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7:01 PM
hey @rene
 
Sam
hey @magisch
 
hey @Sam
I found a friend for rene
 
Plop @sam, @mag
 
Awww
 
7:03 PM
omg did you hack @rene's selfie library
 
@ryanyuyu I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
Sam
@TylerH But rene's petals are white.
 
@TylerH I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@Sam It's just the lighting
Looks like rene was under incandescent lighting for that pic
 
Sam
ofc
 
7:05 PM
or this is rene's wife
 
ryanyuyu passed a audit!
 
Irony at its finest: a room dedicated to moderation has a very low signal to noise ratio.
 
Sam
Doesn't every chat room have a low SnR?
 
And there is already a silly hats room for the most non-senses....
 
Sam
C# and JS are prime examples.
 
7:15 PM
Who said that are good examples?
 
@Sam Most chat rooms aren't dedicated to moderational tasks.
 
I'm not sure what is going on with @hichris123 but he either is a bit disappointed, expected more (or less) from us, hates us, loves us but hasn't decided yet what the correct call to action is nor what his position is.
 
Sam
@hichris123 And? We're still a chat room. This ain't meta.
 
@rene I guess you could say I'm a bit disappointed in the "noise of pointlessness" from this room. Trying to find a serious discussion in here takes quite a bit of work...
 
Not impressed with my antropomorphic flower puns?
:(
 
7:20 PM
Think of us as a volunteer fire department
We show up when there's stuff going down, and we organize a few moderation sessions
 
@Magisch Unfortunately not.
 
@hichris123 yes, we might have a balance issue but I'm not there yet to make any changes
 
Sam
@hichris123 Please elaborate.
 
@ryanyuyu ... and then the rest of the time is wasted making funnies and playing around. Not all fun is evil, but there definitely should be a balance.
 
I think there need to be some fun for all, moderation is a lot of solo work
 
7:25 PM
I see this room more as a bullshit sifters (tm) support group
Like the anonymous alcoholics: The anonymous close voters
 
I personally do not write many chat message (I'm rather boring), but it does not bother me that the guys have some fun while I'm studying other issues or searching questions close, or just waiting for a sd message
 
Sam
@hichris123 So how would you draw the line?
 
so I agree with ryanyuyu fire brigade comment
 
@hichris123 When we're on standby, why not have fun? Despite what some of our ROs claim, we don't actually hate fun (please don't kick me).
 
@hichris123 sure, I'm looking for balance and I think we manage that by stopping the noise once there is a serious dicussion going on but I admit if you drop in this room at certain times you're lost for 5 minutes
 
7:28 PM
And again, everyone is free to ask for a conversation to be taken to the Ministry of Silly Hats if one feels it's noisy. Hatman always provide good insights.
 
That room could us some more promotion
 
Sam
^
 
^^^ that has happened. Especially when actual moderation talk is going on.
 
That wil also help in @hichris123's concern about the noise
 
Or, ROs could move entire off-topic stuff to the Ministry. Not such they want to janitor that though.
Like, "okay train iz broken moving to deh Ministry of dem hats"
 
7:30 PM
I will say that the first time I visited this room, I asked a moderation question. And the room almost instantly snapped back on-topic to help. So in that regard, everything worked perfectly.
 
@Sam When your whole screen is filled with jokes, it's probably time to move on.
 
@Kyll I'm not the Chief of Moving Message
 
@hichris123 So wait, are we talking about this room or Meta?
 
Sam
@Kyll This room.
 
Right.
 
7:32 PM
I more brought this up because at the time, my screen was filled with "Hello!", flower jokes, and one cv-pls.
Kinda sad for a room that "is for the weekly close events, discussion(s) about reviewing, and coordination of site-wide cleanup efforts."
 
Yeah, the trains go a bit to far now and then
 
Meh. If people want to have fun, I don't see a reason to stop them. Remember the early Charcoal days?
 
But there is a balance @Undo
 
Now, if there's actually something more important happening, or other people are trying to have a serious conversation, sure, shut it down
 
@Undo Yeah, and that was... pretty noisy.
 
7:34 PM
Lets just fill the whole room with possibile duplicate : )
 
@hichris123 to be fair, we've tried to cut down on spamming the room with cv-pls that aren't actually high priority.
 
Sam
@Undo Which we do.
 
@PetterFriberg Her majesty shall be the solution
 
And @hichris123 wants to do things proper, is seeking assistance in a room he trust and then is met with a transcript full of noise
 
Better or worse than a dead one?
 
7:36 PM
@ryanyuyu to be replaced with hello trains ...
 
@hichris123 I've always found it similar to the TL... sometimes stuff goes on that isn't moderation related, but it tends to snap back when required. I think the balance is generally well-rounded. (Of course - it does have extremities of being plain boring to being a bit "too much fun" - but that's generally life)
 
@hichris123 I don't think that's sad at all
 
I'd just caution that you only be strict on this stuff when you need to. I consider TL to be a healthy room, and it's easy to fill my 1440p monitor with a decidedly not-moderation-related conversation. That does help with community building
Now, if someone has a Real Problem to talk about, 99% of the time the conversation about whatever else stops fairly quickly... and you have a bunch of people who were talking about something else who can now help with a Real Problem
That's a Good Thing
 
@rene ah I see your point. If I/we need to talk less here, just let us know. But half of the reason I still keep up with the room is because of the silliness.
 
@Undo that's kind of what I was saying but which you've put much more eloquently and explicitly :)
 
7:39 PM
Eloquent explicit dog > Ninja dog
 
@ryanyuyu that is the balance we are looking for.
 
I think this discussion is good example
 
and then the only message to get starred is silly. Really helping our case.
 
Sam
This is why we use pins...
 
If people with close votes and moderation drive keep coming back because of cat pictures... by all means, don't stifle the cat pictures.
 
7:42 PM
bbl
 
Sam
Cya
 
o/
 
The point is this: I refuse to spend every evening writing down one rule after another and subsequently tell people here to follow those rules. The main thing should be moderation. Venting a bit is OK and best done with some fun/puns but do I really have to ask people if yet another Plop/hello train is needed/warranted?
I love how I can kill a good conversation.
That might be useful when next wednesday chat moderation is discussed in the Town hall
 
MSE town hall?
 
yep
 
7:51 PM
Ugh. The first one was waaaaaaay too hectic for me. Has it gotten better?
 
we will find out but yes, I couldn't do much in that event
Hé @Rizier123 do you need help with github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/… ?
 
@rene Huh? You can edit/change it if you want. I just tried to start with something.
 
OK, we will take it from there then.
@All Please have a look at our new to be SOCVR Blog/FAQ. Please help out by moving and re-arranging our current content. Pull Requests welcome
7
 
8:08 PM
@rene quick question. If I decide to submit a change to an existing post, do I update the title to the current date? Or leave the original creation date and just let source control (git) handle that?
 
@ryanyuyu I would say let git handle that for now
 
@rene Yes please!
Somewhat doubt this TH will be as 'bad' as last one, but it'll still be hectic
 
I didn't expect that my topic would be chosen on the first place
But I'm afraid I will not be able to participate much, if at all, given the time I need to think, formulate and type a response, based on what I read ...
 
@Tunaki I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
8:36 PM
@rene is it at a decent hour?
because IIRC the last one was in the middle of the day...
 
@TylerH it is the same time IIRC, 21:00 CET so that is 19:00 UTC?
Or is it one hour difference?
 
As long as they don't advertise it then I think it will be OK
 
I closed this but I think I did wrong @rene can you please check it out stackoverflow.com/questions/37604065/…
 
8:45 PM
@PetterFriberg yeah, that question is OK
 
I have already voted to reopen, but I will send an reopen request
 
I also voted to re-open
 
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
rene passed a audit!
 
@rene You've reviewed 40 posts today (of which 3 were audits), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 11 minutes and 31 seconds, averaging to a review every 17 seconds.
 
9:01 PM
waffles
 
You better click the [delete] link under your post — rene 2 mins ago
I'll give 'em a little help
 
Oh, OK
thx
I'm out for the night, cya
 
Sam
Cya
 
9:17 PM
Cya
 
night o/
 
@QPaysTaxes Uh, Data Explorer on... like, Anime, perhaps?
Worldbuilding and RPG also come to mind
 
what's wrong with using the transcript?
 
Sam
@QPaysTaxes You'll have to scrape it yourself.
It's possible to get the raw messages.
No, via scraping. Just GET http://chat.stackoverflow.com/message/{messageID}?plain=true
Kind of.
In JS, you can do something similar to this.
 
9:33 PM
@Sam not enough promises
 
Sam
@TylerH I didn't write it. :p
 
@Undo lol
I like where your head's at
 
Why did that question jump from -11 to -9 right before being deleted?
 
people removing their downvotes?
 
@TylerH why would they have done that?
 
9:39 PM
To get their votes back for the day I suppose
I dunno if that's what happened, I'm just guessing
It could have been other people upvoting, too
I don't even know what question you're talking about. I can't see it now since it's deleted and I'm still 308 rep shy of 10k
 
Bed time cya
 
Sam
Cya
 
Night @Petter
 
@TylerH there are no upvotes, just +0/-9
 
Sam
Have fun
 
9:49 PM
I submitted a pull request to the SOCVR website, updating the FAQ to the revision a few weeks ago. If I messed anything up, please let me know.
 
You're missing the clause that lets us burn the bots at the stake every Friday afternoon
...which I swear is a real thing
 
@TylerH I just copied and pasted from the other Github repo...
@Clo next tags
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@NobodyNada The next 3 tags are: 37, 30, 29
 
@NobodyNada I was only joking :-)
 
@TylerH I know
I sometimes like to reply to jokes as if they were serious, but sometimes that doesn't work so well :)
 
10:00 PM
@NobodyNada I imagine it doesn't ever work well
 
Well, sometimes its funny, sometimes its annoying, and sometimes its confusing.
 
typically when one self deprecates themselves they do it in a funny manner :-P
> thanks in advice
Haven't heard that one before
 
how on earth do people come up with those?
 
10:29 PM
Why did Closey not catch any of my reviews?
@Clo help
 
This is a chat bot for the SO Close Vote Reviewers chat room, developed by the SOCVR developers. For more information see the github page. Reply with commands to see a list of commands.
 
@Clo commands
 
@NobodyNada Here is a list of commands you have permission to run:
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current tag - Get the tag that has the most amount of manageable close queue items from the SEDE query.
help - Prints info about this software.
membership - Shows a list of all permission groups, and the members in those permission groups.
my audit stats - Shows stats about your recorded audits.
 
@Clo my membership
 
@NobodyNada Current users in permission groups:
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@NobodyNada You are in the Reviewer group.
 
10:31 PM
@Clo opt out
 
@NobodyNada You have opted-out of tracking, and will remain this way until you run opt in.
 
@Clo opt in
 
@NobodyNada You have opted-in to tracking, and will remain this way until you run opt out.
@NobodyNada I can't produce any stats for you. Your associated tracker could not be found.
 
@gunr2171 @Sam ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(That happened when I tried to run "my stats full")
 
You shouldn't have removed your tracker then. It was implanted in your calf for a reason.
 
Sam
10:34 PM
@NobodyNada Did you review anything today?
 
Yes, 40 items
1 was an audit
 
Sam
Hmm
@clo remove 3476191 from reviewer
 
@Sam Sorry, I don't understand that. Maybe you meant remove [user id] from [group name].
 
Was it because I tried to do opt out immediately followed by opt in?
@Closey what?
that's what he typed...
 
Sam
Uh
 
10:36 PM
@Clo alive
 
@NobodyNada I'm alive and kicking!
 
Sam
@NobodyNada It's possible
 
@Clo remove 3476191 from reviewer
 
@NobodyNada I've removed NobodyNada from the Reviewer group.
 
Sam
brb, I'll sort this out in a min
 
10:37 PM
@Clo request permission to reviewer
 
@NobodyNada I've created request #7 to get you in the Reviewer group.
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@NobodyNada I think I'm waiting on Sam
 
Sam
back
 
welcome back
 
Sam
@Clo approve request 7
 
10:48 PM
@Sam @NobodyNada has been added to the Reviewer group.
 
Sam
Thanks
@gunr2171 I'm still waiting for the DB to be updated. :)
(I think.)
 
what, for deleted audits?
 
Sam
Yeah
 
yeah.....
I would love some free time
 
Sam
Don't worry about it
There aren't any deadlines.
 
Rob
11:06 PM
Morning all
 
evening!
 
Sam
Hiya
 
11:27 PM
are you using javascript?
that would certainly explain it
 
Closed > 9 days, > 9 days without edits, <0 score
np :D
Is it badly explained, and asking the OP for more info useless because they don't understand it either? If that, then I'd vote unclear or OT-MCVE
too broad
oh and typedef to declare a variable? I've seen some crazy things, but I have to say I've never seen that before.
Well, at least you know they didn't just copy-paste together some insane solution. They definitely brewed that crazy themselves.
I'm not one to talk though, I showed someone how they could abuse the preprocessor using the token-pasting operator rather than writing a template function.
Worse: #define BADIDEA(t, s, f) { ##t[] val = s; ##f << val << endl; } called with BADIDEA(WCHAR, L"Some String", wcout) I didn't actually answer the question (all in comments) but I did make this gist
I did also say to never do that. never never never.
The MS compiler accepts any valid non-whitespace token as the first token in the paste so it pastes the ##t onto the first {
 

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