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5:01 PM
@NathanOliver: Seen the emoticon? I never had the (questionable) "favour" meeting that annoyance, because I simply could avoid using MSOffice. Was happy with LaTeX and StarOffice back then (which became OpenOffice which became LibreOffice)
 
@Olaf Lucky you. I was not so lucky.
 
@ryanyuyu Tsk tsk tsk, these kids today ... you know you how to make one feel old
@NathanOliver: Oh, I very well noticed the bad looks of my colleagues. But then it was not my fault I could get a good contract.
 
:)
Just want to sound it out in here before I take it to meta but should there be a specific close reason for not debugging your code?
 
5:24 PM
@NathanOliver Service is pretty bad yeah. Maybe we should revert the nomination -- clearly it wasn't a good choice.
 
@Tunaki I know. We need to talk with rene
 
@NathanOliver: You mean something like "OP shows no effort"? I support this, but then we don't need to take any new C questions.
 
@Olaf Well a question like this should have never even come up. The OP should have used his debugger to see what is going on. It would be nice to have a close reason for it.
 
@PetterFriberg - As an FYI, Mr. Hill didn't take kindly to my removal of the argument he got into with y'all here: stackoverflow.com/a/3334585/19679 , as can be seen here: twitter.com/quezocotl/status/783716948559302656
 
@NathanOliver: I hope I did not invoke the impression I don't support such a CV reason:-)
 
5:36 PM
@Olaf No you didn't. I confused what you meant.
@BradLarson Making friends again Brad?
Also was there any wrong action done by the room?
can't see the comments :(
 
And that's part of why I don't use Twitter. It's sometimes like sucking bile through a straw 140 characters wide
 
@NathanOliver: Just had this question. OP could have answered himself with minimal effort searching.
 
sigh
 
Looks as if thinking by oneself has become unhip.
 
@NathanOliver No, this is a pretty clear indication that the various people flagging this made the right call. Other people here had also flagged and removed some other bad comments by them on other posts that this brought to light.
 
5:39 PM
@Olaf Yeah.
@BradLarson OK. Thought so but I just wanted to make sure.
 
@BradLarson Boy he's sure going to town on you rtweets
Moments like this really shine a light on Twitter's glaring disregard for harmful behavior on their platform
there's no flag or report option on tweets or even accounts
 
Eh, at least he's not calling and harassing me at work.
 
harassment doesn't get handled by them unless it gets national media attention, usually
it's absurd
I hope he doesn't mind being banned from Stack Overflow for 10 years :-)
 
@TylerH Really? No wonder so many people just quite over harassment.
 
I'm convinced that if SE could convince Twitter to use the same sort of intelligent throttling used by the anti-trolling system, combined with a viable flagging system, you'd see this kind of trolling drop off dramatically. The SE system is surprisingly effective, even against motivated harassers.
 
5:44 PM
@NathanOliver yep, and even people with 'verified' accounts (the checkmark next to their acct name) have trouble with getting anything done about persistent (and in same cases, very illegal) harassment
 
Anyone here mind helping to test something?
 
@TylerH thats sad
@Undo sure
 
@BradLarson I'm convinced any anti trolling system would make it drop off dramatically
 
@NathanOliver run !!/blacklist-dangerous hypothetical\.spam\.domain\.com
 
right now you can only @ twittersupport and hope someone reads your tweet
 
5:45 PM
!!/blacklist-dangerous hypothetical\.spam\.domain\.com
 
@NathanOliver You don't have code privileges, but I've created a pull request for you.
 
There we go
 
oh I wanna try
since I'm a smoke detector super user
!!/blacklist-dangerous hypothetical\.spam\.domain\.com
 
Cool. Auto PR for bad links?
 
@TylerH You don't have code privileges, but I've created a pull request for you.
 
5:45 PM
@NathanOliver And automatic blacklist if you have code privileges
 
(I replaced the batteries with a rootkit that lets machines siphon electricity off of it)
 
Nice. You guys are getting fancy :)
 
@NathanOliver next week they're rolling out moustache and monacle filters for all the moderator avatars
srsly fancy
 
rofl
@TylerH !!/monopoly-man -on?
 
no top hat
this attempt has been logged
 
5:49 PM
:)
 
@BradLarson Looking at the system from the outside I would say it does a pretty decent job. I do not get to see all of the stuff you guys do but I think the system does a pretty good job.
 
@BradLarson Yeah was not hard to see that something like that would happened, luckily I can hide behind the mod flag :D
if they let us run our bot on twitter we would have caught that to :D
 
@PetterFriberg lol
 
Is there something special about this election that I missed?
 
6:03 PM
Hello!
 
I speak as someone who knows nothing about the US history.
@NobodyNada Jello
 
Hiya Nobody
 
@Rubisco yes
there's never been such an unqualified candidate as Trump who has broken several previously unbreakable rules in politics
 
@Rubisco IMHO yes. It is the first time we have to pick between a crazy person and someone who should be facing charges. I fell both candidates are completely unfit for the job, and that is ignoring political views.
 
@TylerH I was thinking something that looks more of a reason
You know, historical reasons
 
6:06 PM
@Rubisco what do you mean
 
Hiya Nobody
 
historical reasons that this election is different?
 
@TylerH Something about the process
 
than previous ones?
oh, no the process is largely still the same
 
Mhm
 
6:07 PM
though Trump has done or two things differently
 
Well, at least Jeff made it look like that
 
i thought jeff wasnt active on the site
 
So they worry the number of voters will not be a lot this time because they have to choose between an old fox and a baboon?
 
the thing is as a candidate he's done so many things where every politico who watches has said "that's it, he's over, he's gotta withdraw now" and he just kept going and stayed in
 
Is that it?
Nothing more interesting?
 
6:08 PM
are you speaking about the US election still?
 
Yes
 
or a mse election now?
 
Can meta.SE have elections? O.O
 
well I haven't read that thread so I dunno what it's about
 
Anyway yeah, there's another election going on. Chem.SE
 
6:09 PM
@Rubisco Jeff is relating trump to Hitler. I guess the logical conclusion is that if trump is elected the poop is going to hit the fan.
 
no, people are worried that trump will win because the masses of people we knew existed but never worried about b/c they were so ostracized and marginalized and ignorant that they never bothered getting involved in the process, and now they're out in force supporting trump and there's a huge number of them
because they finally have a candidate who thinks like them
(per some of their own words in interviews)
Jeff seems to be saying "no we shouldn't run similar ads for other places w/ elections because we're doing this as a political statement that Trump might win and we don't like that notion"
it actually seems way more invasive than the rainbow colored SO logo from a year ago
 
@NathanOliver Humans are stupid. They keep repeating a cycle every 70 years.
 
@TylerH Yes, it reads exactly that way.
 
Called life.
 
@Rubisco luckily some scientists are now combating aging specifically and so we hope to increase that cycle to 80, 90, or 100 years soon
 
6:12 PM
@Rubisco US americans are stupid in particular.
 
which would be a nice little bandaid
 
@Rubisco Yep. As a guy here likes to say: Just imagine how smart the average person is. Now realize half the people are dumber than that.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ hey now, only we can call ourselves stupid!
(but yes we are often stupid)
 
@TylerH The britains are as well :P
 
@TylerH lol
@πάνταῥεῖ lol why dont you say all then
 
6:14 PM
And many germans are too ...
 
Hitler comparisons are very offending to me. That as*le has ruined the reputation of centuries of germans until today. All the good people and ideas from my country have become a bad taste to so many people. Such comparisons disqualify anyone who brings them up.
 
Iranians are not stupid at all though.
Sometimes.
@Olaf Wow, no that's not true.
 
I'm surprised that Brad did not even suspend the user that's a really mod pro!
 
When I think of Germany, I think of Merck before Hitler and Nazis.
 
6:18 PM
@Rubisco The non stupid ones are suppressed, that's the culprit
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I don't call it suppression. Just being tossed into the corner.
 
@Rubisco: Not true for educated ppl. But still for a lot of ppl. in the world. And even if they don't think like that, it still is a welcome excuse for their own cruelties they did. And yes, I did experience this.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ WOULD YOU PLEASE edit that 'cuplprit'?
@Olaf Well . . . Look at how many people say Microsoft sucks and it still hasn't turned into a vacuum.
Sometimes it doesn't matter what people think, or make themselves think.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I knew that after brexit
of course boris johnson has been in public life long before brexit, so... :-P
 
@Rubisco Considering how many ppl today expect the most complex toll mankind has developed should be as easy to use as a pen, I'm not sure they did not actually ;-)
 
6:23 PM
@Olaf You should understand that, unlike in Germany, naziism and hitler are not taboo subjects in the US
in fact they are very popular subjects to use as punching bags or even talking points
 
@TylerH Similar silly blonde hairdo like D. Trump :P. What would you expect?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ they honestly could be separated at birth
 
note that Godwin's Law extends to people not in the room, including Mr. Trump
 
@TylerH: Oh, I'm aware of that. But to me it shows a major lack in sensitivity and empathy to the ppl who suffered from this. including many germans. That was nothing specific to Germany, just read "The Wave" and about the original experiment.
 
@Olaf Or watch the movie
 
6:26 PM
@Olaf The world is overflowing, not with lack of empathy, but with apathy.
At this very moment Taliban is killing people in Afghanistan.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ: I saw it, but movies on such subjects are often - well - not that immersive.
at leat to me, ymmv
 
@Rubisco Or silliness (lack of good education)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Downvotes the world
Oh, bummer. It says I don't have the rep to vote.
 
@Rubisco: And NATO is killing ppl in - Afghanistan. So the conclusion is: there are too many AHs. (heck, it really is problematic not to swear actually)
@πάνταῥεῖ I strongly differentiaate between silly/stupidity (not knowing/lack of information) and ignorance (not wanting to know). Problem: with the internet, the former becomes less and less a valid excuse.
 
@Olaf two types of people in this world. Those that can be abused to get more political power, and those that can't, either because they're useless, or they're the abuser.
 
6:31 PM
@Rubisco: All that will not be solved by applying a "be nice policy" to the world. Or enforcing twisted speech by demanding "political correctness".
 
@NathanOliver no problem this time, but I really have no problem if you state that the SOCVR room was not involved, since it was only visibile in SOBotics room (I know we are present in both rooms, but no need to take responsibility for our actions)
 
@Olaf We should find an alien race called modaratorz to add a binding close vote on it
 
@NathanOliver related to Brad's comment
 
@PetterFriberg No problem. I just didn't know the context so I asked. I figured everything was OK.
 
@Rubisco: Or we (the human species) stop behaving like id*ts for 5 minutes. Could be an amazing experience.
 
6:34 PM
SOBotics called out on Meta. The bots will be answering.
 
@Olaf Speak for yourself. I'm an enzyme.
@Tunaki Linky
 
@Rubisco Oh no. Hypothetical :)
 
@Rubisco: So you dissolve/construct - what?
 
@Tunaki Well they are getting badges so they might as well start answering questions.
 
@Olaf not wanting to know is willful ignorance or cognitive dissonance
ignorance itself is simply "not knowing" and is not something to be looked down upon
 
6:36 PM
@Olaf I'm part of the Calvin cycle. I'm the reason life got so complicated.
 
inherently, anyway
 
@Tunaki You bet we let Burnaki answer
 
@TylerH: Ok, that's different in my language then. Thanks, so I can go to bed already, that was my new thing to learn for today ;-)
 
Well I'd prefer to be ignorant than silly. As long as I know what I'm ignorant in.
 
@Olaf That's true unfortunately :/
 
6:38 PM
e.g. "I'm ignorant of the facts" means exactly "I don't know the facts", not "I don't want to know the facts"
 
@Rubisco: Calvin & Hobbes?
@TylerH: Yes, I understood the first hint already ;-) Of course I meant "willful ignorance".
 
sorry, was still typing but got side tracked by something else :-)
 
@TylerH: Don't take me too serious. I don't do either :-)
(maybe that's the major problem with ppl? They take themselve too serious. Maybe we all should be required to read the HHGTG and the Discworld novels.)
 
@Olaf Now this reminds me of one of those SMBC's.
 
6:57 PM
@Rubisco: Well, the HHGTG helps adjust your position. I read it every 5-10 years at least (just happen to read the books currently)
 
@JAL doesn't looks like a good dupe IMO
isn't there a canonical "How to parse JSON"?
 
JAL
Oh your right, try this: stackoverflow.com/q/5547311/2415822
that better?
 
much better :)
 
JAL
thank you
 
thank you
 
7:02 PM
thank you
 
Hi @JAL!
 
JAL
hello!
 
jello!
 
JAL
yum
 
kello!
 
7:03 PM
lello!
 
Are you still in Germany?
 
JAL
I am back stateside, was only in Berlin for 4 days
Is an auto-flag raised on comments with duplicate content: see the comments under this question
 
@JAL only if its an exact dupe IIRC
 
@JAL per this, no
 
JAL
hmm, I smell a feature request. thanks
 
7:12 PM
np
 
oh those are comments
 
proof people do not read ;)
 
I did read, because I know they are comments
en garde
 
à l'attaque!!
 
I would skewer you where you stand were I not aware of the penalty, an entire week in a cage with Kyll
 
7:15 PM
lol
 
so remain with your honor and your entrails intact, good sir!
 
If it makes you feel any better I was about to say the same thing until I reread what he said
 
^ spamming for votes ^ ;)
 
I really wanted your rep to be 661, not 662
but I'll allow it this time
 
JAL
7:18 PM
just asking for community discussion :)
 
sure...
 
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
Look at the 11th comment most used in the past month data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/551200, reaching 51 occurences where it's still present.
 
@Tunaki Haha
 
Not the query I had in mind but the result is still awful enough to share
 
7:28 PM
we have the same :(, but I restricted to past month
@rene how did that not time out?
 
@rene Thank you very much!
 
@Tunaki rene is super pro
 
@rene might want to share that with a mod... (or Andy)
 
@Tunaki rene has a premium account.
 
@rene nice
@Tunaki becoz flowers has no timeout, it is only for humans
2
 
7:31 PM
Well my learn to use a debugger made it on the list. Only 13 occurrences so many of them must be on deleted post or have been deleted.
 
> json_decode() expects parameter 1 to be string, array given
 
@rene The 5th one there looks a lot like the canned comment we use. But where I post it, it's almost guaranteed to be deleted with the answer.
 
Repeated 5 times?
 
Perhaps it's an OP that commented under 5 answers.
 
7:33 PM
Why is this tagged Java? 13 occurances
 
@ColdFire We have found a new toy, haven't we my friend?
 
rene passed an audit!
 
> I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is about licensing / terms of use / legal issues, not programming or software development. See the [help/on-topic] for more.
Canned comment.
Is it SOCVR's?
 
7:42 PM
When you're absolutely sure the post is an audit
 
@Rubisco I think it was used on the great legal burnation.
 
afk for lunch
 
@Compass Yeah... I also saw that one and flagged it.
 
My library is watching me :3
 
That's one haunted late answerer.
 
7:44 PM
@Tunaki it is deleteable.
 
2 spooky
what if it's real?! <.<
 
@NathanOliver Out of del votes :p
 
We'll never know. Someone being hunted by his library, and we voted to delete. He is eaten by a grue or swallowed by cthulu. We are the real monsters of this story.
 
too unreal
 
@Compass sad, maybe true
 
7:45 PM
@Tunaki bummer
 
@enderland Jeff doesn't own SE anymore... — Servy 48 mins ago
And he doesn't seem to be particularly popular either
 
now its time to write stack overflow spooky fan fiction
Seriously though, that is one of the weirdest answers I've seen <.<
 
rene passed an audit!
 
I asked this question on meta; It was marked as Duplicate; but I don't agree with it as the links pointing to duplicate are requesting for new features while my question is on what community is expected to do or doing. Does anyone agree with me that this question is not a duplicate? :)
 
@rene You've reviewed 40 posts today (of which 2 were audits), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 26 minutes and 51 seconds, averaging to a review every 40 seconds.
 
7:51 PM
:/ those questions are super specific
even if they do have the answer, i'd prefer it on a generalized question vs a specific one
that being said, upon reading your question
 
is it possible to blacklist a tag if another tag is already picked, without synonymizing them?
I feel like we do that already
 
it's basically a summary of those. If you could generalize it, I'd be more in favor of reopening <.<
 
e.g. if you pick sql-server you can't pick mysql?
 
Do note we do not moderate meta here.
 
7:53 PM
I guess not, because you couldn't properly tag migration questions then
unless you tag it sql-server and migration
is there even a tag? (tagging here so I can check easily)
yes, 5800 Qs
 
We don't moderate Meta because it is beyond our comprehension. Kyll tried once and he dresses funny ever since
11
 
I thought that was just the garb of his people
hah! @NathanOliver has such little MSE rep!!! (meanwhile I have approximately 30 more points than him)
 
@TylerH :'(
I get so upset with Meta.SE that it try and stay away. I hate I cannot have my moderation privs.
 
#feelsbadman
@NathanOliver one good [discussion] answer and you'd have at least 1k
 
@NathanOliver IKR. Having to wait on queues for edits like we're noobs
 
7:59 PM
wait, there's meta rep?
 
Meta.SE
Rep counts there
 
the blue meta site
not SO's meta
 
Yeah, the one I always misclick on mobile SE app
 
oh
i know that D:
 
@Machavity java and php are best
 
8:04 PM
Eww. PHP
 
@AndrewL. see that link and you will understand what i mean
gn all
 
@ColdFire I thought the Lisp was the best
 
Yes you start with a cup of Java and then open up a PHP document and then pour Java over your computer. They have a real chemistry, you can practically see the sparks fly!
@Machavity Lisp is pretty good but it's often misunderstood by people unless they really pay attention to it
Come on guys, throw another one at me. I can do this all day
@AndrewL. I have a cousin named Niall. I hope that's not him or I'll feel bad
 
:P
 
8:12 PM
"Hey cuz, you haven't talked to me in two years and you close my question on Stack Overflow? Thanks"
 
@TylerH octave malbogle :p
 
@Adriaan If'n yer hit me in ma'bolge I'll go a whole octave higher
yeah, that one was a bit of a stretch
 
What should this be CV'd as?
 
@TylerH are you making puns on demand?
 
8:24 PM
Is there a limit to amount of dupehammers you can do a day @πάνταῥεῖ?
 
@AndrewL. 50
Assumes you do nothing but dupe things tho
 
@AndrewL. The same amount I have as close votes per day (50)
 
But they're separate from CV's right or no?
 
@AndrewL. nope
 
@AndrewL. No they aren't. I'm using normal CV's also.
 
8:27 PM
Oh. I see
 
Guys... the library is watching me! D:
 
@Tunaki How the heck did you find that?
 
@PetterFriberg Probably NATO
 
@Machavity hmm nope, it does not show edits...
 
8:30 PM
@PetterFriberg Meant initially. Once it's flagged it's in your flagging history
 
@PetterFriberg Seems I flagged it
 
aah ok
@Tunaki the last ones can not be flagged VLQ, to old..
 
oh yeah
 
no there was a really weird late answer that was spooky about a person being watched by the library :V
`stackoverflow.com/review/late-answers/13895474 it reads like something out of a horror movie
And my belief is that it was a call for help, but as we have deleted it, the user has now been eaten by a grue, or a cthulu. In summary, we are the real monsters of this story.
 
@Tunaki wow 30k helpful flags. Fells like just yesterday when you hit the 10k helpful flags :p
 
8:34 PM
@Rizier123 :)
 
Feb 20 at 20:08, by Tunaki
10K helpful flags :) http://i.stack.imgur.com/EjW7F.png
Yesterday was in February :)
 
Almost yesterday.
 
@Tunaki Congrats!
 
a screenshot?
can you not see the answer?
 
8:36 PM
meh
 
but you need to work here.. data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/425986/… still 3rd place :D
 
no need to repeat its content @Compass
 
But I like spreading the story of the stackoverflow user eaten by a grue :(
 
@Compass Cthulu is a close friend of mine, so what are you asking about?
 
My attempt to start the Stack Overflow Spooky Fan Fiction Club has flopped :(
 
8:38 PM
@PetterFriberg I would need to start believing again in the actual usefulness of closing as duplicate and avoiding repeating answers......
@Compass I'm in!
Still a flop maybe :(
 
If nothing else, we'd probably get some hilarious writing prompts.
 
@Compass i can't. the answer is deleted and i don't have 10k rep (yet)
 
It basically was a nonsensically creepy message that you'd expect to be in a horror movie
i dont have 10k rep but I guess I can see it since I reviewed it?
 
@Compass Probably yes
 
@Tunaki I've got 10k helpful points
 
8:40 PM
@Compass I'm the ghost lurking in your loo's sink :/
 
does that count for anything
 
spoopy
 
@TylerH nope
 
@Compass Somehow, yes :)
 
What happens to those users who ask questions that never get an answre?
it one-boxed the comic it's too smart for me
 
8:44 PM
@Compass They'll get a tumbleweed badge :P
 
Today's xkcd is relevant too! xkcd.com
hmmm, what happened to tripod
 
@Compass Lost one leg and stumbled
 
apparently still alive o.o
 
@Compass Creeping though
@Compass Do you need some re-northing again? (I could probably magnetize you to some degree)
 
8:50 PM
@Tunaki Yeah...
 
Note that not a single one of those is marked as duplicate. And they are answered accepted for the majority. And well, that's only the very tip of the iceberg.
 
alternatively, link the message and write f <.<
i.e. :33300351 f <-
 
@Tunaki Yeah SO is one full dupe mess, we need repz for every question closed as dupe... that's the only hope... I have a 1/2 made meta on this..
 
^Done that now
 
incorrectly blacklisted because of a deface - iirc users who deface their own post(s) shouldn't be on the blacklist stackoverflow.com/users/6684599/sunnyonthecoast
 
8:55 PM
@Tunaki User is not blacklisted.
 
@dorukayhan status-completed
 
Yeah the f commanad I think
 
9:09 PM
@Tunaki T_T
@ryanyuyu I was but you missed your shot
 
@Drew When you have some time tomorrow at this time, ping me to discuss the CVMOD idea. There's some nice things in there, I'd like to discuss it.
 
9:28 PM
sure thing
 
Two new NPE unclosed answered and largely (up)voted on. I'm out. Cya
 
9:47 PM
@Tunaki where?
 

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