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4:01 PM
@JonClements By the way, do you have an official source that I can link to on that?
 
@Tunaki Errr... it's in an answer by shog on mso somewhere....?
 
Don't bother, found it meta.stackexchange.com/a/5222
 
I think someone asked "if this got 6 delete votes - why wasn't it deleted?" or something
Yeah... but there's also something that a negatively scored answer if it receives 3 x delete votes (not just recommended) will be deleted (as you'd expect)
It might even be that 5 x RD and 1xD is still enough to delete something negatively scored - I can't remember
 
4:15 PM
@JonClements Apparentlty not, it seems to be described here: meta.stackexchange.com/q/226092
 
Okay - thanks :)
 
It seems also that you can't vote "Delete" if the answer is > 0. And now that I think about it, it happened to me, so can confirm.
 
@Tunaki Well... you can't vote delete an answer normally if its score is >= 0 anyway
 
true
will wait a bit for more feedback (a week or so) and post that. I think it looks good.
 
4:31 PM
I upgraded my gone sniper, :D
 
=(
 
4:45 PM
> // This hack is to stop the inline tag editor from moving all tags on the page into the first question.
// Shog9 knows about this, but decided not to fix it because no one using the site normally will ever
// run into this problem. Thank the almighty Shog.
 
5:08 PM
@Tunaki I've put my changes onto a new fork and submitted a pull request.
 
@WaiHaLee Hmmm. Maybe that makes too many bullet-points no? What about separating them with — instead of commas?
 
@Tunaki good point - on my screen it just looked like one massive link - using an em-dash (—) instead of a comma might be better.
 
editing
@WaiHaLee what do you think now?
 
5:53 PM
@Tunaki yes - that looks a lot better. Thanks.
 
@Kyll, hi.
 
Plop =D
 
@Kyll, did you see? the most ridiculous thing happened w/ a bounty and my unicorn points:)
 
Mh, on an answer that is borderline inappropriate, nice =p
 
right :)
I was laughing my ass off already. But it seems that answer was borderline helpful to others
somehow, it got upvoted. must have been useful.
 
6:05 PM
Plop Hiya o/
 
I flagged for TB, fyi
 
hi
 
Hi Tuna
@Tunaki, you overlooked something here ;)
 
Huh, well nicely spotted. Duplicate answers are hard to spot
 
Not my pride, look at the comments.
 
6:13 PM
What do you think about all this question and answers? stackoverflow.com/questions/35828645/…
 
@maytham-ɯɐɥʇʎɐɯ, inconclusive as far as the Q goes. Answers should be commentary, seemingly. Based on the answers, Q might be too broad/No MCVE. yet, I'm no android/Java guy.
 
6:40 PM
the site slow for anyone else?
queue is loading the next item for 5 minutes now
@Tunaki, java or php?
 
The code is Java.
But the question makes no sense.
 
@Tunaki I knew you would write a comment on that duplicate answer post :) You were just a little bit faster.
 
:D
@Rizier123 Ha the guy deleted
 
Hmm... what is this?
is that still typo?
 
6:47 PM
@JanGreve obvioys dupe. Well obvious for the Java community. And the answerer high-rep knows it very well
 
@Tunaki, well... it's java, do your thing then ;)
 
He just doesn't use his hammer. Prefers to repwhore.
 
@JanGreve That is one of the first things you run into if you code java ;) At least I did, and google helped me.
 
@Rizier123, didn't run into that in university. or google helped me so fast that I cant remember. Did no java since.
 
You're missing the true value of life.
 
6:51 PM
say what now?
thought that was a three letter word ending x ;)
 
user4639281
Hi everybody!
 
Hiya
 
Hi
 
user4639281
@Tunaki Did you check out the modified timeline script?
 
I did.
I'll need to read a lot of tutorials :D
 
user4639281
6:54 PM
Lol
 
user4639281
What don't you understand about it?
 
Btw, what magic sorcery did you do to fix the Share URL bug?
@TinyGiant Nah it's not that I don't understand, it's that I couldn't have come up with it myself :)
Dig up the code but can't find the trick.
 
user4639281
I only initialized one question on the page instead of all of them. Because Stack Overflow doesn't think you'll ever view more than one question on a page at a time, they don't localize anything. By a stroke of luck it just works.
 
user4639281
Still have to subscribe to each question for live updates though.
 
Hmmmm
I like that comment also :D
 
user4639281
6:57 PM
The one about shog?
 
user4639281
Or the one about firefox?
 
2 hours ago, by Tunaki
> // This hack is to stop the inline tag editor from moving all tags on the page into the first question.
// Shog9 knows about this, but decided not to fix it because no one using the site normally will ever
// run into this problem. Thank the almighty Shog.
 
user4639281
Lol yeah
 
He dropped by last night.
 
user4639281
Did he again?
 
7:00 PM
Yep. We converesed a little about that page. And then Drew made a big confession.
 
yeah what
 
:D
 
that I care about this place /
 
user4639281
Wut... there's a room for my CVRG?
 
user4639281
 
7:01 PM
nice typo
 
user4639281
inorite?
 
Hi o/
 
user4639281
Hi o/
 
Hi
 
Hi o/
 
7:03 PM
@TinyGiant Not used in a while though
 
user4639281
Yeah, was looking at that.
 
Ahh @PetterFriberg set it up :)
 
user4639281
The next version of the script should be easier to understand, though the installing of it is still going to be the same.
 
@TinyGiant Heck it works!
So... what does StackExchange.question.init do really?
 
user4639281
That binds the click event listeners and such.
 
user4639281
7:06 PM
If you include the response from /votes then it will light up the vote buttons for posts you've voted on.
 
When a user self-deletes a wrong-site question after you point it out >>>
Winning \o/
 
How did you come up with that anyway?
 
user4639281
@Tunaki Come up with what?
 
That trick to "init" one question only.
 
user4639281
Lots of debugging.
 
7:09 PM
And here I was expecting a link to a nice formatted reference.
 
lol
 
:D
 
user4639281
I had to hack jQuery to show me all events bound on the document, then exclude any events that weren't duplicates.
 
if only it were ever as pretty as a link
 
user4639281
Then I looked at the duplicate events, and scanned the source code, and wracked my brain, until I tried just initializing one question, then it worked.
 
7:11 PM
-.- the queues are so slow, I'm giving up and resorting to binge watching. good night you guys:)
 
then people would ask "did you learn that in college, Tiny?"
 
When you have to break jQuery because it's not showing you what you want, that might be a sign that you should just use vanilla JavaScript :-P
 
nice. even got an ssl handshake error to rub it in my face.
 
user4639281
@Drew I went to college in the states, so I learned most of what I know outside of class.
 
user4639281
@TylerH I hate jQuery
 
7:15 PM
@TinyGiant True that.
@TinyGiant Writing vanilla JS for IE <= 8 is worse.
 
oh, btw, can anyone, out of curiosity, tell me why my flag on this got disputed? seems like it was the right call.
 
user4639281
@AlexanderO'Mara I don't acknowledge IE <= 8 as valid browsers.
 
@JanGreve What flag?
 
@AlexanderO'Mara, OT :)
 
@TinyGiant Try telling your boss that a couple of years ago.
 
7:17 PM
@intboolstring We don't report NAA's here. Refer to the FAQ.
 
user4639281
@JanGreve Your flag was disputed because someone disagreed with you.
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/35823310/… OP says this answer is a hacking tool...
 
IE8 is now officially EOL, and not even M$ supports it anymore!
 
what a crock of crap (Jan)
 
MS only supports 11 and Edge, except it also supports IE10 on Vista until Vista is EOL
and as far as 11 goes, it only supports security issues now. No new features
 
7:18 PM
@TylerH Where do they say that?
 
@Drew, hu?
 
@AlexanderO'Mara comment is probably already deleted
 
not fair you lost that flag
 
I flagged it as rude/offensive because he said the f-bomb in it
"this is a f******* hacking tool. delete it"
 
user4639281
@AlexanderO'Mara I can't wait until MS drops edge and just wraps webkit and packages it as their own browser. At least then they would be doing something useful.
 
7:19 PM
@TinyGiant Edge is far more useful as a competitor for Chrome
 
@AlexanderO'Mara last year the Dutch Government paid M$ another couple of millions to extend support for the crap they couldn't replace quickly enough...
 
considering Google now has gotten lazy and complacent with their position in marketshare, Edge is actually innovative in a few things
 
@Drew, there are some I lost unfairly. Hopefully, most of the flags I will not need for too long anymore:)
 
user4639281
@TylerH Can it run userscripts?
 
Nope, one reason why I don't use it on my W10 machine yet
 
user4639281
7:20 PM
@TylerH I don't care about google, I care about webkit.
 
@jan i noticed :)
 
I still consider it Beta
 
user4639281
I run vivaldi, which runs in node.js and whose interface is completely written in HTML, CSS and JavaScript.
 
down to 14 questions.
 
user4639281
But it is webkit.
 
user4639281
7:22 PM
Webkit can be extended by anyone. Edge can be extended by MS.
 
it was defaced enough
a mod-flag has been raised automatically. No need to enter the game.
 
@TinyGiant Google uses Blink, technically. Except on iOS.
 
user4639281
webkit.org <---- not chrome
 
allright. Off I go then.
 
@Tunaki Sorry, rolled back the post before I noticed your comment
 
7:23 PM
good night
 
Saving the tag wiki of [turtle] here
 
@JanGreve Good night!
 
@JanGreve Ciao
 
and overly broad
 
defaced again :-(
 
7:24 PM
I don't even want to rollback. Just waiting for a mod.
 
A moderator flag has raised for the large amount of rollbacks on the question, we cannot do anything, but make the problem worse by entering the edit wars
 
Gecko seems more reliable than Webkit IMO.
 
Which one?
 
7:26 PM
 
user4639281
@AlexanderO'Mara Blink is a fork of webkit
 
never mind - found it
 
user4639281
@AlexanderO'Mara Gecko is bloated and old, and it doesn't handle let in for...of loops properly.
 
@JonClements Bah, had copied it to clipboard. :/
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels did you post a url that vanished
 
7:26 PM
@TinyGiant I know.
 
like a minute ago
 
@TinyGiant That's not Gecko, that's SpiderMonkey. It's probably related to having implemented it before it was standardized.
 
@Drew was moved because closed
 
ah
always going for the slam dunk eh
 
user4639281
@AlexanderO'Mara I run a decently modern computer, and mozilla runs like crap.
 
7:28 PM
Thanks @Jon.
 
@Drew yes, I archived it, sorry
 
user4639281
@Tunaki if you ever have any questions about how the Stack Overflow JavaScript works, see: dev.sstatic.net/Js/full.en.js?v=b02448f4618e
 
sd remove not spam
 
@TinyGiant It's not the age of the computer, the code implementation is the same
 
@TinyGiant Works pretty well for me. Mozilla's actually working on rewriting/replacing Gecko in Rust servo.org
 
7:31 PM
but to see your anecdote and raise, it, I run a very modern computer and FF runs great.
@TinyGiant It's not the age of the computer, the code implementation is the same
 
@TinyGiant So you're telling me the documentation is a 11000 line of code JavaScript code?
 
user4639281
@TylerH Duplicate comment
 
user4639281
@Tunaki Yes :)
 
Sounds awesome... :D
 
user4639281
@cybermonkey Y U NO HAZ?
 
7:33 PM
Thnx
@Drew: not that I know of
 
user4639281
@TylerH Maybe it's just a Linux vs Windows thing. My computer is < 1.5 years old, and has pretty average specs.
 
user4639281
But vivaldi runs great, chrome slightly worse, firefox like crap.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels it must have gotten closed instantly. It flashed on the screen
I think
 
user4639281
@Drew It took a minute, but yeah, it was quick.
 
user4639281
@Tunaki You could also ask me if you can't figure it out. I have a pretty decent understanding of the SO JavaScript files.
 
7:38 PM
@TinyGiant I can't speak for Firefox on Linux, I don't use that, but I'd imagine it's a secondary effort compared to the Windows build
 
@TinyGiant Thanks :)
 
user4639281
@TylerH Well, anyone who CBA to make a decent web browser for me does not deserve my patronage.
 
user4639281
And they don't handle let in for...of loops properly.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels are you shy about dupehammering to your answers or was it that it was not the chosen one? re:
in campaigns, 4 hours ago, by Drew
@Tunaki dh? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/35525301 target
 
user4639281
The whole point of using let, to get away from having to use IIFE's, is completely ignored by firefox. Basically let does the exact same thing as var in FF
 
user4639281
7:42 PM
@TylerH does Edge have a console?
 
@TinyGiant I don't use Edge so I'm probably not the right person to ask about its features but I'm sure it does
 
user4639281
What version of IE do you run?
 
11, but I don't use that either except when building intranet sites at work to ensure they work properly
 
Waffles, the OP reposted.
 
user4639281
Ok, more to the point, do you have a console right now?
 
7:46 PM
yes
 
user4639281
(function()
{
    'use strict';

    for(let el of [1,2,3])
    {
        setTimeout(() =>
        {
           console.log(el);
        }, 50);
    }
})();
 
Does someone has a good auto-comment if a post isn't written in English?
 
user4639281
What does that output?
 
DOn't run that
It's a virus.
I did it and it pooped a waffle.
 
user4639281
lol
 
7:47 PM
I could go for a waffle right now
It outputs 3
 
@TinyGiant What does Firefox get wrong with let?
 
user4639281
It should print out 1,2,3
 
user4639281
If it handles it correctly.
 
Firefox prints undefined then 3
 
Wait, how can this happen? stackoverflow.com/a/35831650/4099593
 
user4639281
7:49 PM
See let should "let" el inside of the block equal the current value at the execution point.
 
@TinyGiant prints "undefined, 3, 3, 3"
 
user4639281
It's acting like var in FF, and whatever browser Tyler is running
 
@Rizier123 @Tunaki <--- This guy will have, ping him
 
I'm running Firefox
 
@Rizier123 @BhargavRao <-- Try this guy ping him a little he likes it
 
user4639281
7:50 PM
@gunr2171 undefined because the for doesn't return anything, 3, 3, 3 because it doesn't handle let properly.
 
@TinyGiant Strange, is there an open bug for this?
 
user4639281
Not that I know of.
 
user4639281
Basically let is currently the exact same thing as var in FF
 
@Tunaki ping?!
 
@TinyGiant Only for for of though.
(function()
{
    'use strict';

    for(let el = 0; el < 3; el++)
    {
        setTimeout(() =>
        {
           console.log(el);
        }, 50);
    }
})();
Behaves correctly.
 
user4639281
7:52 PM
Well that's just weird.
 
user4639281
Try for...in
 
user4639281
@Rizier123 ping
 
@TinyGiant for in has the same bug.
 
user4639281
I wonder what the bug could be...
 
with Tiny's code IE11 prints "Expected ';' _display (49,16)"
 
7:53 PM
el is also not accessible outside the loop, so it is block scoped.
 
Mod Flag? 1 2 ?
 
@AlexanderO'Mara Ype this prints "undefined, 0, 1, 2" on latest Firefox
 
Edge prints "3, 3, 3" for Tiny's code but I'm not on the latest version of Edge
 
@TylerH Which code? Ah, NVM.
 
edited
which, btw, reminds me I need to restart this laptop to finish installing these updates
brb
 
7:56 PM
So SpiderMonkey and JScript (?) have the bug, but not V8? Are we sure it's a bug?
 
user4639281
@AlexanderO'Mara according to the spec, v8 is correct.
 
@TinyGiant Link?
 
user4639281
Hold on, gonna have to find it
 
Probably related, Firefox does not allow the use of const in place of let for these loops, but V8 does.
 
7:59 PM
 
rejected
 
thx
 
reject and edited
 
user4639281
@AlexanderO'Mara I'm trying to find it, but basically a for loop in strict mode should be it's own lexical scope.
 
user4639281
So a regular for loop is handled correctly in FF, but for...of and for...in loops are not
 
user4639281
8:06 PM
The idea is that you shouldn't have to use an IIFE to create a new lexical scope in for loops.
 
user4639281
I think this may be it, but I'm not sure.
 
@Tunaki count ?
 
@TinyGiant I've found the Bugzilla issue: bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=449811
 
@Drew 19
 
user4639281
8:14 PM
@AlexanderO'Mara Yeah
 
The last comment: "LOLOLOL"
 
burned
 
user4639281
 
user4639281
@AlexanderO'Mara So basically const should work as well, because it should be a fresh binding per instance.
 
It will probably be fixed before we can actually drop transpilers anyway.
 
user4639281
8:17 PM
Awesome, it's good to now.
 
user4639281
@AlexanderO'Mara @Tyler loves that term.
 
user4639281
Back in a minute o/
 
Later Tiny
 
Btw @BhargavRao Shog said the NATO page didn't have any improvements planned
so... I guess the FR you wrote, you can shovel it.
 
@Tunaki Did he drop in again?
 
8:21 PM
not since yesterday
 
reading transcript
 
@TinyGiant you mean that useless nonthing -_-
 
@Tunaki Ah, I was there that time. So that's it. :-(
But @Tunaki, one important thing. Shog has noticed that we are propagating the patrolling of NATO.
 
That's good yeah.
 
user4639281
8:26 PM
Back
 
Front
 
user4639281
@Tunaki Surprise surprise. He's not going to implement something if I've already written a script to fix it. Most of the users who use that page are probably in here and use my script.
 
user4639281
Bigger fish to fry and all that.
 
user4639281
@BhargavRao At least he thinks it's a good thing.
 
user4639281
Again, I wish he would just hire me to fix all of the things that they don't have the time to fix, I wouldn't even care if I didn't get paid for it.
 
user4639281
8:30 PM
@BhargavRao Do you have a link to the recent discussion with shog?
 
@BhargavRao I'm more right than you. This is not a ninja.
 
user4639281
Though I do understand why he isn't going to implement voting in the queues, too many bad reviewers. That doesn't mean I'm going to take down my review enhancements script though, because most users using that script are good reviewers.
 
user4639281
@Tunaki Ah, I read that one already
 
user4639281
Hell, if I get voted in as a moderator at the next election, I'll end up writing scripts to add context to the moderator queues if they don't implement that by then.
 
8:37 PM
@TinyGiant You're going to want to work hard to get a 40/40 candidate score though :(
 
user4639281
Yeah, I have to find that list again, pretty sure I wont have a very high score there.
 
I have 39/40 :-(
 
I know I'm missing Sportsmanship the other one I don't know
 
8:41 PM
I think someone asked how they might do better in the mod election, and the answer was: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/311677/…
 
user4639281
I have a 27 score
 
So 10 of that is from missing rep - I personally think all the badges is better though...
 
user4639281
I was at the top of the participation board on meta until recently.
 
If you're known and liked - it helps a lot
 
Holy Sheet, Andy has ~75k helpful flags stackoverflow.com/users/189134/andy?tab=topactivity
 
8:44 PM
what if you are not known, and disliked by those that know you
 
user4639281
Lots of people don't like me though.
 
Took me three times and I was only a runner up the third time anyway... It's not easy (unless you're Martijn) :(
Oh and guys - it's my 4th Birthday on SO today!
 
HBD @JonClements \o/
 
user4639281
Nice, it's my first birthday on SO today
 
8:45 PM
You can type at the age of four
 
HBD @TinyGiant \o/
 
@Drew dog years obviously! :p
 
user4639281
Ty
 
If I stand for mod elections what would be my chances :/
 
@TinyGiant What's the coincidence of us joining on the same day & month :p
 
8:46 PM
:29162369 Comment flags count too!
 
user4639281
@JonClements inorite?
 
user4639281
Just three years apart
 
@BhargavRao comment flag bot
 
@BhargavRao Okay, so he must have flagged 200 posts and comments for over a year.
 
@Tunaki Oh yeah.
 
user4639281
8:48 PM
I'm going to run next year anyways, even though I probably won't be elected.
 
I am running in 2030
 
Him not passing the preliminary was a big big surprise for me
 
@JonClements That'd be my problem. Meta doesn't like me much.
 
@BhargavRao Zero. (Or one if I can vote myself :D)
 
Vocal minority. Only 18 people even talk there. Don't sweat it
 
8:51 PM
 
Does anyone here have a link to a discussion for why reasoning of "tag X is better than tag Y" is not relevant when considering whether to close tag X? (As I was told.)
 
Hello @RexKerr!
 
I understand that it is important to not have to sort all the tags by lowest quality and only remove the lowest, but I would think it matters what tag Y is (e.g. if it is clearly okay, it should be relevant to the decision).
 
My scala hero
 
(Oh, and hi!)
 
user4639281
8:52 PM
Saying that a tag is not as bad as other tags is not a reason to not burninate said tag. It may mean that both need to be burninated.
 
I hope I am not supposed to be a hero. I am imaginary. (See picture.)
 
too late
 
...though I guess a lot of heroes are imaginary?
 
Hi @RexKerr o/
 
@TinyGiant - You have repeated the statement but I want to understand the logic behind it.
 
8:54 PM
@RexKerr Not all heroes wear capes, some are imaginary too
 
Maybe they both need to be. But the ordering can still be relevant if it turns out that you already know that one doesn't need to be, right?
 
hi
 
user4639281
No tag is as bad as internet was, does that mean no other tags should be burninated?
 
@honk o/
 
@honk o/
 
8:55 PM
sigh ... is that what I am arguing?
 
user4639281
You're saying that a tag is not as bad as other unnamed tags.
 
user4639281
You aren't even suggesting another tag that is worse.
 
Does it make sense to reject the suggested edit on this answer which isn't an answer?
 
user4639281
You're just saying that other tags are worse.
 
I'm saying that it is tag dependent. If you know something about tag Y, and you don't know anything about tag X, but you can compare X and Y and find that they are comparable or X scores better, it is a way to know something about tag X, right?
 
8:56 PM
Which means that those other tags should be burned as well
 
Some tags should be burned, some not. I suggested "algorithm" as a tag that was at least as broad as finance.
 
I think tags ought to be left alone. I'm with Cody
 
@RexKerr if you don't know anything about tag X, how can you compare it with Y?
 
@honk Better to reject and leave the @Tunas flag...
 
user4639281
@RexKerr [algorithm] at face value seems like a meta tag as well, that doesn't mean anything at all in relation to [finance] or [financial].
 
8:58 PM
Now, you could say: "dunno about that one, it isn't helpful for this discussion", or you could say, "Yeah, kill algorithm also", or you could say, "algorithm is better than the tag I'm suggesting for burnination". But a blanket, "No, don't say anything about another tag" seems to close off a valid way to reason about how bad a tag is.
 
@honk Yes. Definitely. Reject.
 
user4639281
We were discussing a specific tag, not every tag on the site that could possibly qualify for burnination.
 
Hah, While I was cleaning up [turtle] stackoverflow.com/q/35832470/4099593 :D
 
@Tunaki - I'm wondering about the process of how to evaluate the criteria for a tag. None of them are really crystal clear. Comparative analysis is often a productive way to evaluate subjective criteria.
 
I was also a big fan of for categorization. That didn't go over so hot
 

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