closing it.
@Compass Bamboo is actually a very bad idea. It will very quickly break your blade. Bamboo contains cristised material. That's one reason better not to use it as cutting board. Unless you can effort to buy a new sword every few weeks or so if you use it often to cut bamboo
No, to demonstrate its cutting, not to say here go chop bamboo :|
@Olaf You can get an illegal MAC-10 street-sweeper for that money.
17:49
or a legal sword
It might be more interesting to see some softer wood cut. It is more easy to cut some hard stuff with a blunt knife than e.g. a tomato. That bamboo demonstrations are not only about a sharp sword, but also about the impulse and breaking things.
You can now legaly carry a sword in Texas
@NathanOliver I thought that 'death penalty' meant somethng different.
@NathanOliver Probably legal to concealed carry. Good luck pulling it off, tho
@MartinJames lol
I mean, Wonder Woman did it
@Compass I guess that, for the rest of us, attempting to conceal a katana is more of a threat to ourselves.
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@MartinJames No idea what that is, but you can get a good Damscene steel cooking knife for that price, too. I actually thought about that, but then I added that to my gaming-PC budget.
well FINE
I didn't want to see it anyways
17:53
Good sd, nice sd..
What a nice chap that was :)
@JonClements Was he nice? noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo he was not.
@gunr2171 lol
@MartinJames Something like this youtube.com/watch?v=7M8xJgQvbvc
17:56
@Olaf lol, classic fail:)
@MartinJames I always have that assiciantion when it comes to swords and nunchucks. Although swords accidents can be more … permanent
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