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12:00 AM
Off to bed too. @KevinGuan Node.js book wise... I'm not so sure actually. I'll try and find a few good resources tomorrow. I mostly learnt by reading the docs ^^
 
Everyone's leaving. So I'm going as well. I don't like the ones remaining.
 
Me neither @Tunaki, that's why I said I was leaving
 
@Raju Comment removed...
 
@Undo rejected
 
Plop!
 
12:01 AM
Thanks
 
@Kyll Ah thanks, bonne nuit!
 
... And Kevin is here.
So time to go!
 
lol
 
Cya all...
 
And crap Kevin woke up
 
12:02 AM
Bye bye @Kevin nice morning :D
 
It's the signal that I'm going to bed waaay too late
 
@Tunaki Bonne nuit :D
 
Bonne nuit!
 
@Kyll Am I looks like a Sleeping Bell ?
And bonne nuit (again)!
Is a question about How can I hack a site off-topic, or just too broad in this case? stackoverflow.com/questions/35880125/…
 
@KevinGuan Generally too broad, often lacking code
not supposed to be here
 
Sam
12:07 AM
he says
 
Sam
12:17 AM
Night guys
 
requesting off-site resources: stackoverflow.com/questions/35879274/…
 
Back, was eating breakfast and you guys closed that one :(
@MillieSmith Please use [tag:cv-pls] when you're sending a CloseVote-Please request. Like above cricket_007 posted one. Also I think you'd like to see our FAQ. And here's a good user-script you can use to auto send the cv-pls when you're voting to close a question.
 
thanks
 
Bunch of pending plagiarism-attributing edits on stackoverflow.com/users/1849664/undo?tab=activity, if you're into that kind of thing ;)
 
12:37 AM
@Undo Reviewing...it's so bad that you don't have 20k :)
 
don't remind me :P
I only need to get... what, 2500 edits approved?
And I'll be sorely disappointed when I hit the 1k cap
 
:P
Try to be a mod then.
 
Hard to do that without 20k :P
 
lol
 
1:20 AM
Breaking up the silence
 
How many "regulars" does this room have?
 
@AlexanderO'Mara Well I think that depends on the definition of "regulars" ;) But maybe as a rule of thumb you could use the SO team members of SOCVR: stackoverflow.com/teams/11/socvr?tab=Members
As a rough number how many regulars there are.
 
Ok, this answer claimed it's 22. meta.stackoverflow.com/a/318503/3155639 (screenshot) Apparently there's going to be an opinion piece on this room coming up.
 
1:35 AM
Good old question: Why do you think / know that all regulars of this room DV the answer?
 
@Rizier123 Because it couldn't possibly be because it's not really an answer.
 
Am I a "regular" of this room in your eyes?
 
I don't know, never really thought about it.
 
@DavidArenburg:
batch012 count=38 cv3,4 is in the beehive for closevote consideration
 
Smokey, what are you doing? stackoverflow.com/q/35881434 caps title?! Where are you smokey?
!!/alive
 
1:47 AM
@Rizier123 Of course
 
Then why aren't you catching that post with caps title?
 
2:07 AM
This question almost needs to be locked because of historical reasons: stackoverflow.com/q/35881566 <- The server must run on PHP 4.3.2/3/4, which is over 14 years old!
 
2:39 AM
Back
 
2:55 AM
Back
@Mogsdad what's new poo?
 
@Tushar New post (there) I think.
 
@Tushar Shorthand for "attracting new low-quality answers". When we see an old, off-topic post, we usually leave it alone. However, if it's "causing harm" (as in this case), we apply the current standards for on-topic-ness.
 
@Mogsdad ok
 
@Tushar Just realized I missed my chance, but what the heck? Not much, what's new poo with you?
Or... Nothing is new. And don't call me "poo".
Man, I need sleep...
 
user3956566
3:25 AM
@pp_ that was the exception to the rule. I wouldn't stay either if it was frequently like that. this is the first event of that kind I've experienced since joining the room
 
user3956566
@pp_ you haven't done anything wrong. So nothing to worry about.
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW no one did anything wrong
 
user3956566
@Drew I really don't want to open the debate again. I was replying to pp_ and that was my mistake obviously.
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Does pp_ still worry about that?
 
Sigh. That's got to mean it's past my bed-time.
 
user3956566
3:29 AM
if there's any ROs about can they trash can my two comments to pp_ above please?
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW it might help if you too wouldn't characterize this room as a group of untrustworthy people
 
I've been saying we need a "Pacific Rim RO"...
 
user3956566
@Drew stop now.
 
@intboolstring Ho!
 
3:31 AM
I have said my peace. And you have clearly said yours
 
user3956566
@Drew Stop it. Take it to meta.
 
I dont need to
 
user3956566
@intboolstring hi :D
 
Rob
..What happened yesterday?
 
user3956566
3:33 AM
@Mogsdad totally agree. I offered, but there would be a number of suitable candidates.
 
@Rob NO MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT YESTERDAY, PLEASE! The transcript is available, as always.
 
user3956566
@Rob I'll get you some links, but please if we can avoid discussing it here
 
@Rob For you and others want to know/discuss see chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/29197531#29197531
 
Here's how to stop discussing it: STOP DISCUSSING IT.
 
user3956566
@Mogsdad he didn't know Mogs, a bit harsh, he was just asking.
 
Rob
3:34 AM
Okay, thanks
 
user3956566
@Mogsdad I agree
 
user3956566
@Tushar thanks
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW The caps weren't for Rob - he was just standing in the line of fire.
 
user3956566
@Mogsdad I understand.. I'm glad you're strong, you'd be a great RO.
 
I'm going to see if I can burn the last of my CVs on the outstanding requests, then call it a night.
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW I only smell strong...
 
user3956566
3:36 AM
@Mogsdad what time zone are you in?
 
user3956566
@Mogsdad ewwwwwwwwwww.. lol
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW EST (UTC -5)
 
user3956566
3:49 AM
@Mogsdad I'm afk for a bit I'll say goodnight to you now :D
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW 'night!
 
user3956566
@Mogsdad It's 2.49pm here.. so 'arvo :D
 
4:01 AM
All out of votes! TTFN!
 
Cya
Should this question be closed as general computing ?
 
@KevinGuan it appears to be code but not shown?
 
@Drew Ah, so it's an object actually.
 
probably just a no mcve issue at the moment
 
4:17 AM
@Drew Well, agreed. But since I don't understand what's he asking, I won't vote.
 
not a great track record with the answers he gets. Even though here for 3 years
Probably just needs to know how to ask questions
@KevinGuan Obj-C possible dupe target
 
4:34 AM
@NathanOliver Why did you protect stackoverflow.com/q/5958991/1849664?
 
@Undo do you have an opinion on this
 
@Drew That looks like it's got a good two or three questions in there.
Too tired to judge duplicates right now.
 
thx
 
4:50 AM
@Drew Ah, seems so. But I'm not so sure, maybe I could ask in comments before vote.
 
@KevinGuan I mainly did the dupe to give the gent a link to look at
 
good morning gentlethems
 
@Drew Ah just saw it. Thanks.
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Morning.
And hey, seems we have an event soon. Who want to join?
 
was there a bot who would say which tag to concentrate on?
 
@Closey next
 
4:59 AM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Hmm...that bot is gone now. I remember that we have to use Stack Exchange Data Explorer to get the tags.
Maybe this query?
 
what happened to closey? it got cv-pls?
 
IIRC that the develops are now trying to get Closey 2.0 works.
 
I'll be working my way through
 
Okay...and anyone knows how to use that query? I have no idea :(
 
I clicked on run. then took the tag with highest posts
 
5:04 AM
But...not lowest tags?
 
right. that's a sort away
 
Ahh, whatever. Just review them as well.
First one is , then , followed by .
I'll ask rene about that later.
 
@davidism are you around for ?
 
user4639281
Just stopped by to post this old answer by Shog that I just found which is extremely relevant to this room:
 
user4639281
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A: Close vote seeding in PHP chat getting out of hand?

Shog9I support the use of chat to coordinate close-voting wholeheartedly - one of the down-sides of the vote-to-close system has always been that questions often don't get closed or re-opened quickly enough. I used IRC for this purpose before chat.SE launched, and chat.SE, with oneboxing and transcrip...

3
 
user4639281
5:18 AM
And with that, I'm off to bed.
 
Night
 
@TinyGiant And wow, a good guide for others who's new to SOCVR (and everyone with >2k should read it before use the power of >2k).
 
user4639281
You get close votes at 3k
 
Hmm...Shog's also talking about the editing.
@TinyGiant Oh, so you're still here?
 
user4639281
5:22 AM
Oh, yeah
 
user4639281
Your ping brought me back
 
I wonder how to get the tags for the event, this query?
@TinyGiant I've tried just run it and get a very long result...how to use it?
 
user4639281
The next 10 tags are 34 29 28 27 26 24 23 22 21 21
2
 
@TinyGiant Ahhhh...so @FélixGagnon-Grenier's correct.
Do you have a user-script to auto generate a message like that, or you typed them manually?
 
user4639281
Copy, paste, regex replace.
 
5:27 AM
Cool
Ah, I think that I shouldn't keep ping you. Good night!
 
user4639281
Replace (^|\d+) with ] \1 [tag:
 
Oh hey that's a really good idea.
 
user4639281
Then kill the first ]
 
user4639281
Alright, I'm going to go watch some TV.
 
Okay, Cya.
 
5:31 AM
@TinyGiant - House of cards season 4 is out :P
 
this guy won't peacefully get out of here, socvr wills it
:p
 
lol
 
lol
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [flask]"
 
user3956566
\o
 
5:35 AM
o/
 
And I faster than Pham this time...wait, he's gone...
I'm missing our little bots now :(
 
lol. I'm so slow. I read the question. open it to read the answers. change the music. remember I'm reviewing something
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier How many posts have you reviewed?
 
5:37 AM
tonight? 7
 
Well, I have reviewed 19. \o/
 
you know, I just got home from a rehearsal, an am in a somewhat relaxed mode. the posts won't get away, I'd hazard
 
:P
@Tiny Seems that your Review Enhancements has a bug when a question in Close Votes has been flagged as dupe. For example this one: stackoverflow.com/review/close/11555427
I'm using the Chrome version by the way.
 
user3956566
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier can you go with a TYPO on this mysql one here stackoverflow.com/q/35872837/1816093
 
5:50 AM
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Maybe not. But NAA.
Link-only.
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan yeh, thanks K
 
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 18 hours to continue reviewing.
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan ditto
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Yeah, I wonder when our bots back :(
 
user3956566
5:59 AM
@KevinGuan which ones?
 
user3956566
I am madly working on a game so I can get onto Ada
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Well, I mean Closey and Pham. I've just noticed that they're so helpful.
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan I know and you love them so :D
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Yes :D
 
user3956566
ok I gotta get back to my game, but am available, if anyone needs me, ping.
 
6:05 AM
Cya Yvette
 
@JonEricson How do you hear complaints from non-users?
 
@AlexanderO'Mara it is never ending stackoverflow.com/q/35848685
the above is for humor, not a close vote
 
it's been both
 
@Drew Ugh, why?
 
cuz they designed that brilliance
 
6:08 AM
@JonEricson And I highly doubt there is any connection between the new users complaining that their questions get closed and the accusations that this room is to blame for all of SO's problems. But if you can give me some data showing # of complaints received from new users about users from SOCVR closing their question erroneously, I'd be happy to stand corrected.
But yes, I'm torn between the fact that these users don't read the close banner and the urge to slap everyone around a bit with a large trout for closing some questions without commenting
 
isn't the close description there in lieu of comment?
 
I especially dislike when people close a question at like, the 20 second mark, because it's too broad or lacking an MCVE, rather than posting a comment asking for clarification or warning that their question is lacking
@FélixGagnon-Grenier You'd think
But the close description also appears after the question is closed
and it's an uphill battle to reopen any question. It's much better if you comment beforehand and give the OP a chance to rectify a mistake
 
@Drew Aren't there like, better free hosts anyway? Like OpenShift?
 
if they're unwilling to do so, or don't do it within a certain time frame, sure, close away
 
OpenShift is nice
a great PaaS
 
user3956566
6:12 AM
@TylerH I like your points.. and an argument for is the reopen queue is small.. so it's not hard for users to get their closed questions reviewed in the reopen queue.
 
user3956566
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I would've thought so.
 
Just came in to see Jon's response. Thanks, btw @JonEricson
 
@TylerH - COuldn't agree more
 
I mean, I understand that close banner appears only after a question has been closed. That seems sufficient to explain why it have been
 
user3956566
@FélixGagnon-Grenier agree
 
6:14 AM
an op then doing an edit to address those banners will see it's question automatically placed in the reopen queue
 
user3956566
And there are comments left with reasons, whilst the question is being closed.
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier - The actual problem comes when people start DV / CVing a post and it doesn't get closed. It leaves the OP in a limbo - what did I do wrong?
 
which Tyler gracefully concludes by
> and it's an uphill battle to reopen any question. It's much better if you comment beforehand and give the OP a chance to rectify a mistake
 
^
 
user3956566
This room does a lot of good, and we need to gain community faith and trust.
 
user3956566
6:16 AM
hm.. will write a meta post over the next day.
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW - Meta post for / on
?
 
user3956566
the sentence above the meta post.
 
user3956566
I need to go and gather the meta links about this room..
 
user3956566
anyway can't now, must push to git and continue working
 
user3956566
ping me if you need me (unlikely I know :D)
 
6:17 AM
push all teh things
 
What to do with questions like this?: stackoverflow.com/questions/35884307/…
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW user posting spam . We need you to flag for mod attention
 
user3956566
@TheLostMind :D
 
user3956566
@AlexanderO'Mara maybe lack of MVC
 
6:20 AM
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Er, I mean they have two questions actually about the same issue.
 
user3956566
@AlexanderO'Mara hm we either close it as a dup and then delete is, or custom mod flag if the user keeps doing it. I suggest leaving a comment also.
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW I left some comments, looks like they might edit their old question instead.
Anyhow, GTG, signing off.
 
user3956566
@AlexanderO'Mara yeh, no harm as it has no answers. As long as they are not identical. Bye \o
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW mvc. interesting typo. yeah, probably a good model-view-controller thingy would have done the trick :p
 
user3956566
@FélixGagnon-Grenier yeh! I never remember the letters LOLOL was hoping to slip through unseen with that! yeh, you can tell I've worked on a lot of asp.net.mvc projects LOL
 
6:26 AM
hehe
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier serverfault? stackoverflow.com/q/35825338/1816093
 
yeah, definitely
going for a late beer just before the bar closes, cya la'ers for more trimming.
 
7:19 AM
Some users still try to close spam
 
Back, hey T-Man
 
that's my name
 
I know
 
@TimCastelijns I didn't say it's mine
 
7:31 AM
Good. Cause it's MINEEEE
 
Spammers are learning
 
Oh hey, they're now understand put spaces in the link.
But our little unicorn is still the best, right Smokey?
!!/blame
 
@KevinGuan It's Félix Gagnon-Grenier's fault.
 
Not me this time \o/
 
Ian
!!/blame
 
7:38 AM
@Ian It's Tim Castelijns's fault.
 
Ian
interesting... :D
 
@Ian Hey, are you new to SOCVR? :)
 
Ian
@KevinGuan ah, yes. I am new. :)
So I do not know what commands can be replied by SD
I know some thought
 
Read the docs
 
Ian
@TimCastelijns you mean here: stackoverflow.com/teams/11/socvr ?
 
7:41 AM
@Ian So I think that maybe I'd like to check our FAQ at the first. If you'd like to know how many commands does Smokey have, here's the commands wiki of it.
 
No at smokey's site
 
@TimCastelijns Ninja'd
@SmokeDetector help please
!!/help
 
@KevinGuan I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and offensive posts on the network and posts alerts to chat. A command list is available here.
 
Morning all
 
Morning
 
Ian
7:42 AM
@KevinGuan OK, I will take time to read them...
 
@Ian Relax, they're really very helpful :D
 
The command list is incomplete, it forgets naa and naa- for answers that are not spam, and are normal not an answer
 
@Ferrybig What? We already have naa command?
@ProgramFOX About my above question? ^^
 
@KevinGuan Yes
 
Ian
!!/whoami
 
7:45 AM
@Ian My id for this room is 3735529.
 
Ian
hoho... cool.. :D
 
@Ian Yeah :P
 
naa should only be used for answers that are really not an answer, and when there is no change of salvage because it adds the post to the ignored list, suppressing any future reports
 
@Ferrybig Ah, understand. @rene
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW What will that meta-post be about?
 
7:49 AM
pined
 
@TimCastelijns Wrong?
 
@KevinGuan please explain what you want me to do?
 
@TimCastelijns Ahh...it should be pinned...
@rene Hmm...please update this message:
Feb 29 at 12:51, by rene
SPAM deleted? Use sd gone (postgone is no longer needed, ). Not SPAM? Use sd f and sd remove.
As what Ferrybig said, naa command is a thing now.
 
@SmokeDetector no I din't do anything wrong. I promise.
 
About that command, see the message above my request.
 
7:52 AM
So - should be added after the command to suppress its output
 
@Ferrybig Yeah, I agree.
 
SPAM deleted? Use sd gone. Not SPAM? Use sd f and sd remove. Not an answer? Use sd naa-.
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@KevinGuan yeah, that was also advice given by Jon Ericson
Hmm, that post is the root cause of the meta posts earlier @Ferrybig I'm not sure if I want this room also to get involved it its closure. Let the rest of the community handle it would be my advice
 
Can you delete my message than? Its to late for me to delete
 
1 message moved to Trash
@Ferrybig done, sorry
 
@rene Err...a question: Do you read all the messages posted before you entered this room?
 
8:03 AM
Yes, I seem to be held responsible for what happens here. That comes with the price that I have to read all the things....
 
Wow, that changes my view again.
@user2314737 Is spam the close reason?
 
> Url in title
----------
Title - Position 1-25: http://www.cssplayer.com
 
Hmm...that site isn't in blacklist.
 
could or couldn't ... let's close
 
@user2314737 Let's close that, and delete it.
 
8:07 AM
@KevinGuan I voted close as off-topic to be on the safe side
 
Ian
What does this mean? !!/report. This command posts a message about the user in all applicable rooms. Note that this command does NOT auto-TPU anything, for various reasons.
"About the user in all applicable rooms"?
 
@user2314737 Yeah so I'd suggest put the close reason there, and post could be spam? as another message below your request.
 
@Ian This isn't the only room where smoke detector posts messages, it also posts them in other channels, It means that it will broadcast the manual message to all rooms for the target website
 
sigh, got Ninja'd
 
Ninja's, you seem them everywhere
 
Ian
8:11 AM
@Ferrybig I see.. so it is essentially a broadcast command...
 
Morning!
 
@KevinGuan alright
 
@JanGreve Morning
 
Ian
@JanGreve Hi
 
@JanGreve Morning
@Ferrybig Wait, !!/report doesn't auto-TPU anymore?
 
8:13 AM
If you do for example a !!/report for stackoverflow, it will send a message in this channel, in the Charcoal HQ and in the Tavern.
 
@Ian yes, it used in cases where Smokey didn't catch the spam. But it has to be used only if 100% sure it is spam. Often users first check here if a manual report is warranted
@KevinGuan yes it does
afk, commute
 
@rene But from the Commands wiki:
> Note that this command does NOT auto-TPU anything, for various reasons.
 
@KevinGuan It only blacklists the user if he isn't blacklisted, it doesn't automatically tp the post, and this is usually done later via the metasmoke interface, so there are no unmarked posts. tp only has a effect on the online metasmoke dashboard, so this isn't a problem
 
@Ferrybig Hmm...@Undo IIRC that without a tp mark, the /user page on metasmoke doesn't work right?
 
Source for the !!/report command that shows it only blacklists the user
 
8:17 AM
Glad that I know Python
 
Even people who don't know python can read python lol
 
@KevinGuan The tp doesn't have to come from this chat, it can also come from other chat channels such as the Charcoal HQ, or the metasmoke interface (yes, it allows you to mark posts as true positive later on) At the moment, there are 0 posts WITHOUT any kind of feedback
 
@Ferrybig Huh, that sounds good.
afk for lunch (or dinner, it's 4 PM anyway)
 
@KevinGuan We had to spend some time with a few members of the charcoal HQ to bring that number down to 0 from 6000, it took a few hours
 
user3956566
@rene the responsibility needs to be shared
 
8:29 AM
Plop!
 
Plop!
 
Morning y'all!
 
Urgh, forgot my power cord
 
hello sir
 
Plop Tim, I won't stay long since my laptop battery is toast
 
8:34 AM
hi kyll, my previous hello was to kayess
 
Hello @Tim
@Kyll hehe no hello-to-you, in case of any FoxPro programmers here: USE @TimCastelijns IN 0 EXCLUSIVE
I guess rene will get it :p
 
Plop @kayess =p
 
Plop \o
 
I see my name, and I see "exclusive", I'm satisfied
 
@TimCastelijns This tells that you never met your usually dying compound indexes :p
Plot twist: a burned FoxPro 6 book lies on the ground next to @Tim
 
8:39 AM
hides the matches
 
Do I flag this as too broad, or just leave it at a downvote? stackoverflow.com/questions/35886634/…
 
or that of course
 
cba to check if it's on topic there
 
I'm on the fence since resource measuring and scaling is something that is part of the software engineering package...
but just generalizing as if all web applications have the same metrics is not
(and good morning)
 
8:44 AM
Hiya o/
 
Plop @Tunaki! And good bye, I forgot my power cord and my battery is already dead. See ya later!
 
Cya o/
 
I'm leaving it, its a pretty crappy question and we don't shovel crap to other sites :)
 
Back
 
Darn, Kevis is here, let's hide
 
8:51 AM
Good, then I can burn this room.
Mods drunk or I was really wrong here and here? About this: i.stack.imgur.com/dRFWR.png
And afk again, @Tuna now you can unhide yourself.
 
Great, the corner was a bit crowded
 
@Tuna \o
 
@kayess o/
 

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