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2:00 PM
it will be deleted anyway. No thanks for bothering to review
 
So the following goes for everybody:
 
Plop!
 
Ian
No, that is not my intention. I understand that this chat is mainly for the close vote review and some mods are just happen to be present here. Thus, I take the opportunity to present my case - since I thought Meta is for bigger scale, as long as I could get help without disturbing more community, it should be OK - or so I thought.
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW no harm, but you were the 3rd reviewer rejecting anyway
 
Ian
I was unaware if that is not the case...
 
user3956566
2:01 PM
@Floern I wasn't when I was reviewing it, or I would've rejected it. The other reviews must've been during my edit.
 
user3956566
I'm not a moron
 
user3956566
Leaving chat. I'm too serious atm
 
DO NOT ping moderators / employees for them to look at something. Meta and moderator flags are the main way to communicate. This does not mean you shouldn't do it at all but pinging them out of context is not appropriate. Any messages failing to do that will be moved to Trash. If it continues, kicking will be considered.
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Umm... not to mention it was either nearly midnight or early hours of the morning for everyone pinged - so were unlikely to get a response for hours anyway - while using mod flags/meta - would have got the attention of mods that were active during those hours...
 
Ian
OK, I honestly was not aware of that. This is the excerpt from the chat earlier: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/29570109#29570109 I thought Meta was for bigger scale and Ping was for minor scale. I got it the other way round... My apologize about that....
 
2:09 PM
It's okay @Ian. Now we're all aware of it :).
Oh hi @Jon o/ some tea? :D
 
Ian
@Tunaki OK, I note that. Thanks for the correction..
 
\o @Tunaki Is it possible for a camomile tea please? Still iffy tummy... :(
 
Sure. @Kyll, you're on tea-duty this week-end. Jon is waiting.
 
Ian
@JonClements oh, and I didn't include you in my previous Ping... What will happen to the moderator when they are Ping in the chat actually? How will it differ from mod flag?
 
Kinda wanting to throw a 418 right now
/me prepares soothing tea for Jon
Tea iz ready. If you want waffles, ask @Tuna.
 
2:20 PM
@Ian Well... if we're not about - it'll go in our global inbox - which we might not get around to looking at - or maybe just ignore if we don't have time to read it, check context, and want to come into chat to discuss it... a mod flag will go into a queue and will be available to every mod until its handled - thus it won't slip by unnoticed and has more chance of being acted on
 
@JeffreyBosboom That's a fair point. But usually if it's not handled in this room, it doesn't need immediate attention. If it's spam/offensive, it's usually deleted within 5 minutes.
(or at least that's what I've noticed)
 
Ian
@JonClements OK... mod flag can be raised on a post, right (the last item on flag choice)? How do we raise Mod flag for the case like I am... chat post in its bottom right can only be flagged as spam/inappropriate/offensive... How do we convey mod flag to moderator? Through the post?
 
@Ian you can raise custom flags in chat - but that's not what you want - it had nothing to do with the chat system... flag the post you failed the review with the "other" reason
(that also means we've got your flag about it, immediate access to the post and its review/audit history handy to evaluate your flag)
@Kyll Lovely - much enjoying - ty!
 
Ian
@JonClements ah, I see... flag the post itself with custom message. Thanks for the clarification!
 
2:49 PM
Hi, I have smallish list of horrible questions than need to be closed
 
Hi again \o
What's with all these one-boxes? I thought I came somewhere else :|
 
@ryanyuyu I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@DalijaPrasnikar please prefix your close requests with [tag:cv-pls]
 
@Floern OK, thanks for the tip
 
pp_
@BhargavRao there is a Python duplicate waiting for your attention
It already has 4 answers
 
2:54 PM
@pp_ Lol, I've voted that as tb a few mins ago
 
pp_
It's unclear, too
 
Sigh, If not for the one-boxes; I would have caught that. :(
 
Jon the sneaky ninja mod :P
 
Thanks Jon! Still lurking around with that stomach bug of yours I see
 
3:01 PM
and one more to see if I have learned something :)
 
Oh Jon get well soon:(
 
@Adriaan what can I say - I'm dedicated? :p
 
we always give our puppy gastrointestinal kibbles and pro-biotics for a bad tummy:P
 
I probably shouldn't have gone for curry the other night :p
 
@DalijaPrasnikar Already better, but if you look at some cv-pls above you see, that we always include a reason. So we don't just say "close that", but rather "this is unclear".
 
3:03 PM
Now you'll never know what makes you sick: the germs or the quality of posts you encounter on SO.
or the curry:P
 
@JonClements You're so stereotypical. I take it you're watching snooker along with that tea of yours, and going for a luke-warm lager afterwards?
 
Brits watch snooker?
 
(I am actually watching snooker, though whilst drinking coffee)
 
@Rizier123 OK
 
@JonClements What happened? Did you visit the doctor vet?
 
3:05 PM
@BhargavRao oh - just a stomach bug that's doing the rounds - nothing bad... just staying hydrated and close to the toilet :)
 
@JonClements Take a lot of rest! Get well soon :-)
 
Not too much rest though, we need your mighty powers:P
 
Hiya @Andras and @Bhargav didn't see you arrive
 
@Tunaki Hiya \o
 
@Tunaki ummm... maybe they've been hanging around me too long :p
 
3:11 PM
hiding in the bushes hmm
 
@Tunaki hey
have you seen the afterlife of our tagging teenager from yesterday?
I forgot to ping you when he came back (tagging stuff)
 
@AndrasDeak you wrote quite the monologue
 
@AndrasDeak I read the transcript yes. I always read the transcript :p
you can't hide something from me, mwahahahahaha
 
cool, I was anticipating your excessive nosiness blind paranoia as a RO curiosity
 
3:18 PM
stackoverflow.com/q/36232175/3933332 new user question; you will never know if the answer your wrote solved their problem, they are just gone.
 
@Rizier123 or get an accept in 8 months, when they return to ask another question
 
Wow, TIL the syntax for moderator super ping
 
@BhargavRao lol... :)
 
you mean @-modname-*flashes-batlight*?
 
3:27 PM
@JonClements It's hard for the normal folks to find that out :/
 
we're normal?
 
@AndrasDeak mods have an @@ syntax - means we can ping anyone in chat without them having been in chat
 
oooh, I thought pinging mods
where instead it's pinging by mods
 
That is convenient indeed
 
so it's not a good sign when I see @@Andras:D
 
3:28 PM
@JonClements We can do the same and only need one "at" after some time they just get a notification.
 
I take it the @@ syntax forces that room to the front of your screen, blacking out everything else and having a wailing siren across the speakers?
 
@@1252759@stackoverflow.com
 
@Adriaan I guess it is wired directly into your brain.
 
*spy satellite rearrenges panels to aim at Bhargav*
 
@JonClements Wait, you need the later half also, or not?
 
3:30 PM
@BhargavRao only if you want to ping across sites: ref: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/210305/… and meta.stackexchange.com/a/119114/191185
 
whoah whoah whoah
that's far out, maaaan:P
> But mortals like us are left powerless behind a sound-proof glass window to stare at the person we want to reach soooooooo badly.
:D
 
@JonClements sigh, I always search the wrong meta :(
 
@Tunaki obviously
I like turtles
 
Ian
@Tunaki absolutely
 
3:32 PM
@Tunaki Link this to them please
I want to avoid ganging up:P
see you later
 
Cya
 
Ciao
> Chat user, I summon thee! A "call me maybe" chat function available to moderators
 
> not being able to summon the dead
 
Undo has started reviewing!
 
any ideas why this flag was declined? stackoverflow.com/a/36235681/559745
 
3:46 PM
Flagged as NAA or VLQ?
 
VLQ
 
@Floern mine was declined as well (VLQ also)
 
Hmmmmmm
 
it does answer the question, but that's Too Broad and the answer's basically link only. "Do this according to tutorial [website A], Do that according to tutorial [website B], use Google for the rest" <- link only + LMGTFY
 
> use Google for the rest
 
3:49 PM
@Floern I think I would have fallen on that one also. I think it is VLQ yeah. Although perhaps you could argue that the link contains PDO which is an answer...
 
are downvoted closed questions with answers auto-deleted after some time?
 
Yep with some rules
 
> "most people don't even acknowledge that [Java] exists"
True that
 
Blame that guy now ^ for not being able to read the comments :)
 
4:08 PM
 
4:53 PM
@PetterFriberg I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
Petter Friberg passed a audit!
 
There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[guidelines] [opencv] [frontend]"
 
5:32 PM
@Mogs A first attempt at a Meta for NATO enhancements gist.github.com/Tunaki/94e88bf1d523cb366fc2
 
You don't want say that Shog asked specifically for this?
 
Let's just say it would be preferable to document what we're doing.
 
@Tunaki can't wait until I reach 10k
 
@Tunaki "everytime I want to do perform a" should be "every time I want to perform a"
(hope you don't mind my criticism)
 
Please do critique
 
5:38 PM
@Tunaki Shog's not unreasonable. I think there's just been a lot of "it doesn't work like we want it" and nothing concrete to consider. Writing stuff up clearly and concisely, offering the benefits of why it should happen, what the benefits are (perhaps even acknowledging negative possibilities) will get you further :p
 
Agree, hence the upcoming Meta ;).
 
prepares popcorn
 
I too am ready for 10k :-P
 
@Tunaki I was refereeing to this "But it would probably involve some substantive improvements to the 10K tools. Some folks have been experimenting with userscripts to make the "late answers" list more useful recently, and I'm interested to hear what they're able to identify when it comes to problems that are being missed in the current /review interface."
 
I need to stop messing around and get 7k more.
 
5:41 PM
@Tunaki the semicolons in your bullet points should really be colons IMO
 
@Tunaki I'd suggest trying to phrase it as: 1) this is a problem we believe exists (here's some evidence), 2) this needs to be addressed because, 3) the benefit of this will be... 4) here's how we're trying to address it, 5) this is what we require to do this....
 
Also instead of providing a sketch of the NATO tool why not just take an actual screenshot?
That'd be way more useful
 
@JonClements Hmm I thought this is what I had already :D. I'll need to expand on why there is a problem but I need to read more as to why the Late Answers review is always empty...
 
@Tunaki low rep requirement + short time in existence I'd say
short time in the sense that both answers get deleted quite fast and questions have a maximum time they can spend in the queue
 
The fact that 1 review is enough to complete it is probably at play.
 
5:49 PM
@Tunaki whut? Only 1? That's less than any other queue
that gives a lot of power to a single reviewer
 
@Tunaki btw, you also see deleted answers
 
@Braiam Yeah and you also see uncensored spam / offensive meta.stackoverflow.com/q/309715/1743880 (which may or may not be normal)
sigh Closey, again.
 
Hola guys.
 
Hiya o/
Oooh I know the perfect example: 11-month old NAA that was Jon'd stackoverflow.com/questions/25753714/… 2 days ago and went through First Post and Late Answers undetected
 
6:08 PM
@Tunaki I would say that you have more of a case if you were to crack down onto FP LA reviewers
 
crack down onto reviewers?
 
yeah
 
what does that mean?
 
ask for a method to make damn sure reviewers do their job right, instead of asking for a "watch the watchers" solution
 
Well, what do you propose? :) I don't see a way out. Audits are supposed to do that but clearly it doesn't work.
 
6:15 PM
maybe for starters ask stats on "fp/la reviews that ended in NAN and were later deleted due flags"
with that data you can then build up your case
 
Hmm. I'll see. I know durron posted the request to raise up the rep limit for an answer to show up in the Late Answers review queue. I'll look at how he did it
 
6:30 PM
old english is a pain... why the heck they used annum?
 
6:45 PM
@Mogs gist.github.com/Tunaki/94e88bf1d523cb366fc2 made edits and it's a lot better now
 
What's with the NATO stuff?
 
@BhargavRao I'm screenshoting comments of yours to frame them.
:p
 
I have my comment ready for the meta post
 
a nice pun I hope?
 
Also you need to define NATO and credit the original creator of acronym :P
 
6:58 PM
:D
 
definitely unclear
 
why would anybody think that's a reasonable question?
why would anybody think that's a question at all?:S
 
@BhargavRao here updated with attribution gist.github.com/Tunaki/94e88bf1d523cb366fc2 :D (and another screenshot)
 
@Tunaki * who came up with it </grammar nazi>
 
7:11 PM
Sorry I thought he was a bot. (corrected)
 
Ugg. which came up with ... sounds awkward
 
and there's NATO already here
otherwise, good job:P
 
If anybody is jobless, enjoy this twitter.com/fjamie013
Kinda ironic that a moderators post is put on hold as off topic. (sorry George :P) — Bhargav Rao yesterday
Sigh, obsolete now
 
Yup.
> Well, have cast 0 "downvote" , here, during time as user at SO.
Huh.
It should be possible to award more downvotes on long code dumps. One extra downvote per page would be good. — Martin James 52 mins ago
@MartinJames I love it ^
 
7:32 PM
@Tunaki I thought about suggesting (pages-1)^10, but I guess that would be unacceptable:)
 
Add another function to the down vote button: scroll down.
meta posts can go like this: Who down voted my post? .... I didn't but I had to scroll a bit
 
@Tunaki I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
Huh. First review stackoverflow.com/q/1046016/1743880 is that really POB? Warning: question is very long
 
Haha! I bet you have. (first sentence)
 
7:43 PM
@Floern Looks like spam. Not sure though.
 
@Floern Quite possibly an actual answer.
 
I think it does answer the question, just the first line is spam
remove that and it's an answer I'd say
 
@Adriaan Self-promotion, yes. Spam - not by SO standards.
 
Wow the site if FULL OF ADS
 
@Mogsdad he does indeed give attribution to himself
 
7:45 PM
@Tunaki MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
(The spammer wanted views)
 
@Adriaan Yes, and the post doesn't exist only to promote.
 
But the code snippet has nothing to do with the link.
It hits googleapis.com.
SPAM SPAM It is a copy-paste
 
I think the point is that the code is used to calculate the duration, and the second link demonstrates its use.
 
Then plagiarism, not spam.
 
7:47 PM
gone
 
Spam+Plagiarism
35 secs ago, by Tunaki
... and Jon'd.
 
Interesting... looks like it had been another sleeper account. 3+ years, no activity at all. Then this answer. stackoverflow.com/users/1819213/user1819213
I was looking before Jon deleted the post - I was the first to look at the profile, and that was their only activity.
Maybe they'd spammed before, and been on a watchlist, though.
 
@Mogsdad Yeah, Can't see the deleted posts there
 
@Mogsdad doesn't now - bbl
 
@BhargavRao But usually, if they'd had deleted posts, somebody would have looked at their profile too. (wild guess on my part)
 
7:53 PM
@Mogsdad The account was Jon'd too, Perhaps the other spam was deleted b4 anyone saw his profile :|
 
Petter Friberg passed a audit!
 
Oh and guys. Please hold off on deleting guidelines questions for now.
 
@Clo alive?
 
@Kyll Still here you guys!
 
@Closey room effectiveness
 
8:02 PM
@PetterFriberg 10 members (0% of this room's able reviewers) have processed 370 review items today, which accounts for 22.42% of all CV reviews today.
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[guidelines]"
 
@Kyll Seeding right now.
 
@Tunaki K, ty. Want some help on that?
 
Sure. Sorting by relevance, 50 posts per page. I'm doing page 1.
 
Let me do page 2 then
 
8:03 PM
1k rep and formats using ```.... facepalm stackoverflow.com/questions/36240230/…
 
@Signal His format is legal as far as Markdown is concerned. That's an issue from the markdown parser. ``` should make a code block
 
@Kyll awhut? Really?
 
On GitHub for example, you specify a language on a code block with ```language
Yeah
 
@Kyll well, that's GitHub markdown. Is that the exact same as that on SO?
 
@Adriaan I'm trying to find the Markdown ref to check that
 
8:07 PM
 
@Adriaan yup, github does that, SO doesn't
 
@Adriaan The official one =p
Looks like it's a GitHub thing, doesn't appear in the ref
 
@Adriaan @Kyll for reference meta.stackexchange.com/questions/125148/… @Signal
 
@Signal I'd reject that edit, you forgot to tag [python] there :P
 
8:08 PM
@Kyll @Signal he self-deleted after someone commented him it was a typo
 
Didn't stay up long :P
 
@rene Nice, ty. Deferred 3 years ago...
 
@Kyll yeah and keep in this in mind: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/238957/…
 
@rene Thanks, I'll check it right after seeding
I think this question is unclear (since it's not a question, rather a blog post) but could get some editing if it has value. Could anyone check?
 
@WaiHaLee I'm using similar comment... we need to stop them...
 
8:19 PM
Okay. First page done. I'm down to 20 CV or so.
 
@Tunaki Still on the second page
 
@PetterFriberg until I read Undo's post I used to be one of those reviewers. I think there needs to be more guidance on the review pages, but at the same time I don't know if people would read it.
 
I always ping the user who posted review comment, I don't know if this is nice, since I dont like to target him (He is leaving comment and this is good)
 
I'd say leaving wrong comments is actively harmful instead. It can draw other people to recommend deletion (thinking, hey look someone thought that, I'll do the same).
 
@Tunaki Agree, but I still prefer people leaving comments..
 
8:26 PM
@pp_ Look again
 
pp_
@BhargavRao You mean my second comment, right?
 
@pp_ Nah, It's clear now
 
pp_
@BhargavRao Not to me, lol.
Seriously, how is this clear now?
 
It is a closure problem
You have to use nonlocal but that is not there in Python2; I am 100% sure there is a highly voted dupe for that
 
@Tuna Page 2 seeded
 
What could possibly go wrong? — BoltClock ♦ Mar 27 '15 at 18:44
 
@Kyll I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
Kyll passed a audit!
 
Closey doesn't notice review starts if it's an audit it seems, my first review was an audit 20 minutes ago
Oh. Okay.
 
@JarrodRoberson you inverted some characters :)
 
8:40 PM
@JarrodRoberson atg tag*
> Why are some properties camelCased instead of CamelCased?
sigh
 
Now we will CamelClose that
 
Tunaki passed an audit!
 
That sounds painful @Tuna
 
And out of votes.
Sigh. @BhargavRao and his punny comments meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/319809/…
 
8:50 PM
What if Hillary really needed help understanding LINQ? What if that is the real Hillary but we are not believing her! Damn, I am off to get an autograph bbl. — Bhargav Rao 7 secs ago
 
@Tuna About this, isn't "designated container area" some memory space? In that case the question would be on-topic, no? It could be rephrased to "Where is my app allowed to write", which seems on-topic. I'm not familiar with that tech though.
 
Kyll passed a audit!
 

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