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1:00 PM
@JAL ah thanks! yes I got it :)
 
@JAL ah, weird it started working again after I reloaded with the dev tools. At the time, there was a "mixed content" error that failed to load important SE stuff.
 
JAL
hmm, odd
 
@FrankerZ check the last room meeting details... not really, maybe, lets stay away, lets decide later...
 
JAL
I used to get 500 internal server error if the site thought I was doing something malicious, but haven't seen that in a while
 
@PetterFriberg hehe
 
1:01 PM
@JAL yeah, maybe my HTTPS plugin was freaking out.
 
JAL
maybe
~~~ the world may never know ~~~
 
@ryanyuyu I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@Braiam Hmm, OK, I asked because it is featured now for more then two days and I'm not sure what the outcome will be, whoever requested that to flag it to be featured in the first place. Maybe I need to ping @Undo about it ... Oh, I just did ...
 
That sneaky ping
 
hehe
 
1:05 PM
@rene Yeah. He was pinged in the comments also.
 
busy mod
 
Those blurry flowers are crafty
 
morning!
 
JAL
hello!
 
Hiya gunr
 
JAL
1:09 PM
what tags need delete votes? godaddy and there was another one, a linux tag I think.
 
kali-linux
there are a bunch with 1 and 2 del votes
I made a sweep the last few days.
 
Why is the godaddy burninate request still [featured]?
it's been more than 1 day
 
JAL
@Tunaki thanks
 
No one knows. Rene did a sneaky ping to undo.
 
@gunr2171 yeah ...
Read a few lines up
 
1:11 PM
oh, I flagged the post yesterday to have the featured tag removed, still pending
 
or it is just me
 
@FirstStep @NathanOliver that's your territory
 
JAL
^ Unclear problem statement "can this cause any problems?"
 
@gunr2171 but you also don't know who is heading that?
 
nope, but figure we might as well remind the mod team of the procedure
 
1:17 PM
Who decided that we get to set the procedure anyways?
Did we have a FR for that some time?
 
@FirstStep Yeah I went with too broad cc @gunr2171
 
@Magisch I did
 
we did write up a faq-proposed meta post, and the community did not reject it
 
So what if someone posts a burnination request and doesn't want it to follow the procedure?
 
it's not that the procedure we came up with is radically different than what would happen naturally.
the main difference is getting a mod to make decisions and help things move along
 
1:20 PM
It depends how they do it. Now one has to follow the policy. The policy is there A) to get consensus from meta B) making a group procedure easy to follow.
 
What for instance if I didn't want to wait, and just post the request for posterity, and start indiscriminately editing out tags when it gets to +3
extreme example I know, but still
 
@Magisch You may get suspended if your actions are out of line.
Like you decide to burn down PHP for instance.
 
Who sets that line? I assume the mods do
good luck doing that by hand
I'm pretty sure even with just the rate-limiting SO has on the POST requests to edit things, that'd take years
 
@Magisch you;re free to do that. When you screw up you're either called out on meta, in this room or mod-messaged
That is why the burnination backlog is sorted the way it is. The huge ones are at the end
 
My point is, this procedure auto comment and the message sound awfully official. Might run afoul of people thinking this room already has too much power as is. Maybe we should reword it to emphasise that this is a way to help the request suceed in due time, not a official procedure to follow.
 
1:23 PM
@NathanOliver PHP has nearly 1M questions. You just want that jacket. Admit it.
 
@Machavity I really do want the jacket.
 
Closing 1M questions would take you 52 years using the 50 CV/Day as mark line
assuming every CV of yours results in closure
 
@Magisch sure, the auto-comment is in the repo
 
afk
 
@Magisch Oh ... I better start now then ...
 
1:26 PM
@Magisch Not if I become a mod. They will call me Nate The Grate PHP Destroyer Oliver
2
 
wow 1M questions
 
Nate's Common Sense
 
lol
At least we would find out who suspends a mod ;)
 
lol
 
is at 961k Q's, is at 988k Q's not sure which one is better :p
 
1:28 PM
If I became a mod I could throw Kyll with impunity....
Time to take politician classes
 
@kayess C# is certainly better...
 
only has .464 100K
 
replace Angela Merkel
batch015 count=26 cv3,4 is in the beehive
@JAL ^
 
@DavidG I meant the number of questions
heya Dr. @Dre
 
@Drew Why though. In an ocean of blindness, the one eyed woman is king
 
1:29 PM
Java(Script) has a lot more.....
 
@kayess I know, but my natural reflexes are to hate php :)
 
@DavidG :)
 
@Tunaki Since JS has more question the Java that proves that JS > Java. Unfortunetly that also means JS > Java > C++ but C == C++ always.
 
c++ == d ?
 
eye twitching
 
1:31 PM
@kayess ++C == D
 
Sam
C++^2 == C#
 
c#++ == [f#,clojure];
All heil to the functional programming language hype!
 
B==D
 
JAL
@Drew on it, thanks
 
1:33 PM
Yet I can't understand the hype...
 
Sam
Closey's actually (partially) written in F#
 
Why is that? You pasted codes from SO right ?:p
 
Sam
The tracking is all F#, chat handling/DB is done in C#.
:P
 
I'm happy with the functional programming syntax they are adding to C++. It will let us do some really cool compile time constructs to make the code look really good but add no run time overhead. Of course it takes longer to compile but we only do that once.
 
Compile once? What kind of nonsense is that ?:p
 
1:36 PM
Well you don't write bugs do you? I know I don't. Bugs are bad ;)
 
@NathanOliver You hath committed treachery and aspired to the darkest Arts by equating C to C++. You are hereby sentenced to 30 years of debugging other people's CUDA code.
 
I am full of bugs
I compile on each statement :P
 
@Magisch But it is true. C++ == C.
 
@FirstStep That's what actually NCrunch does... it runs all related tests to a given line :p
 
I am like a spider. I need bugs to live
 
1:37 PM
@FirstStep Hello. I haven't met you yet. On the note of spiders, have you met my flamethrower?
 
@FirstStep Really I debug every function or two. No point writing 1K lines of code to start searching for bugs.
@Magisch You broke my edit
 
@NathanOliver I unbroke it
again
You saw nothing
vanishes
 
@NathanOliver how did you manage to misspell "great"?
13 mins ago, by NathanOliver
@Magisch Not if I become a mod. They will call me Nate The Grate PHP Destroyer Oliver
 
Hello @Magisch. I am new here. And no I have not had the pleasure of meeting your flamethrower. Tell me about it
 
@gunr2171 It's PHP. It doesn't need to make sense.
 
1:39 PM
@FirstStep I use it to burn bugs and all things skittery
 
@NathanOliver a bad developer blames his tools. A good developer blames management for the bad tool selection.
 
Spiders are considered bugs too? @Magisch
 
@gunr2171 :)
 
@Magisch did you already consult your domain expert about the one-email problem ?
 
@kayess "I don't care make it work"
 
1:42 PM
@Magisch means you can rework the model ?
 
no
 
For some reason metasmoke has no feedback recorded for me. Does anyone else see that? metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/users
 
they want one email and only see their link. They don't care that I think its not possible. I guess I can cheese it by making my own thunderbird extension and make it hide lines conditional on whats in them
 
@NathanOliver same
 
@NathanOliver Do you have an account?
 
1:43 PM
@NathanOliver maybe because the Codes in PHP? boolean is set to true in your case:(
 
These are a list of the MS accounts
 
@Magisch Yes
 
@NathanOliver Whats your username?
 
@Magisch you realise that is extra smelly right ?:)
 
JAL
@Drew done, but already voted on a bunch of those
 
1:44 PM
@kayess If I have to cheese, I'll use the rotten awful smelling cheese if I have to
 
@Magisch I think it is my email but now I don't remember.
Isn't there a login page?
 
Yes
 
If anyone bored and full of close votes at end of day could look at the iOS batch for the obvious ones at cv3 that would be dandy
 
But the list is by username, not email
 
And I broke metasmoke i.stack.imgur.com/WZIDF.png
 
1:45 PM
Same here
 
@TylerH wouldn't flag that
 
@gunr2171 feedback list is by user id now
 
@Magisch User name is just NathanOliver
 
@NathanOliver Did you link your SE account to metasmoke? You can do that via OpenID here
 
@Tunaki I just did
 
1:47 PM
@Magisch I went through it and it said I was already authenticated.
 
@NathanOliver Have you given feedback since then?
Because it doesn't work on feedback prior to that IIRC
 
Yeah. Lots.
 
Huh. Ping undo with that then
 
@Tunaki Flag retracted. OP edited.
 
@undo When you get a chance I am broken on metasmoke cc@ArtOfCode
unless I had to redo it maybe. we shall see what happens on the next SD report
 
JAL
1:51 PM
@kayess I just retracted my flag too. Woo! First time I got to use that in production
 
@Tunaki retracted after OP edited
my first retraction as well
> Thank you in regards
Who the heck is teaching people to speak English like this
 
@πάνταῥεῖ You have an admirer: stackoverflow.com/questions/38898414/…
 
Sam
wth
 
2:00 PM
sorry non 10kers, fun is over
 
curse you tuna
and your sudden but inevitable betrayal
 
@Tunaki You mean "I see something, which you don't see" :P
 
@Sam You used the wrong link. You need to use this
 
JAL
> Error Error Error Error Error Error
profound
 
Sam
2:04 PM
@NathanOliver gunr should've claimed copyrights on that
 
JAL
I think that's spam, there's no error on the site, might be to drive traffic
 
@Sam posted it here do it is CC-by SA
 
close and delete
 
@Tunaki closed
 
1 vote
 
2:05 PM
@NathanOliver why are you broken
 
Sam
@NathanOliver Oh yeah, I keep forgetting that
 
well, may reasons really
 
@ArtOfCode It says I have no feedback. Last time I check I had plenty.
 
@NathanOliver new metasmoke account
status-not-quite-bydesign
 
@rene Mostly because flag handling on meta is criminally slow anyway, and I'm on semi-vacation
 
2:07 PM
is there an actual login/sign-up button?
 
@gunr2171 go to /review
It'll only show up if you try to access something that requires it. Should probably add an actual button
 
Basically, if you've got a new metasmoke account, all your feedback is just starting to be registered against that instead of under a username, so the way the feedback page is built, your old feedback doesn't associate
 
Sam
> Donate soul here
 
Good morning everyone :)
 
it's /users/sign_in or /users/sign_up
 
Sam
Hiya
 
Hey Seth
 
@ArtOfCode But i already had a registered account and it was recording. We even talked about how I needed 2 more feed backs to get under 1% incorrect.
Even my user ID is the same
 
I just logged in, went to the user "gunr2171", still 0 entries
 
reviewing that [godaddy] thing, just a sec
 
2:10 PM
and undo never came back
 
@NathanOliver oh yeah, I recall. The design of the feedback page has changed - it finds feedback based on your user ID rather than your user name now. Old feedback that was recorded with your user name doesn't have a record of your metasmoke user ID, so the feedback page doesn't find it.
We could associate old feedback manually, but that's a lot of work for Undo on the console.
 
@Seth Good morning
 
So all the old stuff is now dissociated but it will now record since I am re-associated?
 
@ArtOfCode Quick confirmation, this throws errors badly now metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/admin/… normal I guess?
 
Sam
@Tunaki snafu?
 
2:13 PM
@Tunaki Yeah you have to replace user_name=Tunaki with user_id=your_id_here
 
@Sam snafu?
 
kicked the [godaddy] thing along, have fun
 
@Machavity lol that's 100% correct
 
thank you good sir
 
@ArtOfCode Thats fine. I don't need it I just though it was broken as it worked last month.
I don't need the data. I'll build it back up again.
 
2:14 PM
@Tunaki yeah, design changed
 
Sam
@Tunaki Situation Normal: All Fouled Up.
 
@undo that means, please burninate it?
 
Unfortunate trade-off of associating metasmoke and chat feedbacj
 
I don't have an account. So the current feedback I give is ignored?
 
@rene yes please
@Tunaki No, it's counted - just not associated with you.
 
2:14 PM
@Tunaki not ignored but not recorded for you.
 
@Tunaki nope, it still gets recorded
 
updating header to phase 4
 
you just need an account for it to appear in the user feedback page
 
@undo then it needs a status-planned :)
 
details details
 
2:16 PM
next question is: Do we, as a room, want to go over the tag?
 
silly puppy
 
wait a minute when did this turn into a room meeting
 
What is the minimum rate optic fiber internet can work?
 
1,844 questions.
it is a lot and was quite down the initial list
 
@TylerH it just did before you arrived
 
2:17 PM
I'm being offered plans from 1Mbps with fiber...
 
Sam
@Braiam As in, bandwidth?
 
@Braiam I'm not sure there is a bottom limit.
 
@Braiam yikes
 
@Sam yeah
 
optic fiber can handle 256kbps or lower even
it's a matter of how much the switches at each end are set to
 
2:18 PM
@Tunaki I have the feeling someone lured us into that but has been gone on holiday for the next 3 months ...
 
@Braiam They can do that. I would not suggest it. I was told anything under 10MB does a fiber to copper connection instead of a direct fiber. If you want to grow without pains start at 10 and get a fiber modem installed.
 
@rene we can
there's only what, 1500 questions?
oh Tuna ninja'd me from the past
 
@NathanOliver that what I thought, they are artificially deflating fiber speed.... Why the heck can't the offer the upper theoric limt?!
 
Is this POB or Too broad or ? stackoverflow.com/questions/38899001/…
Meanwhile english question "does a fiber to copper connection instead of a direct fiber" I'm trying to decode this. Does this mean that <=10Mbps is better on copper ?
 
@Braiam Because then they can't toy with you?
 
2:23 PM
@kayess if you can edit it to ask "are there any advantage of..."
@kayess probably cheaper
 
@kayess cheaper because they don't have to run fiber as far
 
Not sure who requested this to be featured in the first place but as it is now status-planned the SOCVR is open to be heading this effort. — rene 2 mins ago
 
meaning less construction costs
 
@Braiam Oh! Not in my area though...
 
Fiber costs are on the modem/switch
 
2:24 PM
@rene s/know/now
 
@TylerH Digi rolled out fiber in my area and are 1/3th in prices of the previous copper that had 15Mbps at max...
 
@TylerH actually, fiber cable is dirty cheap
or so I remember
 
@kayess @Braiam buying fiber optic cable is cheap
upkeep is cheap too
buying permits and machinery and paying people to dig up sidewalks and streets to lay it is not
it's the number 1 cost for ISPs expanding
 
@TylerH The 3x minimal is speed on fiber is 1/3th cheaper... so? They have installed main fiber lines and 4 port connectors on the power line holding pillars.
 
What they charge is their prerogative and is based on their own business plans
it doesn't change the fact that laying fiber (or any new lines, copper or otherwise) is expensive and they'd rather avoid it
 
2:28 PM
There are alternatives, as said above:)
Stack Overflow Copper Wire Reviewers
 
@Braiam Depends a great deal on who offers it. I'm on 20MB symmetrical but I know the cost of 100MB sym hs dropped significantly. Google Fiber has gone into some areas and dropped the cost even further. They offer 1GB for like $70/mo
 
I have 100/100 at home -DIGINet 100 Pro that is- for ~10EUR/mo, no BW caps or any fixed plans on traffic.
 
@Braiam can you edit in your guidance in the progress answer: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/332200/578411
We are helping with the burnination of . Find the progress report here
8
 
Have anyone seen Gothdo lately?
 
room topic changed to SO Close Vote Reviewers: This room is for the weekly close events, discussion(s) about reviewing, and coordination of site-wide cleanup efforts. Read more at socvr.org [godaddy]
 
2:33 PM
> Last seen 16 mins ago
 
Yeah but he is not ping able anywhere? buuh..
 
@PetterFriberg Check his github profile he has is email addy right there
 
@kayess thanks
 
Questions about DNS... Server Fault or on-topic?
 
Depends if you are programming against it I guess
 
2:38 PM
@Machavity if programming related it's ok I guess
@David \o
 
On then fence about this one
 
Off topic in my interpretation
 
@Machavity Went OT SF
 
@Machavity my vote has spoken
@TylerH if memory serves me right, they already paid for the permission of using the utility poles, and the ones laying the cables didn't look too, lets say, professional
 
Sam
2:53 PM
@Machavity Yes
 
@Machavity No
 
@Machavity maybe?
 
@Machavity Unsure
 
@Machavity Delete all teh things
 
@Machavity What would we retag it to? It is OT so it can be deleted.
 
2:55 PM
Btw, there should be around 30 to 35 questions with delete votes on it.
 
@Machavity nvm me. now I am on the fence.
@Tunaki Go daddy or kali? I sprinkled some in kali earlier. waiting for end of day for the rest.
 
both actually
 
hey
 
Hey Cold
 
Hiya cold
 
2:59 PM
whatsup?
 
everything is down
 

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