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03:48
Morning!
!!/tea
@AjayBrahmakshatriya brews a cup of earl grey tea for @AjayBrahmakshatriya
@TetsuyaYamamoto brews coffee for @TetsuyaYamamoto
04:04
!!/beer
was worth a try
@Nkosi Sorry no beer for you today ===))) but may have !!/brownie
04:51
\o morning
morning!
Morning o/
05:08
This question is proves it is Friday: stackoverflow.com/q/46482128/5894241
 
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06:30
wat. Of five of my spamflags on R-HUB (those were mentioned yesterday), four were helpful and one was declined? What
06:51
Morning \o
@Adriaan most people would be happy with a 80% score ...
@rene 80% what score?
flag score?
This is a mmorpg, right?
80% critical hit rate to spammers maybe?
Ron
Ron
07:08
o/
07:23
We need a mmorpg leader board with critical rate (cv-plz lead to a meta post) accuracy based accept agedaway decline; Mana or energy ressource will be number of flag left
And btw Hi o/
Ron
Ron
o/
Is there any C# and WebService expert around here that will have time for 5 dumb question?(that will be off t on so because i just need some kind of refereer. As we are moving to fast to have a global idea.)
Ron
Ron
That might be @rene.
Rene might close vote my tchat quest as unclear
xD
07:31
@rene is better to do that... I'm still far behind.
I will write the best i can in my English to make it as clear as possible then end with 4-5 yes/no question.
Ron
Ron
You might want to explore other options and look for a more suitable room.
@DragandDrop there is a c# room, that is free. My expert advice comes at commercial rates.
Ron
Ron
I work for food and shelter.
@rene I don't play unless I get >90%
@rene @DragandDrop he means a drop of water a day, and once a week one of those small bags of flower-food you get at your local florist when buying your mom flowers.
07:40
I will post on a suitable room. Sorry for the disturbance in the Close vote flow. I will never ask Something that can be more than a talk over a coffee
Ron
Ron
Can someone please approve this fine edit?
@DragandDrop you can always give it a go, but don't make it look like we're in for architecture session
08:15
@Makyen Oh, I'm not in a hurry ;) I'm happy that you are working on this, no matter how long it takes. Regarding the Top-navigation choices: You listed "Add the help button..." two times among the available options...
is the "eligible for bounty in X" notice gone, or am I blind? I want to offer a bounty on a hopeless newbie question but somehow I'm not seeing it
@tripleee has it ever been there?
@rene hmmm, I distinctly remember seeing the phrase "Question is eligible for bounty in ..." more times than I can count, but maybe it's only there under some circumstances? Or maybe it was removed?
@tripleee yeah, I'm looking at meta.stackexchange.com/a/138428/158100
@tripleee that text only appears on your own questions, me thinks?
And that particular question in not yet eligible for bounties from the community
@rene hmmm, then I would only have seen it a few times
Ron
Ron
08:37
I becase a sir in comments.
Sir Ron of Academia easy reps questions.
*became Seems like dementia is knocking.
@rene 80% flag score making anyone happy ?? ugh we aim > 99.5% !
99.52% helpful
09:05
\o
Am I correct in thinking that platform specific tags should be prefixed with the platform name? For example rather than ? I understand it's different when the tag is ambiguous
@TimCastelijns if jobservice is no where else used I see no need. Adding the single tag can disambiguate even if a tag is used in multiple contexts.
I admit there are two camps on that topic though
So you probably find support for your suggestion as well
09:20
Android tag wiki seems to agree "When adding additional tags to questions, please use the Android-specific tags such as , , and not individual tags like or ." however any random Joe could have put that there so I wanted to check
OK, that seems like agreed guidance
then it should be made consistent
I wanted to synonymize some tags, but for most I don't have the required 5 score. Should I list them and post about it on meta? Or should they go 1 by 1 in separate posts, or perhaps some other way
@TimCastelijns If they all follow the same pattern you can argue that you are striving for consistency, with backing of research, sample, etc. In that context you provide a list of tags in a single post
If each tag has different merits it could still be a single post but if some light a fire you better have that in a seperate posts to prevent the whole goal goes down the drain.
I mostly strive for better standards and quality in general for and everything attached to it
I'm not sure if there are major tags where more low quality questions are posted than in android, and not many people are actively cleaning it up. I figured providing proper tags would at least be a small step forward
that sounds fair
09:32
thanks for the guidance
you're welcome
10:09
@rene looks like I was a bit quick to judge. I didn't know that synonyms are also listed in the tag list, figured they would be hidden. After spending an hour on the tags page it looks like a bunch of tags need to be renamed to be prefixed with android- rather than synonymized
@TimCastelijns oh, yeah. I didn't think about the synonym case. Would have bitten me as well ...
I went NAA on that one...
11:15
I'm sorry. Was the wrong Chan.
@rene It trun out to be a large blob of text. Its avaidable on C# room for now.
\o
o/
12:16
@SmokeDetector raised mod flag. looks like OP is trying to change the question entirely
^^ Or a dupe of parsing json in JSON
Rude or just 20k del on that?
Going 20k del
@Machavity yeah, delete vote
@rene it actually is rude in Swedish, but ok, let me only NAA flag that
@PetterFriberg And here I thought he was talking about fanning sugar
Flagged tho
naa the translate is waffle (I will redact soon)
12:28
@PetterFriberg Ah, good, let me add that to my vocabulary for my next holiday
yeah seems like a good phrase to tell when you visit someone in Sweden :D
Yeah, you probably need to buy a good phrasebook
12:55
The history of this is hilarious: 20 hours ago16 hours ago2 hours ago10 minutes ago. — poke 1 hour ago
Stack Overflow: Proving once again that CSS is hard
Sometimes I worry for our future:
How is 1 more than 32? — NathanOliver 5 mins ago
Just remember, math can be hard
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Hi people, what to do in this case... We got a post which is very old and rather bad, question is written like a trivia, most answers are therefore crap. The post has been closed and got 6(!) delete votes, yet it can't be deleted because duplicates link to it. stackoverflow.com/questions/232303/…
13:06
Supposedly SO says this is a list of all posts that link to it stackoverflow.com/questions/linked/232303?lq=1. Though that list is buggy, some are not closed. Would we have to go through the closed posts and manually delete them?
@Lundin Two options. 1) Delete all the dupes, then the main. 2) move on, its closed and drives traffic so its not going to hurt anything.
Well I suppose it can lie there and smell. However, the SO list of supposed duplicates linked to the post is also bugged. Guess it should be reported on meta...
@Lundin It's the list of Linked posts -- including those listed as "possible duplicates of...". Those actually closed as duplicates (the only ones that matter here, I think) are at the top of the list.
Hmm okay. So it is just 2 posts then. We could try to delete them and see what happens. (They are pretty crappy too)
You've got some long dupe chains in there. You'll have to delete dupes of dupes to get rid of it
So you might want to start with this dupe
13:13
This is where someone should tell me there's probably far more urgent moderation tasks that I better spend my time on :)
@Lundin there's probably far more urgent moderation tasks that I better spend my time on ;)
Nope. This is rene's day off. So feel free to waste your time delete away
Mostly I'm curious about how to deal with this whole dupe chain thing. Casting delete votes now...
well the dupe's dupe is gone now
Though some that are linked as dupes actually got some pretty good answers...
13:16
all other dupes are on my ignore list so I see none
stackoverflow.com/questions/29132792/… This one I think we can safely delete, nothing of value that has not been said 100 times elsewhere (and one answer is technically incorrect)
The other one I'm not so sure about.
Oh nevermind I think the dupes are gone now.
magic
Why is there 6 delete votes on stackoverflow.com/questions/232303/… though?
7 now
The amount of votes needed scale with number of upvotes or something?
yes
up to 10 I think
It was uncapped earlier
Votes needed to delete scale up with upvotes, but cap at 10
13:21
Well I can tell that various diamond mods been nibbling at that post for years but haven't actually untangled the dupes :)
...however, there's probably far more urgent moderation tasks that I better spend my time on.
@Machavity Since when? IIRC we needed more than 20 some months ago to delete a highly upvoted question.
@Machavity Hmm, I could swear it was after that. Well, maybe I'm getting old.
13:58
@rene see you're trying to be the voice of reason there - thanks :)
14:13
I should just walk away, shouldn't I? stackoverflow.com/a/46490356
@PaulRoub Yeah. You've done all you can to try and educate them.
@PaulRoub Mods probably know if it's identical
14:40
hey guys, could you please help with some more info/links for this person regarding his question - stackoverflow.com/questions/46472398
he cant understand why is his question too broad
@VadimKotov this is the auto comment I use:
There are too many ways to approach this problem. The answers would just turn into a straw-poll for which one people liked. The best thing is to do some research on the topic yourself, find two or three, analyze them, determine if they work for you or not, and try them out. Come to us when you have a specific question about something you have attempted to do.
@VadimKotov s/I/we/g here is gist compiled
@gunr2171 @kayess thanks!
14:55
@JonClements np
BTW, if anyone has spare close votes, there are numerous off-topic questions for and in the close vote queue.
@EJoshuaS yes, I've flagged some of these questions
please don't let it age away
Yes, I was wondering if someone had gone through the questions recently. Thanks for that, it's useful - the tags definitely need cleanup badly.
@EJoshuaS btw, what's the policy regarding JIRA and TFS agile board questions?
are they on-topic on SO?
or there is a special place for them
@VadimKotov The burning pits of the close vote queue
15:06
Because right now these tags consist of:
1) JIRA usage questions
2) TFS usage questions
3) Project management off-topic questions
@rene is a scrummaster. What do you think?
wat?
is gone now ;)
see the above :P
@VadimKotov No, I'm still here
15:08
@rene you know what I mean
It's good to know if we ever get into a scrum with meta we have a master on the RO team
@VadimKotov that are tools often used by programmers, so I expect them to be on-topic, specially those that integrate closely in our IDE like TFS.
hi o/
@rene there is a tag, which suits it better. but no such tag for TFS
Is the following question too broad or OK (because algorithm)? stackoverflow.com/q/46475625/2675154
15:13
@VadimKotov still, TFS questions are on-topic. That sits so close in VS. I didn't even bother to shut it up in my version.
@honk I'm always unsure about algorithms but it looks broad to me.
@rene I agree, I don't try to argue about that
Then what do I need to argue about?
@rene I'm sure you can find something? :p
@JonClements don't get me started ...
@JonClements why do we always need to argue? Can't we just sit around and sing kumbaya?
15:19
@EJoshuaS just did my 40 on those
Cool, thanks - I did a bunch too but not a full 40 b/c I'm almost out of votes already. I'm thinking that I'll probably use a lot more votes on it tonight after the rollover.
@rene Thanks! By the way, I haven't seen Closey for some time. Is nobody using him any more?
combination of broken and no one is hosting it
@honk she's on holiday... world cruise or something... still hasn't sent the room a postcard though...
@gunr2171 what does it need for hosting?
linux and mono at the moment. I'd like to re-write the entire thing in dotnet core so it can run in a docker container but I haven't had the time + motivation
15:23
@gunr2171 okay... so is there a non-broken version that just needs hosting?
@SmokeDetector offensive name too right?
@Adriaan You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
@JonClements yes, that's what sam was hosting.
@gunr2171 And I thought nobody likes to do the CVQ any more... ;)
@gunr2171 working code in gh/bb or something?
15:24
@honk you joke, but I think that's the fate of this room. We've transitioned from working the cv queue to individual cv requests
@gunr2171 ahh... that's called specialising isn't it?
@gunr2171 Yeah, that is what I observed...
Anybody here who maintains socvr.org?
I just really wish there was an actual chat api so that we don't need to reverse engineer the chat page to make bots
@honk yep, did you find a typo or something?
@gunr2171 Much worse ;) Give me a sec explaining it.
15:27
Cloning into 'SOCVR-Chatbot'...
remote: Counting objects: 5994, done.
remote: Total 5994 (delta 0), reused 0 (delta 0), pack-reused 5994
Receiving objects: 100% (5994/5994), 41.09 MiB | 21.14 MiB/s, done.
Resolving deltas: 100% (4243/4243), done.
Right... I'll have a quick play and see if she works :)
@honk if you want you can submit a pr
@JonClements ok, if you need a username/password just let me know
@gunr2171 public relationship?
you'll need to set up a config file
21.14 MiB/s
jealous
@gunr2171 at least you aren't using a 56K modem anymore ;)
@gunr2171 errr... well... the container appears to have built minus a couple of error like bits that scrolled off way too quickly to notice what they were going on about
15:33
oh yeah, the docker container version isn't that stable. Sam ran it right on his OS
Ahhh... Not sure if I've got any Windows instances about
@gunr2171 Maybe it's just me being stupid or my PC. The tool section has links to the user scripts. If I click them, then I'm taken to GitHub. I would expect that Greasemonkey kicks in. However, if I enter those links to RawGit and navigate to the resulting links, then Greasemonkey works as expected. Am I doing something wrong or would it make sense to but RawGit addresses into the tools section?
@honk the userscript links bring you to the github page for the page. you can then hit the "raw" button at the top which will activate greasemonkey.
I'd rather let the person view/review the script instead of "you are starting the process of installing this now"
wow... 880mb...
that's not a tiny image
@JonClements it's mono, what did you expect?
hence one of the reasons to go to dotnet core
15:37
@gunr2171 Ok, clarified. It's me being stupid. Stared at that page for ages and didn't see that button... Thank you!
@gunr2171 or a re-write in Python with asyncio :)
@JonClements go for it (I mean it, it would be fine). Here's the func spec for what I want with the system.
Umm... interesting... already got a base for an async based bot that listens to new questions/answers as well as chat messages and stores stuff in elastic...
@JonClements that is the easy part. You have to track the close voters during the day as well to keep their stats. You not only have to deal with the chat server, also with the main site and it's throttle behavior.
Not wanting to scare you, but just so you know
@rene he just empties the site through his mod powers, no worries :P
15:49
That is a good idea. Mod studies code of Closey .... decides it is all too complex, burns down the CVQ and gives up
@rene I'd hope my experience in building financial transaction systems along with live fraud analysis in financial and telecoms data doesn't let me down then :)
Oh, that is all child's play ...
@JonClements So it's you blocking me from my Virgin Islands account! You bastard!
@Adriaan Not blocking per se... just "rerouted" to my cayman islands account... :)
15:54
@Adriaan No, that is because you're not a Virgin ...wait ...
@JonClements good thing I'm into cryptocurrencies and blockchain now
@rene you meant "No man is an island", right? :p
lol
@JonClements Richard Branson might say 'This man used to have an island' :)
^Also POB and a request for off-site resources.
Hi all! o/
@gunr2171 ahh... looks like it needs a login email/password
@PaulRoub Are you sure it is Request for Off-Site Resource? OP did not ask for such things..
@PaulRoub maybe the new answer is bad, but question is OK imo. Why cv-pls?
16:03
@VadimKotov "Where do I find tool / library / etc." have historically been closed that way. Note that the answers are an evolving list of download locations and methods, some of which have become invalid over time. But you may well disagree.
@PaulRoub "Where do I find a library.." and "Do I need to install specific components" are different things
True. And if you'd picked a different sentence from the question ("I can't find the Network Link Conditioner tool anywhere."), or noted that the accepted answer boils down to (off-site) links, it could be interpreted a different way.
Anyway, this is devolving into an extended cv-pls discussion, which is of no use to anyone. If it's that objectionable, @NathanOliver, could you delete this request?
@PaulRoub done
@NathanOliver thanks
16:42
@JonClements it needs the Stack Exchange account details for a user. If you've got a test account you can use that or I can send you closey's
17:00
@gunr2171 think I've got one we set up ages ago for the Python room bot... Will have a look or let you know - thanks.
kk, no problem
oh, I don't know if you saw in that config file but the data is stored in Postgres, so you'll need an instance for that
17:11
@gunr2171 yup got postgres :)
grespost
17:48
@gunr2171 @honk I, also, prefer to review userscript code on GitHub prior to clicking to install. On the other hand, both Tampermonkey and Greasemonkey give you the option to inspect the code once the install process has begun. Given the number of times this has come up in SOCVR, I think the correct solution is to put both links on the socvr.org tools page. I'll submit a PR later today adding install links. Here's a GIF of using the "Raw" button.
@Makyen Thanks! Both links would be a great solution indeed. After @gunr2171 mentioned the "Raw" button, I was finally able to find it...
@honk You're not the only one that's had that issue. It's come up a few times over the last few months. It's clear the tools page needs both a bit more explanation, the direct install links, and links to the script instructions/description (where available). I'm working on that now.
user177800
18:29
@SotiriosDelimanolis did my part ...
thanks, I've been sitting on these for a couple of days, easier to group them together
:O I ninja'd an edit by Jon Skeet
18:45
out of votes, I'll add it to my list if it doesn't make it
@TinyGiant, Do you (or anyone else) object if I add Magic™ Tag Review 2 to the list of endorsed user scripts? Assuming I don't hear back from you by the time I'm done editing, I'll submit that addition to the SOCVR tools page as a separate PR, which can be merged/declined as desired. [I've not forgotten that I agreed to do a write-up for MT2 :-). Sorry that's still delayed :-(.]
@user0042 RTFM = read the founded manual . Nice :-)
I feel like spamming this as a comment everywhere today meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/349820/…
@Justin I'm always nice ;-)
@Justin I and thought it reads: Read The Fantastic Manual ;)
18:56
Hint: There is another vote button which points into the opposite direction...
@honk Another good proposal. I had to spend some thinking to find the appropriate nice word.
@user0042 I got a rude flag for posting "read the fine manual" and my post was deleted.
@Olaf Honestly? That's quite silly.
that is obvious rude. There are no fine manuals. That is just a joke.
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@Olaf Looks like they're just after you :-P
@rene Especially MSDN manuals aren't actually :P
18:59
@SotiriosDelimanolis I more and more often see: "I have this dataframe and I want that one. Thanks." Upvoted 2 to 5 times. Are these the new kind of high quality questions?
@user0042 Well, that came into mind, but stating it here might have brought me another flag. Why do you think I don't vote since some days now? I just wrote a comment and CVed, and instantly got a rude comment back. Interestingly the same who was the reason for my latest meta. Looks like this time my flag was accepted.
Nevertheless, That shows me I better should not have tried to participate. Oh, well, who knows.
@Olaf Silence is golden ;-)
user4639281
@Makyen fine with me
user4639281
I may be biased
19:11
@TinyGiant Yes, silence all people who tell the truth. Works fine in Catalania.
user4639281
sure, why not
or not, someone upvoted...
Don't worry, the question will go away soon.
I wish that was the average efficiency of contributors
@SotiriosDelimanolis What should I say about now? :P
user4639281
19:18
/drops mic
@TinyGiant /drops mind
2017 and still questions about string equality in Java. One only explanation: the guys who created Java really overestimated the developers: it's their fault.
Java might have good reasons to not allow operator overloading but wanting to use == is so natural they should have at least allowed it.
user4639281
@user0042 I know we all hate on PHP, but if you hang out in the CSS tag for an hour I'll guarantee some hair pulling good times.
@Tiny Sorry for those pings!
user4639281
19:21
@user0042 No problem, its ok
I was so hoping you would do that tiny
user4639281
:P
What? Why does the new top bar not show me the number of items in the queues? Do they not want us to say, "Oh there's only 50 suggested edits, let's do something else."
@NathanOliver or they could have prevented == for some types. What's the point of comparing 2 string references? (one id method could have been provided for this rare usage)
user4639281
@Justin More like "oh, there's only 50 suggested edits, that's more manageable than 10,000"
19:23
@Jean-FrançoisFabre that too
if you code in python or C++ for months, then you switch to Java, you could get caught even when knowing it.
they could have least have defined strcmp :)
user4639281
They could have also used javascript
@TinyGiant I'm just imagining the sound of dropping the mic at stage ;-)
lack of operator overloading is my biggest nit I have with Java. I can live without defining free functions and live in a OOP world but I want foo = bar + baz, not foo = bar.add(baz).
@Jean-FrançoisFabre If you're coding in C++, C#, C for decades, changing to Delphi just throws you back to what the language name suggests: Consult the oracle :-P
19:30
@NathanOliver Read the rational of N. Wirth not allowing it on Oberon. It is quite reasonable. On fact, operator overloading is just syntactic sugar and can be very irritating. For instance using the shift-operators for stdin/out in C++ is such a nonsense. It is only confusing and has nothing to do with shifting at all.
That language has some so bizarre features, like there's absolutely no case sensitivity about symbols, but if you don't name parameters the same in declaration and definition of functions, the compiler chokes :-P
@Olaf I absolutely agree with you on using << for stdout in C++. I'd much prefer it to look like std::print(arg, "some string", 23) or something. But I could imagine that it would be hard to have a nice interface before we had variadic templates
@NathanOliver they could add it at some point.
@user0042 Oracle? Java? :)
I guess we could've just done std::print(arg) without varargs, but that encourages premature pessimization such as std::print(arg + "some string" + 23)...
@Jean-FrançoisFabre They could but I don't think it will happen.
19:34
@Justin It would be cout.print("Hello World"), etc.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I wonder how they'd deal with ==. I don't think they can add operator overloading for ==, as there's already a lot of code depending on == checking identity
@Olaf Bjarne used << and >> just like traffic signs. And that was a bad decision, yes. It doesn't cover multi language consistency well.
That << just saves a bit of typing, something completely discouraged if it makes the code less readable.
@Olaf I've never minded using the shift operators for streaming. It always made sense to me. Maybe it helps that I started with C++ so my first introduction to it was to stream (bit shifting was halfway back through the book)
@Jean-FrançoisFabre No, that other ancient greek oracle ;-)
19:37
I'm kind of looking forward to trying out Abseil (Google's newly open-sourced C++ library).
It still needs better documentation IMO, though
What happened to the last one?
@JohnDvorak What do you mean?
Wait, no, that one was for Java
@user0042 That's the problem. Both C and C++ have too many legacies. C++ additionally sufers from adding more and more features, while using the same cryptic and clumsy syntax. I don't think the Wirth-languages are perfect, but Modula-2 (and it's OOP successor Oberon) has a very clean structure and syntax. What's missing is nothing which could not be added easily. Both would provide a fine low-level language. And a modern compiler would have no problem generating as good machine code.
@Justin LOL! Did they really use that name?? They should have asked a German for it's meaning …
@Olaf Yep: github.com/abseil/abseil-cpp . Google defines it as another term for rappelling (vertical descent of cliffs with ropes)
19:41
@NathanOliver It is a matter of consistency. Python allows operator overloading, but is very clear about how it shall be used. C++ definitively breaks the principle of least surprise. Which is a fundamental desing priciple when it comes to languages, resp. libraries - even more for standard libraries.
@Olaf Regarding the formatting problem C# did it quite well introducing the indexed placeholders in the formatting string independently of the parameter sequence. boost offered something similar after. Neither printf() or the c++ << output operators ever solved that (IMO no to low brainer) problem well.
@Justin "abseilen" (the verb) means "to drop a load" … I don't think I'd use such a library.
@Olaf very classy
@user0042 got it! works both ways :)
@user0042 Don't know about C#, maybe they copied this from python? You can reference the parameters by name from the format string or by the position.
@Olaf Well, we used that term a lot when I did my military duty. It meant: We're going to the haven and take care about the equipment (for sure ;-) ) ...
@Olaf I met C# before Python even was a thing IIRC.
19:50
@user0042 I somehow don't think we mean the same thing. But let times stick.
@Olaf I know other contexts of "Abseilen" as well. The mountaineer's one very 1st.
@user0042 we can say that "Abseilen" means that something is going down.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Not exactly (regarding my 1st mention)
Bob the Builder is here ...
@user0042 'Can we fix it? No we can't.. not without another six months funding and completely rewriting all the core modules' doesn't make a good catchphrase:(
@MartinJames I mentioned @Machavity appearing in the chat. Don't put too much into my sayings here ;-)
@Machavity Hi o/
@Olaf C++ tutors must really hate it when some student raises a hand and asks "What precisely does 'static' mean?".
@MartinJames Theat will become worse if they come from Python.
@user0042 Sure, but I'm sure that#s not the first association most here have with that word.
@user0042 Most unlikely. Python is much older than C#
@Olaf keyword overloading should be illegal, punishable by death or compulsory JavaScript.
@MartinJames You can simply answer: It's completely different from the meaning in C.
@Olaf Could be. I never met it earlier than C# though.
20:06
@user0042 Except not completely. You can still have file-scoped static variables, and function-scoped statics are extremely useful. Both of those behave very similar to how they do in C.
@MartinJames If you mean operators, I fully agree. Keywords normally can't be overloaded (unless they are operators, too). Yes, I don#t use it in Python normally. Although due to its dynamic typing, it is much more reasonable in Python than statically typed languages.
@user0042 Except when it's the same as the meaning in C.
@user0042 Well, there are some intersections, which makes this even worse.
@Olaf I'm not going to give that "Neger" sample :-P
@Olaf Well, c++ introduced anonymous/unnamed namespaces to achieve that.
@user0042 Yeah file-scoped statics should be replaced with anonymous namespaces, but function-scoped statics are still useful
20:09
I mean, if a function is bound to a class, call it a 'class' function, Why FFS call it 'static'?
@user0042 . end of 1980ies v. ca. 2000.
@Justin Singleton implementation, yes.
@Justin They are if you want multithreading bugs, yes.
@user0042 Also just constants that are very local to your function
@MartinJames That's what Python does. But it passes the class as first argument (remember in Python, classes are objects, too) static methods don't pass an object, but just use the namespace of the class (and can be invoked by normal method syntax).
20:11
@MartinJames I only use that for singletons (rarely) or constants. Although I use constexpr variables instead when I can
Oh.. someone mentioned singletons, the OOP thread version of 'Hitler'
@user0042 I didn't intend to! This has not been used by people I know for a long time anyway.
@MartinJames I'd say "Stalin" applies as well :P
(And I don't see how Ernst Neger is related to this)
Java: "You amputate your foot at the ankle with a fourteen-pound hacksaw, but you can do it on any platform."
20:17
@Olaf LOL, I immediately scrolled down to PHP, of course;)
@MartinJames I like the Ada ways
@MartinJames Godwin’s law strikes back ;)
How to shoot your foot in Ada: "After correctly packaging your foot, you attempt to concurrently load the gun, pull the trigger, scream, and shoot yourself in the foot. When you try, however, you discover that your foot is of the wrong type."
@Olaf I particularly liked 'when the program needs maintenance, you quit':)
@MartinJames Why does the Logo way remind me of the Kennedy assassination?
@rene: Just noticed chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/39392626#39392626 . You now add disclaimers to your jokes?
20:25
@Olaf lol, also Forth: 'Foot in yourself shoot'.
@MartinJames Python is fine, too. (Did I mention how much more elegant it is than C?)
There are so many variations of Turing completeness :(
@user0042 Huh?
@Olaf Ada is one of them. But I ever liked that concept as well, yes.
20:44
@Olaf all my jokes come with disclaimers. Who doesn't like them can go ...
holy cow
HHS secretary just resigned
Ron
Ron
o/
o/
@Compass for good reasons?
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