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12:03 AM
@Fred-ii- This request is about a question on Meta. SOCVR does not moderate Meta Stack Overflow. @NathanOliver, @gunr2171.
 
@Makyen sorry I didn't know. Strange though how the userscript I use shows up in meta posts. Won't happen again.
 
@Fred-ii- That will be fixed. Or, at least, my plan is there will be the option to not have it show up on non-SOCVR moderated sites.
 
@Makyen cool
 
 
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2:49 AM
Is this spam?
 
user177800
3:42 AM
@4castle I can't find what you are replying to
 
4:14 AM
Want to ask: Is this a duplicate of NRE: stackoverflow.com/questions/45604288/…?
 
4:28 AM
What's the difference between the SOCVR Request Graveyard and the Sanitarium?
 
@EJoshuaS Quick diff: Graveyard serves completed request, Sanitarium serves cancelled/retracted request.
 
@TetsuyaYamamoto Thanks, that makes sense.
 
4:49 AM
any one can explain dynamoDB read/write capacity scenario
 
5:11 AM
stackoverflow.com/questions/30071886/… I'm pretty sure this doesn't answer the question because it doesn't break it up as asked
But for some reason my flag was declined
 
@UsamaSaeed this is probably the wrong room...
 
@numbermaniac It's still an answer though, and it does relate to the question. The reviewers aren't supposed to judge the correctness of the answer. You would've had better luck with your flag if the answer was about gardening, for example. If the answer makes sense in the context of the question but is incorrect, then comment, downvote and move on.
 
@numbermaniac You did not specify what type of flag you raised, so we would, at best, have to guess. So, here is some general information: Flags are not for when the answer is technically inaccurate. That's what down-voting is for (or when you have 20k+ reputation, you can delete-vote particularly egregious answers, if you choose). For flags, you should assume that the person handling the flag does not have the domain knowledge needed to determine if the answer is technically correct.
Not An Answer (NAA) flags should only be used on Answers which are clearly and obviously not attempts to answer the question, but also including answers which are only links to off-site resources.
 
^switch off and switch on again...
 
5:31 AM
@numbermaniac (continued: for completeness, not that the particular answer we're talking about is thought to be link-only) For link only answers, the test is: take away the link(s) (i.e. exclude any information provided by the link). When you do that, does the answer still actually answer the question (even if it answers badly)? If it does, then it's still an answer; it's not link-only.
 
 
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6:52 AM
^ Spam for piracy site or something.
 
7:05 AM
Morn \o
 
Looks decent but I just got it as "Known bad" audit in the reopen queue
 
@Magisch needs C crowd. @NathanOliver
 
7:26 AM
@SagarV We tend to focus our cv-pls on questions that have had recent activity. You might want to take the tour on socvr.org to find out more.
Specifically this part:
[cv-pls] should not be a habit for users. Don't make it an instinct to fast-track every eligible post to the front of the closure system; cv-pls is for posts that:
* are really bad (low quality magnets)
* are a bad example used to justify other crap
* have recent activity on the question (Edits, VLQ/NAA answer)
* don't have enough users in that tag to close the post in time
 
@J.Steen but another one says don't add recent questions (if my memory is correct)
 
huh?
@J.Steen How would you narrow this down?
 
@SagarV huh? where does it say that?
 
@JohnDvorak Rereading the question, I wouldn't - I wouldn't ask the question to begin with, I'd do some research first. So, invalid request, I guess. :/
 
@SagarV no, your memory is not correct. Just don't fill our transcript with stuff that nobody has cared about for ages. We can use our limited resources in better ways.
 
7:32 AM
@JohnDvorak So what do I do now, ask an RO to remove the request?
 
can't find. looks like there was some problem with my memory. Sorry for the req.
 
@J.Steen your call, do you want me to move it?
 
@rene Could you please remove it? It's an invalid cv-pls from my end.
 
Thanks.
What, if anything, does one use as a close-reason for questions that ask for code improvements with regards to, say, speed?
 
7:38 AM
Too broad might fit
now if they ask "should I use post-increment or pre-increment", use POB
 
Hah. =)
I voted to close it as off-topic because of review/improvement request.
 
7:56 AM
@J.Steen If it is just asking for moar speed I sometimes leave a comment that I see an option to make their code improve in performance by 1ns. That might help to get the much needed focus. If it is working code, it could fly on codereview.se but I'm not a regular there.
 
@rene Someone's already left a comment to not re-run a database query in a for-loop, which is likely the culprit for the slow performance. =)
@rene Thanks for the pointers though. I'll keep it in mind.
@SmokeDetector Both asker and answerer exist to supply a spam platform. Whee.
 
user3956566
 
8:29 AM
^ write me hello world program
 
hey folks, can you recommend SE site to which this question will be suitable -- Favorite an issue in GitHub ?
I think it is off-topic for SO, but could not come up with a new place for it..
 
@YvetteColomb a bit, yes. Could help if they can add what they tried with their subclass
 
@VadimKotov not sure its off topic at all.. most programming related tools are on topic
 
user3956566
@rene yeh, I thought there's always someone with a nifty JS solution, so was hesitant to actually vote to close it.
 
user3956566
Anyway I have a uni lecture - will be back in a couple hours
 
8:33 AM
@YvetteColomb take care!
 
@rene we have lots of questions like 'whats the right status for the task in Jira'. Are they on-topic?
 
@VadimKotov sounds more like something for project management.se
it is not about the tool but about the (dev) process
 
@rene well, I think I understood. Github is programming-related, while Jira is not
thanks for the clarification
 
@VadimKotov Jira is a tool used by programmers, but not all uses are programming related.
 
 
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user3956566
9:37 AM
well this was answered quickly and without the relevant information stackoverflow.com/questions/45609383/…
 
Yeah, frustrating...
 
@SmokeDetector might want to retract any red flags
 
9:59 AM
@Glorfindel beat me to it.. maybe use the userscript for cv requests
 
10:17 AM
@Shadow @Glorfindel I'm suggesting you to use pls-generator from socvr.org/tools/userscripts. Makes creating requests much easier, and they look good after that
 
@xenteros Would be useful to all of us if you also specified a close reason when you request a cv
 
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Q: What is the XY problem?

GnomeWhat is the XY problem? When asking questions, how do I recognize when I'm falling into it? How do I avoid it? Return to FAQ index

 
@xenteros also I'm suggesting you to use pls-generator from socvr.org/tools/userscripts. Makes creating requests much easier, and they look good after that
 
@VadimKotov I'll have a look, thanks
 
@xenteros Ah, with you now. I wrongly mistook xy as a question tag rather than close vote reason. Noted.
 
10:22 AM
@VadimKotov I have no intention of installing any browser user scripts and I cannot do it at my workplace even if I wanted
 
@JackParkinson "wanted to sleep with X, married to Y"
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@Shadow well, it's up to you
 
10:52 AM
@VadimKotov I'll give it a try, thanks.
 
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Q: Burninate [pxe] tag

Vadim KotovThere was an effort to close all off-topic questions tagged with pxe (not started by me). Now there are 53 questions, and they are all closed. I suggest to burninate this tag. Using criterias from here: Is the concept described even on-topic for the site? No This is kinda self-explanatory; S...

 
^ spam, spam, spam, spammelispam.
 
> Due to unforeseen changes in usage, our code now has to support pairs of more than two elements as well as the usual two-element pairs
 
So... not pairs then.
 
They're still called pairs though
 
11:00 AM
They just have more than two elements? =D
 
Yep
 
Soooo, a pair, that's actually a tuple. Marvellous.
 
Although, given the amount of code I'll have to change, I may as well rename the class in the process :-P
 
Coder humour.
 
11:34 AM
@Magisch It is a dupe, an nth one at that. We might as well just delete it
 
Lotta people commenting very similar answers on this question, which I already flagged as a typo, and Moses gave the correct answer in a comment first: stackoverflow.com/questions/45612587/…
 
Ron
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11:49 AM
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user3956566
@BhargavRao can you have a look at this please stackoverflow.com/questions/45610479/…
 
user3956566
the question was edited after I posted my answer - which more or less invalidates the answer.
 
11:52 AM
I'll check in a bit, busting a huge sock net.
 
socknet.. like skynet, but fluffyer
 
user3956566
well any high rep user can look at it @NathanOliver @Nkosi what are your thoughts?
 
Ron
@NathanOliver Dupe or not?
 
@Ron I'm inclined to say no
 
Ron
:(
 
user3956566
11:56 AM
@Nkosi can I tag team you to take this over please? stackoverflow.com/questions/45611854/… I really need to go and the OP is trying so hard - it won't be a difficult solve
 
@YvetteColomb Just roll it back and tell the OP, if they roll it back, custom flag, I'll take care :)
 
user3956566
@BhargavRao I don't want to act like a big thug, as I have an answer on it- there's people in there with higher rep - too scared to roll it back
 
@YvetteColomb I'm assuming they added it to the Q after looking at your answer and realizing they didn't specify the question well enough. A roll back would be appropriate.
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver yes that's the timeline - are you able to roll it back - I just don't want to create a war - given I've posted an answer. If I had no vested interest - I would roll it back.
 
@YvetteColomb meh, you'll be fine. It's your call on what you want there. If you don't fell strongly enough about it then it can't matter to much.
 
user3956566
12:06 PM
@NathanOliver I received a comment that you can't see - it's been deleted that's why I'm asking in here
 
user3956566
I'll roll it back
 
gotta love snarkys, especially in the morning. I think they need to put milk in their Wheaties instead of vinegar.
 
user3956566
oh done! I braved it out!
 
user3956566
omg! now I have another user just copying and pasting code from my answer into theres
 
user3956566
You totally grabbed the code from my answer. — Yvette Colomb 37 secs ago
 
user3956566
12:09 PM
has the world gone crazy?
 
...long time ago
 
user3956566
I think it's time for me to go offline LOLOLOLOLOL
 
user3956566
@Fred-ii- night ducks \o
 
night madame
 
@YvetteColomb \0 night night!
 
12:10 PM
@Floern damn! deleted before I could suggest youtube.com/watch?v=wqnHtGgVAUE
 
and Hi everyone else^^
 
user3956566
@DragandDrop good night copy and paste :)
 
user3956566
@DragandDrop thank god for the typo! LOL
 
user3956566
I really need to go - I love this site - it's like playing rugby
 
@RiggsFolly it's a dupe actually ;) closed as such. Edit: and they deleted the question.
 
12:26 PM
seems wierd
 
Ron
It's the international Diamond problem in C++ day.
Academia is doing self-taught programmers a favor.
 
12:46 PM
^ unclear too
 
@AlonEitan We can remove and if so , what is the most efficient way? and it would at least be on topic
 
@NathanOliver But then it will probably too short to post as a question. I don't know what rfc2898derivebytes is
I think I might leave it for someone else to handle
 
@AlonEitan edited it.
 
1:00 PM
@NathanOliver Good. But now it lack MCVE, isn't it?
 
I don't see how.
well, I guess you could say they haven't tried but that is a bit of a streach IMHO
 
hummm... yeah, i'll leave it as it is then - perhaps someone will answer it
 
I know we should pay attention mostly to new questions here, but if someone has spare CVs, please take a look a those [scrummaster] tagged questions - stackoverflow.com/search?q=%5Bscrummaster%5D+closed%3Ano. There are only 5 left for this tag that are not closed, and they are all off-topic.
 
@VadimKotov close reason? belongs in Software engineering?
 
yeah, or Project Management SE
 
1:08 PM
@VadimKotov ok added my votes
 
@suraj thank you!
 
@YvetteColomb That question was a dupe. OP had not provided a mcve but as more information started being provided it was evident what the problem was and needed to be closed as a dupe.
 
1:21 PM
@VadimKotov I have voted and now the search shows none are left.
 
1:40 PM
This is amazing
I found a very accurate prediction of unreversed serial voting
 
?
 
@AdrianHHH so they are closed now. Thanks for the help!
@AdrianHHH @suraj not sure what should we do with the tag. People suggest to leave at as a honeypot for new off-topic questions, but I disagree: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/298522/…
 
@Magisch So, that script looks for users who gained a lot of reputation on a single post?
 
@VadimKotov See meta.stackoverflow.com/a/354820/546871 which discusses the same thing for a different tag.
 
1:49 PM
@TylerH No
It's for users under 2,5k rep that gained over 20 upvotes a day on at least 10 different posts
Or that gained one upvote per post on at least 6 different posts
 
@AdrianHHH but this tag will not disappear, because it HAS questions, although all of them are closed
 
ah gotcha
can you do one for downvoting as well please? :-D
 
a script that can detect when a user comments and downvotes a post, and the poster then goes and downvotes a post by the commenter, would be pretty good
such votes could be reversed nearly 100% of the time
 
@VadimKotov My apologies, I misunderstood the two different states.
 
1:55 PM
@TylerH SEDE doesn't have a reference to who downvoted what
Although
 
@AdrianHHH np
 
I could make a script that correlates someone making comments with %downvote% or %-1% in it and then getting downvoted
 
@Magisch yeah, unfortunately that would have to be done by employees
@VadimKotov No
 
Welp okay then :D
 
Yay! I got revenge downvotes
 
2:08 PM
@PaulRoub Not sure I agree; whether there is a performance benefit is a clearcut answer
Now, the Q should at least be protected, so people don't post answers saying which they prefer, because that's not what the Q is asking
 
@TylerH Read the answers. "One minifies better"... "not if you use a good minifier"... "but I like to debug the individual statements"... One highly-upvoted answer is a "fun fact" about commas used in places besides variable declarations.
 
It's true there are lots of bad answers to it, I'm downvoting each one I see :-)
I won't vote to reopen by any means, but I think I'll abstain from closing on this one
 
@TylerH No, I'm pretty sure the rule is "CV or I'll stab you!"
 
hides
I did flag that 'fun fact' answer as NAA but it'll probably be declined
maybe if a mod looks at the comments and reads the full post they'll agree with me
rep would be preserved for the guy anyway so it's no loss to him
 
@TylerH /me realizes not everyone might get the reference
 
2:15 PM
hopefully no one thought you would actually stab me :-P
 
Hopefully.
 
@PaulRoub I'm gonna keep this chainmail cuirass on either way...
 
Aw. I was getting my popcorn to watch the shiving. Now what am I supposed to enjoy this bowl of popcorn with?!?
 
well there's always the current US president...
 
Go read an opinion piece on that Google engineer...
 
2:20 PM
lol
 
That was fast.
 
It would be nice to flag an answer as being just outright wrong lol!!
 
that's what down votes are for
 
You can! The 'wrong' flag is the little arrow shaped button to the left, the one pointing down
 
@NathanOliver haha, I know.
 
2:29 PM
Next Project: Make a script that accurately predicts serial downvoting
 
to think that the mysqli_* api is deprecated, good one.
 
@AlonEitan doesn't need an MCVE there, IMO. It has all it needs, unless you want him to add a random list of things as the array
 
Still time for me to hammer it as a duplicate of stackoverflow.com/questions/21164524/…
 
@TylerH Well, I'm not sure - I thought seeing the function itself will add more context, but OK
 
@AlonEitan I'm not certain, but I think that in the case of the user using forEach() and it not working then the function body would be useful to see what he's returning. But from what I can see each() doesn't work on JS arrays, and really this is more of a typo question.
 
2:37 PM
wondering why that got an upvote ^
 
@JackParkinson I agree. Thought that they might using jQuery because otherwise why would they use each instead of forEach (Unless they skipped the manual)
 
@AlonEitan I think they probably did skip the manual and are getting things mixed up :p
 
morning!
 
2:41 PM
I left when my turn was over
 
I don't want to sit in that demo for another 45 minutes if I don't need to
 
Wow, need to get me one of those...
Does that sync up with a calendar or something?
 
but think about the last guy. He had to sit through all of yours.
 
@JackParkinson yup
built that code myself
 
2:42 PM
Seems fairly straight forward but I love the gimmick!
 
: )
that joke cost me a week of work and 99 cents
 
Totally worth it if you ask me...
 
agree
2 days ago, by gunr2171
@Machavity it actually took me a while to figure out how to compute the result. At first I wanted to use the google/outlook api but the oAuth would not be cooperative for backend work. So I ended up with reading an ical file. File contents are cached every 30 minutes, display values are cached every 15 minutes.
2
 
Very nice. You have it in a repo somewhere public?
 
@JackParkinson it's a private repo at the moment. I would need to scrub out connection strings and such before I make it public
because the ical file it pulls from has full event details
 
2:48 PM
Yeah, of course.
 
user3956566
@Nkosi yep -thanks for that.
 
Plop!
 
3:03 PM
o/
 
Ron
Facebook pushes notifications even after you've logged out on a desktop browser.
 
plop kyll
 
@gunr2171 aaand it's down
 
@YvetteColomb, the last comment on the question is priceless and his a good resume to giv me the code neverending question.
Btw I'm out.
 
@Fred-ii- what is the point of that suggested edit...
 
3:13 PM
@TylerH exactly; I have no idea. Edit: I guess the OP denied it.
 
nah, another user clicked improve and edit
 
yep
 
@TylerH I hope that's a joke / only down because of your company
 
Works for me
 
hmm, it worked for me yesterday or two days ago, whenever you shared it
though I guess I shouldn't be that surprised by now that my security team keeps blocking random things without telling anyone
I get a 'server not found' error though
 
normally when a site is blocked I get a different message
it can't even successfully complete a dns lookup
let me try another .xyz TLD site
hmm, looks like they've blocked .xyz TLDs across the board
that's dumb
even abc.xyz doesn't even work
 
time to revolt
 
woot not my fault!
 
Someone should make a business case about how much money is down the drain due to productivity loss by users trying to circumvent the security measures put in place by their own employer.
 
@rene Yeah but the problem is those employers can make the good case of "users don't need to be wasting their time going to those sites"
most of the time the sites aren't actually needed to do the job
still, it's not like I spend a ton of time on isgunrinameeting.xyz
Now, if he put an interactive game on the page... that would be different
 
3:35 PM
Not sure if @gunr2171 is open for FR's on that site ...
For fun it could switch to a JobBoard mock-up when left open unattended for 5 minutes ...
 
.....maybe. A co-worker already suggested I put a spinner on the page to "increase anticipation", similar to the "wheel of blame"
 
lol
I'll borrow the term increase anticipation for my meeting next week with some UX peeps ...
 
4:27 PM
@Barry sigh
 
5:25 PM
Is that last SD on-topic? Doesn't seem MCVE
 
5:45 PM
@genpfault what's worse is that post had an approved edit
a new editor and what looks like a roboreviewer
approved 1205 edit suggestions and rejected 82 edit suggestions
 
6:31 PM
^Also too localized
 
@Makyen @NathanOliver, Please remove this request. The OP has edited to make the question sufficiently clear. It's actually a duplicate, but won't be closed as such with this cv-pls.
 
So hey, I disliked Facebook before
Never tried it or even subscribed
I created an account on it, to find roommates
Now I can most definitely say that I hate Facebook and everything it is and represents
2
 
Woot
FB is evil
 
@gunr2171 xyz success
 
Come on @gunr, it's your last meeting!
Everyone, let's encourage @gunr!
 
OH MY GOD THE PINGS
 
7:10 PM
GO BACK TO MEETINGING GUNR
 
yeah, that meeting was scheduled for 15 minutes, lasted 2
I'm going to need to tweak those display rules
 
" We good?
- Yep
- Yeah
- Sure
- ...
- Harry?
- ...
- Someone wake up Harry ffs
*bonk*
- Uh?
- We good?
- Uh yeah sure
- K seeya"
Technically not a one-box™
 
more like:
manager: "everything good on your end?"
me: "yup"
manager: "ok, we're done here"
 
Lucky you. We have a guy who likes to review the notes from the previous meetings and rehash everything
 
7:21 PM
@gunr2171 Sounds like a decent manager, at least in that respect. Way too many want to do the whole review thing, even when most such meetings are/should be just for the manager to find out if there's anything they need to do to facilitate you getting work accomplished.
 
8:08 PM
OMG, when did the fixed font button get added?
 
@NathanOliver At least 2 years ago
 
Wow. Shows how often I try to do multi line code in chat
 
lol
 
OMG, when did they add stack overflow chat rooms?
2
this is going to come back to bite me in the butt someday
 
@gunr2171 They were added explicitly to annoy Cody Gray
 
8:20 PM
so that means if we ever see Gray in the members list, we know that the largest bomb is going to be dropped and we're all about to be suspended
 
@gunr2171 hmm I'm getting worried
 
SOBotics: SOCVR's scapegoat
 
@gunr2171 yeah let'em die first...
 
 
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10:40 PM
If an answer has a link to imgur (not i.stack.imgur, just imgur) would it cause license problems if I moved it to i.stack.imgur so that the image could be displayed?
 
@AndrewMyers Hmm... I don't think so. However you should use the links that are generated by it, that's what they're used for. However, just make sure that if this isn't your photo and is copyrighted, then that could be an issue. You should go through imgur's policy on this.
 
@AndrewMyers If you don't know that it won't then don't move it. In other words, if you have not gone and found the license under which it's published, verified that you copying it and republishing it under CC BY-SA 3.0 is OK, then don't do it. Note: For many, you will need to include appropriate attribution along with any copy.
 
Ron
10:54 PM
When I mention @someone in the answer text, will they get a notification?
 

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