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3:02 PM
@Queen k
 
batch345 count=21 cv4 is in the beehive
@JAL ^ I ran out of votes hours ago
 
JAL
Ready, willing, and able
 
@Braiam I would make a lot of the has, have
 
@NathanOliver you saw nuthin
 
3:12 PM
:) Reads much better to me the first time
 
JAL
@Drew All closed, there were some issues with the links in the spreadsheet but I got them all
 
@braiam Good to see that your post got some nice attention :)
 
@BhargavRao give me unlimited time, and I will provide you reasons to agree with me :P
 
Haha, That's true for any human being.
 
sigh
> Sorry I will fix the semi colons and syntax, I typed it in by hand (dont know how to copy and paste code)
 
3:24 PM
@NathanOliver can't blame them to be a copy-paste coder ...
 
True
 
They can never be a Full Stack Overflow Developer in their life
 
I develop full stack overflows
 
@rene actually, he's of the good guys... he doesn't copy-paste code
 
lol
@Yvette nice
hiya all
 
3:31 PM
Hiya c:
 
c:?
 
c:\
 
c:
 
c:
 
c#
 
3:35 PM
/c:/
 
@Tushar c:<
 
\c:\
 
That's it! I'm calling the pest company.
 
cd: c:\: No such file or directory
 
That's a smiley! >.<
 
3:35 PM
Okay - someone explain to me what happened there with chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/32589659#32589659
 
The ninja puppy is here, everybody run! >.<
 
deleted?
 
@NinjaPuppy 404 o.o
 
o_0
 
what is a "poor duplicate" exactly that warrants deletion?
 
3:37 PM
Ò_Ó ...
 
o_0
 
Me knows nothing :) Can me have a screenshot? :)
 
happy that i cant delete vote yet
.......
 
> Duplicates that are word-for-word copies or that are so poorly written that they are not useful may be deleted by users with sufficient privilege.
 
if someone would explain, I'd be quite happy...
 
3:38 PM
bye
 
@AndyK Taking the fast escape route? Take me with you!
o/
 
@NinjaPuppy Something that doesn't come up in search, or is redundant.
@NinjaPuppy Happy now?
 
lol
 
Now it's all quiet again o.o
 
@NinjaPuppy No search efforts. stackoverflow.com/search?q=java.lang.IndexOutOfBoundsException Although, the wrong dupe-hammer
 
3:43 PM
@NinjaPuppy I don't know what went into this precise decision but there are groups of duplicates for which having one additional duplicate provides no added value to the site. We should preserve duplicates insofar as they are useful. There's a point beyond which they are no longer useful. The Java NPE is my go-to example for "additional dupes are not useful."
 
@NinjaPuppy (Perhaps @Sotirios can explain better) When a dupe post is completely redundant, almost word to word answer and has been answered.
 
@NinjaPuppy It's a question that is asked rather frequently and demonstrates a lack of knowledge on the basics of Java's for loop. The duplicate explains it perfectly and there are enough around that it was judged not good enough to keep.
 
Hmm, does this use of "not useful" make delete votes the same as down votes?
 
Jesus christ, guys, stop piling.
 
@AlexanderO'Mara most likely
 
3:44 PM
@Seth lol
 
if a question is closed as dupe, has no answers and is score -1 or less it would be deleted by roomba anyways
 
@Braiam It had 2 answers with score 2 and 1
 
@Tushar then that would be grounds for vote to delete
 
k give me the solution — Pallam Raju 2 mins ago
*sigh*
 
answers are not novel, the question isn't stellar either, is a duplicated and doesn't serve as useful signpost
 
3:45 PM
@NinjaPuppy What everyone just said. They are bad signposts. Either too localized or expressed in a way that is unlikely to help anyone, etc.
 
They can still act as sign posts - unless they're really, really bad
 
can you take a screenshot?
 
The ones I ask to be deleted are.
 
Can we has screenshot plz?
 
3:47 PM
@NinjaPuppy Having too many sign posts is actually harmful to people who are looking for a solution without having to slog through redundant information.
 
un-regs get free redirects anyways
 
It's also bad for people trying to find good duplicates
 
and regs get them cheap
 
to use as close targets
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis True.
 
3:49 PM
I agree... just sometimes there's a bit of overzealousness of people being able to use their delete ability
 
I can't see no real use in that (to localized, to many dupes), but I don't have 10K so I need to be quit
 
@NinjaPuppy why don't you bring it to meta?
 
@Braiam any reason I'd want to do that - looks like the community did it for a genuine reason rather than something I'd have to look at :p
 
@NinjaPuppy well, that's the thing, from my very biased point of view, OP should have found the question if he googled the error message
which is a good reason to delete
 
@NinjaPuppy I close 30-40 dupes a day. Almost every question that gets a lot of eyeballs in is a duplicate, and most often than not, a bad one. If the site wants us to stop deleting them, I'm fine with that.
Like this.
 
3:55 PM
the only valid reason to not immediately delete something is because there would be a net loss of content for the internet
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis that will hit roomba soon...
 
@PetterFriberg I'm not delete-pls, I'm pointing to the imo garbage of . I think it'll go before roomba anyway.
 
if something needs to be deleted, then fine, let's get it deleted....
 
@PetterFriberg all hail the roomba! Free the roomba!
 
there's just a lot of deletion going around at the moment, and some of them I'm just thinking "not quite sure what's going on here" - that's all.
 
3:56 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis Yeah no one will discuss that I ran away from it...
 
@NinjaPuppy k
 
@NinjaPuppy cough Godaddy cough
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Smoke Detector feedback does not work on Ninja Puppy :P
 
@Rizier123 !!/report
 
@Rizier123 On Sotirios it should work though o.o Sotirios Delimanolis :o
 
3:58 PM
looking for something interesting? this question has exact requirement of this post; Do you think the OP is a student and was asked with a problem to solve?
 
@techspider wow
talk about unresearched
 
@PetterFriberg lol
 
@NinjaPuppy Would you keep this around? I'm planning to propose that for deletion tomorrow. (looking for some moderator opinion)
 
kill it, better not to ask, let'em haunt you later
 
that's a perfect NPE dupe....
 
4:08 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis not my field of expertise... if the community wants it deleted, then so be it...
 
@Tunaki Except for the fact that that guy tried to edit it (and did).
And changed the question.
:|
 
and invalidated all answers in the process.
 
It also has a lot of noise in there.
 
@Tunaki Yeah we need some more we only have 71,301 results
 
@NinjaPuppy I wouldn't know about other tags, but in java, there really is a lot of duplicates posted (like that one above), and they are poor in the sense that they show no research effort at all and often, they are answered, defeating the roomba (again, like the one above). I don't like deleting duplicates but when it's the 3rd of the day, each day... Well I don't even want to open java anymore and rely on Queen's messages here...
 
4:12 PM
wow
71k
 
What's worse, there are only 2-5 of us from that moderate heavily. Everyone happily answers these poor questions/duplicates making it, imo, worse and worse.
 
repzzz..., the simpler the question is, the more repzzz you get
 
to get rep i guess
here i am not getting even 10k rep :(
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis It's not only in the java tag like this :/
 
No, it's to "help users in need".
@Rizier123 Then speak up, everyone, revolution!
 
4:14 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis "pls, halp the needed"
 
Tank in advance
 
lol
 
@PetterFriberg Tank in advantage (FTFY)
 
Your help is greatly appreciated! (YHIGA)
 
@PetterFriberg Facepalm
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis There are only 2 guys from java who are at the top of the hammerers list. Guess who both? :P
 
When I try to comment on users' posts to ask them to stop answering these clear duplicates, I start sounding like an asshole, broken record.
 
@PetterFriberg it wasn't a happy day... but you didn't have to make it worse :(
 
Anyway, Time for me to leave. Bye guys.
 
4:16 PM
If we would give out free silly hats to everyone who moderates everyone would do it :P
 
@PetterFriberg lol
 
@BhargavRao gn
 
@Seth well the query is not good but anyway it's funny
 
Same here, g2g o/
@PetterFriberg Aye :D
 
@BhargavRao haha tuna and soti
 
4:17 PM
Look at this. Same question as duplicate, answered both times by same user. It probably took @Tunaki 15 seconds to find that duplicate.
That user gets whatever amount of reputation. Tunaki gets blasted by OP for not knowing how to read.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Well I think you need to seek help from them (so tone in comment matters) maybe use meta link meta.stackoverflow.com/a/267504/5292302, but in many case it better to just avoid conflict.
 
Forget it, there's no convincing some of them. I've invited a few here, haven't seen them around since then.
 
haha
 
I started linking to How do I write a good answer? and pointing to second to last part. Passive aggressive much?
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis I would say not enough :P
 
4:23 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis Well tone matters, but that seems constructive, surely in some cases it better just to avoid the conflict..
People do it for repz and normally the easier the question is the more votes you get.. so at a certain point they know but they don't care... it that case better to just leave it and clean up the mess.
 
@PetterFriberg My comments on duplicates always explain my reasoning. It's just arguments for closing, no conflict. If they want to take it there, I point them to meta or chat.
Clean up the mess? No, that's how you start burning out lol <<<< I'm going to do the opposite and join them in creating the mess
 
: ), well you get some nice badges for it
 
I will say I was on another site and the lack of moderation drove me insane. Enough to the point that I left there and came here. I was astounded by all the stuff regular users can do here. As "bad" as it is right now it is still far above other places I have seen.
We just need to find a constructive way to make it better and that will take time
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Lets make FGITW, you me and @Tuna on next : )?
 
@PetterFriberg At the next sign of NPE...should be one shortly
 
4:28 PM
ready...
 
@NathanOliver "In order to build, sometimes you must first destroy" seems that some people don't know that...
 
That is true
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis lol, last java question... : )
 
@NathanOliver right? I also prefer the Q&A format. I don't have to read a bunch of forum posts saying "Me too" to get to an actual answer.
 
I think the best we can do is try to stop dupe answers from getting rep and instead reward people for finding dupes. If we did that then I believe a lot of the friction would be taken care of.
 
4:31 PM
I support that 100%
 
That way you get your rep and we get our Waffles :)
 
yay Waffles. I'm hungry now.
 
@NathanOliver ooh I would really support that idea, because finding dupe means that you answer the question
 
Same here. 30 minutes til lunch
 
5 repz for finder.... 1 rep to hammer...
 
4:33 PM
@NathanOliver the first part you can do it... delete the questions ;)
 
@PetterFriberg Yep. We just need to find a way that "works". A lot of the proposals have been shot down for one reason or another.
 
queen would become very popular... not just crazy guys like @Tuna would use her...
 
@NathanOliver what's for lunch?
 
@Braiam Yes but that is more work. We need the system to help. If the Q is closed as a dupe then it should not have been answered and the rep should not be gained.
@ryanyuyu BLT
You?
 
I'm gonna make waffles, ttyl
 
4:35 PM
:) later
 
hey I want some too :(
 
I think just repz for finding dupes and very little rep to hammers would do the trick...
 
haha
@PetterFriberg nice idea i support it too
 
You get 2 points for an edit, why not 5 points for finding the best answer?
 
@NathanOliver we're going out to eat Vietnamese. It's time for pho.
 
4:37 PM
@PetterFriberg Sure. We could do that first and work on the rest later if needed. We just need more motivation for the people that can close to close other than it makes the site better, isn't that worth the not rep?
 
because that would be rewarding moderation, something the dev team doesn't want to do
 
then however we some people to close'em all I don't know if Tuna can do it all, so some small repz as thanks to hammers...
 
@ryanyuyu I'm not sure if I have had any Vietnamese food.
@JanDvorak which is silly
 
edit is moderation... finding answer to question how is that moderation?
 
i want to answer that
but it is dup :(
 
4:39 PM
If you put it like I do, then yes, but not if you put it like they do
 
I would even give repz to people accepting dupes (as accepting answer)
 
@Queen noooooooooooo
the java tag was removed
 
The dupe is the answer is it not!
 
@PetterFriberg not if they can accept dupes from flags
 
@Tunaki i removed it
 
4:41 PM
instant sock farm
 
@NathanOliver It's similar to other SE Asian food. Less sweet than typical Ameri-Thai food. Lots of strong mint and lime. It can be spicy.
 
@ColdFire Ah yes. Well the duplicate is valid, package is wrong.
 
@Yvette yeah Yvette is a french name so, yeah. Sorry I had to go to a meeting lol
 
Pup posts two questions - > Sock flags one as a dupe of the other and deletes the comment -> pup accepts the duplicate, then disappears in the depths
 
@JanDvorak Yeah I mean give'em the repz as accepting any other answer
 
4:43 PM
@JanDvorak Well rep gain is public so we can find that
 
@JanDvorak same stuff for answer and upvoting
 
good point
 
but at least it's closed : )
 
They could even make the rep gain link to the closed Q.
 
For now I would only push this for duplicates, since finding duplicate actually means your are giving an answer
 
4:46 PM
Yep. You know what the answer is but you also know the answer is already out there so you find it and give it to them. That should be rewarded. That makes the temptation of answering when you know less.
 
@NathanOliver "and a good start to chipping away the overly conservative restrictions." ;)
You know what I'm thinking about?
 
Yes..no..maybe..
 
thinking?
 
meeh the process is always the same, at least for me, I search google before answering every question; the difference is that I know what to search on... if it already exists on SO (give me some repz that I know where), if not give me some repz that I write what is going on pointing to documentation, example etc
 
^ that workflow is thorough
 
4:49 PM
@NathanOliver expect some more... soon™
 
You know I have not linked to a doc in an answer yet. I'm not sure I even know what is in the C++ docs besides what I have seen reviewing.
 
@NathanOliver I have but to my few own examples that I made... I probably need to do more docs... sometimes I can be useful, to not link to external sources
 
My problem(?) is a I think this is better than anything I can link to in Docs.
 
man this question
give me thz code
 
5:10 PM
Yeah : )
where did I put that hammer : ), commuting home cya all
 
I didn't know Petter was in the construction business ...
 
lol
 
user177800
5:29 PM
@cricket_007 I added the can someone go hammer this one, it is just begging for send me teh codez right now
 
user177800
@cricket_007 also they are just posting this same question as duplicates of itself !
 
5:46 PM
@JarrodRoberson I know... This one was deleted, even. stackoverflow.com/questions/39230946/…
 
@Queen k
 
stackoverflow.com/a/39255777/3933332 wow full copied answer gets an upvote... and the original one probably not.
 
@Rizier123 gotta give credit for the poor formatting they introduced while copy-pasting
 
@Rizier123 Did you flag?
 
@Tunaki :p I already flagged it for plagiarism.
 
5:51 PM
side-note, I wish that interpolation existed in Java...
it's such a pain and generally unreadable to concate strings with +... it breaks the flow of the string.
 
Printf?
 
String.format?
 
Hiya everyone
 
5:53 PM
stackoverflow.com/a/39255812/3933332 There is a change that this coincidence just have happened and he exactly worded an answer exactly the same as someone 3 years ago: stackoverflow.com/a/15562892/3933332
 
@Rizier123 I think that is why he marked it up as a quote. Forgot the attribution :(
 
@Tunaki Possible duplicate of String variable interpolation Java
 
I would flag it
 
@cricket_007 except Formatting is like good old awk or bash scripts... a bunch of $^&!- characters altogether
 
@NathanOliver seems to be a very convenient excuse...
 
5:56 PM
And that is why I would flag it.
 
I made an experiment over today, to train myself being less snarky as otherwise usual. Back to toxic mode now (well may be snarkiness left out).
 
meh
 
meh™
 
Not sure what the alternative would be
 
@Rizier123 Aww how cute
 
5:57 PM
@cricket_007 I like SLF4J's way. You have log.info("blob blob {parameter1}, {parameter2}", parameter1, parameter2);
 
it just replaces with a simple toString call, no complications involved
and in the order of the parameters...
@Rizier123 did you already flag? for all those plagiarized answer?
 
I see... I've been using Scala recently. Pretty much operates like that, except without the end parameters
 
@Rizier123 Yep. Did you flag that one. If not I will. IMHO that user needs a suspension. pawning off other peoples work
 
The auto-dupecheck should work across users
 
5:59 PM
@NathanOliver Not yet. The original also copied the text from another site, but left a link to the original source.
 
I mean, this is a relatively simple format string for printf "%1$-15s%2$03d%n". I'll bet no-one can read that without 15 minutes of their time...
 
Oh that is fun . Plagiarism of Plagiarism.
 
haha
 
oh I'm sure there are ways with libraries. Would be nice built-in though.
 
6:03 PM
@Tunaki Accepted answer looks like without libs
 
Should rounding errors be considered typo/unlikely to help future visitors?
 
Maybe. Does it fit to close it with this?
 
Very much so
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis I think that depends on the situation. The one you linked to fits the "unlikely to help future readers." part of close as typo.
 
@cricket_007 Ah indeed, that's nice. Still not built-in but getting closer :p (Not sure I like all those convFormat.replace performance wise but maybe that can be adjusted)
 
6:17 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ Not enough irony in your reason. You probably mean "simple tpyo" :P
 
@Queen k
 
@Rizier123 Or even better smiple tpyo ;)
 
@Queen k
 
As for my experiment I mentioned above, I was absolutely shocked how much crap got through (was monkey upvoted, panic accepted wrong or incomplete answers) when I refrained from down-/close voting, but trying just to give helpful comments.
 
6:33 PM
@Queen please guys search for dupes................................ I cannot believe there are none........
 
crickets chirping
 
@NathanOliver :)
 
shoots crickets ... with a Hollywood silencer
 
Worse part is that it is a dupe of "pass by value or by reference"...... but I can't close as that because the cat is skinned differently
 
6:38 PM
@NathanOliver I actually got some left in my flat from my (sadly now gone) gecko's food :/
 
Sorry for your loss
 
@FrankerZ You know that you can ping him: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/333569/3933332 ?
 
@NathanOliver Yeah, the terrarium was f___ed up, and the climate control was bad. I have to recover the stuff completely.
 
Bummer. I found a gecko once, it must have been a pet that got out as we have winter and I don't not think they can live through that.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis if you can find a dupe of that one, I'll throw you my hat... stackoverflow.com/questions/39256561/…
 
6:42 PM
@NathanOliver You have to have the right teperature, light and humidity (I'm afraid the latter was the real eason the've died)
 
To dry?
 
@NathanOliver Yeah. The automatic raining machine didn't work right anymore. I tried to compensate with a manual water dispenser, but I'm afraid it wasn't regularly and effectively enough :/
 
:(
@TylerH To bad it destroyed itself
 
@NathanOliver Well, it was my 1st time to run a trainforest terrarium. I'll start over and keep in mind what I've learned now. Just sad two geckos didn't survive my lack of knowledge :P
 
6:47 PM
@Tunaki Careful with those hats.
 
Ok I'm really thinking to ask on Meta about the roomba now. It didn't ran for a whole week now (see)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ what on earth is a train forest? :-P
 
Yeah it stinks killing them as you are learning. I have killed a few fish that way.
 
@Louis haha :D I love that scene
 
@TylerH Ooops tpyo, rainforest of course
 
6:48 PM
I made a terrarium once
 
@NathanOliver SAME SAME :)
 
@Tunaki TO THE META JEEVS
 
it lasted a couple weeks and seemed to survive OK but I didn't have animals
it did condense moisture on the "roof" (i had a big jar resting sideways) and 'rain' though
 
@TylerH I've got a green jungle without any animals in it now (besides the crickets left)
 
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
6:54 PM
@NathanOliver The difficult thing is, fish or reptiles don't start to bark or meow forcing on you when they'll miss something. You've gotta learn it the hard way :(
 
Fish need to learn to stand up for themselves. They should mimick the Tunaki.
 
@NathanOliver My aquarium will be started over now as well.
 
@Rizier123 Ping who?
 
@NathanOliver That would actually need some generations of evolution actually
 
psh. They need to get off tail fins
 
6:58 PM
@tunaki The truth is out there.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis I know :(
 
He also introduced a typo /facepalm
 
haha I didn't notice
 
I reflagged
 

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