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12:05 PM
@Louis Isn't asking if a programming tool has a particular feature or how to use a feature of a programming tool on topic?
 
Sam
@Yam stats
 
Yam
I'm currently watching 436 posts.
 
@Yam Showoff :P
 
:31469751 f
 
Any vba whizzes here?
 
12:10 PM
Taking a look at the rude comments' dump on Bluefeet's answer on meta.SO, I can't help but realize some stuff aren't rude at all.
 
@NathanOliver Hmm.... I see what you are saying but I'm still thinking it is off-topic. The problem is that the OP is asking about something that Sauce Labs has never explicitly said they support. (I've used them for years.) Then again, if you call them and say "we're going to throw gobs of money at you", who is to say they won't spin a VM that allows you to do exactly what you want?
 
@Closey :D
 
@TIPS Petter already started the project of filtering those out github.com/jdd-software/SOCVFinder/tree/master/SOCVDBService/…
 
@Louis OK. I have no idea I just ask the questions so it looks like I am doing something ;). Sounds like it is a Q for us then.
 
> Agree but -1 for answering a dupe. You should know better.
 
12:13 PM
@Magisch depends. I haven't done any VBA in a few years. I think rene is pretty knowledgeable about it.
 
How the hell is this rude?
 
@TIPS I dunno. It looks like a fit comment to me
 
@TIPS berating the user in public? TBH I do it on egregious cases as well.
 
@TIPS There's also stuff like "show us some code" that was apparently flagged & removed
or "SO is not a free coding service" is one I remember removing from Petter's list
 
@NathanOliver IKR
It's just someone in a bad mood.
 
12:16 PM
How is this also a rude comment??
> Try this link: [link]
 
It's not insulting anyone.
Actually, it's like a "son, I expected you to do better." type of comment.
> Seriously? Did you even bother to look at the documentation for UIButton?
Now why is this rude?
 
Even this:
> I have uploaded whole code...pls help me..!
 
People really, I mean REALLY, need to grow a skin.
 
@TIPS How is that not rude?
"Be nice".
 
Sam
@TIPS Welcome to the internet.
 
12:17 PM
(Don't get me wrong, I'd be tempted to post similar comments)
 
@Cerbrus Who is it insulting? It might be non-constructive because it's not phrasing the improvement suggestion in a good way, but it is telling the OP how to improve.
 
@Cerbrus there are hundreds of comments I see like that everyday, and many of them are even voted t the top. I wouldn't call that rude.
 
"Rude" doesn't necessarily mean "Insulting".
 
@Cerbrus "Be nice." != "Coddle users."
 
@TIPS Anything containing stuff like "really" or "seriously" that could be seen as implying an annoyed tone is basically considered rude
 
12:18 PM
I should get a bunch of SO flaggers to ELU's meta.
 
I'm not saying we should be excessively nice.
 
What a flag fest that would be.
 
Just that "Did you even bother to look at the documentation for UIButton?" is hardly constructive.
 
@TIPS Yeah we are filtering out many of these, but that is not a good example, for sure its not a nice comment! and comments like that often escalates to even worse.
 
@Cerbrus In my opinion, I would call it not constructive also, but a rude flag on that will be totally inappropriate
 
12:19 PM
@Siguza Reconsider please. :)
 
I did this today
The answer you seek lies in the documentationNathanOliver 40 mins ago
 
@TIPS That's not my opinion, haha
That seems to be the consensus
 
@NathanOliver Wow how could you? tsk tsk tsk
 
Is there a tunaki or other java hammer around?
 
user3956566
12:20 PM
@AshishAhujaツ \o
 
@NathanOliver That is constructive.
 
> You are welcome!
 
The other one is just someone being a <redacted>
 
user3956566
@TIPS that's rude
 
12:21 PM
Heh, now this is definitely rude.
 
user3956566
my son would be upset if I spoke to him like that and so would you ;)
 
@Siguza I agree .)
 
This users reputation history seems a bit ambiguous maybe a mod can take a closer look. – Rizier123 Jun 24 at 22:01 helpful
I think I should start to flag more suspicious users :P
 
THis is the funniest one we found, by Tunaki himself
in SOCVFinder, 17 hours ago, by Tunaki
> You said JSON. And you said regex. Now see the contradiction. Finally continue by using a JSON parser.
 
@Yvette Dunno, my threshold for "rude" is pretty high. I differentiate between "blunt" and "rude".
 
user3956566
12:22 PM
@Rizier123 I do that often, it's my paranoid personality that makes me good at picking up suspicious users ;)
 
That's a bit harsh to flag as "offensive/rude"
 
user3956566
@TIPS depends on the society, blunt can = rude in many places
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg I would flag it as not constructive
 
Questions that trigger comments like 'did you even read the doc' are also rude
 
@Yvette (/¯◡ ‿ ◡)/¯ ~ ┻━┻
 
user3956566
12:23 PM
that is what I do for comments like that, they're not frankly rude, but not helpful
 
@Yvette Maah its asking for clarification
 
user3956566
@TIPS well I never
 
> Care to explain why?
 
This is definitely rude too.
 
user3956566
12:23 PM
@PetterFriberg c'mon asking if ... bah can't be bothered
 
@Yvette Seriously? Did you even bother to look at the rude commands definition? :D
Just joking
 
user3956566
@AshishAhujaツ exactly!!! lol
 
@Yvette Well, we removed it from the feed
 
user3956566
@AshishAhujaツ I got that ;)
 
user3956566
ok I'm going back to work, on a Fri night that's how I live sob
 
12:24 PM
cv first pls
make me happy
 
user3956566
ok
 
user3956566
where
 
user3956566
oh there ^^
 
> There is no programming question here. You have an invalid entry in your file.
If this is rude, SOCVR's doing something offensive.
 
user3956566
@TIPS now that's ok
 
user3956566
12:25 PM
ok catch you on next break
 
Sam
@TIPS This isn't tied to SOCVR.
 
Flags SOCVR as hurting people's feelings
@Sam I know, but you guys comment on your close reasons.
 
@TIPS Do you plan on posting every single comment that disagrees with the OP here, now?
 
user3956566
@TIPS flags TIPS for not giving good tips
 
@Yvette :(
 
user3956566
12:26 PM
@Cerbrus yes, yes he does
 
@Cerbrus No, no I don't
 
@TIPS Then don't.
 
@TIPS The problem is the context?, but I removed stuff like that
 
It seemed some users wanted evidence that some SO users like to flag everything.
 
because if it was a clear programming question it could have been rude...
 
12:27 PM
Or at least post a link to the comment instead of a out of context quote.
@TIPS Evidence is easy with out of context quotes.
 
@PetterFriberg That is what I think the OP believed.
Flagging is not constructive in this case.
Much less than commenting, in fact.
 
well even offensive in this case
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg meh two wrongs don't make a right throw buffalo at Petter
 
The comments are so diverse, yet they seem to follow a pattern in my mind. I'm looking forward to this bot @Petter
 
@Yvette I will find a question of yours and pass a comment like that and you will see
 
12:29 PM
@TIPS I think it's been well established that a lot of stuff removed wasn't offensive, and a lot of people tend to... have a very thin skin, to not start swearing :P
 
Yesterday was exactly this case (the one I asked you to flag @Yvette)
The comment above was of this type... the op went bersek in the end was suspened for 7 days
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg sense of evil foreboding vengeance coming my way
 
The irony is that although questions lacking minimal effort are considered outright rude, they are treated very differently than comments...
 
@Siguza Those are simply closed / deleted
 
user3956566
@Siguza two wrong don't make a right, asking a rude question doesn't deserve a rude response throws another buffalo
 
12:31 PM
Not a answer by @Anonymous :stackoverflow.com/questions/…
 
stackoverflow.com/a/38145153/1835379 < That's what @ρяσѕρєяK wanted to link to
 
user3956566
@ρяσѕρєяK no link
 
@Cerbrus Usually not before the asker gets a few answers from FGITW'ers, thus giving them a positive experience...
 
@Yvette No, I will never to this you know I'm to nice, but when I read and classify comments I'm trying to get in the OP's mind, young kid, trying to do his best, everything that is saying that he is stupid or no able is offensive and I see tons of it.
 
@Yvette Not saying we should be rude to them, but merely apply the same strict rules that we apply to comments
 
12:32 PM
@ρяσѕρєяK Yep. Just flag as NAA.
@Cerbrus What? How is it spam?
 
Rude
 
user3956566
@Siguza throws another buffalo - waiting for people to realise how rude I am :D
 
How? It is NAA
 
^Agree
 
It's NAA.
 
12:33 PM
@Cerbrus that's NAA
 
Guys, I didn't get the hint. Can more people please tell me it's not rude?
 
gosh why does everybody feel the need to say it was naa
 
@TIPS She is already running we just need to setup this new model and I need to understand NLP some more : )
 
@Cerbrus Not rude.
 
user3956566
@TimCastelijns because in Charcoal HQ a tpu will be invalidated
 
user3956566
12:34 PM
and it's naa
 
@PraveenKumar rethorical question.
 
user3956566
the feedback we give sd is for charcoal MS
 
user3956566
not SO
 
@Cerbrus :P
 
I am talking about the responses to cerbrus
Its enough if 1 person says it
not 4 people have to, or 3
 
12:35 PM
Frankly, it's RUDE to pile on, like that ;-)
 
Positive effect of all those not-really rude comments removed: I feel much more comfortable flagging crappy content as rude now :D
 
Meanwhile, the answer still exists.
*Sad face*
Oh, gone
 
@Cerbrus how does a wolf sad face look like? I imagine
 
morning
 
@AshishAhujaツ Like this
3
 
12:39 PM
Plop @ryan!
 
user3956566
@TimCastelijns oh yes, I responded to sd, not Cerbrus
 
Hiya ryan
 
@Cerbrus So you were actually like that for a moment.. Then how did you type?
 
@AshishAhujaツ Or like this
 
@AshishAhujaツ He's gonna bite you into pieces...
 
12:40 PM
@AshishAhujaツ Voice control.
 
@Cerbrus I see. I beg you, please don't bite me into pieces as @Praveen said... I don't want to die cries
 
That answer begs even more questions
 
Sam
@Cerbrus Time to memorise a new YT link.
 
@Sam Hah!
 
@Sam I didn't even inspect the link before visiting. Lesson learned.
 
user3956566
12:42 PM
@Cerbrus is usually riding horseback or a mountain bike when he is in here.
 
A wolf on horseback. That sounds ridiculously majestic.
 
@Yvette if you want, you can take over at charcoal. I'm going now
bye o/
 
@PetterFriberg Northern League Penalties?
 
yay
 
@TIPS Typical rude comment coming up "Does google not work for you anymore?" : )
 
12:45 PM
I successfully automated one of the most tedious annoying tasks in our company
 
yay?
 
@ryanyuyu A wolf on a unicorn would be stupendously majestic
 
On dog**** old hardware and even older software
 
@NathanOliver Does it have lasers?
 
Of course
 
12:46 PM
Corrections: "Lasers".
 
Everything is better with lasers
 
@Cerbrus nah. That would make it too awesome and less majestic.
 
@PetterFriberg Rants on meta
 
lol, natural language programming
 
12:46 PM
@Tunaki Just added another reason to my "Why I don't do JS" list
 
That last answer is really terrible though.
 
user3956566
@AshishAhujaツ \o
 
sigh another user flooding the suggested edit queue.
 
@ryan y u no reject?
 
1:01 PM
writing custom "causes harm" message
 
ah
I'd suggest pinging the editor instead, odds are they'll never read that message
 
good idea.
 
@ryanyuyu I asked a meta on that?
 
oh really? link please?
 
@ryanyuyu Yeah my first day on SO : ) meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/313753/… I had no answers : )
see that there is another meta saying always... hence you should have accepted the edit
 
1:07 PM
Ah, I'll see if I can address all the nuances of that. Because the image did not improve the post. Link to image of code vs tiny unreadable embedded image of code is a no improvement IMO.
 
@ryanyuyu Check also the linked meta (it says always!!!), basically I was seeking some better guidance..
 
Yeah, only a score of +1 for that one. So just not enough meta attention.
 
@ryanyuyu Yeah I got fairly low meta attention to... You need a better title : )
 
@AndyK that's not a valid close reason, but the question is too broad because it asks 3 questions.
 
Hi @ryanyuyu everyone has been telling me here this kind of question should be closed ...
 
1:13 PM
actually I take that back. It seems all 3 questions are different aspects of the same question (according to the answer)
@AndyK this one lacks research, but it's reasonably scoped and understandable. I'd downvote but not close.
 
@ryanyuyu fully agree with that
@AndyK those questions usually have good duplicates
 
@ryanyuyu Too-broad may still apply. On SO if the answer for a "yes/no" question is "yes", what we want is also to get the "how". An answer that will flat out say "yes" and stop there is usually not useful. Here the "how" is too broad. (This is not something I'm making up. It's been discussed on Meta, though I don't have a ref at hand.)
 
fair enough
 
@AndyK actually the comment is more about when sending cvs-pls you should indicated a valid close reason (valid close reasons are those that you find in the flag dialog), then people can agree or not as they like..
 
1:31 PM
@ROs is it ok if I invite a user whose suggestion we rejected to discuss it here?
or should I create a separate room?
 
@ryanyuyu Either is fine.
 
Hi @PetterFriberg ah la la la ... la
 
hi @Sardar_Usama. we can discuss your recent edit that I rejected.
 
i'm listening
 
I have no problem with including images for users in their posts. However,
please make sure that the images actually are helpful to have in the post before editing them in.
 
1:36 PM
Good morning!
 
Morning!
 
It's july!
 
In this suggestion, the OP's entire question is made of only 2 images. This is not a helpful question.
The code is not in text form, and the actual problem is really unclear.
 
@ryanyuyu Lesson learnt. btw, don't you think the comments on the other question should be removed?
 
So in this case, embedded an image of code does not improve the question. If anything, embedding it in the questions makes the text of the image harder to read because it is forced inside the post's container
@Sardar_Usama yes, we should manually delete them.
Thanks for listening
 
1:39 PM
Sure thing, I was just trying to help SO
 
Of course. We just wanted to make sure that we explained some of the more subtle aspects of editing.
Again, thanks for listening and being patient.
 
@ryanyuyu you are the first one I met who did not advice a "kill them all" approach also known as the Arnaud Almaric's approach (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnaud_Amalric)
 
no problem, thank you too
 
1:56 PM
meh
he added details of exception as answer :o
 
bye everyone
 
2:35 PM
Could someone (10k) pass me a screenshot of this answer? stackoverflow.com/questions/16836860/…
 
on it
@Ferrybig here you go: i.stack.imgur.com/hWu40.jpg
 
@NathanOliver thx
 
np
@WaiHaLee That was already reported ^^^
 
@NathanOliver Crepes. I thought it was odd it didn't disappear straight away. Sorry for the confusion. :/
 
JAL
2:53 PM
hi all
 
Hi JAL
 
JAL
anyone know what this is asking? Is it looking for SDK integration documentation?
morning Nathan
 
Hi Jal
 
@JAL Feels like a super opinion-based and broad question asking that people who have experience doing what the OP is trying to do chime in with their experience.
More like "how do I write this SOP?" rather than "where can I find SOPs?"
 
@Tips typical example of what we discussed this morning stackoverflow.com/questions/38147307/…
as you see the OP gets fairly upset
 
3:06 PM
Later folks\o
 
has 2 delete votes
 
@Tunaki has been deleted*
 
JAL
3:19 PM
Ugh, this crap was reopened again, even after being closed by a mod... “Unexpected Machine Code” warning from iTunes Connect
 
That current event banner is a new one. Never seen that before.
 
JAL
Yeah Jon added it when he closed the question, pretty cool
 
Too bad that it got reopened over top of a mod
 
JAL
yeah, what can you do
 
@theB eh? That a mod closed it isn't a irreversible decision.
but in this case I am of the view that it should stay closed, we are not damn apple!
 
3:25 PM
damn right, we are waffles!
 
morning! (yes, I'm a bit late today)
 
@Braiam - I'm aware of that. I do however think that if it's diamond closed then there should be a more compelling reason to reopen it than the one that was given.
 
@gunr2171 This is unacceptable.
 
: (
 
Sam
3:29 PM
@gunr2171 Hiya
 
yo
 
Hiya gunr
 
oh, so I'm emailing off my "3 week notice of leaving this job" email. what do I put at the end?
 
right now I have "It has been a pleasure working here." but I feel I need another phrase as well
 
JAL
3:32 PM
@gunr2171 maybe " I'm looking forward to the prospect of working with you again in the future." ?
 
@gunr2171 Thanks for putting up with me?
 
@JAL no
because that would be lying
 
JAL
ha
 
@gunr2171 just put what your heart dictates "I'm going to a job without so many meetings!"
 
: )
> It has been a pleasure working here. I hope you call multiple meetings over my absence.
 
3:34 PM
:)
 
# gunr in his interview #
Interviewer: Why did you want to leave your actual job?
gunr: Sorry to answer your question with one of my own but, do you like having meetings 5 times a day?
Interviewer: I see where you come from
 
yep....
 
@gunr2171 "So long, and thanks for all the fish meetings"
 
JAL
3:44 PM
@gunr2171 you should ask them to add a bounty to their questions in order for you to answer them :)
 
I'd tell you what I'd put on my letter, lol....
Ooooooo! I've got an idea: write your notice in assembly!
 
@gunr2171 how about just "Thanks"? Simplicity, simplicity, simplicity.
 
Yeah, I just kept it simple
 
@ryanyuyu Honestly, I really like, "so long and thanks for all the fish."
 
and it's sent off. Now the countdown timer starts
oh great, these are the people who are going to do an exit interview
not looking forward to that
 
3:50 PM
meh. but you're looking forward to the new job, right?
 
you're required to do the exit interview?
 
@gunr2171 Just don't go. What are they going to do, fire you?
 
@ryanyuyu yes
@blahfunk probably
@theB I'd rather keep on good terms with them
 
look, I already said that if I quit this job, all I am going to do is walk into my boss's office, lay my phone and my key card on his table and walk out...
 
now gunr can have the pleasure of being able to say: that awkward moment when you see an ad in SO, offering the position you currently have
 
3:51 PM
There is no need to give any explanation
 
@blahfunk that is always an option, but good luck using your previous employer as a reference
 
Exit interviewers are people too.
 
I have no intentions of using my BOSS as a reference. Other ppl in my department or others in the administration, no issues, and even if I just walked out like that I bet I can still get a few good references here
 
@blahfunk in my country you don't get the pleasure to do that... jobs are freakishly hard to get if you don't get a very influential insider
 
the nice thing about being a developer for a living is that a great reference is just your code itself. Bring working examples to job interviews...
 
3:53 PM
It's even easier when your former company has a long-standing policy that employees are not allowed to give references.
 
developers are in such high demand here, really if I was willing to move (again), then I could probably double my income, but I promised my daughter I wouldn't move again until after her and my son have moved out of the house (another 10 years or so)
 
hello all
 
Hi!
 
@TrolldéMage hiya.
 
hello
 
3:58 PM
@EricD plopitty plop
 
@AshishAhujaツ Plop!
 
i just landed in San Francisco airport
 

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