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7:00 PM
then say : i agree
not i vote up Up
 
edited
 
Now good thank you
 
hey guys
 
Hey tuna
gunr2171 ,looks angry now ,that why he ping you and that's too chatty
 
o/
 
7:08 PM
o/
 
@Cerbrus I don't think this is missing a MCVE, as the OP doesn't have a debugging question. Lacks research, but that doesn't make it closable.
 
Jim
Aren't we supposed to edit and improve an answer if it was flagged as low-quality because of its length and content, since > Edit if you can fix all the problems with this answer ?
 
@Jim only if it's actually salvageable. The Very Low Quality flag says is unlike to be salvaged through editing. So if you can salvage it, by all means, please edit. Most of the time though it's unsalvageable
 
@Jim If after your edit, the answer is not flaggable as NAA or VLQ, then the edit is welcome
 
@Tunaki Everything is flaggable. Whether the puppies will like it is another question :P
 
7:13 PM
@Adriaan Are elephants flaggable?
Maybe a puppy could like an elephant for supper.
 
@Tunaki I am very flaggable. Loads of flaggable area
 
Jim
@Adriaan @Tunaki The answer in specific is this one stackoverflow.com/a/40913560/2946187 where I edited it, and it was reversed again
 
@Tunaki that's one hungy puppy
 
Fight! Fight! Fight!
 
7:15 PM
@Tunaki My only reason to to k it is it would be a really bad audit
 
First punch thrown. What will the Tuna do?
 
@NathanOliver hmmm unreg user posting non sense? I think that'd make a good audit :p
 
Kinda. I mean anyone who approves it should get dinged but they may wonder why it was nuked.
 
@Jim That's a bit different. The answer as-is should not have been flagged as low-quality. The trouble with the edit is that it's really changing the initial answer; there's no way to know whether this was the intent.
@NathanOliver 20K del then?
 
Sure
 
7:18 PM
Or I guess we can wait for the mod to arrive.
 
psh, waiting was so last century.
 
@NathanOliver :D
 
What I did not notice until right now was tiny has a deleted answer there. What a coincidence.
 
Yeah
 
Jim
@Tunaki in what way would it change the initial answer ? I'm happy to learn :)
 
7:20 PM
The score is not yet determined. Punches being thrown between both combatants. We'll be back after the break!
 
user4639281
which one where?
 
the last sd report
 
@FOX9000 the thing I'd be unsure of on that one is the tag removal
 
user4639281
Don't know why I deleted that, seems to be the solution
 
You were young and restless and couldn't let it tie you down?
 
user4639281
7:24 PM
lol
 
waffle
 
user4639281
meh
 
@rene delete this rubbish? 1 del vote 1 , 2 , 3 (batch 543)
 
@TinyGiant you already deleted and undeleted it once ; )
 
user4639281
I'm just going to leave it deleted
 
7:29 PM
@FOX9000 lad should've left a comment instead of editing, but sure
 
@Jim It's adding lots of content into it. That's really the main issue. It's pretty clear that what it's adding is true, but in theory, edits should be more about clarity and formatting than adding new content. There's sometimes debate about that when the addition are generalization of the post to make it more widely applicable, but that's not the case here.
 
user4639281
@YvetteColomb The deletion of duplicates has very little to do with the answers that it receives. Its usefulness as a signpost is the determining factor for deletion.
 
@TinyGiant Although if it receives an awesome answer, it shouldn't be deleted.
 
Jim
@Tunaki hm ok, I can live with it. Many thanks for answering !
 
@TinyGiant in theory
 
7:36 PM
@Adriaan there was no rep loss on the matlab delete cuz it had aged and was 3 or above
 
user4639281
If it receives an awesome answer, that should probably be added to the target instead; however, I did specify "very little to do with" and not "nothing to do with". Yes, there may be cases where an answer should prevent the deletion of a duplicate. In these cases though, the duplicate could probably be made to be a better signpost if it is not already a good one.
 
regardless of the crappy question net vote
 
@Drew you following me? :P
 
just damage control bots in place :p
 
We had an ios hammer, right?
 
7:40 PM
we had duncan in another room
 
Jim
@Tunaki a few hours back another answer from me was getting downvoted. I made that answer because of the existing answer from someone else had lack of information, so I decided to make a better one. Go figure ... sadly not community friendly but ok.
 
@Drew Brad is the only one whom I know in the list of [ios] hammers.
 
@Jim Have you seen this Meta post? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/121350/… It tries to explain a bit what you could look for after receiving a downvote
 
Jim
@Tunaki the downvoter clearly said "I downvoted because your answer annotated the two answers already given." :)
 
Oh. Well at least you have a reason :)
 
7:45 PM
@BhargavRao chat link last spring, apple-ish
 
JAL
@BhargavRao I'm getting there, just over 100 points away
 
Jim
@Tunaki hehe yeah, but you see how it contradicts ;)
 
@Drew this is the post to be checked stackoverflow.com/questions/31926500/…
@JAL get that swiftly. ;)
 
@Drew C# is Garbage Collected
 
May someone euthanize Fox9000, please?
 
7:48 PM
Why would we do that?
 
@Drew Undo is there :D ...
 
Doesn't seem to be functional
 
He told it's not a dupe.
 
@BhargavRao Nitin Gohel has also a hammer in ios and have been helping out some in SOBotics previously
 
@JanDvorak It just rebooted. Pro fixed it to do that because it gets random 503's
 
7:50 PM
@PetterFriberg Oh, Yeah. I thought he was also a swift guy. :D
 
@NathanOliver might tell him not to dump a message here every time that happens, but e.g. dump that in SObotics?
 
@BhargavRao ios, iphone and objectiv-c hammer
 
wow java just got a exception
Fatal Exception: java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: OutOfMemoryError thrown while trying to throw OutOfMemoryError;
9
 
JAL
ha!
 
i mean wtf is this
 
7:52 PM
@Adriaan meh, a message here or there is not a problem. I also like seeing them because if it happens a lot I can ping him.
 
@ColdFire It actually makes sense :)
 
nope it doesnt
 
Well if you are out of memory then you cannot allocate the memory the exception needs.
 
it should keep some reserve memory for throwing exception
 
@Drew Yeah we need JAL!
 
7:54 PM
surely it doesnt need much
 
Well exception are exceptional. Maybe that means memory intensive as well ;)
 
how am i suppose to debug this exception without stacktrace ofcourse
 
@ColdFire actually, it does
 
still it failed :(
 
It should, then. That may be an Android specific issue.
 
7:58 PM
doesnt look like a android specific issue :(
 
Hi all. o/
 
@Tunaki have you ever encountered this issue?
@MadaraUchiha looks like crappy windows 98 or 2000
 
@ColdFire Nope, never have.
 
Hiya Baum
 
8:06 PM
Has anyone started AdventOfCode 2016?
 
Not yet. I was going to ask if they were doing it again
 
yes i say the first question
gonna implement it tomorrow
 
On a grid a zigzag on a 45 degree angle is the same length as just going all the way over and up right?
 
over?
 
JAL
2 hours ago, by JAL
Did anyone start Advent of Code yet? I'll try to start tonight
 
8:13 PM
Doing now :)
 
Meh, No time for that. :P
 
delete answer ya guys? stackoverflow.com/a/13396275
 
@ColdFire yeah like if I zigzag to the right and up doinf to some point that is the same as just going to the right all the way to where the x points are equal and then up until the y points are equal
 
oh i got what you are saying now
:)
 
8:18 PM
Yuck. Is that a black freehand line?
 
yuck
 
I'm in int mode so no circles ;)
 
-1, not red
 
8:19 PM
:p
 
JAL
I think the algorithm is called manhattan distance
 
-1, just because flower
 
+10 because I can
 
JAL
I wrote a really bad implementation of that in Java a long time ago for a Gomoku game I wrote for an AI class in college
Oh no, actually it was my Sokoban solver
 
8:24 PM
night all
 
night
 
JAL
o/
 
Cya Cold
Well, I'll leave to. Cya all.
 
okay, what's wrong with my query? meta.stackoverflow.com/… second result there is clearly a question with an accepted answer
is it because the search crawl doesn't update very often? that question was only answered 5 hours ago
 
8:35 PM
@TylerH It is "isaccepted:yes" or for the amount of answers: "answers:0" (meta.stackoverflow.com/…)
 
but if you look on the right it clearly accepts that as a query for "not answered"
which I can only assume means either there are 0 (positive-score) answers, or there is not an accepted answer
 
user4639281
@TylerH IIRC there was something about a question not being considered "answered" until it had one or more positively scored answers
 
user4639281
answers:0 seems to work much better
 
Day one part one done. Took 3 submits :(
 
@TylerH @TinyGiant is right here: "isanswered: yes/true/1 returns only questions that have at least one positively-scored answer; no/false/0 returns only questions with no positively-scored answers." see: stackoverflow.com/help/searching
 
8:42 PM
hmm
it should count accepted answers as positively scored
 
Do we have a lurking mod around?
 
done with both puzzles
@NathanOliver I took 2. Forgot about Math.Abs around BOTH X and Y.
 
:)
Part two is giving me a headache since it can be an intersection. Does not play well with how I solved the first part
 
Same. The first one I said "sum up all the cardinal directions".
 
8:52 PM
Same here.
 
I decided to rotate the world instead of myself in the first part. It sorta bit into the performance in the second part, but it wasn't noticeable.
 
@Drew Hey, do you have some del candidates for me?
 
user4639281
@BaummitAugen this
 
the raw list has those that haven't passed 2 days at the bottom
I don't know if Drew's list has been updated with those
 
9:01 PM
the sotdev link is pretty accurate
the fanciness one
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Thanks, but I usually focus on as I never compiled a Java program in my life. :)
 
@BaummitAugen Fuel your hatred (I don't know if you hate Java, but I assume)
 
@Drew Seems to be mostly (only) Java at first glance, do you have some c++ ones?
 
@BaummitAugen I am firing some up for ya
 
I'm a C# guy, so it's expected that I hate Java.
 
9:05 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis The only thing I know about Java is that writing Java-style C++ is shit, but I really can't judge the language itself.
@Drew Thanks! :)
 
user4639281
I'm a JavaScript guy so I'm obliged to say that you should drop that and use jQuery
 
user4639281
Except that I dislike jQuery...
 
we noticed. On meta
 
jQuery is great
2
 
user4639281
@Drew Where?
 
9:13 PM
I think the reason jQuery is so popular is that it's the only JS library that isn't obsolete or replaced by another library in half a year.
 
user4639281
... when people should really just drop the libraries and realize that JavaScript is a pretty darn good language all on its own.
 
@JanDvorak jQuery is OK. It could be better if it used more jQuery
 
not under my fingertips but clearly under the Gothdo Series of humor
 
user4639281
Unless you need to support ie6
 
@TinyGiant hahahahahahahahaha. That's a funny joke.
 
9:14 PM
now there's a gem of a question title
 
user4639281
@gunr2171 Best JavaScript library ever: vanilla-js.com it is extremely lightweight, requires no extra lines of code, and the documentation is phenomenal.
4
 
:P
 
@TinyGiant I enjoyed reading this bloggy thing recently lea.verou.me/2015/04/jquery-considered-harmful
 
@TinyGiant Lulz, even w/o knowing the technology. :)
 
user4639281
:)
 
user4639281
9:22 PM
> Vanilla JS is the lowest-overhead, most comprehensive framework I've ever used.
 
Those comparative examples are really biased...
 
@TinyGiant yes as it's a library that's literally 0kb :-P
 
@TylerH I don't know, my last company offered JavaScript as a download... chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/28287519#28287519
 
user4639281
@JanDvorak how so?
 
user4639281
@gunr2171 lulz /o
 
9:25 PM
Including the script tags only for jQuery examples, really?
 
user4639281
@JanDvorak Well, I mean jQuery does have to be included, though yes, they could have wrapped the fancy vanilla js code in script tags
 
@gunr2171 image not found cuz work blocks i.stack.imgur
rip
 
bah
you need to set up a proxy or something
 
@gunr2171 yeah I dun wanna pay for a VPN
just to view images
I'm just gonna passive aggressively put in a work ticket and link the two emails I sent to people on the security team like 3 months ago and never heard back from
 
if you've got a spare computer at home you can install linux and set up ssh tunneling
that also works
 
9:35 PM
@TylerH howz the NOAA today
 
@Drew two hours early
 
user4639281
@TylerH you should complain
 
I already have
NOAA is currently drafting a response to get back to me
 
Hello!
 
@BaummitAugen 1 del vote 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 (batch 557)
1 del vote 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 (batch 558)
1 del vote 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 (batch 559)
 
9:49 PM
@Drew done
 
@πάνταῥεῖ ^
the 552 from the transcipt is sitting at 2 del votes. 6 of em
so, as you said you did them maybe Nathan or panta can
 
@Drew All done, out of votes, thanks.
 
@Drew I have some del-votes left, if you can put them to use ...
 
@Olaf By my judgment, you can finish off the C++ ones above with a good conscience.
 
@BaummitAugen Oh, I thought you already finished them. Is there any starting point for me or do I have to check them all?
 
10:00 PM
They should be at 2 votes each. @Olaf
 
Hi all
 
Hi o/
 
It's finally December!
So far no snow :(
 
user4639281
10:02 PM
Out of a current total of 12,881,816 questions
 
@Olaf It appears Samuel finished of the first batch by now.
 
~1/4
 
user4639281
25.90238829680536%
 
Didn't delete this Q from second http://stackoverflow.com/q/39218463/584192
 
~13/50
 
user4639281
10:04 PM
@SamuelLiew what Q?
 
@Drew 5 is not old enough to del for me, 3/4/5-8 are deleted. Out of ammo now, I have to sneak for 2 hours now.
@BaummitAugen Thanks, I just started from the end of the list.
:-)
 
user4639281
@Olaf does the windows calculator use floating point math?
 
@TinyGiant Does Olaf use the Windows calculator?
NO!
(I have no idea)
 
user4639281
25% of questions do not contain code. 59% of questions that do not contain code have at least one positively scored answer. 83% of questions that do not contain code and have at least one positively scored answer also have an accepted answer.
 
@TinyGiant: Try 1e50000 / 10. At least the KDE calculator eats it, so it seems not to use normal floating point. But no idea how exact it is.
 
user4639281
10:13 PM
@Olaf windows calculator omits the e
 
user4639281
the sciencey calculator returns 1e4999
 
@TinyGiant What do you mean "omits"? There should be a x*10^y button (or something similar). Or does it not support entering scientific notation?
 
@Shadow can you find a duplicate for this ? Tim reopened it (the question changed, whatever) and he could of easily found a dupe for it for the new question. But of course he didnt
 
Hehe, I didn't know that the KDE-calc is not retricted to IEEE. I learned something new :-)
 
macOS's calculator returns NaN
 
10:19 PM
10000000! = 120242340051590346e+65657059 Wow, that took quite some time.
@NobodyNada For the 1e50000? So it might use floats.
 
@Olaf yeah
 
any 10k-ers with an opinion on undeleting and re-opening this: stackoverflow.com/questions/37617821/…
 
I'm looking at code in images
I hate looking at code in images
 
Yes, it is an issue with an control in WPF
It is best explained with an image ...
 
10:27 PM
If it wasn't deleted I'd CV as unclear
 
@rene I have no idea what the "Rich Text" in WPF does and what not. To me it looks as if there is code missing, but I leave that to the Windows guys.
 
how about to a wider audience as the guy has not been around for months
 
user4639281
@rene Do you have an interrogatory statement you could edit into it?
 
it might look useful. But then it points off to off-topic with Draken
 
@rene Don't count me in.
 
10:33 PM
@TinyGiant re-check please
@Drew that might be a dupe target
 
But it begs the question should that target be deleted
 
user4639281
@rene undelete voted and reopen voted
 
@Drew the question asks how to do math. That the answers can only provide libraries is not the fault of the question
 
ok
 
user4639281
Q: How do math? A: With learn
4
 
10:41 PM
here it goes then
 
user4639281
Two more reopen votes necessary, question is undeleted
 
^ reopened
 
JAL
Yes I got advent day 1 right on the first try!!
ahem
 
:D
 
JAL to the penalty box. 5 minutes.
 
JAL
10:50 PM
meh, need to get back to work anyways
 
that is penalty enough
 
11:09 PM
^is an exact dupe of another account of his, or of one of his classmates. Anyhow, both are so bad I'd rather close them as TB/Unclear and have the roomba get its way
 
afk, sleep
 
user4639281
has the top 3 spots on the starboard \o/
 
@TinyGiant Noice! 👏 =D
 
user4639281
:P
 
JAL
11:33 PM
^ That's not on Stack Overflow
we really only moderate posts on SO, not on other SE sites
you could post that in the tavern though
 
@JAL I don't think I can there.
 
JAL
or maybe find a mod in Security.SE chat?
Well it's gone now
 
I'm off to bed.
Bye! o/
 
user4639281
> Me in the drive through: Hi, I would like a large small dark roast original.
 

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