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12:06 AM
Ah, the benefits of being an RO
 
And I can see deleted Q&A, just sayin'
 
that's overrated
 
(who am I kidding, curiosity is killing me here)
@gunr2171 not at all!:D
 
Jon and Cerbrus were discussing muffin recipes, Jon didn't want that info getting out
 
oh yeah, it would hit his reputation badly if it turned out that he eats anything other than rodents and scooby snacks
 
12:11 AM
I'm not at liberty to discuss the flavor of muffins...hint hint
 
so it wasn't cinnamony at all?
 
no idea
wow, that is a super broad question
 
No it's not. Cinnamon is a very specific spice.
 
:P
 
two favourites?
and only one is OP
 
12:15 AM
hey, it's a good question. Not good quality, but good to read later
 
:D
sounds quite paradoxical to me
this is the game dev equivalent of the "I have this image, make my non-existent program do [arbitrarily complicated computer vision task]" questions
to which the answer is often "I have a colleague who does this for their PhD"
 
Sounds like the product manager found out about stack overflow
 
oops, not even game dev
 
12:32 AM
The ridiculousness a reopen vote on a self admitted "not reproducible" stackoverflow.com/questions/38967534/…
 
somebody wants to reopen and close it as no repro:P
 
1:16 AM
What does it mean when a user's name is gray in comments
 
As in, their name isn't a link?
 
Yeah
 
That user deleted their account.
 
Oh. Just watched someone delete their account right in front of my eyes
 
1:18 AM
Not sure, just suddenly became gray
 
Maybe there were never there and it was all a dream!? :p
 
I used to read Word Up magazine
 
1:33 AM
@undo but... systemd!
 
@JonClements Can you check two declined flags for me and give me your opinion on how they were handled?
or @EdCottrell ^
 
frankly, I feel stupid each time I need to remember which I should use services or systemctl
@Rizier123 why the heck didn't he just stored those values in a variable?
 
@Sotirios Sure. Links?
 
@EdCottrell Two NAAs in this question.
Both were declined - flags should only be used to make moderators aware of content that requires their intervention
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis That'd probably be a good meta question (phrase it non-accusatory-like), we need to get aligned on how we handle those.
 
1:40 AM
@Braiam No idea.
 
My understanding is that that message is a more for custom flags. IS this correct?
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis I agree with @Undo on that one. I'm not the one who handled them, so I don't want to speculate on that moderator's reasoning.
So, Meta would be a good place to hash it out.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis It's a standard decline message
 
Ok, I'll post something. I didn't earlier because I feel like you get a lot of those, but if you suggest it, sure.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis probably because the problem was the question?
 
1:50 AM
Well yeah, I've already voted to delete it
 
2:10 AM
Argh you mods are quick
 
I cracked my phone screen. Gotta take it out on the spammers.
 
Morning
 
But what if one of them is offering phone screen repairs?
 
@FrankerZ meh, probably going to fix it myself.
Apparently the 5X is fairly screwdriver-friendly.
just gotta get parts, which is scary.
 
Side note: Is that your dog in your avatar?
 
2:12 AM
@FrankerZ was my dog up until December 26th
 
:(
 
Died of seizures.
 
Awww, I'm sorry to hear.
 
I'm over it by now :). Got a new dog, it's an awesome dog but not nearly as photogenic ;)
 
@AshishAhujaツ Maybe offer Undo a Scooby snack for a refunded bounty
 
but we aren't supposed to ping mods in here, aren't we?
 
@AshishAhujaツ come on, that was almost closed...
 
@AshishAhujaツ If that's a rule I must have missed it somewhere. I only ping for important stuff. Like mod-only or serious. And this would be mod-only
 
@Rizier123 do you have a good dupe hammer target for stackoverflow.com/q/38987197 or Mach's
 
2:38 AM
@Machavity I was told that we shouldn't ping mods in here. Lemme find a reference...
 
yeah maybe just say "if a mod sees this"
unless it is serious
 
@Drew Well for the mysqli function there is already one in the comments and for the header thingy this one: stackoverflow.com/q/8028957/3933332
 
Aug 4 at 17:18, by Jon Clements
@FrankerZ anyway - rule of thumb - don't ping mods please
^ @Machavity
 
I'm always being thrown under the bus :P
 
Ah. I forgot the important caveat. The mod needs to be active. Like I wouldn't just randomly ping Jon or Madara
and he left. So moot to ping now
just mod flag it then
 
2:41 AM
ok
But is it alright if we mod flag for a bounty to be removed?
 
@AshishAhujaツ Yes. The question needed to be closed. The bounty shouldn't act like a lock
 
then lemme go and flag
raised.
 
2:57 AM
@clo current tag
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@AshishAhujaツ The current tag is with 1337 known review items.
 
@clo next 3 tags
 
@AshishAhujaツ The next 3 tags are: 1337, 54, 35
 
@clo next 7 tags
 
@AshishAhujaツ The next 7 tags are: 1337, 54, 35, 33, 33, 29, 29
 
@AshishAhujaツ I think the system is lagging. I just had an error on a delete vote but upon reload it had taken
 
@AshishAhujaツ mm?
 
and that's my daily limit of deletes. Night guys
 
3:24 AM
@Machavity yeah. Once I reloaded and voted again, it worked
 
 
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4:46 AM
@SmokeDetector i suspect that answer is given with no intention to advertise stuff, as the answerer doesn't promote it at all... should it be flagged as spam anyway?
 
@dorukayhan as per the below it the simplest solution is to downvote and close vote the question
 
5:05 AM
building xorg... I think I will go to sleep...
 
6:03 AM
hey all o/
 
probably question is not that bad
 
@ColdFire can you understand anything in that question? I don't
 
@AshishAhujaツ yes i can
 
> I checked whether I have added the appcompat properly. But it is all Correct to me. So please tell me what am I doing wrong ?
@Cold ^ you really understand that??
 
6:16 AM
well question is not clear, but i know the issue
Exception says it all
 
@SmokeDetector Google translation: "Of course, as an ordinary member of the channel in the Channels link member not managers. The field? Please if someone"
 
@tripleee Not a k. its naa instead
Just writing in arabic is not a k
 
@Magisch Farsi I think
but point taken, thanks
 
Just run it through google translate and unless it has a spammy link in it or sounds very fishy, do naa instead of k
 
Hm, that Node.js question already has a re-open vote.
... Again
 
6:29 AM
so much so as to be completely unclear
 
Agreed
 
@πάνταῥεῖ it's naa. It's not spam or abusive
14 mins ago, by Magisch
@tripleee Not a k. its naa instead
 
lol
 
Point being if its just someone asking about something or trying to answer in a non-latin language, thats not a k. In the case in point that was a poorly thought through programming question posted as an answer in farsi. The fact that its in farsi doesn't elevate it to sd k from sd naa and a user doesn't need to be spam nuked for that.
 
afk
back
 
6:59 AM
> I'll make note of you in my black book. I'll make shure not to ever take any courses from you. this kind of spamming in professionals website is out of any ethical boundaries.
 
LOL
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Can you use sd tpu- instead of sd tpu in future? It reduces the clutter in chat by not having smokey respond to every feedback you give.
 
@rene - They should actually ban the words ONLINE and TRAINING in posts. Yes, such spammers will find new words, but they will not be able to get their message across to people and hence give up
 
@TheLostMind We have literally hundreds of these words on the smoke detector blacklist
Its an uphill battle
 
looks like it would need a shoot-out
 
7:05 AM
@TheLostMind here is the SD regex file responsible for pattern matching.
Browse at your own despair
 
@TheLostMind the last time I participated in this discussion, the consensus seemed to be that deleting their posts pronto would be better than having them invent new patterns and have us go chasing them again
 
@Magisch - Yes. And yet we require people to flag those as spam (even after smokie detects them)
 
this doesn't prevent them from inventing new ways to go unnoticed, but being able to remove lots of spam within minutes is better than not being able to
 
My argument is that if they change the pattern, they will not be able to send the same message.
But that's "my argument". :P
 
@TheLostMind There currently is some talk about further integration with SE. Their spamram only uses known spammers ip adresses to block spam. Its effective, but stuff gets through.
 
7:07 AM
@Magisch - IPs won't help much in such cases
 
They already keep 99% of the spam out
keep in mind, the stuff you see coming through is like the 1% of spam that slips through the cracks of spamram
 
I know that :)
 
@TheLostMind what linguistically amounts to the "same message" is probably close enough in their book
 
@TheLostMind your argument is flawed. Now go nuke those spam accounts ;)
 
spam is different from worms in that any fool can create a new mutation of a spam message
 
7:09 AM
lol
 
@TheLostMind You have all the tools to nuke spam on SO instantly, you can even destroy the user
 
Yes, he just hovered his mouse over yours ...
 
while I think we all agree that if the spam could be killed automatically instead of manually, that would be even better, you seem to want to optimize the wrong part of the flow
 
Well, I would love to see how you would say that you have an "online sap training center" without using any of those words :)
 
there was a vogue in email spam a few years back to pad with o*n*l*i*n*e s*a*p etc but needless to say, it's not like that's the only option
 
7:11 AM
@rene , @Magisch - Digging a bit around that account
 
@rene even after the docs recalc, I still have over 200 rep, so I'm good against wanton destruction
 
These people are not "trolls". This is a "marketing strategy". If they realize that they cannot send their message to the target audience, they will give up
 
@TheLostMind you don't have an adequate understanding of what "marketing" means to these people
 
These accounts are not from random morons posting garbage.
 
7:13 AM
@Magisch what is the recalc based on
 
even real marketing pros have a problem understanding the difference between attention and annoyance, and these people are the bottom scrape
 
@tripleee - So, you are suggesting that they are bored and want to "troll" and "spam".?
 
no, I am suggesting that they are unlikely to stop spamming
 
We have no real metrics . Maybe we should try it and see if it really works.
 
@Magisch ah, docs got their recalc? So the equilibrium has been reached now ...
 
7:15 AM
the classic slippery slope is "I don't want to spend too much on marketing and I want to reach a lot of people. So what if I annoy a few" but these days, very often it's medium to big companies with "let's do some A/B testing. You do A -- be the bad cop, spam away, all methods you can think of are okay"
 
@rene Not yet but its coming soon
in Documentation Public Beta, 11 hours ago, by Adam Lear
@Magisch We've been discussing rep a lot over the last few days. Hoping to have something up on meta in the next day or two.
 
@Magisch 6 to 8 .... ?
 
in Documentation Public Beta, 14 hours ago, by Jon Ericson
@Magisch All the options we are looking at so far are net reductions in Docs rep. They generally reduce the rep-gain from small edits to large examples. But the details are very much being debated internally right now.
 
They are not big companies, these are training institutions
 
@TheLostMind that's what it looks like, but they could be acting on a commission from somebody
the underground food chains are growing ever more complex
 
7:18 AM
@Magisch I like this ... orders popcorn to prevent running out of stock
 
user3956566
@rene now I'm hungry
 
@rene It will be such an epic shitshow
 
but anyway, we are not in a position to enforce this with SO. Feel free to create a meta post if you like, but like I said, we have been over this before
 
user3956566
!!/blame
 
@GregP It's πάντα ῥεῖ's fault.
2
 
7:19 AM
@rene If you thought the grand rep recalc that happened once was a shitshow, this will be worse. many users stand to lose most to all of their privileges over it
 
@Magisch I don't think this has been unclear to anyone who has been reading meta
granted, there will probably be an influx of people who will now start to follow, at least for the duration of the shitshow
 
@tripleee Only a very small sample of the population makes it to meta to begin with
 
@Magisch yeah, absolutely
 
user3956566
 
even out of those who knowingly participate in a beta
 
user3956566
7:22 AM
@tripleee thanks
 
@GregP - I didn't do anything . It got nuked before I reached that post :P
 
user3956566
@TheLostMind yeh just saw that!
 
user3956566
@TheLostMind do me a favour, can you change my network name back to Yvette please?
 
user3956566
I will keep my handsome pic but will be myself in name
 
I can.. Or you could go to another SE site and change it and apply to all other sites..
Have you tried the latter?
 
user3956566
7:24 AM
nah, cos I updated it network wide and need to wait
 
Guys, don't you hate it when proposed changes' diff views are anything but readable? I suggested a small change to fix that :D
 
lol
 
Whoa, Yvette changed gender?
 
user3956566
@TheLostMind @tripleee also if you don't mind can we get you to run through some of the godaddy questions that are closed and delete them? We could do with a hand on the burnination and we have a shortage of delete votes
 
user3956566
@Cerbrus I now desire myself ;)
 
7:26 AM
lol
yvette
 
user3956566
I thought the gender change would alter how people relate to me, but I figured out a behaviour change works better ;) cc@rene shuddup, don't say I told you so or I'll bash ya ;)
 
I don't care what bits a person has. If that person is friendly, I'm friendly. If that person is a total dick, guess what... :P
 
haha
 
user3956566
@Cerbrus hey a woman can't be a total dick, but she can be a total something else nsfw
 
@GregP I c...
 
user3956566
7:29 AM
@Cerbrus exactomundo ;)
 
I'm equally annoyed by people of all genders
I could really barely care less about people's gender beyond the pronoun they want to be adressed by
 
user3956566
@Magisch when I was in my irritable phase of life I just hated all people equally, I now don't mind some people
 
Its not that I hate people, but social interaction is ... very draining
 
@GregP I'm holding off until later today because I ran out of votes early a few times
 
I need me-time to recharge and not get really annoyed
 
7:31 AM
Plop!
 
user3956566
@tripleee meh I have a grand 6 votes in total per day, they go in 30 seconds lol
 
@Tyler @Mag One reopen vote on that Node.JS Q again. The community seems to be in favour of an HL.
 
user3956566
@Magisch me too
 
Morning everyone o/
 
but I'll certainly dive in in the PM
 
7:32 AM
blob @Kyll
 
user3956566
@Kyll obligatory slap across head with @tuna
 
user3956566
@Seth \o
 
lol
 
user3956566
@tripleee thanks and it's @TheLostMind who could be of great help here with his magic higgerty piggery mod powers
 
squeaks
 
7:33 AM
@GregP He's crazy though o.o
 
user3956566
Do you guys in here want to all spend one day voting on the ? It would really help hit it on it's head and feel free to hit @Kyll on the head with the @tuna fish
 
@GregP Will do later today
 
user3956566
@Seth @TheLostMind is truly one of the loveliest people I have met on here.
 
user3956566
@Kyll tosses @Kyll out the window
 
lands in tree
 
7:35 AM
lol
 
@GregP - Are you OK? :P
 
@GregP Well then, start repwhoring :D Then you get more votes
 
user3956566
@TheLostMind meh Kyll and I are close friends in real life and I love tossing him around violently in here ;)
 
@TheLostMind Like he ever is
 
user3956566
@Cerbrus yes I will when I get some time. I also want to finish Ada
 
7:37 AM
What exactly happened with godaddy?
 
user3956566
@Cerbrus it got added to the burnination list in meta
 
@Kyll - I hope Greg doesn't toss you around violently in real life
 
user3956566
then rene added a few of us as ROs in here chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/120759/godaddy-burnination
 
Ah, makes sense.
 
lol @tlm
 
user3956566
7:38 AM
and now maybe one of these above mentioned persons (me) feels responsible and is voting on the rotten blinking tag every day
 
user3956566
@TheLostMind No, he would enjoy it too much ;)
 
user3956566
hey Cerbrus come to the godaddy room so I can add you as RO!!!! ;)
 
@GregP - Please don't hurt him. We will have nothing to toss around if anything happens to him
 
user3956566
@TheLostMind he has armour! what's the problem? ;)
 
afsocvr
 
7:47 AM
@Magisch I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
Magisch passed an audit!
 
wat. Is this valid PHP?
 
no idea
 
There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [godaddy] [pygodaddy] [godaddy-api]"
 
It looks like someone forced Bash into a <?php ?>
 
@Kyll Meanwhile, one of the 2 answers on there is dangerously close to link-only
 
7:50 AM
Hey @Cerbrus
Do you have your popcorn yet?
 
@Cerbrus Kinda yeah. Plop!
 
35 mins ago, by Magisch
in Documentation Public Beta, 11 hours ago, by Adam Lear
@Magisch We've been discussing rep a lot over the last few days. Hoping to have something up on meta in the next day or two.
 
Yay
 
:(
 
Too Broad? I removed the blatant tool request
 
7:57 AM
@Magisch Oh boy
I wonder what they'll do
 
^ Still alive
 
in Documentation Public Beta, 14 hours ago, by Jon Ericson
@Magisch All the options we are looking at so far are net reductions in Docs rep. They generally reduce the rep-gain from small edits to large examples. But the details are very much being debated internally right now.
 
But my precious fake internet points... They can't take those!
 
yeah fake points
 
> But the details are very much being debated internally right now.
> (translated) There's a small war in the office, most of it is burnt down but we got the router!!
 
8:00 AM
lol
 
@Cerbrus The only capacity in which I care about rep is because it unlocks privileges that I want
If I was at 20k now, any further points of rep would be wholly irrelevant to me
 
@Magisch Isn't there a stats privilege at 25k?
 
meh. Thats really not that important
most important is viewing deleted posts & delete votes
 
ikr
 
@Cerbrus I felt cheated on. Reputation was (not totally but quite) related to talent, competences or ability to solve problems. Now it seems it's related to doing boring documentation work for free. This is a depreciation.
 
8:06 AM
@DenysSéguret I can only agree to that.
 
I fully agree.
 
I'm not sure SO measured the risk on their main asset
 
@DenysSéguret Either that or they willingly took the risk in order to promote their newest feature.
 
It seems a bit like a case of "testing in production".
 
Either way, it blew up :p
Buuuuut changes are on their way.
 
8:09 AM
I still have a bunch of feature requests / bug reports open...
 
So we - hopefully - will all be able to enjoy some nicely done documentation (some day).
Which doesn't give 1 rep users 10k+ privileges (see Arrays-doc).
 
@Seth Meh. Its slowing down a lot atm, and the top users in docs right now got like 4k from it so far
 
The main changes I'm looking forward to is the basic security: total separation of privileges and reps between those two sites.
 
@Cerbrus It is, it definitely is. But that's why it's a beta c:
 
Nowhere near 10k is my point
 
8:11 AM
@Magisch I know, that was an exaggeration c: But it's a lot of rep, either way.
 
@DenysSéguret That wont happen. They already stated docs will give rep and it will be SO rep, period.
 
They also didn't measure how "contribution" was a reducing term...
 
@Magisch you get still more at 100k
I was hoping there'd be something fun at 50k as well but no
 
Look at the 50k guy moaning he doesn't get even more cool stuff
:D
in Documentation Public Beta, 14 hours ago, by Jon Ericson
@Magisch That's not something I worry about. It troubles me that existing users keep trying to segregate Docs reputation. :-(
 
Welp, most users dislike the idea of having an unbalanced feature that wrecks the "economy".
That shouldn't trouble anyone.
Change it, balance it, everyone's happy.
Well, most users atleast.
 
8:22 AM
Meh
if SO is an economy its already been wrecked by FGITW and the like
 
@Magisch I want another T-shirt! I only have 3 *sadface*
 
@Magisch Well, no. That's a diminishingly small amount.
 
@Seth Most rep on SO comes from simple answers to simple questions. If you really want to farm rep, learn something like mathlab or php, and go farming on the noobs
 
@Magisch Not most rep ô.o I don't think so.
A lot, certainly, but not that much.
 
my point:
I've been cheated on if rep goes from a measure of comp and problem solving ability to willingness to do boring doc work. #StackOverflow
 
8:24 AM
^
Which is the main source of the problem.
 
@Seth from the sheer volume, yes, most
 
Like I said before, documentation imposes a devaluation of skills & promotes c&p-peps.
 
Oooh
The Tuna drops in when a one-box is posted
 
@Magisch Not too sure about that. We need a query!!!
@Kyll Atleast it isn't the flower... :]
 
Hiya
 
8:26 AM
Denys will live to see another day as long as the flower doesn't appear again.
Hiya @Tuna o/
 
Aloha!
 
Hiya @Petter c:
 
Plop Tuna
Yay got the nuke
 
just in time for the spam, perfect
 
@Tunaki Do you want eggs spam and spam for your petit-déjeuner?
 
8:29 AM
why not, you're cooking?
 
@Magisch more close / delete votes would be a terrific Easter egg
 
you're cooking fast @Kyll!
 
@Tunaki Well it's spam, so...
Just needs a really hot pan and woosh
 
do we have statistics for how quickly spam is removed after we see a notification here?
 
Depends on the time of the day :]
 
8:31 AM
20 seconds must be pretty close to the fastest you can get
 
yeah there are some in metasmoke
 
a ha got accept on bounty question, how does bounty work?, will I get it or is it still user who decided?
 
@PetterFriberg Wut? :o
 
@PetterFriberg the user who awards the bounty gets to choose which answer to award it to
 
@tripleee You could look at Smokey messages deletion timestamps
 
8:32 AM
if they don't intervene, the answer with the highest upvotes gets it
IIRC
 
If if there is only 1 answer? (it was a xy problem)
 
with the accept, you'll get half if the bounty giver doesn't award
 
then there is little competition (-:
 
> The bounty period lasts 7 days. Bounties must have a minimum duration of at least 1 day. After the bounty ends, there is a grace period of 24 hours to manually award the bounty. Simply click the bounty award icon next to each answer to permanently award your bounty to the answerer. (You cannot award a bounty to your own answer.)

If you do not award your bounty within 7 days (plus the grace period), the highest voted answer created after the bounty started with a minimum score of 2 will be awarded half the bounty amount. If two or more eligible answers have the same score (their scores ar
 
@PetterFriberg but then maybe it should be closed instead?
> As of June 2010, the bounty system is decoupled from accepting an answer. meta
 
8:34 AM
@tripleee Can't close questions with a open bounty.
 
ssssh he wants to get to 10k
 
@Cerbrus no, but you can get a mod to remove the bounty if it's clear that it's off-topic
 
True
Link, @PetterFriberg?
 
@tripleee Yeah it's a strange question, it had a bounty of 50 before, I decided to not answer it. The problem was that now it had also 11 upvotes (which is very much for jasper-reports) and a new bounty 100... so I decided to answer it.
@Cerbrus can't do that in here...
 
Why not?
 
8:35 AM
@PetterFriberg sure you can, just don't one-box it
 
I guess you can find it : )
 
Good question - as far as I can tell - and good answer ;o
 
meeh, he was over complicating everything...
 
Edited the question... Used a snippet -.-
 
8:39 AM
Oh :D
 
Very POB, indeed
With 2 answers... -.-
Just 1 more delete vote
 
I downvoted both answers
 
Gone
 
sigh
@Yam Nope.
 
8:48 AM
 
@Cerbrus that was quickly done!
 
user3956566
@DenysSéguret totally agree. If more rep is gained from docs and doing mod job like edit suggestions, then the person has not proven that they can program. And rep for problem solving doesn't always accurately reflect that as it is
 
RT if you want to make it heard (in a gentle and civic way, as we still love SE)
 
user3956566
@DenysSéguret RT?
 
"retweet"
only works if you use twitter, of course...
 
user3956566
8:52 AM
@DenysSéguret ah no
 
user3956566
 
deleted by owner - spam still pending
 
@Kyll lol
 
@Tunaki the question is now on hold with a massive downvote burden, so it will probably be roomba'd eventually
 

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