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5:05 PM
@Tunaki VLQ?
 
that's what I did. the new edit makes it barely not NAA anymore
 
@user1803551 Are you a VLQist or a NAAist?
 
@Tunaki i don't know how to answer that question
 
@user1803551 I don't know. I flag link-only as VLQ. But, some argue that it should be NAA.
 
@Magisch Is iOS your main tag? Remember that if you're filtered on a tag in the CVQ the filtered tag gets added as the FIRST tag. So if you would have been fitered on you would have seen that tag which is in 99 of the 100 audits a strange and/or wrong tag. That yells audit at you. Then visit the question in a new tab to prevent mishaps like you had.
 
JAL
5:09 PM
@gunr2171 maybe 4? Not that many
 
ok, I did some more just now (around 6)
but we're under 20 left
 
JAL
sweet!
 
this is the search i'm using. I'm looking for anything without a close vote on it already to edit or vote on
 
@gunr2171 I just hit 5 in the queue.
 
5:13 PM
woot
 
@user1803551 I might like that
 
@user1803551 I saw that yeah but isn't what we already had?
 
@rene could ask madara or even shog if they support something of the sorts
@Tunaki you meed the italicized notice i had on top?
 
@user1803551 Yep.
> This tag is in phase 2 of the process described here. The question and comments have been cleaned to allow for on-topic discussion on this tag, please keep it that way. If you want to discuss the process itself, visit the SOCVR room.
I thought it was enough but maybe not.
 
@Tunaki yeah, which was what i answered to gnat meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/316947/…. but having a moderator warning might be better.
@Tunaki oh me too, believe me. i thought...
can we put hidden markup in the title?
 
5:20 PM
@JarrodRoberson having fun yet? :P
 
@user1803551 no, only in the body
 
fail idea sound
 
Would this question be better at SU or at SF? stackoverflow.com/questions/35455657/… (By the way, the last comment by the OP is rude.)
 
Super User
 
Okay, vtc'ed.
 
5:28 PM
oh no! you edited the post but kept the "thanks"!
 
@gunr2171 I know there's a school of thought that tag edits should also edit the post generally. I don't belong to that school of thought. That post was mistagged with the tag. I my book there's value in just removing that tag. It is a low traffic tag, I tend to be active in low traffic tags, and I know for a fact that mistagging a question with a low traffic tag will make people not read the question. So yes, sometimes I just edit tags, and nothing else.
 
true, that's fine
removing the "thanks" would not have been enough to salvage the post anyways
afk for lunch
 
It's not like we really enter edit mode with 10k anyway.
 
@Drew Are you referring to the mode by which we can just edit tags? I guess that suggests it is okay to just edit tags without editing other things All the same, I find it rarely useful because when I edit tags, there's usually a misconception on the part of the OP regarding tag usage. So I leave a comment with the edit, like " is for a specific product; it is not a generic tag for any man-in-the-middle situation".
 
Sam
Greetings humans.
 
5:39 PM
Hey
 
@Louis like the PHP thing a page up there. I knew it was PHP so I was in there and out caring less about the question. Knew it would get eyes on PHP and get dupe closed. Another use case would be similar (not expecting closure but eyes on it)
If that is not enough service, they can dock some pay.
2
 
Besides, it's nice to be able to edit tags anonymously. :)
 
Doesn't seem too anonymous to me but I could be missing something
 
Anonymous??
Yeah, I've been clicking on all the posts by that user and found most of them vandalized.
 
@Louis Great... Thanks man... You are doing a good job..
 
5:53 PM
@PraveenKumar It ain't my first rodeo.
 
@PraveenKumar I see the user has been awarded a cool down suspension. Good. (I did raise a flag.)
 
@Louis Yup... Nice one.
Even I didn't flag...
There are about 6 mods in this room. So they should have taken care. :D
Okay then, let's go back to our works! :P
 
@Tunaki what tag is used for the new date-time API? like the for the new IO.
 
@user1803551
 
6:04 PM
@Tunaki yes! thanks
 
@Drew My mistake. It doesn't show that the Q has been edited unless you refresh the page. Oh well. :)
 
The user that vandalized his own posts (from the recent smokedetector detection) also has rude talk on his profile, did some moderator in this channel see it? this user
 
@Ferrybig that wasn't there a few minutes ago...
 
It was probably done between the time we handled it here, and the time the suspension was added, as suspended users cannot edit their profiles
 
@Ferrybig Yes, probably.
 
6:10 PM
@Ferrybig flag one of your own posts and link to that profile, explain that the offensive wording has to go
 
@Ferrybig the user is suspended "to cool down" now.
 
@WaiHaLee He was already when I noticed the rude statement
 
did you already flag?
 
@kayess and @Tushar - many thanks! It's strange having the additional permissions! :p
 
@rene yes
 
6:20 PM
OK
 
Huh? It wasn't migrated.
 
It was custom closed. It needs to get flagged
 
Is this Q legit? stackoverflow.com/q/29416290/2227743 I would CV as tool request, and the answers they got would confirm that, but I don't know enough about this to be sure ("Automation testing of google chrome extension").
 
@NathanOliver Weird, I did vote for it to go to Meta
 
me too ^
 
6:27 PM
GIFs CommitStrip!
 
we have a mole guys!
 
@Kyll Enough people voted for the custom close reason
 
@NathanOliver Oh.
Anyone already flagged? If not I'll do it
 
@EricD. I would say too broad
I did not.
 
Flagged for migration
 
6:29 PM
Flagster
@Drew closed
 
@NathanOliver It's true that their "My question is" is very broad. I was more focused on their mention of which tools they already used. Makes sense. Thanks.
 
6:48 PM
Is that on-topic? stackoverflow.com/q/35489863/1743880 Asking how to uninstall a tool but doesn't say how it was installed and was exactly is wrong... Okay I guess I'm answering myself.
 
I'm not sure.
 
@Tunaki normally it'd be off-topic; superuser, but since it's specifically about a programming tool, I think that makes it OK, technically
 
@cricket_007 Is it really? Do we need to know what polyline is if that is not the issue?
 
@Closey alive
We live in a time without bots
how tragic
 
afaik the bots are still in testing
 
6:57 PM
I haven't cut any corners yet. I will go through the remaining 17 questions and close deal with them.
 
@NathanOliver Well, the List object was not typed, so that could be the issue. Whatever polyline is, it needs the proper implementation of equals() and the poster should be comparing against that polyline object's class instead of strings and lists
 
!!/alive
 
@PraveenKumar Watching this endless list of new questions never gets boring
 
Fuff.... Can't live without SD.
 
anyone knows why this was tagged java, css AND python? stackoverflow.com/questions/35453846/…
i can't detect java there
 
7:11 PM
uh, no idea
 
OP was dancing the java while posting the question.
 
java's one hell of a drug
 
i will remove and , yes?
 
@user1803551 don't bother, it's closed now
 
Question is closed. That won't make it back on-topic.
 
7:13 PM
@TylerH ok
 
Though if you ever find those and can make the edits before it gets closed, go ahead and do it
It's just that editing a question after it's closed should be exclusively to make it open-worthy
because editing an [on hold] question puts it in the reopen queue
 
noted
 
I saw a python post few days ago that was tagged java and android. I was confused
 
generally it means the OP is also interested in a Java answer
 
Maybe, but the code was written in Python and asked nothing about Java
 
7:19 PM
Ah, just read:
> Posts by users that link to their own blog or github repo are always good for fierce debate, also among the seasoned spam fighters in earlier mentioned room.
 
where?
 
JAL
7:42 PM
I don't think we should be building features around the many ways members of the JavaScript room get annoyed by each other.... — rene 40 secs ago
burn rene, burn
 
disco inferno
 
4 questions and a burninate-request: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/317173/1743880
 
@cricket_007 I would up-vote you, but for the roomba its better that I don't : )
 
@PetterFriberg - I agree :D
 
When I want to explain something to a user and it probable takes a bit so I want to take him into chat, but he's 1 rep short to 20rep, what should I do?
Should I tell him to edit one question to get 2 rep points?
 
7:53 PM
@Rizier123 nah, just upvote his question
 
If you talk long enough in comments, there'll be the "move to chat" and every user can go there (I think)
 
I'm not sure about that :)
@TylerH Even though it's a dupe: http://stackoverflow.com/q/35490761/3933332 ?
 
You can try, we'll have a definite answer :). But I recall bringing to chat 1 rep user on Maven.
 
I think so, I have had 1 rep users in chat after long comment thread try...
 
@Rizier123 Problem solved
 
7:56 PM
So I should write some garbage comments until that pops up, click it, and delete the comments ;)
 
@Rizier123 Pretty much.
 
I upvoted one of his other questions from the past
 
No.... we wanted to test the feature....
 
You guys both seem pretty sure it works...
 
Yeah I'm pretty sure... I will search some... and see
 
7:58 PM
Got him into chat; Problem solved
 
\o/
 
\o/
but then again i can't find nothing... so I'm not so sure anymore...
 
I have found an answer which has 11 upvotes and is accepted, And all he has got in his answer is a link which is broken.
What should we do ?
 
8:09 PM
@TheLittleNaruto leave a comment?
 
:28839504 remove edited
 
@rene Somebody left a comment on Feb 12, the guy didn't notice it yet
 
@TheLittleNaruto i have an answer here that explains the process
 
@TheLittleNaruto access the link using the wayback machine
and try to salvage a current URL or some of the contents
 
@TylerH wayback machine ? Heard first time!
 
8:12 PM
@TheLittleNaruto archive.org/web
crawls the public web and archives websites at random points in time
just paste in a URL and it will pop up a calendar listing of all its previous archivals of that site
you may have to go back quite some time to find a working version at times, though
 
@TylerH Thanks for that link. :)
 
However it says "You are not authorised to download this attachment."
 
pick a different date
 
So I think in anyway that answer should be deleted
Yeah It tried
 
JAL
8:17 PM
@TylerH dat stylesheet
 
I mean I tried picking every dates
 
JAL
Hey @TylerH grats on 8k!
 
So guys this is the answer I was talking about: stackoverflow.com/a/9494461/1944896
 
@JAL thanks
been hovering at 7.8 ~ 7.9 for some time
 
JAL
I'm almost there myself, been catching up
 
8:19 PM
I will give you a "good" question dump :P
 
@TheLittleNaruto I need you need to have an account on the forum
 
@JAL we have the same number of badges at the moment :-)
 
Does someone here has an account on anddev.org?
 
JAL
@TylerH woot
 
@Tunaki I will momentarily
 
8:22 PM
Now I either can explain my answer in a few minutes or I will starve to death until I explained it.
But lucky me I got it before I died: http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/103893
 
@Rizier123 wut
lol @Tunaki "Unable to deliver file."
 
@Tunaki Alright
 
just trash the answer, it's not salvageable
 
@Rizier123 Explaning recursion, nice
 
JAL
So custom mod flag for that? Or what
 
8:25 PM
@TylerH meh
 
@Tunaki I got stuck stuck stuck stuck stuck stuck while explaining it though ;)
 
The file was probably deleted by now.
Answer is unsalvagable I'm afraid yeah...
 
sd edited- remove
 
We will let you know soon @Tunaki
 
Hm? About?
 
8:28 PM
sd remove- edited
 
You had plenty of time there :)
 
@Tunaki Obviously you'll know that soon
 
Idli Dosa Vada Sambar
 
JAL
@PraveenKumar Already posted by Alexander above you
 
@JAL What happened? Why are you saying so? :P What did I do? :P
 
8:30 PM
@JAL The answered was last active 18 March of this year apparently 2014. Maybe leaving another comment is a better idea. Ditch the answer.
As a side-note, I don't know how it could March of this year since we're in February (I think). Let me get a coffee, be right back.
 
JAL
@Tunaki Last seen 15 hours ago
 
anddev.org doesn't exactly fire off a quick confirmation email very fast. So, in my book, unless that answer way up there had all the code in it, not of much use
 
I think it's better to cast that answer deleted.
 
JAL
Wait, a user isn't allowed to have two accounts right? Even if one is used for work and one is used as a personal account. This user states in their profile that they have an alternate account here
 
They can. But they can't use both of their account to vote their answers (well they can but then they'll be banned).
 
8:39 PM
@DavidArenburg is looking pretty clean back to cv2 level
 
@JAL As long as there is no shenanigans going on it is okay.
 
JAL
fair
thanks
 
So I custom flagged that answer.
 
@DavidArenburg except for 1 .. 2
 
@JAL I have already been accused yesterday: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/317070/… you're late ...
 
JAL
8:42 PM
@rene Damn, I would have jumped on the bandwagon sooner
 
Yeah, I did expect you. A bit disappointing you weren't there ;)
 
JAL
I already got in trouble for that once. The next time I create a second account I will be extremely careful and explicit about its actions :)
 
rule of thumb: your x number of accounts should never interact with each other(excludes talking in chat).
 
rule of thumb: your x number of accounts should never interact with each other(excludes talking in chat).
sorry. Meant to post that from this keyboard.
 
JAL
lol
 
8:47 PM
lol
@Drew I saw your message with the new guy. Do you know if he is going to start flagging things?
 
Honestly I think he was very bewildered. Hopefully he learns the system and how to gain rep.
 
@Drew OK.
@EricD. Can you not do something like c-- or c = c - 1 or c -= 1?
 
JAL
not in swift
 
Wow.
 
@NathanOliver No, Swift is strongly typed.
 
8:56 PM
that is a bummer. I like a type system but that is a little overbearing IMHO
 
JAL
You could extend Character and implement unitary operators, but that's not supported out of the box
 
It's a feature. :) It's easy to make convenience inits or extensions anyway - it's just not in the stdlib.
 
JAL
What's cool is if you try it, the complier will suggest overloads for --:
var c = Character("a")
c--
Playground execution failed: /var/folders/25/vt1nvp2n3rq_25nch6d0rkvw8qg86q/T/./lldb/54700/playground1329.swift:13:1: error: unary operator '--' cannot be applied to an operand of type '@lvalue Character'
c--;
^
/var/folders/25/vt1nvp2n3rq_25nch6d0rkvw8qg86q/T/./lldb/54700/playground1329.swift:13:1: note: overloads for '--' exist with these partially matching parameter lists: (inout UInt8), (inout Int8), (inout UInt16), (inout Int16), (inout UInt32), (inout Int32), (inout UInt64), (inout Int64), (inout UInt), (inout Int), (inout Float), (inout Double), (inout Float80), (inout CGFloat), (ino
 
thats cool
 
JAL
but otherwise useless
lol
 
8:59 PM
:)
 
Cool, but otherwise useless. Just like Donald Trump.
 
@gunr2171 You just contradicted yourself. He is useful as the butt of many jokes ;)
 
ah, that's right
 
Does anyone here happen to be a vba wiz
 
I am a little fluent. Far from a wiz
 
9:08 PM
I have quite an experience, but would not call myself wiz either
 
I have a bunch of strings, and they all start with a letter or letters, then a couple of zeros (variable amount), and then a number, and I'm trying to cut off the starting letter(s) and the starting 0s
The only consistency is that the strings are always 12 characters long
 
word / excel ? Where are these gems housed ?
 
for ex: WB0000012345, W00001234567, L00091234543
in Excel
They're housed in a sql server database
 
could use transact sql but vba is naturally a ton stronger
 
I found plenty of stuff online already for cutting off leading zeros, leading specific characters, etc. but none quite as "open-ended" as to be useful for me
 
9:11 PM
 
yeah I could do that Ty
 
if excel vba let me do ranges like [A-Z] that'd be perfect for a start
I'll check that link out, thanks
 
what about regex?
 
JAL
Found a potential workaround:

var scalar = UnicodeScalar("8")
let char = Character(UnicodeScalar(scalar.value-1)) // "7"
 
Find 1st 0, take the remainder of the string from there and convert it to a suitable numeric type
 
9:13 PM
yep. that'll ditch the leading
 
@gunr2171 does VBA support regex?
@Shadow that works assuming it finds 1st 0 from the right
I'm not very familiar with VBA or its offerings yet
 
work from the left. Find first 0.
 
Yes, you can use regex with vba, if you have the appropriate dll
 
hmm, this macro is gonna be run from various end users machines, I don't think I can rely on them having extra .dlls installed
 
@JAL Nice trick.
 
9:14 PM
@TylerH try this
half ninja'd
 
Use instr() function
 
JAL
@EricD. Think it can be done more cleanly? This is pretty messy: stackoverflow.com/a/35492508/2415822
 
oh, heh, I was wondering why I couldn't find references window
I was looking in the menu for SQL Server Management Studio and not Excel
 
well, you can add dlls to SSMS
so you can run vb.net / c# code from sql
which is funny, because that's the only real way to add regex to sql
 
Let's not send me down that extra rabbit hole at 4:17PM X-D
 
9:17 PM
Later guys
 
see ya
 
cya nathan
 
JAL
night Nathan
 
bye nathan
 
@JAL I like your short version because "nice trick", otherwise not sure if such a good way to do it - personal preference, I like safe universal extensions or inits. Something like LeoDabus but more generic. But actually I try to avoid such nested/chained conversions and try to improve the source of the issue.
 
9:21 PM
Actually, you do not even need vba for that, you can do it with find(), mid(), and value() functions
directly from excel
 
@gunr2171 goodness gracious that answer is deep
 
@TylerH yeah, you can take that as far as you want. I only skimmed it
 
@Shadow I'm already writing a macro so I might as well put it in as a vba function
 
@Shadow I linked to a SO question with that earlier yeah (stackoverflow.com/a/18617720/1743880)
 
JAL
@EricD. Yeah I'm struggling with that, I'm not sure how UnicodeScalar("8") works but not with a char or string literal
 
9:45 PM
@Tunaki I like to close this stackoverflow.com/questions/35422963/…, so I pasted a possible duplicate in comment, could not find another good close reason (since lack minimal understanding does not exists anymore), what do you think?
 
@PetterFriberg went as unclear (this dupe is good when OP doesn't know how to split but apparently, this OP does since they're already using split)
 
stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/11321352 another audit failed. Shouldn't it be closed and deleted as "we have 2016 now and we don't use 1990s solutions like href="javascript:" (sic) or onclick="""?
 
@Gothdo You voted to close as what?
 
@Tunaki Using but it seems to me that he does not understand how it works, but ok...
 
@Tunaki no repro
 
9:49 PM
@Gothdo I think questions in the LQPRQ are always reviews.
 
^ true dat.
 
JAL
I stopped reviewing because of these stupid audits. I have my 8 Steward badges and I'm done
 
@WaiHaLee Did you mean "audits"?
 
@Gothdo that was an audit. :P
 
which I failed, nice.
 
JAL
9:56 PM
Should this question be closed because it can only be answered by an Apple employee? I've done my best to answer, but ultimately it's a bug/error with the documentation.
It has to do with the the deprecation of an SDK constant that is incorrectly documented.
 
Then that seems like a good answer until an apple employee come by...
 
JAL
Works for me, just wanted to get another set of eyes on it
 
oh
brilliant
Formatting a cell as a number in Excel already removes leading zeros
so I can just use a regex to remove any leading letters and it will take care of the zeros for me
time for home
 
@JAL I think its better to rollback to revision 1 of this question stackoverflow.com/questions/35439810/… (he is including your answer in question)
 
JAL
@PetterFriberg Hmm ok, thanks
should we though. Shouldn't the question just be closed as a typo?
 
10:11 PM
well maybe but better to rollback before... then close .... so it remains nice no?
 
JAL
ok sounds good
 
pass him a comment as well why the roll back....
 
JAL
Hey, I rolled back your question to revision one, since "answers do not belong in questions". If you have any questions, feel free to ping me in the SOCVR chatroom. Thanks. — JAL 6 secs ago
 
I saw thumbs up and now I can freely vote on it...
 
JAL
great
 
10:16 PM
@TylerH excel picture ... code
Basically just the first 13 lines of code above. The rest is up to you
 
I wonder if he can work out where to click...
 
should I free circle it
 
Definitely
 
10:30 PM
@cricket_007 lets hope that Tuna is awake : )
 
@TylerH excel picture ... code
 
@cricket_007 I've stopped hammering those Android NPE.
It's not effective.
 
@Tunaki - I at least get the correct dup for findViewById
instead of the default "what is a NPE"
 
Ah, Oh. Hammered. Pointless, was at 4 but it's a good feeling nonetheless.
 
I have 0 CV and as usual its Drew's fault.... well the bright side is that I can go to bed, thanks Drew... cya all
 
10:34 PM
@A.DiMatteo Funny, I spend some time looking at help:describe also :D
Cya o/
 
JAL
night @PetterFriberg
 
I don't recall really do much. Night Petter
 
i want to say no
 
YES
 
but it's bad no matter what
waaaa, nvm, i'll close
 
10:43 PM
It is bad. But sometimes you have to.
 
i assumed you could answer why it's bad and explain alternatives. if none of them are suitable then point out that it's a last resort. i wouldn't think that answer is opinion based
 
@RomanLuštrik @DavidArenburg batch9 count=46 cv2,3 is in the beehive
 
There's a situation where it happens frequently actually. When I find myself preparing datasets for unit tests, you can define providers with TestNG and you actually return an array of objects like [param1, param2, expectedResult].
And then the test simply gets all the params, invokes the method to test and assert that the result is equal to the expected one. TestNG handles the loop.
And in that situation, it isn't bad at all. Quite powerful actually.
 
@Tunaki Java question: Can you do pure Duck Typing? Like, define a method (formally or not) as being capable of taking any object with a field k of type T?
 
through generics it's possible
kinda
 
10:53 PM
@Kyll Sorta through generic yeah: Look at that box class docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/generics/types.html
 
"kinda sorta" is always a good answer
 
lol
 
upvote pls ^^
 
@Tunaki what is your CV situation
 
Yeaaaah I'm going with "no, but you can simulate with strong-typed witchcraft"
 
10:56 PM
@Kyll pretty much
@Drew my 27 buddies are currently having a drink. Shall I call them in?
 
But... Given a method m, is there any possible way for it to work for any kind of object with a field k of type T? Say I'd like a method which would work with any object with a field foo of type Number. Is such a method possible?
 
@Tunaki well, then it is a situation where it isn't bad. i still think it was possible to give a good answer there (Sorta kinda)
 
I am sifting. Maybe give em the night off.
 
@Kyll Yep. Withcraft also.
 
@Tunaki Tell me \o/
 
10:58 PM
you can have public <T extends Number> void foo(T number)
And the parameter given will have to be of a class compatible with Number, like Integer.
 

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