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5:02 PM
rene is a flower with a pot, not a bot
 
I know what to get for lunch.
The naked chicken chalupa.
 
@Compass I had one yesterday... meh
 
It may be meh, but it's not bad.
 
@ColdFire Who isn't convinced or who isn't a bot?
 
It's easy to tell who is a human, and who is a robot.
 
5:04 PM
Are we human?
 
@TylerH I'm a bot whisperer
 
@Compass uh oh. I detect only a "website blocked" page
 
Sam
5:15 PM
 
JAL
Should this be closed as not a programming question (it's really a math question)? How to calculate Median of three Integers using a function in Swift 3?
> I can't think of a logic to calculate Median
 
@JAL yeah I think so. seems math-based to me
 
@sam This [cv-pls] is for meta, not SO. It should probably be removed.
 
Sam
@Makyen Good catch.
 
JAL
Thanks Nathan
 
5:19 PM
np
 
@Tuna I have a user that pinged me for help on a question, but it's spring, no use for me to even ready it : ). If you have time and energy check it out.
 
Sam
@Makyen Uhm, it's actually too far back in the transcript for me to manually move it.
 
@Sam Handled.
 
Sam
Tanks in advantage.
 
@Sam Here is a user script for you.
 
Sam
5:30 PM
\o/
 
kicks sam for 1 minute so he can think about what he did
 
@Sam OK. Interesting. Sounds like we just live with it. Can you edit it so it does not show in [cv-pls] searches (e.g. remove/put into code the [cv-pls])?
 
Sam
@NathanOliver >:|
 
Sam
@Makyen Room owners are still bound to the same editing rules as normal users, sadly. Thankfully Nathan had a script to sort out the cv-pls.
 
5:33 PM
rene wrote it
 
5:48 PM
@PetterFriberg checking out
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I voted unclear
 
@NathanOliver Or that.
 
> I came across your profile on Stackoverflow while reviewing authors for this project. [...] We’d pay you a royalty on all revenue generated and an advance against that royalty.
 
sounds legits
 
Sam
6:04 PM
lol
 
Is that your final cat decision
 
Yes.
 
What would be the final non-cat based decision?
 
Naked chicken chalupa says spam.
At first, I was wondering why they had to specify that it be "naked". Then I realized asking for a chicken chalupa would just get you a normal chalupa with chicken in it.
 
Hmm. Now can I trust a cat or not... difficult choice.
 
Sam
6:13 PM
I've overhauled Closey's websocket CV queue monitoring class. She should be more stable.
If not, ping me until waffles rain from the sky.
 
`stackoverflow.com/a/34278554/2958086 is fixing the spelling of "otherwise" appropriate?
 
Sure.
 
@Sam So if I want waffle to rain from the sky, I should ping you right?
@Sam Do you concur?
@Sam Please answer.
 
@Tunaki what is this, Catch Me If You Can?
 
@Sam Still waiting.
 
Sam
6:17 PM
@Tunaki Only if Closey goes crazy.
 
OH MY GOD A WAFFLE JUST HIT ME ON THE HEAD.
 
Sam
I'm sure you'll find a way for that to happen.
 
Hi everyone BTW
 
Sam
Hiya
 
6:18 PM
@Sam Isn't that the normal behaviour?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ hi
 
goes into waffalactic shock
 
Sam
@Compass IT IS AN OMEN FROM RENE
 
@Compass Need some syrup as antidote?
 
Yes please.
I should have waffles tomorrow.
 
6:19 PM
stackoverflow.com/questions/42165273/… Grumble Grumble moving goal posts
 
Hello everyone! (Sam's Backup Server)
 
@Tunaki are there any benefits to rewriting plain old SQL queries into a Hibernate model in a legacy application? Assuming the data model is going to stay the same.
 
Do you even need to switch to Hibernate in the first place?
In legacy applications... I'd just use Spring JDBC (if Spring is used).
 
No, but it's kind of weird that I have some projects firmly plopped in Hibernate and some where I have SQL as static final strings
its from before spring existed =w=
a true to life in-house database connection factory
and then normal jdbc storedprocedures
I spent a few days getting rid of throws Throwable from this code, for reference
 
you should change it to throws Rock
 
6:28 PM
Hmh
 
I feel like if it works, let it work, if it needs modernization, then I should modernize
 
ah, yep, guess what time it is....
afk for meeting
 
JDBC code is very puky. Oh wait, stored procedures?
 
IT'S HIGH NOOON
yeah
 
@gunr2171 You need to make sure in_glass_house() returns false first.
 
6:29 PM
Meh. WOuldn't use Hibernate then
 
like select foo from bar where baz = "3"
 
Sam
@Clo stop bot
 
@Sam I'm shutting down...
Shutting down. (Sam's Backup Server)
 
it'd be simple hibernate filters, but i dont think i should justify that my time is being spent optimizing if the ROI is ironically more code
 
Lots of entities?
If it's just 1 select statement, you're going to bring a bazooka for that poor mouse
I know you want to eat the mouse badly, but still
 
6:36 PM
It's just weird working on AWS on one end and staring at stuff that predates me graduating high school on the other.
 
Springify it then :)
 
oh, I wired it to spring. I wasn't going to manually wire the other spring module by hand D:
surgically attached the tumor to a spring boot launcher and magically everything is wired.
 
Baaaah. Then you're good to use spring jdbc. Will make your JDBC code looks soooooooooooo much nicer
I would even go as far as to call it beautiful
 
thats sd n right?
if its not an answer
 
n for naa yes
 
6:39 PM
yes
You will never guess who deleted that
 
Natty?!
 
Nope.
 
Ikr
 
YOU WILL NEVER GUESS IT
 
Yam
6:40 PM
GraveRobber started 2.1.1 (debug).
 
@Tunaki thats just crazy
 
Yeah I'm still wondering how that happened
 
Well it is a full moon tonight. Crazy stuff happens on full moons
 
@NathanOliver Isn't it even a half shadow moon eclipse?
 
Yep
full effect at like 00:45 GMT
@FireAlarm k
 
user4639281
6:50 PM
@NathanOliver IT
 
damn, he guessed it
 
user4639281
:P
 
Yuss. Exact 80 days after becoming a mod, and I'm still alive.
 
Are you sure about that?
 
Yep
 
6:52 PM
Oh .... I can help with that ...
 
The amount of snark in that comment though
Just the right amount
 
=|
 
:o)
 
=^=
 
6:56 PM
@Compass Is that an air force emblem?
 
@TylerH who isnt a bot i mean
:/
 
No, that's a cat pout.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ it's a cat face
 
When a cat pouts enough, its mouth moves above its eyes.
 
LOL, you guys have fantasy!
I'm too old for that shit it seems ...
 
6:57 PM
lol
 
So, an interesting reason why Western emoticons tend to be sideways, but Eastern emoticons are horizontal
Western cultures associate the mouth with emotions, whereas Eastern cultures associate the eyes with emotions
I don't know if it's true but I read about it on the Internet once.
 
they do say the eyes are the window to the soul
 
@Compass I think this explains why I started Git Bash right now, thanks I was wondering why I did that
 
wat
 
Lemme dig further: Showing a cat pout means
1. Purring
2. Begging for food
3. Complaining about the cat loo
4. Draw attention at me sucker
5. I did nothing, why are you looking at me
 
7:03 PM
I'm with number 5
wat are we discussing?
 
I love it. I got 2 upvotes on this:
 
IMHO this is an answer. If you don't like it you can always vote accordingly. — NathanOliver 9 mins ago
 
@NathanOliver that answer may be right but the question is awful
 
7:09 PM
Hey, is it just me or did they reorder the buttons in the close vote queue?
 
@Lankymart How so? It is an algo request and those are on topic.
 
@ryanyuyu Are you sure you didn't reorder your eyes?
 
@NathanOliver debatable
 
That algo requests are on topic?
 
yes
some people on meta like to think so but really it's just a write my code for me situation
 
@NathanOliver really, just asking for algorithms is on-topic? Surely there has to be a context otherwise it should be another site
 
@Tunaki Maybe I switched my contact lenses on accident. Or even, on occident.
 
I'm not sure where I stand ultimately on the notion of subcommunities for tags deciding what's on topic for them wherein that decision supercedes the site's guidelines of topicality
 
@TylerH When it is a write my code situation I get that but if it is just trying to find a different process I think that is okay.
 
Seems like a Federal vs State powers issue
@NathanOliver In my view most 'how can I do this a different way' questions are off-topic because it's asking for a tutorial (or the finished product of one) on how to do something
 
7:13 PM
@ryanyuyu Ah you have contact lenses as well? Join the club
 
Yeah. I have really terrible eyesight.
 
@NathanOliver what about this? - meta.stackexchange.com/a/165521/202529
 
I'll defer to that. After looking at the help page it looks like a question regarding a single algo is what they are talking about, not what other algo to use.
 
@NathanOliver what I was meaning about context, I'd expect for a algo question to be on-topic on SO it would need to be related a specific implementation in code to give it context. There is no context in that question.
 
Makes sense.
 
7:24 PM
woot woot the surefire synonym was made
I think I need to thank a lurking mod here :)
 
what does surefire do again?
logging?
 
unit testing
 
sets it on fire
i think im going to delete all the unit tests and start over
 
:)
 
@Compass Just don't get rid of the unit test that makes sure you have all the unit tests you need
 
\o/
 
@BhargavRao What happens on posts like those? stackoverflow.com/q/42144704/1743880 Hadn't thought of that. They had both tags before synonym
 
@Lankymart I agree
 
@Tunaki They remain until edited out. If you asked for a merge, then those would also be taken care of.
 
7:32 PM
I'm out of CVs though
 
I see. Not a real issue though
 
Yeah. You want me to merge those?
 
It's so cold in this room I'm using my horribly heat-sinked notebook for warmth
 
@Compass Is said room outside?
 
no its surrounded by glass windows brb metingingin
 
7:36 PM
@BhargavRao I dunno. I'm reading here that it's not revertible, so better wait 6 to 8 and if I'll remember I'll poke someone :p
> All good tag synonyms should eventually be merged
 
Sure!
 
@NathanOliver I realise what they've done now, IMHO it's not an answer...the author edited the question to take away the tag so their very broad answer would fit better.
 
8:02 PM
@TylerH The only way a question like that is valid is "I know I can do it this way, but due very compelling reasons I can't do it that way"
 
@Braiam Yes, but that's not a case of "I did this, how can I do it another way". It's a case of "I can't get my code to work via this required method"
also, the hell? This code has been working for days, and now it's telling me this random call is undefined
Stupid VBA telling me object variable not set... I'll show it an object variable not set...
 
HAHAHA, having to use VBA is a very compelling reason :P
 
user4639281
8:17 PM
@rene you're funny, I was just about to post that
 
I can assure you rene is not smiling, neither is he funny
 
I'm pretty much insulted by that statement @tiny because it seems you're surprised. Does this mean you didn't notice all my previous jokes?
 
user4639281
@Tunaki Lies, rene is always smiling, and always funny
 
user4639281
@rene No, you stole my funny
 
You're calling me a thief?
 
8:21 PM
RO fight, grab the popcorn kiddos
 
@TinyGiant best part is that you now have to explain it is an joke ...
 
user4639281
@rene You t'ieving t'ief
 
@NathanOliver Sweet or salty?
 
@Lankymart there's no point in implementing the spec literally just to see the garbage-fire bad numbers that would result. This site is not well served by a robotic insistence on seeing code. — David Eisenstat 37 mins ago
 
user4639281
@rene I know, that was more of a facepalm than the actual joke
 
8:23 PM
@Lankymart this is not a question about algorithm concepts. You're wasting everyone's time with your wiki lawyering. — David Eisenstat 15 mins ago
 
@Lankymart Yes?
 
Are those two statements not a complete contridiction?
 
@Lankymart You don't need to copy the comments here. We can read them there.
 
user4639281
@Lanky honestly, except for the lack of a language tag, that doesn't seem overly off-topic
 
@NathanOliver I was after an analysis of those two statements, only reason I posted both
 
8:25 PM
Why are they contradicting each other?
 
user4639281
as for the comments, I think neither make much sense
 
@Tunaki how can something not be literal, but also not conceptual?
 
I'm lost.
 
@TinyGiant being withing the scope is just one of the 3 requirements to ask a question, being clear and with well defined scope are the other two
 
If this turns into a debate over language constructs we better call @JanDvorak
 
user4639281
8:26 PM
@Braiam it defines a reasonable set of requirements, the only thing it is lacking is a language tag
 
@Tunaki exactly!
 
oy?
 
user4639281
?yo
 
@TinyGiant well, it's unclear why he needs a programmer, don't you think?
 
We're apparently having a debate over language constructs, and you're the resident expert.
 
8:27 PM
@TinyGiant answerer keeps rolling back any attempt to reapply the language tag
 
The topic is unknown. But at least we have the expert now.
 
@JanDvorak read up a bit, something about contradiction. That is your territory...
 
user4639281
@Braiam I don't see where its asking for a programmer, I see where it is asking for an algorithm though
 
user4639281
@Lankymart Maybe the answerer needs to back off
 
@TinyGiant a pure algo question isn't on topic the last time I checked...
 
user4639281
8:28 PM
Uhhhh since when?
 
A pure algo question sure is on-topic here
 
grr! The help link being at the button... grrr...grrr
 
I am back
It was cold. Now it's warm.
 
> and is a practical, answerable problem that is unique to software development
 
I am still lost. It was cold and still is cold.
 
8:29 PM
Algorithms match that description
 
SO is for software developers
 
@Compass Welcome, back ;)
 
user4639281
I'm gonna go ahead and quote myself here because I like doing that: If you're closing questions solely because they don't contain code, you're doing it wrong
 
Welcome back, Back
 
@TinyGiant Do you like going to go ahead? :)
 
user4639281
8:30 PM
Yes
 
@TinyGiant I'm closing it because it isn't a problem unique to software development
 
It could be edited into one.
 
user4639281
Asking for an algorithm to achieve a result based on example input is definitely a programming question
 
@Tunaki that I agree with
 
8:32 PM
@Braiam shortcutkeys: g e
 
user4639281
@Lankymart Just because something can exist on another site doesn't mean it can't also exist here
 
user4639281
@Braiam It is a problem unique to software development
 
uh no
 
user4639281
If it had a language tag, it would be even more specific to software development
 
I don't need to know a iota of programming to solve the problem
If being a programmer isn't necessary to understand the answer, it's not on topic
 
8:33 PM
O'rly? Only 10% of knowing how to program is the syntax
 
user4639281
@Braiam So all jQuery questions are off-topic?
 
@JanDvorak In C 80% is knowing about undefined behaviour and integer promotions.
 
What's the question?
 
user4639281
@Compass 42
 
Good question.
 
8:34 PM
I will leave Tim speaking for me meta.stackoverflow.com/a/343114/792066
 
@TinyGiant "On the other hand, if your implementation isn't working, go to Stack Overflow and we'll look at your specific coding bug." .. I'm not saying algorithm's arn't allowed on SO just where's the implementation?
 
I'm going abuse then I think
 
bahahaha that answer made my laugh
 
@Compass What's? - the question!
 
user4639281
@Lankymart It doesn't have to have an implementation, I don't agree with that answer at all one bit
 
8:35 PM
Lol that other answer
 
@Braiam stop closing better questions than the bulk of SO is !!!
 
@JanDvorak stop !!! because ???? and then @@@
 
wat
 
yes
 
8:37 PM
@BhargavRao woot \o/ I earned the Synonymizer myself :D
 
repeats "wat" in a more croaking style
 
@Tunaki viewed 4582 times (in 1 month)
 
Yeah let's transform it with a wiki?
 
So people are looking to cheat at rise of rajas
 
anyone up for it,,,
 
user4639281
8:38 PM
@Braiam I think you're reading far too much into that
 
@Tunaki if you want the post to be gone, it's closed.
 
That works as well
 
How did that live for a month?!?
 
> OP is a poopy head. Now you insult me.
 
8:42 PM
haha. So mature.
 
@TinyGiant what makes a special case?
 
user4639281
@Lankymart Nothing, it is exactly the same as every other programming concept. Read the post I linked above for reference on how such questions should be treated.
 
hmm, what the heck
 
SD doesn't like a 15k user? Hmm...
 
He was black listed for self vandalism
 
8:49 PM
@TinyGiant what percentage of the "numbers" you quote are ancient questions? A lot are well received because the rules were different and people blindly upvoted them.
 
@NathanOliver User is not blacklisted.
 
@Compass use tp- for vandalism
 
Does v also work?
 
8:50 PM
yeah, just don't use k, or tpu
 
woot
 
user4639281
@Lankymart The rules haven't changed, such questions are still on-topic, we aren't solely a debugging service, and the day we become that is the day I stop visiting Stack Overflow
 
I'm already not visiting Stack Overflow
 
@NathanOliver the f removed from the blacklist yeah
 
@TinyGiant I'd be interested to know what percentage of those are also "one liner" answers and what I would now consider VLQ.
 
8:51 PM
First time that I agree with Tiny, some times code just mess up questions, you can ask a good programming question without any code
 
user4639281
There is no "This question doesn't contain code" close reason, except for debugging style questions, and debugging style questions are the only questions to which that reason would apply.
 
user4639281
@Lankymart Those numbers only include questions
 
@Tunaki Oops. Forgot about that
 
user4639281
@Lankymart One line answers are also not inherently VLQ.
 
user4639281
@PetterFriberg That's the first time you've agreed with me?
 
8:52 PM
@PetterFriberg code certainly can, that I agree with but I'm a big believer in at least some attempt in a MCVE.
 
They're still KLQ
 
@TinyGiant : )
 
user4639281
@Lankymart Only debugging questions require an mcve. If it ain't a programming question, it don't need an mcve.
 
Most programming questions without code suck. Even more programming questions with code do so, however.
 
@Lankymart Depends on the question, what type of question it is... often some bad adtempt in question (since people want code) makes question worse, yeah true you need to research effort etc... but I prefer questions (if not about debugging) without some strange attempt.
 
user4639281
8:55 PM
Most programming questions suck in general, regardless of whether or not they contain code.
 
There can be programming questions without code, but there can't be programming questions that doesn't need a programmer to be answered.
 
@TinyGiant I respectfully disagree, otherwise what's the point in closing anything? What doesn't make that question POB or Too Broad, it's specific to a programming language and very vague.
 
@NathanOliver: I noticed that you edited the Crossword generator algorithm imporvement but didn't vote to close it. Isn't it too broad a question? Not discounting the 3 programming language tags used, it's essentially, "here are some broad requirements and here is some code". Thoughts?
 
user4639281
@Lankymart If the topic is too broad, it's too broad.
 
user4639281
If it is POB, it's POB
 
user4639281
8:56 PM
If it isn't a debugging question, it doesn't require an MCVE
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I normally wait about 5 minutes before I vote.
I've got it in a open tab
 
Fair dos, appreciate in the chin wag :)
 
and the count down has begun
 
user4639281
It can be less broad if it includes some kind of code that demonstrates intent, but it cannot be off-topic solely because it doesn't contain code.
 
@TinyGiant Dunno you, but I am not saying that
 
8:58 PM
@NathanOliver: got it and understand.
 
voted now.
 
user4639281
@Braiam Your point makes absolutely no sense to me, so I've got nowhere to go with that.
 
@TinyGiant that I agree with I was never suggesting it was off topic because of that, but without context it seems out of place to me.
 
user4639281
@Lankymart For sure it needs a language tag, but other than that I don't see anything wrong with it.
 

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