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5:00 PM
@NathanOliver no more Lenovo sales in the EU in that case, due to anti monopoly laws
 
@Kyll superfish?
 
Oh hey they talk about Superfish in the article too!
@ColdFire Yeah. Criminally misconfigured adware that could easily allow anyone to run MitM attacks on a machine by putting an always-trusted certificate in Windows, and storing the private key in plain sight (or so).
 
guys, before jumping to conclusions this is more like Windows XP when sata came out, basically the installation media doesn't have the appropriated drivers for it
 
@Braiam Meh.
 
@Louis Yeah. I know I will not be buying a PC from them.
@Adriaan It is unclear from the article but it loks like it may b US only as it is legal here for some f'ed up reason.
 
5:03 PM
(fun (not yet verified) fact: you can't even install windows 10 on those systems)
 
@Kyll Oh, I'm not saying "I would have totally bought a Lenovo but for this." I've never bought a Lenovo and now it looks I never will but if other manufacturers get grand ideas they'll join Lenovo in the insta-disqualified category.
 
I thought Tuna was Superfish
 
@Drew SAME HERE
 
Am I superfish?
 
@Drew Tuna is SuperTuna
 
5:07 PM
Is that a superhero, or a superzero?
 
superzero i guess
 
does Tuna wear a cape
 
superhero cant be a fish
 
@Henders yeap, 16 years on the same alternator... that's pretty decent
 
lol. Your alternator can now drive :)
 
5:15 PM
but only until 9PM
and not with anyone else in the car unless they are a family member
and they must be over 21
actually I think the driving age in America should be higher
people would moan though because no mass transit
 
@TylerH That is a big barrier for raising the age.
Heck here you can drive at 13 as long as it is agriculturally related. no license needed.
 
Stick a pig in that passenger's seat and you're golden!
 
Hmm, it's not spam, it's just a terrible Q
 
ty tunaki
 
5:25 PM
@NathanOliver sure if you're driving a tractor that's not a big deal
because you're not on the road
but I think 16 is too young
especially considering you can't drink until 21 here
 
@TylerH Not just that. You could drive a truck into town, on roads, if it is farm related.
 
that's a bit backward; you get confident behind the wheel of a 1-ton death machine before you learn how to hold your alcohol
 
@TylerH drink and drive, both at 18 here
 
@TylerH Well that I think should be lower. 18 at least.
 
@TylerH Tractors actually need to use roads to get at the acres
 
5:26 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ yeah yeah blah blah roads dirt paths etc. I'm talking about highways and cities/towns
 
@Adriaan Why should one drink and drive if you can smoke and fly? :)
 
IMO drinking with your parents supervision should be like 14 or 15
keeping in mind all medical research says drinking is absolutely terrible for brain development of minors
but I can't see our deadly and dangerous stygma about alcohol going away as a nation until we let younger people drink without fear of legal repercussions
at the very least we need way more stringent driver license practical exams and also mandated drivers ed courses
 
@Adriaan 18? 21? Eh, you can drive at 16 here.
 
It'll be a moot point in a couple decades when most cars are autonomous
 
Technically, you can't buy alcohol before 18 though.
 
5:29 PM
@Tunaki used to be 16 to buy alcohol here; changed the law a few years back. Oh well, I didn't start drinking until 22 anyhow
 
@JarrodRoberson lol "real time debugging in the comments"
 
What Donald Trump should have done is run for governor of New York and then lowered the drinking age to 18 and just paid for all the roads with his own money
 
@TylerH Trump takes California just wait
 
@Drew LOL
that's by far the least likely state he could take
 
he's got the migrant worker's vote
 
5:32 PM
I see you're being facetious
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis To hopefully put an end to this flood of homework questions, I was able to provide the public usernames of enough of the students that they were able to find the source at the university. My contact there gave me this reply:
> I think I have identified the source, and have requested a "cease and desist"....this should take care of the problem. If you continue to be spammed, please let me know and we'll pursue other ways to stop the contacts.
 
naw just sippin' too much of the Koolaid
 
@BradLarson that's one big class if we notice lots of similar questions. I'd be surprised if in our bachelor's MATLAB course (100 students) 2 know how to find SO
 
See, we don't have that kind of problem in PHP because nobody is crazy enough to teach it at a university
 
@Adriaan Apparently, the professor directly assigned them to ask these questions on Stack Overflow.
> my professor wants for me to find the solution to this problem, using stack overflow... probably as a lesson in humility.
 
5:36 PM
a lesson in humility......
 
Wow. What is he teaching, SO 101?
 
I handled about 20 accounts, and I think the total was 30-40, so that tracks with an intro to programming class size.
 
@BradLarson ouch, that's bad for of the teacher. It's like saying "I don't want to teach you, go read a book"
 
@Adriaan Usually, it's the exact opposite, where professors threaten to automatically fail any student they find posting here. Thus, the tons of "urgent, I need to delete this question" flags we get around finals time.
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@BradLarson Do you have that problem every year with students posting poor questions at the start of their school year?
 
5:39 PM
@BradLarson yea, that's sensible from an ethical point of view; it's considered to be fraud if you let someone else do your work and not give that person their due credit.
 
Reminds me a great deal of this Meta thread from last year. The post is quite interesting
 
(removed)
 
Somewhere last year/beginning of this year there was a very angry teacher posting answers in boldface etc complaining that we shouldn't answer these questions, as they were part of a proprietary private-course and these were exam questions they'd been using for some time.
 
@Rizier123 When someone comes here to ask their first homework question varies. Honestly, poor questions more often come from people who need this site to do their job than from students, and that's a year-round problem. Covering up of evidence that they cheated is seasonal, and students only seem to realize this (or want to act on it) at the ends of terms. It's pretty noticeable in flag trends.
 
2 messages moved to Trash can
 
5:44 PM
I'm using the [wreck train] button to pick up a link when I need one. It's all fine guys ;)
 
@BradLarson some of the more desperate flags are amusing though :p
 
@BradLarson we see a strong student trend in the MATLAB tag though, since only universities are crazy enough to pay for its licence
 
@JonClements How many times have you seen "I want this deleted, because I'm afraid my fellow classmates will use it to cheat"? Like, come on, kid.
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@BradLarson LOL
 
Do you guys ever delete post when they ask?
 
5:47 PM
File that one with "it wasn't a sock puppet, my roommates were playing a prank on me".
 
@JonClements The mods seems to keep all the fun back. Like you could at least share some funny flag messages :p
 
Would make for an epic Meta post. "Best flags raised by users"
 
@NathanOliver My general template is: does it have an upvoted answer, or an answer that isn't total trash? Decline. If it's entirely localized to someone's case, and unlikely to help anyone else (like this: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/334525/19679 ), I might throw them a bone. If there aren't any answers, I'll delete.
 
Cool. Thanks for sharing.
planning to run for mod the next time so I like to ask how you guys handle things.
 
5:50 PM
wait arent accepted answer shown first?
 
@ColdFire Only when sorted by votes
 
top of any answer
regardless of votes
 
And when it is not a self answer
 
@Rizier123 I don't know if these are funny, but check out the gist in this Meta post of mine: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/309732/19679 (gist: gist.github.com/BradLarson/0d9afb66f6d07634ef5d )
 
@NathanOliver mine is one :(
 
5:52 PM
OK. A self answer is sorted only by votes. It is not pinned to the top.
 
i lost quite lot of rep becoz of that
:(
 
You really got a mod flag of mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
 
@ColdFire I'd look on the bright side. Most of us throw bones to poor users all day long without so much as a response. You're one of the few who learned, hung around, and are now a better person for it
 
@NathanOliver I liked asdfasdfasdfasdf as well. Lot of thought went into that one.
 
@NathanOliver declined with the custom reason "nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn"
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5:54 PM
@ColdFire How did you lose?
@BradLarson Awesome
 
@Machavity i do self answer now a days since most of the questions are crap in android tag
@NathanOliver i mean i didnt got
 
> i am flagging this question beacuse i dont find an answer as i aspact
 
Ah. It is a conflict of interest. If it pinned them to the top it is a way to possible get rep that would not have gained had someone else asked the question.
 
JAL
@BradLarson I can't believe you kept a list...
 
please I need it necessary I have exam after 30 MINS Well good luck failing that one.
 
5:57 PM
The amount of grammar mistakes in those flag messages :O
 
@JAL at least he checks it twice
 
JAL
keep your day job gunr
 
@Rizier123 Have you ever seen the average question posted on SO? That's about the same level of English.
 
I'll try not to get fired today. That's my only goal when I walk in the building each morning.
 
@Adriaan I know. But I'm also surprised that "little bobby tables" didn't flagged any post :)
 
5:58 PM
lol
 
We keep kicking around machine learning ideas for handling flags, judging question quality, etc. (Undo's working on one now), so it can be helpful to have training sets.
 
There's one where "Urgent" is repeated for however many will fit in 500 chars
 
lol
 
@NathanOliver We are working on most important project.and we have show demo to client by tomorrow
 
@Rizier123 Saw that one. Good luck getting that client. SO should not be used to run your business.
 
JAL
6:01 PM
Wasn't there a meta post recently about this? One of the mod flags was something like "just wanted to say hi :)"
 
> Please I tried to search any single popular technological websites for the answer as simple as "true, it is possible" or "it is not possible you fool" please the puzzle needs a solution TT
 
we are doomed
 
@BradLarson Got a moment?
 
JAL
> Just wanted to say hi :))))
 
a anime guy a ninja a dog and lost mind are doomed
 
JAL
6:02 PM
> it needs moderator ♦ attention
lol
 
@Rizier123 did you mean the number of mistakes?
 
@LynnCrumbling Have to head off shortly, but what's up?
 
@BradLarson I flagged something on 9/12; it's still pending. Can you look into it?
 
@LynnCrumbling Which year? :P
 
6:05 PM
@LynnCrumbling Back of the line, I've been waiting since 8/29 ;)
 
Ha. I see.
Squeakiest wheel and all that ;)
 
@NathanOliver With @LynnCrumbling I wondered whether it was proper or American date usage, with yours I'm quite sure which :P
 
@LynnCrumbling I had looked at it briefly, but wasn't entirely sure how to act on it, so it's sat there for a bit. As context, the user responsible had been contacted by a moderator about promotion of their products at around the time they left those, they edited in disclosure and apologized, and behaved well before and after. Do you still believe those answers should be deleted? Some of them have received upvotes in the interim, and do seem to at least partially address the questions asked.
 
@Adriaan We like to be non standard. Have you seen our measuring system?
 
6:12 PM
@Adriaan That is awesome.
 
@NathanOliver the right one, right? Smooth sailing all the way ;)
 
Nah. Life needs chaos, not order ;)
 
close to getting a nice question badge \o/
 
@ColdFire oh you and your lots-of-votes tags
 
@Adriaan votes tag?
 
6:16 PM
@ColdFire Woot
 
@ColdFire tag where a lot of people are around to vote on questions, like C#, C++, java, and android. Aka: tags where it's comparatively more likely you'll get the nice-good-great badges, tag badges etc
 
@Adriaan android is pretty shitty in that
avg votes per question and answer have crumbled to an alltime low
 
I'm not trying to belittle your achievement, it's just that I always get a bit sad that in MATLAB we have 27k rep gold badge users who at best got 20 upvotes, simply because there's only 20-30 people actively voting in MATLAB
 
well i am aware of that
currently any android question getting more than 10 upvotes is miracle
you get chance of good upvotes when new android version is launched
or when new Android Studio is launched
 
@ColdFire we only get students asking questions about their first day in class :p
they don't even have the 15 rep to upvote
 
6:20 PM
i see
that is a issue
i dont answer 1 rep user becoz they dont even how to accept an answer
 
nice keyword
 
and many times dont accept the answer
@SmokeDetector nice
 
oh well, I got a whopping 100 rep by answering two basic MATLAB questions today, so I guess that's my take for the week again :P
 
evening
 
aloha
@Adriaan nice
 
6:24 PM
@ColdFire I never look at a user's reputation to decide whether to answer or not.
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^ this
 
@Louis i sometimes do depends on the question :)
 
@Adriaan I'm sorry to inform you the rep cap of 200 points is per day, not per week
 
ops m2... answer upvoted answers from user that edits questions... otherwise it's just work thrown in the wind...
 
@JanDvorak I know :( I hit it a whopping three times (I think), of which one was a 500 rep bounty :P
 
6:26 PM
petter?
@PetterFriberg how do you handle null, i mean i am having a NPE crash but i want to identify why that var is null in the first place, my stack trace doesnt go that far to get an idea where it become null, i dont want to add a null check where i am not expecting variable to be null?
 
Since bounties are not capped do they still count when calculating the number of days you have capped? As in I get 5 200 rep bounties on 5 separate days with no other votes. Did I hit the cap 5 times?
 
yes
 
@NathanOliver Yes, that's how I got my first rep cap badge
 
6:34 PM
@Kyll No imho (cc @NathanOliver). Check my profile I'm 3/50 for the epic badge, I hit 200 rep 4 times, the last one was the 500 rep bounty nvm, the first time I hit that I got the association bonus, that doesn't count
 
@Adriaan yes it does
 
@πάνταῥεῖ the question has a net score of 0 right now. does it have 4 upvotes and 4 downvotes?
 
@dorukayhan Yes
 
@ColdFire I have a bad habit of always check for null even if it should not be and then think what do to... should I continue, should I do nothing, should I throw an error showing that application need to be closed and client should call me
 
6:35 PM
@FirstStep I probably missed that.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I think it was just 4 misguided votes, at least I hope so. Not sure how 4 people up voted it.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ getting an overwhelming detraction by Monkees :)
 
@PetterFriberg but that may hide your logical error
so not a good practice
 
@ColdFire stacktrace or no stack trace, if null it should not be hard to find out why... break point
 
not reproducable at my end
 
6:37 PM
^ Close the company and go home?
 
@FirstStep Looks so. But such makes me suspiciously.
 
damn this samsung and there crappy devices
 
@Adriaan American is proper
 
@ColdFire why so not true, ,in my application I have a error handler that shows message to users... for example "Please contact software house, and report this...."
 
@FirstStep -_-
 
6:37 PM
:)
 
@ColdFire Oh yes. And their support is subterranean :/
 
@PetterFriberg lets say you pass null where you shouldnt be passing and since you have handled null you will never know you did pass wrong , so
 
@ColdFire if its is null and I don't expect it I will launch that window with the report.. "Heck something bad is going this stuff is null"
if (t==null){ExceptionHandler.open(new Exception("Heck...");return;}
 
@PetterFriberg aah i see i dont know if i can do that for apps, imagine user exp plenty of one stars i am gonna get
 
Embrace the Null.
The Null is where the Java makes sense.
 
6:40 PM
lol
 
NPE in a language without pointers, no thanks.
 
@BradLarson I'm concerned that other users might cite those answers as examples, saying "why were they allowed to do it?" If another spam answer gets added, it would be hard to defend why those other answers were still allowed to remain, but that new spam answer was marked as spam.
@BradLarson Last point: while a few of their spammy answers do in fact answer the question, this one and this one do not address sandcastle at all.
 
@Kyll lol better without pointers i guess
 
@ColdFire meeh my clients are happy and if they have problem as window tell that they have a problem and should contact us, with the information we can easily find what was wrong..
more then embrace null, embrace the fact that your application can have exceptions, hence better to handle them and give useful information, then to block or just exit or do strange behavior... nullpointer is just another exception..
 
Me sex life is pretty Null how can I handle that?
 
6:44 PM
throw an Exception... like Kyll
 
hey now. lets stay away from sex talk.
 
Throw new SpearrelException("plop");
 
anyone with a catch block? It's cold in mid-air
 
finally
 
catch is implemented where it cant be seen by spearrels
 
6:47 PM
@Kyll terminate() will handle that at least :)
 
nuuuh
 
catch(spearrel kyll) { set_free(kyll); }
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@FirstStep 1st rule don't do it at the beach :)
 
5 mins ago, by NathanOliver
hey now. lets stay away from sex talk.
 
^ I feel harmless :)
 
6:51 PM
@NathanOliver Error: Missing "try" block
 
In Ruby, you can have catch without try
 
in java you can have try without catch : )
 
@PetterFriberg :)
 
Last report, n..?
 
meh. close Q
 
6:54 PM
@PetterFriberg lol
 
@ColdFire actually not joking this compile try{}finally{};
 
@PetterFriberg yes i am aware of that
 
you can even have a try, without catch and without finally :)
 
that seems useful... never tried that... let me test
 
you can skip catch when you use finally
@Tunaki wow in java 8?
 
6:57 PM
@PetterFriberg you duck and let the caller deal with the mess
@ColdFire nope 7
 
@Tunaki lol
 
doesnt compile tuna @Tunaki
catch or finally expected
@PetterFriberg petter pretty sure that was bluff i dont think that will compile
 
<-- not bluffing, jdk >= 7
 
Yeah we want an example... in jdk 1.4
 
Sounds catchy
 
6:59 PM
sounds fishy
 
That's not 1.4 more like 7
 
that is try with resource :|
 
Yep Petter
 
@ColdFire well it is without catch and finally... :D
 
@PetterFriberg but that needs a parameter in try
 
Ducking an exception is actually a term used in the Oracle tutorials :) I even have an answer on that!
 
@FirstStep Very Least Good?
 
damn Tyler Ninja'd me
@FirstStep I would not flag...
 
@TylerH Viele Liebe Grüsse o/
 
7:03 PM
:33027047I would not flag that. It is an attempt at an answer.
 
^ VLQ attempt.
 
@FirstStep To me it's an answer and I would remove that comment...
 
that ^
 
^ I did because he edited (improved) the answer
 
7:04 PM
<
 
C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER
 
@FirstStep Lamb loves greetings?
 
@TylerH translate.google.com/#de/en/Viele%20Liebe%20Gr%C3%BCsse Means "Many Greetings" => o/ o/ o/ o/ ... n (many)
 
blocked at work
what does viele mean
 
7:06 PM
@TylerH lots
 
lots of greetings with love
 
^ exactly
 
aka many warm greetings
 
@FirstStep look for stuff like this VLQ and NAA
 
got it
 
7:07 PM
Many lovely Greetings / Regards
Yup, many / lots of warm / lovely -> greetings / regards | Generic
 
Can someone invent the matrix so I can put those little chips in my head and learn every programming language like Neo learned Kung Fu?
 
@TylerH You didn't get your chip yet? How do you live?!?
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@TylerH Then you realized the Matrix was made in PHP.
 
@Kyll dear god everything is so clear
@NathanOliver I still use a magstripe
woe is me
 
7:09 PM
lol
 
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
I wonder how often "Is floating point math broken?" is used as a dupe target. I seem to use it once or twice a week.
 
Not as much in Java but it is quite often used also.
 
@NathanOliver in MATLAB not that often, but I think once a week or something as well
 
i hear BigDECIMAL
 
7:21 PM
Ruby offers fractions
 
rene passed a audit!
 
@Yam Nope
 
> Is there any open source software that already does this?
i think we closed that question with the wrong reason
 
is this question offtopic : stackoverflow.com/questions/39647095/…?
 
@dorukayhan Check before the edit
 
7:30 PM
User posting same answer 4 times, should I flag?, auto flag? or who cares?
 
I think they'll be auto-flagged if they're identical.
 
I will go with the Who Cares. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@NisseEngström I edited one of them, then I saw the other 2 + 1.... meeh if I can find @Drew I let him check if questions are dupes...
 
!!/coffee
 
7:44 PM
@dorukayhan brews coffee for @dorukayhan
 
!!/coffee
 
@ColdFire brews coffee for @ColdFire
 
Hello!
 
Hello!
 
Hello!
 
7:46 PM
!!/coffee
 
@JanDvorak brews coffee for @JanDvorak
 
!!/blame
 
@ColdFire It's Oldskool's fault.
 
Hey all. We'll be having another SOCVR room meeting on October 3rd. Please submit any topics you would like discussed here. Please vote on the topics and ask clarification questions so we don't have to during the meeting.
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^^ addTopic("Cookies or wafflzes?");
 
7:54 PM
pancakes. You've been a bad boy
 
That's not a valid topic. Waffles of course.
 

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