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12:39 AM
@ColdFire I am new to SOCVR ;)
 
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12:50 AM
@Enzokie Check out the tour
 
@TinyGiant thanks
 
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np
 
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@siguza!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ELEVEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
@Tiny !!!
long time no see :D
 
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nostalgic hugs
 
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12:54 AM
Yeah, been a while
 
I've been here a few times in the last few months, but it seems we always missed each other :P
 
There is some sort of curse the set both of you apart.
 
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I have only recently started to be more active
 
Haha, well
 
Now it dissolves
 
12:57 AM
@Enzokie used to be different though :P
also @Tiny I take it you no longer visit the Ministry anymore?
 
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I'm working my way back into the swing of things slowly
 
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Will probably start popping in there again
 
ah, ok. good to hear :)
@TinyGiant *plopping
 
Could anyone explains to me what is a Plop expression?
 
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I just got so frustrated at everything, and exhausted from fighting so hard
 
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12:58 AM
Couldn't do it anymore
 
@Enzokie define("Plop", "Hello");
 
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@Enzokie Plop === @Kyll
 
I see , thankyah
 
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@Siguza Ya know the cv-pls script turned 1 year old like 12 days ago?
 
@TinyGiant Happy birthday?! :P
 
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1:00 AM
I know right? I just realized last night
 
@TinyGiant I had no idea :P
 
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It's hard to imagine that that was a year ago
 
@TinyGiant now it makes me confused :)
 
I feel like this exists already way longer.
 
well... for me it feels like forever ago
 
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1:01 AM
Yeah, I guess
 
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So much happened around that time
 
I had so much time...
 
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We all seemed to have so much time
 
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@Rizier123 lol
 
1:03 AM
@TinyGiant You see you didn't missed anything important.
 
Starry Night 2016 edition inbound? :P
 
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lol
 
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Anyways, heading home, will be back on in a bit. @Siguza, hope to talk again soon.
 
nah, we probably shouldn't dwell about old times in this room too much :P
 
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I find myself doing that a lot recently
 
1:05 AM
@TinyGiant I'll be back here the next couple of days at least... I also might be sleeping most of the time the next few days though :P
jeez... I get 10k rep and deletion privileges, and I already wish I had 30 del votes a day...
Alright, I'm off to bed
cya guys
 
2:10 AM
Morning
@AndrewL. do not do cv-pls for offensive posts. Instead report them to smokey using !!/report <link>
 
2:26 AM
Thanks for telling me! I'm quite inept when it comes to reporting
 
3:01 AM
woah! So Jon actually changed his username to "Ninja Puppy"..... :p
 
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3:17 AM
@AshishAhujaツ You have to have smokey privileges to report
 
Is it bad that I rarely answer questions now, but leave comments that fix the problem?
 
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Meh, I rarely fix problems now, I mostly just moderate stuff
 
I've noted at least 5 trivial or simple questions today where the answers could be written in a comment, though some people answered and got ~50 IIP
I'd like to just sit back and relax and go into the queues, but I have to at least reach 2k before doing so
 
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Just because an answer can be written in the comments does not mean it should be
 
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Instead, you could flag as a duplicate if possible, or just answer the question
 
3:20 AM
@TinyGiant you just happened to move from "fix the problem for a handful" to "fix the problem in a fundamental level"
 
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@Braiam lol
 
Well, there was a question on operator precedence and order of operations. The OP forgot to put parentheses around an expression when calculating. I pointed it out in the comments, OP thanked me but an answerer decided to answer
 
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typo
 
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flag as such
 
@AshishAhujaツ He is now know as The Ninja Puppy Formerly Known as Jon
 
3:22 AM
Really? Ok.
@TinyGiant Are you sure it's a typo? Reference: stackoverflow.com/questions/39176149/…
 
this is interesting if you live in USA or any of the OECD countries voxeu.org/article/…
 
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Bah, that's so borderline its not even funny
 
Yeah. I felt like it was trivial and a dupe, let me find a Python operator precedence question
 
user4639281
That is really just basic math
 
Exactly
 
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@TinyGiant would you flag it?
Or, how would you flag it?
 
user4639281
find a good dupe
 
Yeah, ^ that was another one. Someone looked for easy rep
 
user4639281
there should be a canonical BEDMAS / PEMDAS question out there somewhere
 
user4639281
That is definitely a typo
 
3:28 AM
Flagged that one as such, but need a good dupe on the other one
I think that question was too 'easy' or fundamental that there is no question on the site that asks the same (or similar) thing
 
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But remember: there is no rule against answering any question, as long as it is an answer, we may not like other users answering off-topic questions for whatever reason, but there is technically nothing you can do about the answers if they are in fact answers. All you can do is deal with the question.
 
Ok, understood.
 
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in Python, 13 secs ago, by Tiny Giant
Do you guys know of a canonical BEDMAS (mathematical order of operations) question?
 
3:51 AM
TylerH has started reviewing!
 
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Oh no, we're all doomed
 
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4:23 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ were you around for this?
 
@TinyGiant No I wasn't right 1st. I see I've been upvoting Shog's answer.
 
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I upvoted shog's answer as well
 
@TinyGiant so doesn't Andrew have privs?
 
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@AshishAhujaツ Not sure, just letting you know in case you're going to offer that guidance to future users, it would be pertinent to inquire about their privs
 
@TinyGiant sure, will ask them about privs before asking them to report. Anyways, if one does not have privs, they can just ask someone else to report
 
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4:35 AM
For sure
 
I have a feeling that winding is a feature of the SE engine itself or of a bot to test (rude) keyword detection frequently.
 
shocked to see someone upvote this: stackoverflow.com/q/39177476/5647260
Considering the question before it was edited
And my edit was counted but not showing up on the side, neither is 'Andrew Lygin''s edit
 
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@AndrewL. that comment is a wee bit non-constructive
 
user4639281
That other comment is blatantly incorrect, only debugging questions require an MCVE
 
user4639281
This question is just plain old too broad
 
4:42 AM
How so? I'm basically asking for them to show effort. They finally did so
 
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Now it is a debugging question
 
^ exactly
 
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My point is the whole confrontational part of your comment is a bit much
 
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You could have said something like:
 
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4:47 AM
> This question is currently too broad for Stack Overflow. Please consider narrowing the scope of your question to a more specific problem. You could also try to achieve this yourself, then when you have a problem with your attempted solution that you cannot solve, you could ask a debugging question with a valid [mcve], expected input, expected output, actual output, and a clear problem statement.
 
Ugh mobile chat is the worst
i could have said that, but I don't consider it too harsh, I'm just telling them to show us some effort so we can help assist them
Although I'll try to be less confrontational
 
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Informational and educational, not confrontational
 
@AndrewL. If you want to ask us for closing, we have an established protocol. Put [tag:cv-pls] and a reason why you think the question should be closed.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ he knows it, but doing it on phone isn't that easy
 
5:01 AM
Sorry, I'm on mobile. I usually tag as cv-pls
 
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It is also valid to ask what the proper reason to close vote a question would be, or whether or not anyone understands what a question is actually asking.
 
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In this case, I have no clue
 
I meant how to flag. I was pretty sure unclear, just needed confirmation
That was a sudden influx of spam
 
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5:30 AM
waffles
 
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not vlq
 
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no severe formatting or content issues.
 
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Nope
 
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5:31 AM
It is not unquestionable garbage
 
Content issue, link only
 
I'm talking about the answer.
 
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Arguably NaA, but technically "You can use jsoup to do that" is an answer
 
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omit the link, it is still an attempt to answer a question
 
5:32 AM
NAA isn't for answering attempts IIRC
 
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NaA is for answers that aren't answers
 
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VLQ is for gibberish and nonsense
 
Just delete the question, and the "answer" goes too.
 
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^ that
 
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If the question was otherwise on-topic, the answer would be worthy of downvotes and delete votes, but not flags
 
5:37 AM
@TinyGiant I see
 
@Yvette Servers have posteriors?
 
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@πάνταῥεῖ Express yourself
 
user3956566
@AlexanderO'Mara lol took me a while
 
@TinyGiant GEMA spoiler :(
 
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5:41 AM
 
@TinyGiant Xactly that
Some videos are blocked in youtube (in Germany), because GEMA denies to use these so far without youtube paying fees
 
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Ahhhhhhh
 
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so you can't see that one?
 
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Awwe
 
5:44 AM
@TinyGiant There are ways to get around this, I'm just too lazy
 
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@πάνταῥεῖ What about this?
 
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@AlexanderO'Mara too broad fits better
 
@TinyGiant Doesn't work. Redirects, but I can't play the video :(
 
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darn
 
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I'm surprised that proxy.io isn't a thing
 
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5:48 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ how about this?
 
hey all
 
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lla yeh
 
@TinyGiant works
 
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Nice!
 
@TinyGiant Saved to my FAVs Thank you
 
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5:50 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ :)
 
hey @Yvette
 
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@πάνταῥεῖ one more
 
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@ColdFire hi
 
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c/mon guys 149 posts left in the tag.
 
@Yvette did you got time to check my lib
 
5:52 AM
@TinyGiant BH surfers cool. Chewing chocklit :D
 
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@ColdFire not yet
 
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@πάνταῥεῖ lol
 
user3956566
busy with things, will do
 
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@Yvette Shall I do somethin' bout that?
 
@Yvette sure i just added readme wanted some feedback on it
@πάνταῥεῖ hey online all time nice :)
 
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5:53 AM
@TinyGiant sure, we need to just hammer the tag
 
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if we get enough people here it can be gone in a day
 
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and there's still some posts that can have the tag edited out
 
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almost done ;)
 
@Yvette i finished of all the batches i had
 
@ColdFire you noticed I'm a bot, did you?
 
5:54 AM
now i need more
 
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@πάνταῥεῖ I lied one more
 
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@ColdFire there will be more now. Just bumped a heap into the close vote queue
 
@πάνταῥεῖ yeah i did
@Yvette ok nice
 
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Mar 7 at 0:51, by Tiny Giant
> bot (n.)
in Internet sense, c. 2000, short for robot. Its modern use has curious affinities with earlier uses, such as "parasitical worm or maggot" (1520s), of unknown origin; and Australian-New Zealand slang "worthless, troublesome person" (World War I-era). The method of minting new slang by clipping the heads off words does not seem to be old or widespread in English. Examples (za from pizza, zels from pretzels, rents from parents) are American English student or teen slang and seem to date back no further than late 1960s.
 
go daddy room link anyone i cant find it
 
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5:56 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ I would not consider you to be a "parasitical worm or maggot" or a "worthless, troublesome person"
 
@TinyGiant lol
 
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also here's another batch of godaddy questions with close votes reports.socvr.org/120759/49
 
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The grand governor of the federal reserve
Public enemy of the society
 
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@πάνταῥεῖ one of my favorites
 
6:00 AM
Same for me
 
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ok @TinyGiant there's that batch of 50 posts ^^ I expect it to be closed by the time I return ;)
 
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ok I'm out of close and delete votes \o
 
@Yvette When we're through with godaddy, can we start burninating please?
3
:)
 
lol
why php
 
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@Yvette I may or may not be inclined or disinclined to acquiesce or disagree with your request at some point between now and then... or not
 
6:03 AM
@ColdFire It generates notoriously bad questions at a high rate
 
Let's kill first. I don't think I've ever seen a decent question with that tag.
 
A number of them even swashing into c++ (the PHP)
 
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@πάνταῥεῖ There is no guidance in your kingdom
 
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@AlexanderO'Mara I don't think I have ever seen anything good come from dreamweaver
 
@TinyGiant true that
 
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6:11 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ problem solved without any flags on the answer
 
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@πάνταῥεῖ debugging questions are on-topic if they contain an MCVE, clear problem statement, an interrogative statement, and are otherwise narrowly scoped
 
@TinyGiant Look at my 2nd comment. Showing debugging efforts and observations is also required along the MCVE.
 
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I was referring to the reason in your cv pls
 
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it reads as you are asking us to close it because it is a debugging question
 
That stuff most of the time turns out to be trivially solved anyways
 
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6:34 AM
for sure
 
6:48 AM
Can we get a close reason that means "it's a duplicate, but I CBA to do the research you should have done"?
 
Slightly less polite than CBB with the same meaning.
 
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Cant Be Arsed
 
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@JanDvorak Check this out
 
hey! LMGTFY is rude
 
user4639281
6:51 AM
lulz
 
How do I extract the search query from LMGTFY without having to watch the annoying animation?
 
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site:meta.stackoverflow.com/questions -site:meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged close vote for no research effort
 
@JanDvorak I explicitly allowed tiny to get rude on me :)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I didn't
 
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@JanDvorak I couldn't help myself, the irony in lmgtfying requests for an lmgfty close reason
 
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answered by shog, imagine that
 
yeah, "close as duplicate". CBA
 
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I really like that answer by shog
 
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@JanDvorak Downvote and move on
 
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6:58 AM
@JanDvorak not really
 
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though I see it has a too broad vote already
 
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7:17 AM
off to bed now, don't have too much fun
 
7:39 AM
we won't, don't worry
 
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7:49 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ definitely and we'll need to provide professional care for those who regularly use that tag ;)
 
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@TinyGiant Love it!
 
@Yvette As e.g. @YourCommmonSense needs obviously?
 
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@πάνταῥεῖ I diplomatically, and respectfully decline to acknowledge, or agree, or disagree with that comment ;) (I'm taking lessons from @TinyGiant)
 
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anyway my friend what advice did you require? You never did tell me
 
@Yvette :)
Rene's here. No one-boxes!
 
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7:57 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ ah flower power
 
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the deadly nightshade
 
@Yvette I'm not sure if it's nightshade or jasmine actually
 
user3956566
I really gotta open Android Studio and write some code
 
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@πάνταῥεῖ hey just noticed the link ;)
 
8:14 AM
@Yvette As mentioned, no one-boxes :)
 
 
1 hour later…
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9:19 AM
that spam is sitting there
 
Hi Everyone,
-11
Q: Do we need rude answers in SO

KiraRecently I asked a question about removing comments that makes other users misunderstand the question. There are 2 answers to that question. I do appreciate them for answering. But what if the answer is not appropriate to the question. I read the first answer, it only made me visualize myself a...

 
@TinyGiant According to the query thingy I've gotten 50 rep from answering things I shouldn't have :/
 
is this question unclear? can we leave it open. I don't mind down votes
 
down votes on meta mean nothing anyway
 
@Kira As mentioned in my 1st comment
 
9:21 AM
I mean its not reasonable to hold it as unclear
 
user3956566
@Kira you're asking too many questions in one
 
@Kira Also note we don't moderate MSO questions here, just the main site.
 
put on hold as unclear what you're asking by Jan Dvorak, Bart, Michael Gaskill, rene, Bjørn-Roger Kringsjå 44 mins ago
rene and jan dvorak are here
I feel this is not fair to a low rep user like me
 
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@Kira I have answered your questions
 
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What should I do about the rude answer ? use a rude flag Do reviewer favor top users and ignore their partially rude answer? not usually Why reviewer shows partiality between low rep users and high rep users? The only difference is that high rep users have more experience in how to use the site, hence the perceived difference Do more number of upvotes make the rude answer correct? No Is it wrong or sin to want quality answer? No — Yvette 15 secs ago
 
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As a sidenote, if flags keep getting rejected it might be better to stop flagging
 
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sorry for the onebox, too late to edit it
 
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@ivarni and there's that too
 
user3956566
@Kira if you are going to come in here seeking advice and you get feedback, it would be nice for you to reply ;)
 
Was that "evil"?
Yes, please reconsider your behavior. Now that I fixed that mess halfways, the appropriate closing reason seems to be cannot be reproduced ..., it's trivial. OP didn't show efforts such stuff is off-topic. You can't delete your answer, OP can't delete their question though it's all pretty useless for future research. It will take the long way to fade out. That's all what was achieved right now. — πάντα ῥεῖ 24 secs ago
 
9:32 AM
I'd say the answer to that question is "Yes"
Not the evil thing, the OPs question
 
@πάνταῥεῖ yeah, don't focus on behavior of the OP, focus on the content. Don't try to get support here for calling out behavior
 
Oki, got it.
 
9:49 AM
@Queen k
@DalijaPrasnikar At your service madam!
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I'll need additional services to delete this thing ;-)
 
@DalijaPrasnikar Sure :) done
 
@πάνταῥεῖ fire away
 
10:14 AM
@DalijaPrasnikar How hot is it in croatia today? Same as here (feels like 35°)?
 
hey
 
yeh
@DalijaPrasnikar In case here's something to chill:
 
@πάνταῥεῖ only 27 degrees. Not hot at all... I call it hot when it goes over 37 :)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Nope, in the middle... (Zagreb) so when it is hot it is hot
 
10:29 AM
I see ...
 
@πάνταῥεῖ My sound system is not working at the moment...
 
What a pity, you'll probably like it :)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I'll save it for later...
 
why is burnaki offline
and tuna too
 
@ColdFire There are things like screwed bots :)
 
10:33 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ haha i wanted to check progress of go daddy
burn them all
 
11:14 AM
@SmokeDetector sd k
 
Two months ago we had quite the extended discussion on this question with four self-answers, and closed it as "Too Broad". However, yesterday it has been re-opened, but the question (last line) seems to ask literally for a function
 
It looks fine to me now
 
yeah fine to me too
 
11:29 AM
Why's this alive after 13 mins?
 
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11:55 AM
@rene 123 open posts in godaddy tag. You're right about it slowing down at the end.
 
@Yvette hey
 
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hi
 
how many question open now?
 
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123 last I looked
 
Hiya
 
12:07 PM
ayiH
 
hiya
 
it is also weekend ...
 
it is? oh yes
 
haha
 
user3956566
12:25 PM
I just answered a question and I think it's an ok answer
 
I flagged this as not an answer stackoverflow.com/questions/39180609/…
it's still pending
 
@Yvette i dont know that lang -_-
 
user3956566
@rene I value your opinion in this tag what do you think?
 
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@ColdFire it's the language I work in mostly and really love
 
@UnknownDeveloper It means Low Quality Posts Review Queue is still working on it
 
user3956566
12:30 PM
I still do android, but not as much
 
user3956566
and don't enjoy it nearly as much
 
@Tunaki how can I check
it only says pending
 
@UnknownDeveloper There's no direct way to get the link of the review item.
 
Ok thanks for your help
 
12:31 PM
The only work-around is when a canned comment is left, because it contains the link to the review.
 
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oh god, anyone with eye balls, want to read that answer ans tell me if it flows please?
 
@Tunaki also I see there is a 1 next to the flag
 
@Yvette reading
 
someone else flagged it too ?
 
user3956566
@Tunaki thanks fish head ;)
 
12:32 PM
@UnknownDeveloper what do you mean?
 
user3956566
yeh that's naa
 
see the number in the red box
@Tunaki
 
@UnknownDeveloper that is the number of answer in total
hover the number
the tooltip will say it
 
ahhhh thanks
@Tunaki
 
you're welcome :)
@Yvette it reads nice. Isn't it a bit POB though? I kinda agree with your point and I went there, did that. Better to have separate forms for creating / editing and reading
too much pain and you're not actually factorizing code
but it is conceptually very different, although it looks technically the same
 
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12:38 PM
@Tunaki well yes I was wondering that also, but it's also a practical issue, as I have through about similar things as the OP myself and have had to give careful examination to this very issue. I think it's on topic
 
user3956566
or I wouldn't have answered it
 
user3956566
@Tunaki there's a number of ways of obtaining the same thing with mvc (god I love it!)
 
code should not be reused when the technical implementation makes it looks like you're doing the same 2 things at different place
it should be reused when the functional requirements are the same for the 2 process
 
user3956566
yes and mvc has partial classes for view reuse they are designed for that
 
user3956566
the thing is, we had views with so many partial classes etc, it became more reliable to lock them down to readonly for different user roles. And the challenge in that was users disabling JS in the browser and so ensuring security could not be breached server side
 
user3956566
12:43 PM
I mean, you always need server side security anyway
 
not spam
 
user3956566
wow answered two questions
 
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I feel positively angelic
 
@Yvette it doesn't sound wrong but it depends a lot on the business requirements.
 
user3956566
@rene yes true
 
user3956566
12:53 PM
@rene op asked another question here and I think there may be a lack of understanding, in which case the answer is sound
 

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