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user3956566
12:00 AM
@BhargavRao Aaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh
 
12:35 AM
> next time pls dont answer long just answer the steps on how to do it pls.... :/ Link
 
1:48 AM
Ok, I really want a mandatory question for those "C/C++` taggers: "Do you think valid C code is valid C++ code?" if "yes": instantly delete the question and ban for a week or so from asking another C/C++ question.
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user1593881
3:00 AM
@Olaf +1.
 
user1593881
Also lately I see a large influx of in terms of Java and C++ type of questions.
 
5:26 AM
@Olaf then I'd never ask another
I mean, any
 
6:20 AM
fastest gun in socvr? :p
 
^ still up!?
 
@tripleee I didnt get you?
 
W***d*** post not nuked within one minute is troubling, several minutes is a disgrace
excellent choice of question to vandalize though ...
 
it says Blacklisted username.. What is the policy for such users I wonder.
 
@suraj this one in particular is nuke on sight
 
6:30 AM
arent these userids nuked?
 
after the fact yes, but they just create a new one
this is just a subset, there are variations on the user name metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/…
oh finally
 
6:52 AM
@tripleee don't delv spam/abusive posts. Flag them.
 
@JanDvorak it stayed up for 16 minutes, things were getting pretty desperate here ... but yeah, ideally, I agree
 
7:07 AM
Morning \o
 
@PetterFriberg any chance you could turn off Queen's "I am not an AI" response in #!/bin/bash?
I frequently reply to her notices with my analysis and get the response
 
@tripleee the thing is, if you delete something via delvotes, it stays visible to 10ks until a mod comes, undeletes and reflags.
 
mhm
 
8:00 AM
eh, I'll pass
 
8:19 AM
unclear
 
8:34 AM
@tripleee ok, will do that in next release.
 
@PetterFriberg thanks!
 
@Queen f
maybe, not sure, so: no
 
user1593881
Is there a (political) will to ban questions stemming from those bogus online code competition websites?
 
I'd prefer to start with questions caused by w3schools
 
@JanDvorak What's wrong with questions caused by w3schools?
 
user1593881
8:42 AM
Yes, what's wrong with those?
 
OK.. but can we ban w3schools in answers?
 
Why ?
 
I mean, other than that they are often poorly researched and duplicate
 
@JanDvorak I can agree to that conceptually
 
8:55 AM
off wifi got 2 upvotes ? :p
 
@suraj I see more and more "sympathy upvotes" on SO... Maybe it's the case here. It doesn't look like voting fraud.
 
yes I saw the MSO post..
 
@JanDvorak It is hardly C. And even if: do you really think such questions are valueable for this site?
 
I haven't looked at the context, sorry
what question were you referring to?
 
9:42 AM
Some idiot posts an idiotic answer. Gets a downvote. Asks why the downvote. OP comments "dunno" and gives an upvote.
FFS. Why do I even bother.
 
10:05 AM
@PatrickHofman Personally I would even say it's too narrow, since a google search would yield 10e+13879132 answers to use a version control : )
Yet we have comment like answers upvoted : \
 
@EricAya Because you care?
 
@Olaf Yep. But I'm getting "SO fatigue" because of these bozos. Not good for me, and probably not good for SO. Sigh...
 
So much NATO...
 
@Queen f
 
@EricAya I fully understand what you mean. It is frustrating seeing the the same Bad Sstuff pop up again and again. The fight against dumbness is never ending and sometime it feels like those scenes in "Starship Troopers" (the great original).
 
10:16 AM
@Olaf OMG. Yes. Thank you for this awesome analogy. :D
 
@EricAya ty
 
^ OP mentioned it is a server side issue..not part of the problem statement
 
reps hard to get.
 
@nyconing It gets easier over time.
 
10:28 AM
They should now better give rep for finding duplicates : )
 
No kidding. Finding a good dupe usually takes me longer than writing a good answer would.
 
literally, yeah
 
 
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11:53 AM
Hello, first time on this chat so tell me if I am wrong but I don't know what I should do about a vampire kind of question getting a very well made answer so I am trying to get some advice
 
@Gabriel Welcome. Please read the FAQ. A link to the post would be a good start. Please remember to add some text before the link to avoid a one-liner
 
The question and comment on the answer show clearly that the user just ask out of curiosity without learning or searching well on the subject before. The answer is really good but I feel like he is feeding a vampire stackoverflow.com/questions/44238642/…
 
@Gabriel Looks more like the asker has heared something ("CNN") he has no understanding of. I agree he confuses this site with his private information resource.
 
@Olaf Yeah that how I felt about it but since I am quite new user I wasn't sure about how to handle it. Thank for your help
 
12:10 PM
@Gabriel Keep in mind we don't moderate users! And typically low rep users should be careful requesting close-votes here. We don't mop up. You should find this all in the FAQ, though.
 
 
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1:10 PM
I feel there should be a flat q-ban against the phrase "using PHP and Javascript"
 
@JanDvorak Absolutely! Suggest it on Meta, I promise to upvote
 
1:35 PM
I AM AWAKE
AT 9AM. ON A HOLIDAY.
dives back into bed
nah i'll probably get a burger for lunch
 
@Compass it's Monday, get dressed and run to work!
 
@PetterFriberg how do you know he is undressed? Maybe you still use @Tunaki's stealthcam feeds ? : )
 
2:00 PM
lets not dig deeper in to this :D
 
Working from home is the best
 
I prefer not working
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neat, I got the populist badge on a meta answer
 
@TylerH And not for the first time. Congrats!
 
@AlonEitan thanks
 
2:22 PM
Why would I need to go to work owo
 
is owo the new plop?
 
owo is a cat face. Cats can still plop in. Especially one of my torpedo-like nature.
 
owo reminds me an owl's jaw rather.
 
@kayess OvO is an owl's face.
 
: )
Hiya wolf! \o
 
2:37 PM
🐺
 
@MadaraUchiha sup
dropped any meteors on anyone lately?
 
@TylerH Yeah, a couple in the C# room a while ago
 
@SmokeDetector where
er..
what is wrong with 'obat' ?
 
2:54 PM
spammy
type of word i guess
 
 
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user1593881
3:57 PM
What's the policy on someone answering their own questions over and over again?
 
user1593881
And there seems to be little or no difference between the question and answer timestamps.
 
What's wrong with that?
 
user1593881
@JanDvorak Are you serious?
 
Yes.
 
I do it also, don't look at me
I love self made Q/A, specially with same timestamp
 
user1593881
4:05 PM
Even if the code and answer are of poor quality?
 
meeh then you vote to close or down vote :D
 
If the question is bad, downvote it. If the answer is bad, downvote it.
 
i.stack.imgur.com/bHvuO.png .. interface is made to self-answer
 
Just when @rene thought there could be no oneboxes on-topic for this room's mission
 
user1593881
I was under the impression that kind of behavior is discouraged.
 
4:08 PM
hard to do right, yes. Discouraged per se, no.
 
not really you are free to do it, it can be very useful to try and make a canonical, I have tried to make 2.
 
user1593881
Can I link to the post to see what I mean?
 
but yeah while I like it a lot, many community users see it as just trying to gain rep.
@RawN there is even a mod that will give you bounty rep if you do it right (and ask :P)
 
@RawN From what I read on Meta just downvote question and/or answer if one or both are bad. Flag for delete if it will never help any other user. If it's well made it's fine. 1: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/290038/… 2: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/308404/…
 
and of course, close as usual
 
user1593881
4:10 PM
Ok, thanks all.
 
Yeah just treat it as any other post, the only slight difference I make is to let the question be a bit more broad before I close (hence some slack, since answer can contain example ecc.)
it's a bit strange to close question as too broad (no code effort...), if answer is of same op with example code...
 
user1593881
Wasn't aware of the Q&A in one go option.
 
Yeah it's nice, try it out, if you do it well, it's very useful according to me.
specially if you answer in a low-traffic tag, you see same problem but all OP questions are unclear, to specific etc, instead you can make a Q/A as you like
You will miss the 15 accept rep and you better hope that someone votes on it so it does not hit roomba..., it's much harder then answering some dup over and over again.
 
user1593881
To me that option looks like SO's self inflicted spam.
 
LoL, they actually get the exact same timestamp, I just checked mine...
 
user1593881
4:25 PM
I blame my strict upbringing :P
 
Sam
 
 
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6:59 PM
@PetterFriberg @RawN, @JanDvorak, @Gabriel: Even for a self-answered question, the question must be self-contained (i.e. no extra explanation of the Question in the Answer). Self-answered questions can also be answered by anyone else that desires to do so. While the OP has an inherent advantage at gaining acceptance, other people should not be at an inherent disadvantage in answering the actual question (as evaluated by the community).
Further, a question which is unclear/too broad, or any other close reason, still has all of the disadvantages of such questions, and remains less useful to future readers. If there's further Q explanation in the OP's answer, you should edit it into the Q (with credit). There was a recent meta post where something close to this was done where the discussion was about the issue of if the OP's original question was suitable for closure.
 
@Makyen I agree to some extension, where I personally leave some slack related to the mcve, too broad, no code in question, if answer provides the code. Hence according to me you are a bit more free to not show research effort in question, but yeah that's how I evaluate a self answered Q/A. I don't think this effects the answers of others since they have the example in the answer.
 
affects
 
chrome crashed I did how time to edit :D
@Machavity You should help us with Natty ;)
 
@PetterFriberg My POV wrt. the additional slack you are giving is that the questions which need it are salvageable by community editing, rather than requiring that the OP provides more info/narrows question, etc. I believe it does affect the answers of others, because for it to not affect them, everyone (everyone viewing the question) must recognize that the question was self-answered and that the answer contains information which should be in the question. Some won't notice it's self-answered.
 
7:18 PM
@Makyen SO/We have over time have become more strict with the "effort" part, while the question needs to be clear, I think self answered Q/A is a perfect solution to create solutions to a more general problem, hence I can't see how a comment "What have you tried" can fit a self answered Q/A.
To make you understand in my profile you can find 2 Q/A one of them has no effort (the second one) in the question to solve the problem, it's a general problem statement. When I look at the first one probably also this makes no effort to solve the problem.
The first one simple states "This export the report to a pdf, what do I need to do to generate a PDF/A-1a?"
 
@PetterFriberg careful, now he's going to go CV them
 
and the second is even worse...
meeeh let him CV :D
I actually think the community in general is to negative to self answered Q/A, we should encourage it more...
@TylerH and on that one, I also passed a NAA :D
waiting with terror on the cv-pls request
 
lol
@PetterFriberg the issue is that they didn't really think through or future proof the whole concept when they added it, and ever since they added it, they've been very laissez-faire about the whole thing
leading to meta disputes about what quality standards they should adhere to
 
7:35 PM
My own idea is that we should judge it as any other post with some common sense related to the "what have you tried" part.
so for me a general problem description, without any "what I tried" is enough in the question and this is a bit different from the non self answered Q/A
 
 
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9:34 PM
Oops -- 20k+
 
@AndrewLi: Retribution coming back atcha. "Answer" flagged
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Haha
 
@AndrewLi Abuse flag or no abuse flag, this is the question...
 
^
Gave me a chuckle
 
I'll try abuse, see how it goes.
 
9:52 PM
I'd down-vote it too, but I'm almost out of votes...
 
10:04 PM
@BaummitAugen Supported as I'm out of DVs :-)
 
10:24 PM
@rene Another case for the Stack Exchange gems?
Ask at Quora please :-P — πάντα ῥεῖ 1 min ago
 
10:37 PM
I've submitted it myself there. Here's a stack imgur image for everyone:
 
@AndrewLi Larsoned.
 
 
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11:57 PM
@Machavity The exact same user (name) was spamming yesterday. It's spam.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Ah. Wish Smokey would add context sometimes
 
@Machavity Humans have context. At least before Alzheimer let's me forget such stuff :-P ...
 

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