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8:00 PM
Did you all get this message??
 
Yes
 
Yeah
You've been a bad boy.
 
^-- That
 
I been at a client... connecting loads of stuff via serial port....
 
@PetterFriberg welcome in the chatroom that needs to warn its users upfront
 
8:01 PM
@Tunaki Does your NATO script contains OCR feature for Q's like that :)
 
Not yet. Come back in 6-8 weeks.
 
@rene Thanks I like it.... "I checked I will"... : )
 
@Tunaki lol, going to write one in JS ?:p
 
@PetterFriberg I might have lied a bit there ...
 
JAL
@EricD. Look at my scalar question again. I had this huge freaking explanation and the issue was a typo...
 
8:03 PM
Are there a closing message/type for wall of text-debug help Q like this?
 
@rene I did not even read it... just like when you install stuff... next. next, next .ok , go , next, yes, check agree, next install, go.
 
@JAL I've seen it happen. I was almost going to chat you "wait for Martin R to come by"... and he did, ahah. I did not spot this "typo" at all.
 
JAL
@kayess too broad/no mcve?
@EricD. hahaha. I figured he was going to answer
 
@PetterFriberg yeah, that feeling
 
@TUna jasper report with maven bounty... stackoverflow.com/questions/35523664/…
@Tuna OAEPEncoding is not part of jasper report so its yours....
 
8:07 PM
I'd close it as no MCVE...
 
Any python dudes? stackoverflow.com/questions/35822263/… I guess it's too broad (?)
 
Well I have no idea... don't work with the tomcat mess...
 
I'll try to reproduce something
blarh there's too much code, I'm out of it. OP should produce a MCVE.
 
@kayess "EDIT: Now with cyclic dependancy checking!" <-- like an infomercial
 
@AndrasDeak :D
 
8:12 PM
@Tunaki Pass a comment if you have the energy... who the heck is calling org/bouncycastle/
 
Tomcat on startup, loading the classes
 
aah ok.... well I move one....
 
hello
Does anyone know what this: -16777216 means
 
Where?
 
@Murplyx Where from you get this?
 
8:15 PM
It's in a rendering funciton
 
@Murplyx Hello!
 
it makes the alpha channel 255
 
@Murplyx You have probably entered the wrong door?:)
 
or 0, I don't know,
somevalue &= that
how do you get back to 255 from that value?
 
@Murplyx Hello. You are not in the chat room you think you are. :)
 
8:17 PM
Welcome. This is a chat room for discussing post closure and other related site moderation. I don't think this is the right room for you :(
 
Well if you have a question like that on SO we can close it : )
 
@PetterFriberg lol
 
user4639281
@gunr do you have any reliable way of contacting durron?
 
no, sorry
I haven't heard from him in a LONG time
 
user4639281
Darn.
 
8:19 PM
why?
 
user4639281
We have a question about AWS
 
ah, so you go to the source
if you really want you can get his email off slack. Don't know if that will work or not
 
@Petter Can't reproduce the error, left comment
 
user4639281
Yeah, it's alright, I'm sure we can figure it out
 
@Tunaki Thanks...
 
8:32 PM
Hm, maybe I shouldn't do NATO when I've no more close votes for questions...
 
user4639281
lol
 
and those were my last 2. Thanks. Because of you I don't have votes anymore.
 
Same here. No more votes.
 
Sam
8:45 PM
 
CB?
 
Community Bulletin
 
-_- stackoverflow won't let me ask a question
 
question ban?
 
8:52 PM
I have no idea, is that possible? O.o
 
@rene The "stop burninating" discussion is a whine-fest, wherein the various parties believe that THEY represent the majority. Arguments about "wasting time" (on either side of the debate) are purely subjective. Your answer to the renaming question is good - however I don't think a rename campaign was going to go anywhere. If the question is whether or not SOCVR should continue involvement in burnination, then we really should talk about it. I don't see it as central to our mission, though.
 
@AndrasDeak how could one check to see if they are question banned?
 
sd remove- edited
 
hence what I said: the consensus is that nothing has changed
 
@OliverQueen they can't ask new questions...
do you have some deleted downvoted questions?
 
8:53 PM
@OliverQueen What happens when you try?
 
possibly with answers to them?
 
the form doesn't even submit. It times out the ajax post
and I get: "An error occurred submitting the question"
 
@TylerH I thought Venice got rid of Doges?
@OliverQueen Sounds like outage.
 
@OliverQueen report a bug then on meta, make sure to include a screenshot of your dev console of your browser
 
You could post a meta question... ha!
 
8:56 PM
LOL, I will try to, if it will let me
 
"have you tried turning it off and on again?"
as in, try in a new tab
 
@OliverQueen I would clear the cache and try again. Unless you have a bunch of deleted Q's you do not look like you would be under a Q ban
 
I have tried everything
 
just make sure to copy your post to an editor
 
@OliverQueen Start with a once-sentence question, just in case. Don't invest much time...
 
8:56 PM
even from my phone..
 
@OliverQueen Did you search the whole internet?
 
@Mogsdad and we can close it up real quick:D
 
...search the whole internet for?
 
@AndrasDeak lol true support guy! have you tried to reboot it ?:D
 
@OliverQueen Darn, my sarcasm button is broken again.
 
8:57 PM
You should get that fixed, it's lit fam.
 
Common phrases in LQ questions: I need help urgent! I tried everting and didn't find anything on the internet!
 
Also: deadline tomorrow please hurry! ^
 
user4639281
I read the whole internet and didn't find nothing
 
i need code asap
 
Nah by tried everything I meant to get the question to post
 
8:59 PM
Can I haz codez now plz?
 
@kayess insta-answer!
here you go codez -- 100k user
 
@OliverQueen Just in case, check this but you could also be bugged by your ISP like this user: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/318384/…
 
75 flags left
@AndrasDeak lol very sad, but true
 
@rene I'm not getting that error, unfortunately
 
Did you clear out the cache?
 
9:02 PM
@OliverQueen Did you blame the cache?
 
Yeah, cleared cookies, tried a different device
I just feel like SO is on drugs today
 
Maybe it's a sign that you shouldn't post because this room would close it in 5 seconds.
 
Well, new questions keep coming in, so it's not a widespread outage.
 
-> stackoverflow.com/questions/35853735/php-acces-every-hour do you guys close questions like this one?
 
@Mogsdad I think I can address the point about the bumps and I agree that the MSO burnination posts should be scrutinized better/down voted when in doubt etc. We can have a role there.
 
9:04 PM
There was a post about tag edit bumps already
 
@OliverQueen yes...
@Tunaki yeah, I saw you brought that up
 
@rene I posted a chat comment the other day; we could vtc requests that don't show due diligence validating the awfulness of a tag.
 
I like that
 
@OliverQueen Did you log out and then log back in?
 
That could be possible yes. But then we'd need to rewrite the previous requests
 
9:05 PM
@NathanOliver about 5 times lol
 
Did you try IE8?
 
Because which is the next in line does not conform with that: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/298984/we-dont-need-guidelines
 
LOL I'm on ubuntu.
 
@Tunaki We can work that out now
 
It's allergic to IE*
 
9:07 PM
@OliverQueen Did you try some wine?
 
@rene Okay
 
@BhargavRao ...wine?
 
@OliverQueen Yeah, they ship IE8 free with wine
 
@Tunaki We might - but the value would be better community acceptance. Relying on votes doesn't make people happy - at least not when they prefer to assign justification to other people's votes, ignoring the very essence of the democratic process.
uh oh... supposed to be somewhere else. AFK!
 
@TinyGiant Thanks =D
 
9:08 PM
@BhargavRao I don't want or need IE
 
And morning.
 
@Mogsdad Shog9 made clear that votes aren't the decider to continue burnination or not
 
@KevinGuan morning! Isn't it too early for you?
 
@SmokeDetector Looks like spam, AND HAS 1 CLOSE VOTE
 
correction, 2
 
9:09 PM
@AndrasDeak Hmm...yes, yes it is. 5 AM here.
 
quick, someone add this to the changelog meta.stackoverflow.com/a/318484/792066
before everyone forgets
 
@KevinGuan knew it!:)
you usually come after midnight:P
 
2:40 here. Still fresh and bright
 
@Tunaki Is that spam? Or just a bad question?
One close vote already anyway.
 
9:11 PM
@KevinGuan they are using stackoverflow as a method to get people to join their job, a adverisement
 
@Tunaki if we close vote it we can delete it
 
@SmokeDetector Has 1 delete vote
 
@rene I know that, and you know that... but the OP of that question didn't.
 
@rene Its already closed...
 
needs one del-vote more
solved
 
9:12 PM
Nate to the rescue
 
lost the link
 
sd gone (I win)
 
@Ferrybig I think that's off-topic, right? However it's done.
 
ah I was sleeping
 
@Mogsdad Ah, then I won't to request a feature if only I want use it - What's your point on this?
 
user4639281
9:15 PM
@Jarrod what's this I hear about martijn not being happy with the bounties you've posted?
 
@TinyGiant I wouldn't be surprised...
 
What the heck is going on
 
@TinyGiant Hear?
 
user4639281
read*
 
But apparently yeah stackoverflow.com/users/177800/jarrod-roberson?tab=reputation 3 bounties were removed and refunded
 
9:17 PM
wow!
being unhappy is one thing, but reverting...
I mean, is there an official policy on bounties?
 
3 bounties of 500 with the same user in those 3 questions, I guess that raised some concern on mod sides
 
user4639281
Probably raised an auto-flag posting three bounties in one day
 
you could donate your rep, even if it's frowned upon
 
My guess is targeted rep sharing
 
The mod probably thought the account was hacked
 
9:19 PM
@Tunaki no way
 
user4639281
no recent meta question
 
it was even discussed here in the room, the bounties that is
 
@Tunaki Hmm...@JarrodRoberson?
 
You can't expect the moderator to read this room's transcript of auto flag
 
9:19 PM
@BhargavRao oh good catch!
 
user4639281
I mean regardless, it is his rep to share as he feels. No moderator should be refunding bounties for that reason.
 
@TinyGiant I guess it seemed borderline abusive of the system?
 
Feb 17 at 2:00, by Jarrod Roberson
@KevinGuan spending 1K in bounty to get you to be able to moderator more effectively is better than spending 500 downvotes on shitty answers. Plus I bumped Tiny and someone else last month. Basically anything above 25K is just "cake" at this point. Rep does not mean what it meant when I earned it.
 
I assume Jarrod has been contacted
 
Later guys
 
9:21 PM
bye
 
bye
 
He gave me 1k so I can get Sam ate his hat use the mod tools.
 
bye
 
bye
 
bye
 
9:22 PM
I'm going for the "account has been hacked" theory for now
That's 3x500 rep in a single day
 
@Tunaki the above meta post put the issue on a mod radar
 
user4639281
 
G'nite!
 
Bonne nuit!
 
@AndrasDeak Still, why remove the bounties?
 
9:24 PM
@Tunaki because it can easily be seen as a questionable action
gaming the system or something
I'm sure there's a moral reason
 
@Tunaki Wait, we can remove bounties?
 
@KevinGuan Mods can
 
user4639281
Isn't the point of bounties to game the system? Isn't the entire system a game? So what, we're not allowed to play the game now?
 
@Tunaki So...mods did that?
 
too funny
 
9:25 PM
Martjin did
 
@TinyGiant I'm only playing devil's advocate
I assume that in the Right Way bounties are for rewarding exceptional answers, or advertising overlooked questions
 
@Tunaki Nooooo....does it mean that my 1k will gone and I can't use the mod tools anymore? :(
 
I can easily see directed bounties inducing some frowns
 
user4639281
Bounties are for giving away rep to other users, the reasons are arbitrary, and entirely impossible to verify
 
yup
that's why I'm saying that there might be a moral imperative in the background
 
9:27 PM
That's why I'm going for the hacked account theory. I mean look at it. One user post 3x500 bounties on 3 questions where the same user has an accepted answer
 
user4639281
I can say I'm rewarding an exceptional answer, but if the mod thinks the answer is not exceptional they can revoke the bounty? How subjective is that?
 
That's like so big you can't even not notice it
 
it is bs
 
but it is bs for sure
 
probably bs
 
9:29 PM
Tiny Giant, Martijn just left me a comment saying that there was a series that was problematic for some reason.
 
but I can easily see it happening
I could see it even before Jarrod posted them
 
pp_
My third appearance on meta, I guess.
 
-.-
 
Though the meta OP's point about it interfering with crap question handling can also be a valid point
 
Lol, the k timed out
 
9:30 PM
I haven't actually looked at the Q&A
@pp_ I don't think anyone's blaming you, maybe just for answering crap questions? I haven't read the meta either:D
but it's not your responsibility
 
@JoshCaswell We're talking 3 bounties posted by the same user, that's probably the series
 
@Tunaki that's definitely it
 
@Ferrybig hmm I wonder why he was angry on user that posted the other answer...
 
user4639281
@JoshCaswell Commented
 
@JoshCaswell I remember now, Jarrod said that he wants get @pp_ up to 3k.
 
9:31 PM
@Tunaki Presumably; just pointing out relevant information.
 
pp_
I never asked for any bounties and I stopped answering crappy Java questions anyway.
 
@pp_ that's just my point, so don't worry about it
 
!!/blame
 
@KevinGuan It's Kevin Guan's fault.
 
Another meta drama yuppy
 
9:33 PM
Anyone with pyton skills is this fishy? stackoverflow.com/a/32054867/5292302
 
@SmokeDetector twice in 10 hours!:D
@PetterFriberg well pip is the way to install packages, but that does seem odd
Why wouldn't you download from the official sources?
 
@KevinGuan I think Smokey is now hard-wired to blame you when you ask
 
@Mogsdad @Tunaki @Braiam @MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW @Magisch left a comment here and here
 
@AndrasDeak SD made us remove and answer that was very upset with that answer... user deleted..
 
@Kyll Hmm...
!!/blame
 
9:35 PM
@KevinGuan It's Tiny Giant's fault.
 
@Kyll Nope ^
 
@Mogsdad cimmanon doesn't live in Venice, she lives in Canadia, eh
 
@TinyGiant: Because fraud. That's all I'll say on the subject. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 28 secs ago
cough
 
define "fraud"
 
Okay, big words, drama seems engaged
 
9:36 PM
@PetterFriberg Seems to be well-known at least: google.com/search?q=gohlke+pythonlibs The site is mentioned on the official pypi site: pypi.python.org/pypi/pipwin
 
:29185756 waffle warning
 
@Tunaki NINJA!
 
@JoshCaswell Ok thanks....
 
@PetterFriberg Could use some editing, though.
 
So I guess now we need to dig up the transcript here to see when Jarrod mentioned those bounties
 
9:38 PM
@Tunaki that shouldn't be hard
20 hours ago, by Jarrod Roberson
Drew what do you guys need?
that should be the beginning
 
What is wrong with rewarding people for their efforts
remove the bounty system
 
@Drew I think they found it dishonest
 
Back and seems now it's Drew's fault.
 
due to the user being targeted rather than a post
 
i think bounties are supposed to be aimed at content rather than people
 
9:40 PM
I think both the bounty and he counteraction are iffy
 
@Kyll So again:
Feb 17 at 2:00, by Jarrod Roberson
@KevinGuan spending 1K in bounty to get you to be able to moderator more effectively is better than spending 500 downvotes on shitty answers. Plus I bumped Tiny and someone else last month. Basically anything above 25K is just "cake" at this point. Rep does not mean what it meant when I earned it.
 
@KevinGuan don't get yourself on the radar;)
 
oh it's my fault
 
@Kyll Howver, that isn't a precondition of the bounty system
 
don't forget that in this case, it was reverted before assigning it to the user
 
9:41 PM
sure @KevinGuan
 
@KevinGuan Sure. That's where the current system fails, by leaving some moderators behind rep-wise and thus privilege-wise. You can't expect people to be happy when you bend rules.
 
that's much less harsh than confiscating the assigned bounty
 
@AndrasDeak hiding myself...
 
@KevinGuan here
2
 
@KevinGuan you know what you did? You all but begged Jarrod to give you rep
 
9:43 PM
5
Q: Finding out if someone has been the recipient of multiple bounties from the same person is tedious to say the least

ChrisFThe transfer of reputation via bounties is one way unscrupulous users can get round voting limits or increase the reputation of sock puppets without triggering the vote fraud tools. The tooltip that we get on the answer itself shows who awarded the bounty. However, the tooltip on the recipient's...

 
@Drew Yeah yeah, I know. It's all my fault.
 
don't drag my ass into it
 
sock puppets.
 
@Tunaki Huh, it's not something like: Doing that is wrong. But: Please tell us what are you actually doing. Right?
 
9:45 PM
At least Jarrod Roberson action was for the good of SO... (rewarding people that spend time cleaning ecc.)... I hope they consider this fact...
 
They don't. Apparently, it was seen as fraud, possible sock puppets.
 
@Tunaki will Chris be pissed if I edit a question mark into his question?
 
yes
 
@PetterFriberg As was said above, intent is subjective. They can't start favouring some users over others
 
@Tunaki and should I?:D
 
9:47 PM
Depends. Do you want to live the rest of your life in that corner -----------^
 
See, you can't edit my message with a question mark
 
maybe I'll pass. I'm not a man big enough to piss facing the gale
 
Too bad, there was a 500 bounty in the corner. You just missed it.
 
lol:D
 
9:52 PM
Well, I'll keep my popcorn for tomorrow. Need sleep, Cya
 
Cya
 
JAL
There, I said it
taking bets to see how long it takes for my comment to be deleted
(or just upvote my comment and grab your popcorn)
 
Problem is, this is a muddy subject even if mods are droids (and they're far from that)
so even if mods treated these equally, the rules are not laid out clearly
nor unclearly, for that matter
New meta bug-report? v
> Please note that once a bounty is started, the reputation is non-refundable under any circumstances.
 

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