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9:00 PM
@DavidG Nice pool of questions to sharpen your hammer stackoverflow.com/search?q=[close]+[c%23]+closed%3Ano
 
^Is a complete mess :\
 
@Rizier123 Let's close some PHP shall we stackoverflow.com/search?q=[close]+[php]+closed%3Ano
 
@Tunaki No fun for me stackoverflow.com/…
 
Bye guys, I will hit the bed now o/
 
Cya
 
9:04 PM
cyA
 
cYa
 
Sam
CYA
 
pp_
cya
 
CyA
 
There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[close] [turtle]"
 
JAL
Interesting, Jarrod's answer was moved from another question, and it was unlocked while the rest of the post was locked
 
Note: that doesn't mean head back there and start posting lots of comments
 
oh lord let it end
2
 
ok, catapulting to bed! good night boys!
 
night!
 
9:22 PM
night!
 
night!
 
pp_
Night!
 
Sam
Night!
 
night!
 
holy smoks..
 
Sam
9:26 PM
:29212169 He's got it all wrong. It's "Deez Wafflez".
 
@drew i fully agree that it was confusing, but the user in question did not need to be a sarcastic ass about it, and he regularly is an ass in the c and c++ tags (along with a standards thumper, a close cousin of the bible thumper).
 
pp_
ok maybe it was
 
@MillieSmith Let's not start the discussion over again
 
Sam
@Tunaki And in the cb.
 
@pp_ What?, sd was since bla bla bla and 1 rep user... (combine --> abusive)
 
9:27 PM
I was pinged. I answered .
 
@MillieSmith Yes, I guess we're mixing up events here. Sorry.
 
@MillieSmith I assumed there were unseen deleted comments !
 
Np.
Yeah, though i don't know what was deleted when you there. It must have been everything. I only had one comment.
When you got there*
 
pp_
@PetterFriberg Some say NAA, others say abusive
 
NAA is the safe bet.
 
9:32 PM
@MillieSmith those two are cousins in the same way flat-earthers and big-bangers are cousins
 
@pp_ Yeah long meta post... conclusion you are afraid of flag denied NAA.. you like the stuff to be removed Abusive....
For me its abuse of system and there is even a post of Shog9 tellling it could be spam testing... (but don't flag spam)....
 
pp_
Well I don't really have a strong opinion on this
Might as well switch back and forth
 
How many abusive flag are needed to delete the post?
 
6
 
pp_
It's the same for spam, right?
 
9:38 PM
yep. I think it's 6 spam + abusive combined also but not sure there
 
@TylerH only under the assumption that people who believe in the bible are wrong. In any case, I only mentioned the term "bible thumper" so that it would be clear what I meant by "standards thumper". Standards are not the be-all-end-all and they are only one consideration when writing a program. I don't want to argue about this though.
 
@Tunaki yes, 6 it is for both flag types
 
@rene Even 3 spam + 3 abusive?
 
They go into the same bucket
 
@MillieSmith it's not really an assumption
 
pp_
9:41 PM
@rene So if 5 people flag as spam and you flag as abusive either all 6 are helpful or all 6 are declined?
 
we are all thumpers to some extent
 
All 6 are marked helpful and post is sent to the grave
 
yeah it is. arrogant atheists are just as bad as arrogant theists. that's all i will say on that subject. i will definitely not have an argument about religion here.
 
@pp_ what @Tunaki says
 
This is not correct room for that kind of discussion...
 
9:45 PM
@MillieSmith if you like to take that discussion further may I suggest you do so in the SO Tavern where other participants might join you?
 
@rene what discussion.
 
the message I linked to
 
pp_
@Mogsdad I'd say pob.
 
@rene thanks for the offer, but i really don't. like i mentioned in the comment, the last thing i feel like arguing about is religion.
 
OK, great.
 
9:51 PM
@pp_ You're free to do so. My tendency is "request" when the question asks for a review / opinion about a resource.
 
@Mogsdad isn't the other answer also a link to a possible dupe target?
 
@Adriaan Yes - may as well use it as well, then both show up in the closed banner.
 
..... you could have just dropped it .....
 
I'm out for today, cya
 
still waiting for "consider it dropped", followed by "I already dropped it, waiting for you", then...
'later @gunr2171!
 
10:00 PM
@Mogsdad DROP TABLE Conversation;
 
hehe
 
You can't. There's a foreign key on Fun.
 
@Tunaki The resource it links to has rotten
 
@PetterFriberg Depending on conflicting Hibernate versions is like living on the edge
 
@Tunaki I hate hibernate... put I only used the first version... they where so slow to load data.... and could never figure out why it was so fun using them....
 
10:08 PM
Actually, I don't use any Hibernate specific code. I only code against JPA, I don't like to write code that depends on the impl. But the latest Hibernate is really nice, it's quite fast also.
 
I have heard so... but still learn sql, execute queries that load/save what you need and your application will run much faster...
 
I get a little sad if my answer says edit the post and then the OP claims they did while the rev history shows otherwise ...
 
For sure. It is suited for big apps with lots of tables.
@rene ask which post they edited
 
I gave up
Tomorrow will be a better day
 
@Tunaki new hibernate loads using index or column look up (es. rs.getString(1) or rs.getString("colFromAnnotation")?
 
user177800
10:13 PM
@JAL Shog9 asked me if I minded if he moved it, and that is what I wanted so he did it.
 
@PetterFriberg column name
but the name is generated at run-time, it's not the name of the column
this is to avoid problems with selecting two columns having the same name in joined query
 
@Tunaki why "blob, blob, blob", not "blah, blah, blah?"
 
Good question. Do you have an answer? I don't.
Maybe Kyll got into my head but plop is too hard to write
 
This was a big problem in old hibernate that slow down a lot application when loading tons of data... the old JDBC drivers (don't know if same in new) are really slow to do column lookup...
 
did not
 
10:17 PM
orms are awful
 
^
 
@PetterFriberg They must have improved. I never experience any performance problem with Hibernate. It targeted Oracle 11g DB.
I've done a bunch of tests on MySQL and Postgre also but not with high volume
 
We done a lot of testing both on Oracle and Ms SQLServer (but it was like 4-5 years ago) and the difference was really significant..
 
Interesting. Well Oracle hasn't changed much in 4-5 years. I guess it was 10g back then?
The JDBC spec was improved a lot with Java 7
 
@pp_ the real problem was your infinite loop didn't kick the Cd Drive out perpetually
 
10:23 PM
It had not to do with the database but the JDBC driver the lookup of column took a lot of time, to make it run quick all hibernate and look up was removed... I can not remember the difference but the load speed was at least doubled.. (and this was a surprise to us)
 
Good to know.
 
Rob
Morning
 
they are bloaty classes that add layers of woe for more simple types of peeps. It is never as fast. And a huge problem with orms is trying to get them to work with complicated queries. It can be any orm. Any language. Some orms simply can't handle it.
 
^ That's true.
Hibernate does handle it of course :D. Actually, scratch that, the JPA spec handles that.
 
And I would sit in those rooms and see the db's tagged and in would come an orm question. And all I could think was "sux to be you"
 
pp_
10:27 PM
The good thing is that orm and raw sql can be mixed
 
Writing raw JDBC makes me vomit. It is so bloated and horrible
 
user178923 answer is not an answer. stackoverflow.com/questions/34899317/…
 
what format are you trying to use @Raju :D
 
It would be interesting to do same test with jdk 1.7 and latest driver... we where using jdk 1.4... if I have some time I will try it..
 
@Raju Don't report NAA, refer to rule I can't remember its number
@PetterFriberg How did you measure it?
Load UI?
 
10:31 PM
@Tunaki, @rene, rule & format ? You mean
t: too broad
u: unclear
p: pob
d: duplicate
m: no mcve
r: no repro
s: superuser
f: serverfault
l: library/tool/resource
g: gimme-teh-codez
??
 
Time to load like 1M rows each with 10 columns (after sql executed) in result set loop (test 1: rs.getString("columnName")... for 10 cols, test 2: rs.getString(1).. for same 10.)
 
And actually, it's not a numbered-rule apparently.
 
@Raju you're not supposed to ask for NAA flags, just flag and let the LQ do its job. You can ask if an answer is NAA though but as you can see it was already commentd on by @Mogsdad
 
@Tunaki, Igot it Not an Answer (NaA) and Very Low Quality (VLQ) flag requests are not allowed here
@rene, yep. I got it. Thanks ;)
 
10:33 PM
OK
 
@Raju Mostly it has no sense... since 1 flag is enough...
 
Which ORM have you used @Drew?
 
the ones like JBoss H sqlalchemy EF. I mean I look at them and know there is no chance I am going to use them
It is like Gordon Linoff (sp)? Why is he in an ORM. He isnt
 
@TylerH: I'm not sure what you envision happening in the Teacher's Lounge. It's mission is to give moderators a place to learn from each other. Yes, there are times when something gets posted there and a bunch of moderators take some action on the site. But that's a byproduct of the discussion and not the stated purpose of the room.
One frequent complaint we hear from non-SO users is that their questions are closed without any transparency into why. The existence of this room has been cited as a reason why new users get treated poorly. I doubt it's a huge factor most of the time, but the perception matters.
 
10:42 PM
If that really happens with new users I better drop our FAQ because it turns out to be useless
On the positive side: I didn't really know how much resistance/friction we developed but it is more then I anticipated based on recent events
 
@rene Well, a lot of these complaints come from people who don't understand nuances.
 
Do we know if those those user read the close banner, How to Ask and [mcve]? It's easy to complain, less to improve.
 
Doesn't the close message always explains, why a question was closed? I mean it's not like it says just "closed". There is always a little text why it was closed.
 
@JonEricson OK, that is hard to battle if the room doen't get a chance to interact with the users to miss that nuance
 
@Tunaki Some do. Some don't. But everyone knows SO's reputation as a place where people gleefully close every question. (Especially the "good" questions. ;-)
 
10:49 PM
@JonEricson Might it help if we link questions that get closed by us to this from a comment so users get both guidance and a possible interaction with a human?
 
This is an example where I did this stackoverflow.com/questions/35865186/…
 
nice!
 
@JonEricson I can't help myself, sorry xkcd.com/541 :)
 
@Tunaki I should memorize that number so I don't need to waste a click. ;-)
@rene Sometimes it would. I think the more y'all can do to show that you care about new users the better. Personally, I'm a huge fan of helpful edits.
Some people won't get it and will complain anyway. That's fine as long as other people catch a clue once in a while.
 
@JonEricson we have userscripts that help us edit posts so that can be done, sure
I'll do my best to keep things on-track, transparent and stay open for feedback.
 
11:01 PM
I appreciate that. If we really thought the room was destructive, we would have shut it down ages ago.
 
It may seem strange that I'm in this room, but I actually judge it as one of the few rooms that care about OP, try to help them, try to be correct, edit post etc. You can check my meta post (even if a grand failure... that this is my mission.. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/316681/…).
 
@rene FYI, apparently, TravisJ is writing up a Meta to bring this room down meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/318497/…
 
As a parent, I understand "tough love" ;-).
 
As far as TravisJ goes, he might want to pick any one of us, and march thru our comment history. He might get a different impression. We are far from wildly successful as closers.
 
@Tunaki yeah, he'll use it on the next incident
@JonEricson thanks for the support from you, Shog9 and the mod-team, appreciated.
 
11:05 PM
As a parent, not really more fair and honest love...
 
@Drew Yeah, as I said on many occasions, we are perceived differently from the outside. Not much you can do about that except looking for possible flaws in our guidance, process and transparency and adapt if needed.
 
I doubt we enjoy closing questions. Because it is a peer of ours out there. Stuck.
 
I have already told you just rename "SO Reopen Vote Reviewers"
 
It is true that the name could be changed and misinterpreted since we do a lot more than closing. I hope.
 
I'm not sure if changing the name would do anything. I use it's abbreviated form already for that reason
 
11:16 PM
Mine is mostly a joke.... SOCVR is not a good marketing name... but this is not the direct issue at this moment
 
I sense a room meeting coming up, I'll put it, new name for the room, on the agenda.
 
Thanks
There's a lot of matter to discuss in that upcoming room meeting! Let's hope we survive that long :D
 
if the post isn't hot any more, everybody can move on
 
11:34 PM
 
@Tunaki The lack of upvotes, or the close vote already cast on it?
 
The title says it all, no need to look further :p
 
I'm out for the night, need sleep
 
@Tunaki "and thus always slower than machine-code." <-- this means war
night @rene
 
Cya!
 
11:36 PM
Bonne nuit!
 
Sam
Cya!
 
Fun is over. Question was Martijn'd.
 
Does the Java code make as many inefficiency mistakes as the Python code here does? regex.sub() plus split could be replaced by a findall(), stopwords should be a set, word in dictionary.keys() should be word in dictionary, you could use a Counter() instead. Even then, Java is going to be faster. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 2 mins ago
just read the last part...
 
@PetterFriberg if Martijn says so, it is so:(
 
Rob
11:49 PM
How does one pronounce Martijn anyway - is it the same as Martin, or something close to Marteen?
 
Mart-eh-gen?
 
Hi
there is a spam link in the accepted answer of this question → stackoverflow.com/questions/18619394/…
this link afterburnerfx.com has nothing todo with java fxml.
 
@Raju Use the share link under the answer to get the link to answer and post that...
 
@Raju where? I don't see it.
 
11:52 PM
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A: Loading new fxml in the same scene

jewelseaWhy your code does not work The loader creates a new AnchorPane, but you never add the new pane to a parent in the scene graph. Quick Fix Instead of: content = (AnchorPane) FXMLLoader.load("vista2.fxml"); Write: content.getChildren().setAll(FXMLLoader.load("vista2.fxml")); Replacing the ...

@cricket_007, exactly ...
that link is going to some online shopping portal.
 
@Raju now just put some ... after the link to avoid one boxing
 
The answer is 2 years old. The domain could have been rebought
 
ok, I'll put a comment to the answerer.
 
@Raju If you need link to comment right click the time stamp and select copy link
 
@PetterFriberg, Thanks for the tip. I was actually looking for that .. :)
 
11:55 PM
This isi weird.
The comment was posted in July 2014. This is the site in May 2014 web.archive.org/web/20140516230609/http://afterburnerfx.com <-- definitely not JavaFX related
 
@cricket_007 I'd say link-only.
 
@Tunaki Promotes product?
 
Heeeh yeah spam works
 
It's a link to a PDF.
 
11:57 PM
But we say link-only to be nice
 
The guy has rep
 
Gotcha
 
When the user doesn't seem to be a spammer, we try to avoid the spam flag
So yeah in that case we'd rather go for NAA
@Tunaki It's 1am, you should be sleeping already
 
So the other answer is VLQ?
 
Do not wait for KevinGuan to wake up
 
11:58 PM
It's true.
 
@cricket_007 Probably. Just let the whole thing get Roomba'd
 
I'm going to bed as well, cya tomorrow...
 
(No upvoted answer, question closed and downvoted, it has 10 days to live)
 
Sam
Cya
 
cya o/
 

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